insurance

[timthetyrant]

why didnt i get much insurance for the first tick?. i got around 30% insurance in the middle tick.

Mon 17th Mar, year 5. Afternoon Attacking sum1 [0001]
Battle Report - Attacking sum1 [0001]
[range] 7,650,000 hostile Vampire attacked, killing 2,050,127 allied staff.
[raised] 6,069 corpses twitched into life, becoming Lesser Vampire.
[range] 2,550,000 hostile Gargoyle attacked, killing 477,250 allied staff.
[range] 3,513,479 allied Cybernetic Warrior attacked, killing 18,359,794 hostile staff.
[range] 1,521,258 allied Tyrant Drone attacked, killing 4,225,820 hostile staff.

Died: 2,527,377 [£102,088,145,000] friendlies dead. 22,585,614 [£335,651,639,500] enemies dead.
Converted: 6,069 [£97,104,000] friendlies converted.

You gained 493,060 effectiveness.
You earned £72,688,988,687 bounty.
You will soon be receiving £5,859,665,000 insurance.

 

[Tombi]

Vampires are classed as bribers/converters? and you dont get insurance for bribed or converted troops

 

[CFalcon]

Vamps killed 2,000,000, gargoyles killed ~500,000. Lets assume vamps and gargs killed the same type of troops, so the gargs did a fifth of the total damage done to you. A fifth of 100b is 20b damage. Insurance from what the gargs killed would then be about 30% of 20b, which is ~6b, which is what you received.

So you only got insurance from what the gargs killed. The problem is, as Tombi said, that vampires being classed as bribers don't give insurance.

This problem did come up a month or two ago, apparently not fixed yet.

 

[timthetyrant]

that is BS!

so no insurance even when vampires cant convert me?

 

[Ahead]

I've seen vamps give nearly full insurance (around 32%) against RPGs (stuff they do convert) this round so I'm not sure if that's why.

 

[Souls]

I've seen vamps give nearly full insurance (around 32%) against RPGs (stuff they do convert) this round so I'm not sure if that's why.

The value converted is removed from either the value of insurance, or the value of friendlies killed (more likely this one), so if not much was converted not much would've been reduced.

 

[Hobbezak]

I got this battle report last night:

Thu 16th Oct, year 5. Early hours Defending Hobbezak [xxx]
Battle Report - Defending Hobbezak [xxx]
[range] 8,000,000 allied Striker attacked, killing 603,735 hostile staff.
[range] 69,555,531 hostile Vampire attacked, killing 41,794,209 allied staff.
[raised] 1,392,353 corpses twitched into life, becoming Lesser Vampire.
[range] 3,386,262 allied Apache Longbow attacked, killing 39,227,840 hostile staff.

Died: 39,831,575 [£438,179,643,000] enemies dead. 41,794,209 [£1,000,957,321,700] friendlies dead.
Converted: 1,392,353 [£22,277,648,000] friendlies converted.

You gained 853,681 effectiveness.
You will soon be receiving £115,655,586,375 insurance.

Can Azzer perhaps shed some light on how this insurance works? I hear it should be 35%.
Now I see 2 options concerning bribing/converting:
1. The losses against Vamps are all classed as converts, i.e. no insurance. This is clearly not the case: only Vamps fired and I got 115b insurance.
2. You get the kills, you subtract the converts (in this case: 1t - 22b = 988b), and you calculate the insurance on the result (in this cases: 988b).

I know that gardeners, harvs and wheels don't give you insurance, but even if all of it was flak, the value would be about 100b. Which means even if it was mass flak and just one let, that let would still account for 900b. And 35% of 900b > 300b if you ask me.

 

[Hippie]

ever think you are just plain unlucky? or the attack happened at midnight or something

 

[Hobbezak]

ever think you are just plain unlucky? or the attack happened at midnight or something

Early hours.

 

[Hippie]

just unlucky then i guess

 

[lavadog]

lol, you shouldn't be unlucky on some of the game's basic mechanics ...

 

[Hobbezak]

[range] 9,256,709 allied Psychopathic Android attacked, killing 5,990,176 hostile staff.
[range] 9,220,171 hostile Vampire attacked, killing 6,300,640 allied staff.
[raised] 127,313 corpses twitched into life, becoming Lesser Vampire.
[range] 3,061,631 allied Tyrant Drone attacked, killing 62,712,301 hostile staff.

Died: 6,300,640 [£140,719,370,000] friendlies dead. 68,702,477 [£671,923,029,000] enemies dead.
Converted: 127,313 [£2,037,008,000] friendlies converted.

You gained 251,812 effectiveness.
You earned £72,821,482,077 bounty.
You will soon be receiving £700,791,000 insurance.

The bugged insurance strikes again...

 

[Hobbezak]

[range] 10,000,000 allied Psychopathic Android attacked, killing 4,671,979 hostile staff.
[range] 18,343,286 hostile Vampire attacked, killing 9,664,050 allied staff.
[raised] 137,534 corpses twitched into life, becoming Lesser Vampire.
[range] 162,598 hostile Gargoyle attacked, killing 77,281 allied staff.
[range] 2,733,391 allied Tyrant Drone attacked, killing 27,891,307 hostile staff.

Died: 9,741,331 [£283,316,935,000] friendlies dead. 32,563,286 [£629,296,262,500] enemies dead.
Converted: 137,534 [£2,200,544,000] friendlies converted.

You gained 203,438 effectiveness.
You earned £58,922,548,344 bounty.
You will soon be receiving £7,439,526,500 insurance.

Seriously Azzer, shed some light on wtf is going on there...

 

[Ahead]

I think it looks like:

You get full insurance minus converts on any unit that vamps convert (i.e. all living units).

You get NO insurance on robotic/vehicle units, even though the vamps don't convert them to lesser vamps.

This is speculation but it's what it looks like to me. Did the striker player have grens/HWs/marines Hobbe? Did you lose around 330b worth of HWs/grens/marines/hippies/yobs/geos in the BR defending you?

 

[Hobbezak]

I think it looks like:

You get full insurance minus converts on any unit that vamps convert (i.e. all living units).

You get NO insurance on robotic/vehicle units, even though the vamps don't convert them to lesser vamps.

This is speculation but it's what it looks like to me. Did the striker player have grens/HWs/marines Hobbe? Did you lose around 330b worth of HWs/grens/marines/hippies/yobs/geos in the BR defending you?

That seems a plausible explanation, as I lost 450k geo's on that last attack, which could well add up to the received injury.
Dunno about that striker br, but again it's quite possible I had mass hw at that time, which could again add up.

Even if this is correct, it does look more like a bug than a feature to me.

 

[Tombi]

Or are you in an Ally that is at war with the person that sent at you..? that could explain it

 

[Garrett]

Or are you in an Ally that is at war with the person that sent at you..? that could explain it

no. enmity is the only alliance that i'm aware of that has declared war on us this round and also rescinded. that happened quite some time ago.

 

[Ahead]

I think it looks like:

You get full insurance minus converts on any unit that vamps convert (i.e. all living units).

You get NO insurance on robotic/vehicle units, even though the vamps don't convert them to lesser vamps.

This is speculation but it's what it looks like to me. Did the striker player have grens/HWs/marines Hobbe? Did you lose around 330b worth of HWs/grens/marines/hippies/yobs/geos in the BR defending you?

That seems a plausible explanation, as I lost 450k geo's on that last attack, which could well add up to the received injury.
Dunno about that striker br, but again it's quite possible I had mass hw at that time, which could again add up.

Even if this is correct, it does look more like a bug than a feature to me.

Agreed. It's not meant to happen I don't think, well - it doesn't make sense if it is. But does any of the vamp route really make sense?

 

[tobapopalos]

Can we please get the vamp bug fixed? It's driving me crazy.