Round 37 - Contactability Debate

Round 37 - Contactability Debate

  • [Contactable] Because I am so inactive

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  • [Contactable] I was asked for it, I'm new and thought it was needed

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  • [Inactive] Win?! I'm still learning!

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Dax

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[Contactable] I only give my number just in case of incoming

I did sort of see that this could be seen in the SQ fashion, but my implication is more 'one for all'.
 

Twigley

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Just because it's you Zaheen, I voted for you <3 And I'll chip in my words of debatable wisdom.
I've done most of these roles in top alliances.

I've said for many rounds there is a difference between activity and perceived activity.

You can be "online" all day (and even compete for rank 1) but only look at bush for in total 1-2 hours a day which is far more effective than someone who sits down for 7-8 hours looking at the screen. This game does NOT require you to be looking at a screen for hours upon hours a day. If you have a smart phone, hell you dont even need to be indoors to play. I know Quicksilver plays mostly on his phone while he is out flexing his imba muscles at chickszz with dicks. And if you're around a pc all day, all it takes is a few clicks to send an attack or defence then you have an hour min untill you need to spend a few more clicks doing whatever.

And just because people are contactable and have these phones with internet access (Which by the way i can't beleive Bushtarion never capitalised on as it's very much suited to smart phone / facebook kinda thing), does not make them invincible. Rush them enough and find out where their weak spots are and i guarentee you that you will eventually kill them, over and over again.
 

Zaheen

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CFalcon said:
Maybe you don't want a challenge, or maybe alliance ranks 5-15 are already challenging enough for you
I never intended to ignore anybody, maybe I was a little unclear in my post aimed at you missing my point, but it's because I didn't want to start being quoted on my replies just yet, because that will lead to, well all this, now I'm busy wasting my time replying to explain myself rather than debating the actual issue. So yeah, why must you keep assuming I sit around those alliances OR, only ever attack those alliances. I usually NEVER attack any alliance rank 5 or below, not unless it's personal.

CFalcon said:
Oh, btw, *you* try organising defence against a 40-man wave at 4am while you're still half asleep, and then try telling me it's easier than dealing with random incomings at rank 200.
What makes you think I'm unable to do that? Sometimes I've just been awake at that time anyway? Only difference is I didn't get woken up in my sleep to come online. I'm not comparing the two things in my original post, and because I'm more of a solo player I don't really see 40 incomings at once that often. With that said, I have seen it before, and I just generally defend the offliners knowing that anybody online will be able to help (in turn saving themselves too).

CFalcon said:
And you never ever attack anyone who isn't as active as you? You never run from incoming? You never attack people who are offline? Are you a hypocrite or are you not?
Of course I attack people who aren't as active as me? But that doesn't mean I attack people ONLY because they are inactive? I have no way of knowing how active somebody else is, so that is a little far fetched to assume/say that. Never run from incoming? If I'm not going to fire...or if I can save a few Gardeners by moving them out then yeah, I'd save those troops - but usually I fight everything that comes my way. I have no way of knowing if someone is offline/online, so I can't answer that. No, I don't think I'm being hypocritical in the slightest.

CFalcon said:
Are you still saying that it's not fair to attack players who don't have the same advantages of time and knowledge that you do? In which case; dream on! Oh, and also; hypocrite.
No, what I am saying is ~80% of the player base don't go around calling each other up everytime they get incoming, making them at a big disadvantage if they are offline? Even when you are ABOVE them in rank/score and troops, you'll still use this cheap tactic to scorequeen even further.

CFalcon said:
If you ever attack or defend against someone who doesn't have the same advantages of you, are you a hypocrite Zaheen? And are we all to be expected to play at the level of the least active and intelligent player?
But you see, I never kill/wipe out a new player, I try and disable all their troops / advise them to recall? I don't pick on the little guy to say the least, not unless they've sent me cuss words in a game mail (which makes it personal).

CFalcon said:
I take it you don't drink, smoke, drive, play sports or go out to socialise? All of those things can harm your body Zaheen! Be careful out there!
You're quite right here, I don't drink or smoke.

I do however drive, don't really socialise much as my friends all live in other towns, have jobs and it's quite hard to find times to meet up with them, but I still do when we both are free. None of this harms my body CF, but whatever lets not go off-topic here.

CFalcon said:
I address these points in my first post. The post which, intriguingly, you dismissed as "missing the point". Care to explain how this misses the point? Or perhaps now you actually read it instead of knee-jerk flaming a post that doesn't agree with you, you see that it's actually very on topic?
I think I have addressed it in my opening line, if you really want me to expand on that as well, then just reply one last time so I know you need a better one.

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Twigley said:
Rush them enough and find out where their weak spots are and i guarentee you that you will eventually kill them, over and over again.
Some players simply don't have enough time to sit on their PC all day doing this, when they know the person is just going to be called/text and run when you finally get there. It's not skilful on their part, and it's really frustrating and annoying on the person sending.

If they are genuinely online then it's completely fine I guess (annoying still, but at least they were genuinely online - and it's not somebody else dictating for them), but if they are called up from being offline/sleeping, I really think that this ruins everything. There is no way of knowing if they are online or not, but when I send at somebody knowing damn certain they are offline, only to find they magically appear online at ATT For 3, I just think what a loser.

Alcibiades said:
Mobile phones/smart phones may be killing the game, but you can't ask people to turn them off and reasonably expect to be obeyed. Then whoever does do this will simply be raped silly by the alliance that doesn't. This technology is here to stay and the game has to adapt or go under. We may have reached a critical mass where it's now impossible to modify the game to suit the current world in which we live. That would be tragic but everything has an expiration date. Adapt or die.
I really liked this sentance of yours, yes technology is here to stay Alci. But that doesn't mean just because you get into a fight with somebody in high school, you're going to go and buy some explosives and put them around their house, are you?

Some people have morals, ways of dealing with such arguments fights (some people do it maturely with words, some people resort to fighting - and the real *****es of the world resort to lies/backstabbing and unfair "tactics" you call it), just trying to validate my point.

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I am appreciating all the time taken to read my essay, and the feedback given on it.
 
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Dax

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Twigley said:
Rush them enough and find out where their weak spots are and i guarentee you that you will eventually kill them, over and over again.

Some players simply don't have enough time to sit on their PC all day doing this, when they know the person is just going to be called/text and run when you finally get there. It's not skilful on their part, and it's really frustrating and annoying on the person sending.

I've spent up to nearly two weeks rushing individual targets, and 10 days of that was working out how to get past the defence, and I dedicated my last free day before round end to rolling stealth to pass it.
Sometimes that's needed, and I believe a good player, is persistent and dedicated. The goalposts move with technology Zaheen - Move with them, or move on.
 

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I post my number incase my alliance needs defense, and last round was my first round ever being contactable by phone. In r28, I had a number, but if you called me at work, I wasn't going to be able to get on anyway so it was pointless.. :p

Posting my number did not make me a SQ, infact, I don't think anyone could truly call me one based on my actions. And no one could say I was really playing to win, since I chose to lead a bunch of newbie players, even though I had a couple of alliance offers pre-round that I knew would be good.

With that being said, I posted my number to be a team player, By being able to defend at anytime. It was rare that I had to be pranked to send out, 90% of the time, I was already online, and I would usually last-tick myself to save land, despite it being easier to go attack for the few hundred acres I would have lost anyway. I also sent defense on "suicide" missions, where I stopped land, but at a cost far higher than the land was worth....

but my phone gave me an edge, I was able to be online anytime, anywhere, send defense, BS with allymates (some of whom I'd do just about anything for, and I'm sure would do the same for me) and organize attacks.

Smart phones are not ruining the game.. You want to know what ruins the game? People attacking newbies just because they are newbies..

Lethals rushes just because you want to kill them (no alliance war, no bounty to speak of)

Sending multiple people one 1 target on the same-tick, just so their alliance can't defend. (and if your not contactable, you get zeroed too, and lose potentially a weeks worth of troops, or more)

Backstabbing your alliance

Spying on alliances (not as much, but it still has a detrimental effect on newer players)

Also, being abusive to a newer member because they did something wrong (sent defense wrong tick, got killed by SAS, ect..) or sending abusive mails because they are attacking you randomly


IF you can make an attacker, or your target laugh, they will be much more willing to take an attack in the future, than if your abusive to them.. :p It can make a huge difference.
 

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now I'm busy wasting my time replying to explain myself rather than debating the actual issue.

I'm not sure you understand what a debate is. It's when people of differing opinions discuss the pros and cons of their various positions? A debate is not "let's all agree with Zaheen".

Of course I attack people who aren't as active as me?

And yet in your first post you have a go at people who use phones for attacking people less active than them.

No, I don't think I'm being hypocritical in the slightest.

k.

CFalcon said:
Are you still saying that it's not fair to attack players who don't have the same advantages of time and knowledge that you do? In which case; dream on! Oh, and also; hypocrite.
No, what I am saying is ~80% of the player base don't go around calling each other up everytime they get incoming, making them at a big disadvantage if they are offline?

Logic fail. It's hard to argue with stupid on this scale.

But you see, I never kill/wipe out a new player

I don't believe you.

CFalcon said:
I take it you don't drink, smoke, drive, play sports or go out to socialise? All of those things can harm your body Zaheen! Be careful out there!
You're quite right here, I don't drink or smoke.

I do however drive, don't really socialise much as my friends all live in other towns, have jobs and it's quite hard to find times to meet up with them, but I still do when we both are free. None of this harms my body CF, but whatever lets not go off-topic here.

Point sailed over your head didn't it? I was trying to point out that sometimes fun risks your health a little, and that usually people are fine making that choice. In your first post you were mocking people putting their health at risk for a leisure pursuit. Do you mock rock-climbers too?



Oh, and I'm more than aware that you're trolling me. But this is sport for me, so do continue ;)
 
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Coruba

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Hi All

As a now relatively newbie.......I don't really care re the phones. I certainly don't have the time to be a top player but I have however managed to reach the top 50......very exciting at the time.....till as usual one gets hit. It is the nature of the game......however one cannot expect the top 20 players not to play in the same alliance. In saying that though the game I agree is in the hands of that top 20 or however many. Unless they share their skills with others then in the end they lose themselves as there will be no competition for them to beat anyways.

And lastly please remember every game no matter how interesting will slowly lose its player base....it is natural. On the bright side looking at how long this game has been going for it has done extremely well which in my eyes is a credit to Azzer for the hours and passion he has for it.

Thanks Azzer.....I appreciate you :)

Cheers

Coruba (Bushwackers Gumboot up your Jacksie)
 

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When I had a job that required me to sit in front of a pc all day I started playing this game, I enjoyed the banter and had some fun. I remember Marksy told me not to take it too seriously and that some people shared mobile numbers to get woken up during the night, I laughed at how sad they must be and that no way I would ever let some silly game get to me like that.

I spent the next couple of years getting woken up by texts/pranks due to incomming! After a while you realise that it's just not worth it.

The job I do now means I cant get onto Bush during the working day so I just play with an inactive solo account, but tbh I dont even play, I just log on and buy more harvies for when I get killed. I think this is due to me being solo, I dont really have anything to play for, but I cant really join an ally due to not being able to commit too much time to them, this renders the whole game pointless tbh.

Wasnt going to bother this round, but unfortunately I've been doing this too long now and force of habit has made me create another id, "well whats the harm" I tell myself lol.
 

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Well for my opinion on the subject and coming from one who played completely inactive except for IRC for all rounds until half way through the past round, i found myself being completely addicted and being online constantly. After getting a phone i was able to lower my activity by quite a bit and just coming around whenever i was needed. I "do" have a quite nice social life, so as for being "contactable" it just made things so much easier.

As CF stated, I play for the challenge (as i would play any game for). Whats the point of playing a game if its not challenging? Now of course I'm an extremely competitive person and i love to win, but who doesn't? Does anyone really like to loose? I'm sure that Bushtarion isn't the only game anyone here plays, but i own the new starcraft and i hate loosing matches. I'm sure thats usually how it works for any person and with any game. Now win or loose I have fun playing anything but winning is always a bonus and loosing always sucks. Bushtarion definitely holds a diferent mind set when it comes to who wins and who looses, but the fact is that from what I've seen in the few rounds I've been around is that the most active and most contactable people will always hold the top spots in the rankings.
Iamsmart is a perfect example of that. I dont think i could count how many times I or a fellow teammate tried to kill him last round and because of how active and contactable he was made us fail every time, which resulted in his top 20 finish with him in the 2nd rank ally (although he had the 8th ranked troop score).

For the rounds to come i will probably still give out my contact information mainly because it is just more convenient for myself. I'd rather have someone shoot me a text saying "Hey defend id ##" then having to sit around my computer all day.

Its a game, do what you can do to make it fun. No one likes to throw away weeks of hard work getting a decent amount of troops, so if a text/prank is what it takes to save them, then so be it.
 

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When I had a job that required me to sit in front of a pc all day I started playing this game, I enjoyed the banter and had some fun. I remember Marksy told me not to take it too seriously and that some people shared mobile numbers to get woken up during the night, I laughed at how sad they must be and that no way I would ever let some silly game get to me like that.

I spent the next couple of years getting woken up by texts/pranks due to incomming! After a while you realise that it's just not worth it.

The job I do now means I cant get onto Bush during the working day so I just play with an inactive solo account, but tbh I dont even play, I just log on and buy more harvies for when I get killed. I think this is due to me being solo, I dont really have anything to play for, but I cant really join an ally due to not being able to commit too much time to them, this renders the whole game pointless tbh.

Wasnt going to bother this round, but unfortunately I've been doing this too long now and force of habit has made me create another id, "well whats the harm" I tell myself lol.
Yes, it is pointless signing up to a game that you're not even playing...

Although everybody else who kills/farms you will enjoy you as a target, so yeah stick around for them haha. Good points there, sadly nobody else seems to have the same views.

CFalcon said:
And yet in your first post you have a go at people who use phones for attacking people less active than them.
Have a go at people?! Because I care?

Unless most people around here, don't give a **** about what damage they are causing.

CFalcon said:
Why even bother quoting something for this pathetic excuse of a reply?

CFalcon said:
I don't believe you.
Gathered as much, but who the hell are you to call me a liar? I hope you will see it for yourself one day, maybe you should be less ignorant, it doesn't suit you.

CFalcon said:
Oh, and I'm more than aware that you're trolling me. But this is sport for me, so do continue
Trolling you? There are plenty of players in this thread I could have replied to, but maybe it's the fact that you've replied in such a way that required me to reply in the same ridiculous way.

Your comment here alone is a troll to me, I was going to say (I'm pretty sure I already did), that don't bother replying again since you have nothing constructive to add other than your spam/troll/fail flames, clearly in your last post.

You've obviously missed my point completely. Do you not think I can post my number too, and play like all you do? Honestly? You all make the assumption that sit around all day page refreshing.

I can't help you further.

Twigley said:
Rush them enough and find out where their weak spots are and i guarentee you that you will eventually kill them, over and over again.
Some players simply don't have enough time to sit on their PC all day doing this, when they know the person is just going to be called/text and run when you finally get there. It's not skilful on their part, and it's really frustrating and annoying on the person sending.
I've spent up to nearly two weeks rushing individual targets, and 10 days of that was working out how to get past the defence, and I dedicated my last free day before round end to rolling stealth to pass it.
Sometimes that's needed, and I believe a good player, is persistent and dedicated. The goalposts move with technology Zaheen - Move with them, or move on.
If you stopped any person in the middle of town and told them how you play this game, they would probably laugh in your face (a bit like I do every round when I see it).

You're not the only person who dedicates time to doing something Dax (most people probably spend that time differently), now we can honestly be here for the next 2 weeks debating/arguing and replying to each other about our different views. But my reply was to Twigley, and what he said.

You really need to see what damage you are causing to the game, and SOME of yourselves. Yes, maybe that comment is a little far fetched, or maybe what I said in my first post was a little too extreme. But I was trying to make a point. People who disturb your sleep over some game pixels, actually caring about the pixels to start with, is just beyond me.

I post my number incase my alliance needs defense, and last round was my first round ever being contactable by phone. In r28, I had a number, but if you called me at work, I wasn't going to be able to get on anyway so it was pointless.. :p

Posting my number did not make me a SQ, infact, I don't think anyone could truly call me one based on my actions. And no one could say I was really playing to win, since I chose to lead a bunch of newbie players, even though I had a couple of alliance offers pre-round that I knew would be good.

With that being said, I posted my number to be a team player, By being able to defend at anytime. It was rare that I had to be pranked to send out, 90% of the time, I was already online, and I would usually last-tick myself to save land, despite it being easier to go attack for the few hundred acres I would have lost anyway. I also sent defense on "suicide" missions, where I stopped land, but at a cost far higher than the land was worth....

but my phone gave me an edge, I was able to be online anytime, anywhere, send defense, BS with allymates (some of whom I'd do just about anything for, and I'm sure would do the same for me) and organize attacks.
You seem to be one of very few exceptions to my post then, due to the fact you did it to help new players (and not for your own benefit). With that said, you were teaching them wrongly in my opinion. Instead of protecting them as much as you did, you should have let them make mistakes sometimes, there should have been plenty of times where you gave them the chance to become good defenders. Purposefully not defending and LETTING them get wiped out. They would realise how to become a better player this way. But let's not go into too much detail on this, what you did was really good, so I'm not going to comment on what you didn't do, or what you should have done differently anymore.

You mentioned it was your first round giving out your number, would you happily do it again? I vaguely remember you mentioning something about burning yourself out mid round too, which caused you to hit sleep mode so you could catch up on some sleep. Don't take anything personal, but that was your own fault.

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Thanks to everyone who has put in good input so far.

I am going to be busy over the next few days, weeks until Ramadan is over. So my replies on here may become slower and slower, but I will when I have time reply. Send me a forum PM if you want me to reply to your post specifically.
 
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Dax

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But then again, I've seen people play games like World of Warcraft religiously, as well as many other games such as Call of Duty, or Modern Warfare.
How I play this game, is to actually get battles. It wasn't happening towards the end of last round, because everyone much higher up is more active and contactable. I'm not complaining, I rise to the challenge of killing someone who's contactable and active. It feels more rewarding when I trash their staff and deny them a portal for constantly appearing online and sending out. I can't say many other people would feel differently, either.
I'm a computer techie, I sit and repair computers and laptops all day, 6 days a week. What do you expect me to be doing with my time constructively? Maybe make the Taj Mahal out of monopoly money? Or perhaps create a golden toilet from mud. I dunno. I'm a vocalist for a death metal band, and an avid guitar and keyboard player. The great thing about Bushtarion, is I can do all those things, and play this game, without my spare time getting utterly ruined.
You sit and taunt people for the way they play this game actively, and how contactability and phones are ruining everything - But it's my choice. Who the hell are you to tell me I'm wrong/stupid/selfish for getting up at night to help out my alliance? People were the same about computers when they first came out, and telephones as a whole after that, because they would 'ruin society'. Much like you say attitudes and contactability 'ruin this game'. The simple answer is change the game, so these things become less prevalent.
 

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Sorry Dax but as an avid raider in Lotro and WoW it might be 'hardcore' gaming but i dont give my kinships my contact no. i have never been woken from my sleep or anything more important than sleep

I appreciate that your current lifestyle and interests at the moment mean this is not a big issue for you, for many years when i was much younger i shared your view the problem is that the dwindling player base indicates that *something* has to be done

From what im hearing from experienced players that i respect, the game has become much more contact dependant and while this is no problem for you im sure you'll agree that it is a major issue for the majority of whats left of the playerbase

While i may not fully agree that this suggestion is 'ideal' in resolving this issue at least people are attempting to put forward ideas and viewpoints to try and arrest the decline, as while i have the utmost respect for Azzer he seems to be either indisposed or no longer interested therefore player initiatives to try and save some of the game are very much needed and your views in the post above that its the games problems not the players i feel are way off the mark as eventually there will be no-one left to compete.

I apologise if this post offends you as it was not my intention but the game mechanics are unlikely to change soon therefore to protect what was a very large part of my online gaming life (and that of many others) players may have to adapt if this game is to survive. Whatever format that change takes is down to us but i fear that one thing Zaheen has got right is that we are very near the end of Bushtarion unless some sort of change occurs
 

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CFalcon said:
And yet in your first post you have a go at people who use phones for attacking people less active than them.
Have a go at people?! Because I care?

CFalcon said:
Zaheen said:
Of course I attack people who aren't as active as me?
And yet in your first post you have a go at people who use phones for attacking people less active than them.

The hypocrisy here is apparent to everyone. Even if you don't accept it.

CFalcon said:
Zaheen said:
No, I don't think I'm being hypocritical in the slightest.
k.
Why even bother quoting something for this pathetic excuse of a reply?

That reply wasn't a point by itself. I think it's obvious to everyone that it was in reference to the point preceding it.

CFalcon said:
Zaheen said:
But you see, I never kill/wipe out a new player
I don't believe you.
Gathered as much, but who the hell are you to call me a liar? I hope you will see it for yourself one day, maybe you should be less ignorant, it doesn't suit you.

You can guaruntee me you've never EVER killed a new player? Every time you've ever attacked someone you've had a quick chat first to make sure they're not new? EVERY TIME? You can't possibly do that. So yes, if you claim you've never EVER killed a new player, and you can't prove it, then yes I'm calling you a liar.

CFalcon said:
Oh, and I'm more than aware that you're trolling me. But this is sport for me, so do continue
Trolling you? There are plenty of players in this thread I could have replied to, but maybe it's the fact that you've replied in such a way that required me to reply in the same ridiculous way.

Plenty of players have agreed with me in this thread, and voiced their opposition to your original post. And yet you seem to ignore them and only attack me? You see how I could be forgiven for thinking you're trolling?

Your comment here alone is a troll to me, I was going to say (I'm pretty sure I already did), that don't bother replying again since you have nothing constructive to add other than your spam/troll/fail flames, clearly in your last post.

You mean replying to all the points you raise is spam/troll/fail flames now is it? And giving opinions IDENTICAL to others posted in this thread is not being constructive, even though you say all the others ARE being constructive? AND what I've said has repeatedly been supported by other posts in this thread?! No, you're right, I haven't posted anything useful at all. You still don't understand a debate do you. If I raise a point to counter one of your points, that isn't a flame. It's part of the debate!

I get the feeling you're simply attacking the only direct and properly layed out opposition to you. Except you're doing it by calling my posts flames, instead of actually addressing the points.

You've obviously missed my point completely. Do you not think I can post my number too, and play like all you do? Honestly? You all make the assumption that sit around all day page refreshing.

Where EVER did you get the idea I thought or assumed that? You're just making stuff up now.

If you STILL think I'm not posting anything on topic, think on these:

tobapopalos said:
I agree with what Alci, Tim, CF and Melni said.
max said:
it would be better if everyone played for fun, but for a lot of people (including myself on a number of occassions) playing at a higher rank is more fun, because it is a greater challenge.
^ point I made
Alcibiades said:
I fully agree with everything CF has pointed out.
bluehen55 said:
Well I was going to make a more extensive post, but it seems CF has said most everything I wanted to,
Dax said:
The goalposts move with technology Zaheen - Move with them, or move on.
^ point I made
LuckySports said:
I posted my number to be a team player, By being able to defend at anytime.
^ point I made
Cody said:
As CF stated, I play for the challenge
Iamsmart said:
'Players are not here to be used as the game sees fit. The game is here to be used as the players see fit!'

Finally someone agrees!

It seems, Zaheen, that people agree with my "non-constructive flames".

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To get away from quoting and counter-quoting; I agree that excessive contactibility and activity is damaging to the game. But, as I've said many many times, it isn't going to go away by itself. It would be lovely if it would. You hear that? Lovely. But it won't just go away! The game MUST adapt!

Players are not here to be used as the game sees fit. The game is here to be used as the players see fit!
 
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'Players are not here to be used as the game sees fit. The game is here to be used as the players see fit!'

Finally someone agrees! :p
 

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You seem to be one of very few exceptions to my post then, due to the fact you did it to help new players (and not for your own benefit). With that said, you were teaching them wrongly in my opinion. Instead of protecting them as much as you did, you should have let them make mistakes sometimes, there should have been plenty of times where you gave them the chance to become good defenders. Purposefully not defending and LETTING them get wiped out. They would realise how to become a better player this way. But let's not go into too much detail on this, what you did was really good, so I'm not going to comment on what you didn't do, or what you should have done differently anymore.



They got wiped out plenty.. Everyone one of them that stuck around learned about rebuilding MANY times over.. :p I only saved their land. There was a time where our defense was impeccible. Both due to experienced players and newbies. That ended when everyone went inactive the last 2 weeks of the round :(


You mentioned it was your first round giving out your number, would you happily do it again? I vaguely remember you mentioning something about burning yourself out mid round too, which caused you to hit sleep mode so you could catch up on some sleep. Don't take anything personal, but that was your own fault.

I didn't get burned out because of my number, I was never pranked at night.. I was burned out because I was staying up late, because the attacks were consistent, and I was woken by mIRC every hour or so, to organize or send defense. I wouldn't have gotten burned out at all if I had someone else that was willing and/or capable of organizing the defense. I could see how someone would burn out quickly if they were always trying to play from their phone, but thats not me anymore.. :p I only get on at work periodically, or when I get pranked for defense.
 

Dax

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I appreciate that your current lifestyle and interests at the moment mean this is not a big issue for you, for many years when i was much younger i shared your view the problem is that the dwindling player base indicates that *something* has to be done

I also suggested an idea that reduces the need for contactability to the level it is currently required, but I don't see half of the people that complain posting their agreement or disagreement to that; And my idea is doable, all this whining about it solves nothing. Ideas for change does.
 

Zaheen

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You can guaruntee me you've never EVER killed a new player? Every time you've ever attacked someone you've had a quick chat first to make sure they're not new? EVERY TIME? You can't possibly do that. So yes, if you claim you've never EVER killed a new player, and you can't prove it, then yes I'm calling you a liar.
That's something that is impossible to prove, just like players using mobile phones to get contacted, proof? I have no proof, I'm just trying to openly discuss what I feel is the major issue here, and the cause for the lack of activity and effort by players who seem to be leaving.

You are damaging the game, Azzer has already said it's a proven fact that powerblocks badly damage games. And there is very little difference from a powerblock and a 24/7 contactable alliance in terms of survival, and the ability to kill them (making my point here, no need to tell me that 5 contactable players died this round becuase you'll be missing the point).

To get away from quoting and counter-quoting; I agree that excessive contactibility and activity is damaging to the game. But, as I've said many many times, it isn't going to go away by itself. It would be lovely if it would. You hear that? Lovely. But it won't just go away! The game MUST adapt!
Why don't YOU adapt?

If everybody mutually agrees to stop using them at the same time, and try it for a round, what harm could it do? Hmm?

You're all just too full of shyte to admit that it's got out of hand now, and instead of anybody standing up to it like I am, everyone just jumps on the bandwagon and makes it even harder to stop.

I wasn't the one quoting, and counter quoting. I replied to your first post because I felt you missed my point completely (you have too much of an ego to admit it, so you decided to fix this by posting again, and quoting EVERYTHING I said - just goes to show that you had a boring life that day), your second post was complete and utter bullshyte in my eyes, which I pretty much pointed out to you.

Now I don't really care if you are better with words than I am, doesn't matter to me. In almost all your posts you've made it seem like I'm uncapable of playing with high ranks, and that I enjoy sitting at 1000 acres collecting seeds all round, where the hell did you get that from?

All I'm saying is, would YOU (and any other contactable player like you) not find it more fun if you all had the same advantages/disadvantages as each other? Do you not find that fun?

I cannot see any satisfaction in winning in the way players today are playing. None at all, the only thing you can actually brag about is the fact you have no life. As already stated by me and many others, that it takes no skill to run your troops 24/7, call each other up and defend with more players/units than the attackers.

I could easily blame the game now, but it's really not the games fault. Players have found a way to beat the game, and without any remorse will continue to abuse this, damage their own health if they have to just to win at it.

I really appreciate players voting honestly, but IceOfFire should have definately voted the top one, and I'm sure others. I just wanted to point it out to most of you what damage is it causing to the game, it is quite frustrating for me as I've always tried to make rounds more fun by only ever attacking the top, and never joining the top (exceptions would be if I joined in to help knowing that they would fall too easily, or joined to help bring them down if I feel they would never fall).

Never managed to succeed in my attemts, so I usually just stick to solo most of the time.

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Cody came 1st place last round, and without trying to make him look bad, or trying to make me look good (because it's not my intention), bless him he hasn't even managed to find a decent alliance for him to play in. Mine is a fun alliance and I don't see him fitting in mine, but if he was that good wouldn't every alliance want to have him?

Just goes to show that winning, getting rank 1 means nothing in this game, so why don't you all get it into your heads that having fun is more important and if everybody stopped giving out their numbers (at least all the players who had any skill at all) I'm sure there will be plenty of rounds where skilful players hammer contactable ones, and I would really like to play in rounds like that. Generally players who don't give out their number play for fun, and the round would be much more fun because killing certain ones would be easier, passing their alliance would still be impossible. The round as a whole would have no real winner until it finished.

Undoubtedly, activity has always been a major factor - but I'm not allowed to fault that, as it's down to each individual's lifestyle, and way to cheat activity is by giving players around the entire world your personal number just to give yourselves an edge in a game?! If you love it that much why don't you try and prevent it from dying like I am? No, you'd rather argue every single point I make to try and make yourself look amazing and oh so great.

CFalcon, you have truly proved yourself to be a complete ass in my opinion.

Every single contactable player in this game = someone who cares too much about their score, and the game.

Someone who cares too much about their score, and the game = Scorequeen.
 
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