tobapopalos said:If you would come back for a new route but not for 500 new players then there is nothing I can say to that. Most of the problems in the game stem from having not enough players, not from a lack of aliens.
I'm not going to necro all the good suggestions because if we did that we'd be in exactly the same situation as we were. The best way to do it would be to put all the good suggestions in one thread with links to original posts rather than necroing threads, but we already did that and it didn't stop DA.
Toby said:Most of the problems in the game stem from having not enough players, not from a lack of aliens.
When a new person does on the rare occasion post an idea, one or all of the 10 people who dominate the forums first response is with a negative adjective such as stupid/retarded/lame/gay, after that it doesn't matter to the poster what constructive criticism you offer.
When a new person does on the rare occasion post an idea, one or all of the 10 people who dominate the forums first response is with a negative adjective such as stupid/retarded/lame/gay, after that it doesn't matter to the poster what constructive criticism you offer.
In all fairness, many new players don't receive constructive criticism particularly well, and so older players don't feel a need to be pleasant.
Many new ideas have been said before, and a simple search would have found the previous threads.
Many new ideas are, in fact, stupid. Good ones will be recognized as such, and bad ones will be denigrated for the gob spewing ***** they are. Ideas are rejected sometimes in what might seem to be a hasty manner by an "old timer" but that is because it's probably the 5th or 6th time this has been presented as a BRAND NEW IDEA and they are bored of it, and so their manner has become more curt, and more (as some would see it) rude. Nonsense, just impatience.
I resent the implication that we aren't sensible (there are some people who are driveling idiots, and they are well able to identify themselves); but there are many of us who are intelligent, rational, reasonable and logical people. We may not be nice, but we aren't irrational. (At least, not anymore than anyone else who is in a crap job with too much spare time )
anyone ever notice that it's always the same 10 or so people who post on these forums? When at least every round there are a few new people who never post.
anyone ever notice that it's always the same 10 or so people who post on these forums? When at least every round there are a few new people who never post.
i think that posting on forums isn't for everyone actually. i don't mean people aren't capable by saying this. it's just... not their thing! on any forum sites, there are always 'regular' people who post a lot. and since they post a lot, they stand out in view. but that doesn't mean they had/have the intention of dominating the forums. they just like to tell their opinions by posting. posting on forums is a habit that isn't easy at first. plus, lots of people just prefer reading what others say and observing the debate/argument rather than getting involved in it. tilllllllllllllllll they strongly agree/disagree about something and suddenly want to voice out what they think! i don't think any one on this forum (or any forums sites) is actually discouraging newcomers to voice their opinions. it's really about the 'habit' thing (or lazy to create a forum account :X), imo.
yeah, also some people maybe are scared that what they say would get criticized. but that is in their mind, they have to first win it over themselves to have enough courage to post. yes, getting flamed on the forums is a 'usual' thing. that's why people probably hesitate. but you know, it's not a kindergarten here or any forum sites. if you can't say anything without mum and dad to protect you, then, you probably shouldn't say anything and just read. in real life too, you can't expect to be always praised. you have to accept some criticism about yourself. people have different opinions about one subject and i find it interesting to see all those different ways of thinking!
i think making the forums a happy merry land where everyone greets you in smile, hugs and kisses you for whatever you say is delusional, far from reality. and people should face the reality. that's how i think. :S
but anyway, lots of people prefer being 'anonymous' online and don't care enough to voice their opinions. so, i don't think the current posters are influencing any ways for new people to post.
When a new person does on the rare occasion post an idea, one or all of the 10 people who dominate the forums first response is with a negative adjective such as stupid/retarded/lame/gay, after that it doesn't matter to the poster what constructive criticism you offer.
In all fairness, many new players don't receive constructive criticism particularly well, and so older players don't feel a need to be pleasant.
Many new ideas have been said before, and a simple search would have found the previous threads.
Many new ideas are, in fact, stupid. Good ones will be recognized as such, and bad ones will be denigrated for the gob spewing ***** they are. Ideas are rejected sometimes in what might seem to be a hasty manner by an "old timer" but that is because it's probably the 5th or 6th time this has been presented as a BRAND NEW IDEA and they are bored of it, and so their manner has become more curt, and more (as some would see it) rude. Nonsense, just impatience.
I resent the implication that we aren't sensible (there are some people who are driveling idiots, and they are well able to identify themselves); but there are many of us who are intelligent, rational, reasonable and logical people. We may not be nice, but we aren't irrational. (At least, not anymore than anyone else who is in a crap job with too much spare time )
Aristotle said:It is the mark of an educated mine to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
anyone ever notice that it's always the same 10 or so people who post on these forums? When at least every round there are a few new people who never post.
i think that posting on forums isn't for everyone actually. i don't mean people aren't capable by saying this. it's just... not their thing! on any forum sites, there are always 'regular' people who post a lot. and since they post a lot, they stand out in view. but that doesn't mean they had/have the intention of dominating the forums. they just like to tell their opinions by posting. posting on forums is a habit that isn't easy at first. plus, lots of people just prefer reading what others say and observing the debate/argument rather than getting involved in it. tilllllllllllllllll they strongly agree/disagree about something and suddenly want to voice out what they think! i don't think any one on this forum (or any forums sites) is actually discouraging newcomers to voice their opinions. it's really about the 'habit' thing (or lazy to create a forum account :X), imo.
yeah, also some people maybe are scared that what they say would get criticized. but that is in their mind, they have to first win it over themselves to have enough courage to post. yes, getting flamed on the forums is a 'usual' thing. that's why people probably hesitate. but you know, it's not a kindergarten here or any forum sites. if you can't say anything without mum and dad to protect you, then, you probably shouldn't say anything and just read. in real life too, you can't expect to be always praised. you have to accept some criticism about yourself. people have different opinions about one subject and i find it interesting to see all those different ways of thinking!
i think making the forums a happy merry land where everyone greets you in smile, hugs and kisses you for whatever you say is delusional, far from reality. and people should face the reality. that's how i think. :S
but anyway, lots of people prefer being 'anonymous' online and don't care enough to voice their opinions. so, i don't think the current posters are influencing any ways for new people to post.
Secondly, I think new players are often given plenty of leeway when it comes to both posting on forums and asking questions on IRC. I'll always try and be nice to a name I don't recognise on forums/IRC purely because we're in desperate need of new players and we can't just drive them away because they don't know everything yet. And I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same way...except Dimitar. He's a dick
anyone ever notice that it's always the same 10 or so people who post on these forums? When at least every round there are a few new people who never post.
i think that posting on forums isn't for everyone actually. i don't mean people aren't capable by saying this. it's just... not their thing! on any forum sites, there are always 'regular' people who post a lot. and since they post a lot, they stand out in view. but that doesn't mean they had/have the intention of dominating the forums. they just like to tell their opinions by posting. posting on forums is a habit that isn't easy at first. plus, lots of people just prefer reading what others say and observing the debate/argument rather than getting involved in it. tilllllllllllllllll they strongly agree/disagree about something and suddenly want to voice out what they think! i don't think any one on this forum (or any forums sites) is actually discouraging newcomers to voice their opinions. it's really about the 'habit' thing (or lazy to create a forum account :X), imo.
yeah, also some people maybe are scared that what they say would get criticized. but that is in their mind, they have to first win it over themselves to have enough courage to post. yes, getting flamed on the forums is a 'usual' thing. that's why people probably hesitate. but you know, it's not a kindergarten here or any forum sites. if you can't say anything without mum and dad to protect you, then, you probably shouldn't say anything and just read. in real life too, you can't expect to be always praised. you have to accept some criticism about yourself. people have different opinions about one subject and i find it interesting to see all those different ways of thinking!
i think making the forums a happy merry land where everyone greets you in smile, hugs and kisses you for whatever you say is delusional, far from reality. and people should face the reality. that's how i think. :S
but anyway, lots of people prefer being 'anonymous' online and don't care enough to voice their opinions. so, i don't think the current posters are influencing any ways for new people to post.
DA, you are so seeing the world through rose tinted spectacles. You are a delusional optimist, and while it's nice to want to have everyone "play nice" it's a futile hope, and you could probably direct your energies to something more productive.
You are doing more damage being cuddly and coddling them DA, then I am doing by being harsh, but honest. Honesty is good, delusions are bad.
I'm very well aware that everyone needs to be open to some criticism. My desire is for everyone to be treated with a baseline of respect, not for everyone to be praised for even very silly suggestions. That isn't what I'm asking for at all.in real life too, you can't expect to be always praised. you have to accept some criticism about yourself.