Prest, at a glance.

Ryu · 18-08-2010, 12:31 PM

These accounts and events are being recalled from MY point of view.

Lately, I've been reading a lot about Prest and how "bad" it was. Hopefully I can clear a few things up.

First of all, let's squash these lies about stealing members. Prest never stole a single member from anywhere. Granted, a lot of the players came from other alliances doesn't constitute stealing. Any member accepted into Prest was either unhappy with where they used to be, were new, or were solo. Plain and simple facts. If our members came from your alliance, tough luck - you don't own them.. maybe next time keep them happy.

Now, Prest was a late blooming alliance that was completely behind the tech curve and still managed to pull off a high rank. We were fighting fully teched incoming with hippy/yob and if lucky enough our first tier units. The alliance started completely as a 'For the Fun' alliance, but took a turn for FTW when we started climbing the ranks. This caused us to lose 1 or 2 people who weren't on board for this style of play. Regardless of the player loss, and player gain - Prest managed to peak out at rank 3 with more land than every alliance around us (Except History of course) and IMO; We might have stayed there had Shr3k not been feeding Oxy the info they needed to take us down. Piss poor playing if you ask me. Oddly enough, every time someone was UC or on Holiday they'd get rushed..

This marked the downfall really. Once History broke up a few people went with the new one with hopes of killing Oxy and others, for fun I suppose. (I think Hero, Swat, and another if I remember correctly.) Left those in Prest in a sticky situation, especially me being so high ranked at the time - left us sitting ducks. Time and time went by, more people left or went on holiday. One morning I get a text around 4 am, so I logged on. About 5 or 6 people were leaving to join Comeuppance, and the invite was extended my way.. I took it.

This is my sincere apology to those left behind to fend for themselves, I'm sorry things went this way.

That's all I really have to say for now, comment or add below. Don't ruin my post.

Iamsmart · 18-08-2010, 01:14 PM

Stealing members aside, how many people did you kick/rape unwillingly to get these 'non-stolen members'? There were quite a few, at least 10 plus, possibly 20, can you REALLY justify ALL of them? Replacing someone in an alliance should be a pretty big deal, it shouldn't be a daily, or even a weekly occurrence, yet Prest made it a twice a day special.

You joined CU. You apologize, but are you really sorry? You obviously didn't feel loyal enough to stay with them and try to keep the alliance together/alive. Don't you think it was a bit shady to just ditch ~12-15 members of your alliance and join another one? Do you think you would have gotten a bit more satisfaction by working with the same alliance you've been in since the start than jumping to another one?

An apology when you'd do the same still seems nice, but a bit pointless and meaningless.

Dax · 18-08-2010, 01:34 PM

Don't forget I had this same problem last round - It's all covered territory.
http://bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4152

Our difference is where Prest became FTW, Finale was half and half, there were 12 players who were playing with activity and contactability, and there were 8 who continued to play FTF. Regrettably, two were left behind, and the other ten moved to Silence's alliance {which laughably, also collapsed due to paranoia and greed}.
I've been in alliances that were well below my rank average before {notably Rise Against, and Rebel will back me on the state of his alliance before I joined} - It is still possible to survive, and spend the limited time before you are killed by helping to teach and nurture those who are new or low-ranked til they become competent enough to take care of each other.
I think ultimately, the call for keeping your rank was greater than that of looking after those who were left behind. But that's merely my opinion. I will however give kudos because you have finally made an attempt at explaining your own actions, at least.

Dimitar · 18-08-2010, 01:37 PM

lol I don't know entirely what Shr3k did, but as soon as I joined Oxy(halfway through the round) Martin banned shr3k from the alliance chan and claimed he would leave if he continued to spy for us, because.. well we were bigger than Prest and spying is generally stupid. And of course noone wanted to kick Martin, so as far as I know the spying stopped.

Ryu · 18-08-2010, 02:27 PM

@ Iamsmart - No one was K/R'ed for the guys from Oxy to Prest, from what I remember.. Maybe one or 2, but they barely played as it was. And yes, I mean the apology. But we didn't leave behind 10 or 12 people.. seemed more like 4 or 5. I wasn't going to stick it out with people who were on holiday.. that's plain silly.

@ Shadowbane - Shr3k stopped spying once he was kick/raped. We had the intention of trying to use him against Oxy and lie in Pols/IRC and what not.. but we got fed up. Shr3k getting kicked off IRC for Flooding while we had tons of inc was just a clear sign of spying.

edd · 18-08-2010, 04:02 PM

First off, you can't claim you were unteched when you had players like hero, swat and beckett who were some of the most teched players in oxy.

Secondly, Shr3k came to us with info up to twice a day(and told us little info you didn't know about oxy because of the number of ex-oxy players you had) about 2-3 days before prest disbanded completely and it lasted 2 days. We did not plant him as a spy. You had already fallen behind 20bil behind oxy at that point and that was because your successful defenses depended on Recon being there. Like you said, if you can't keep your own players happy, that's tough luck.

Zaheen · 18-08-2010, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iamsmart

Stealing members aside, how many people did you kick/rape unwillingly to get these 'non-stolen members'? There were quite a few, at least 10 plus, possibly 20, can you REALLY justify ALL of them? Replacing someone in an alliance should be a pretty big deal, it shouldn't be a daily, or even a weekly occurrence, yet Prest made it a twice a day special.

You joined CU. You apologize, but are you really sorry? You obviously didn't feel loyal enough to stay with them and try to keep the alliance together/alive. Don't you think it was a bit shady to just ditch ~12-15 members of your alliance and join another one? Do you think you would have gotten a bit more satisfaction by working with the same alliance you've been in since the start than jumping to another one?

An apology when you'd do the same still seems nice, but a bit pointless and meaningless.

Ok look Ryu, even sent me hate mail (along with Polo and a few others) when I joined History for like 24 hours. But why would he apologise when he's not sorry?

Ryu isn't a liar, a hypocrite maybe, but he's not a liar - and he ship jumped because he wanted to, he doesn't have to explain it.

Personally I jumped because Prest was eating up too much of my time. I wanted to play with CK a bit, and IceOfFire wasn't in there at the time, I didn't have a problem with anybody in there, and it was half full, they were about to be bashed out anyway. But my fun ended when they split, and I went back to solo, I then got bored and deleted.

Ryu · 18-08-2010, 05:12 PM

I've said what I wanted to say, and will not argue with people. Say what's on your mind and that's that.

But for the record Ed, our defense didn't rely on Recon.

Iamsmart · 18-08-2010, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryu

@ Iamsmart - No one was K/R'ed for the guys from Oxy to Prest, from what I remember.. Maybe one or 2, but they barely played as it was. And yes, I mean the apology. But we didn't leave behind 10 or 12 people.. seemed more like 4 or 5. I wasn't going to stick it out with people who were on holiday.. that's plain silly.

@ Shadowbane - Shr3k stopped spying once he was kick/raped. We had the intention of trying to use him against Oxy and lie in Pols/IRC and what not.. but we got fed up. Shr3k getting kicked off IRC for Flooding while we had tons of inc was just a clear sign of spying.

I'm calling bullshit tbh. There's no way you kicked 10-20+ people who were all inactive and who were all willing to be kicked. Maybe in YOUR opinion they weren't active enough, but there's a fine line between being inactive, and being inactive enough to be kick/raped. Sometimes you have to give players a chance. You shouldn't replace them just because someone better comes along.

People go on holiday. It's the summer. You didn't even start off as a ftw alliance for gods sake, christ, even rank 2 had loads of players go on vacation this round, you didn't see us kick them all or leave them behind for a new alliance. It's not silly. It's called loyalty, if you went on vacation during a round I think you might want to come back to an account still playable.

Ryu · 19-08-2010, 02:55 AM

The rate of which people were leaving was almost equivalent to those coming in.

When it comes down to it.. I play this game to have fun. I wasn't having fun with the state of the alliance, and I wouldn't have had fun playing with 4 or 5 people who could care less about what was happening. I wasn't the leader, it wasn't my responsibility.

Iamsmart · 19-08-2010, 04:21 AM

Generally the amount of people who leave is equal to the amount that joins, yes..

It's not your responsibility? That's bullshit. Every member is responsible for defense and being loyal to an alliance. You're supposed to develop some sort of trust and friendship in your alliance. The fact that you've been gloating about your alliance (Prest) so much recently would indicate you did have that. The reason shipjumping is so frowned upon is because you break that simple trust and friendship by screwing the people over who have defended you for a long time.

Yeah, games are supposed to be fun. But the main reason this game is fun is the people you get to play with and chat with. The amount of time I spend on this game makes it a little more than 'just a game' to me, I value my friends over something to make your life easier such as shipjumping.

timthetyrant · 19-08-2010, 11:52 AM

And then near the end of round you hit up a vendetta against Coyote Ugly?

Ryu · 19-08-2010, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timthetyrant

And then near the end of round you hit up a vendetta against Coyote Ugly?

I believe a few guys went back to Prest for that reason, but I'm not sure.

Dax · 19-08-2010, 06:32 PM

Trustworthiness and the ability to be got along with I believe is one of the most vital attributes for a player in this game. If you want a good group of people to play with, you will possess these things. If you enjoy dickslapping each other every round for glorious lols, then be a knobjock. Simple, really.

Zaheen · 19-08-2010, 10:08 PM

Quite disturbing when people keep talking about dicks and knobs all the time, what are you gay or something?

I'm sure words like that aren't allowed, last time I read the rules.

18-08-2010, 12:31 PM	#1
Ryu Pruner Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 80	Prest, at a glance. These accounts and events are being recalled from MY point of view. Lately, I've been reading a lot about Prest and how "bad" it was. Hopefully I can clear a few things up. First of all, let's squash these lies about stealing members. Prest never stole a single member from anywhere. Granted, a lot of the players came from other alliances doesn't constitute stealing. Any member accepted into Prest was either unhappy with where they used to be, were new, or were solo. Plain and simple facts. If our members came from your alliance, tough luck - you don't own them.. maybe next time keep them happy. Now, Prest was a late blooming alliance that was completely behind the tech curve and still managed to pull off a high rank. We were fighting fully teched incoming with hippy/yob and if lucky enough our first tier units. The alliance started completely as a 'For the Fun' alliance, but took a turn for FTW when we started climbing the ranks. This caused us to lose 1 or 2 people who weren't on board for this style of play. Regardless of the player loss, and player gain - Prest managed to peak out at rank 3 with more land than every alliance around us (Except History of course) and IMO; We might have stayed there had Shr3k not been feeding Oxy the info they needed to take us down. Piss poor playing if you ask me. Oddly enough, every time someone was UC or on Holiday they'd get rushed.. This marked the downfall really. Once History broke up a few people went with the new one with hopes of killing Oxy and others, for fun I suppose. (I think Hero, Swat, and another if I remember correctly.) Left those in Prest in a sticky situation, especially me being so high ranked at the time - left us sitting ducks. Time and time went by, more people left or went on holiday. One morning I get a text around 4 am, so I logged on. About 5 or 6 people were leaving to join Comeuppance, and the invite was extended my way.. I took it. This is my sincere apology to those left behind to fend for themselves, I'm sorry things went this way. That's all I really have to say for now, comment or add below. Don't ruin my post.

18-08-2010, 01:34 PM	#3
Dax Landscape Designer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 2,225	Don't forget I had this same problem last round - It's all covered territory. http://bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4152 Our difference is where Prest became FTW, Finale was half and half, there were 12 players who were playing with activity and contactability, and there were 8 who continued to play FTF. Regrettably, two were left behind, and the other ten moved to Silence's alliance {which laughably, also collapsed due to paranoia and greed}. I've been in alliances that were well below my rank average before {notably Rise Against, and Rebel will back me on the state of his alliance before I joined} - It is still possible to survive, and spend the limited time before you are killed by helping to teach and nurture those who are new or low-ranked til they become competent enough to take care of each other. I think ultimately, the call for keeping your rank was greater than that of looking after those who were left behind. But that's merely my opinion. I will however give kudos because you have finally made an attempt at explaining your own actions, at least. __________________ RETIRED: R17-37 & 39-46 http://bushtarion.com/portal/portal_...w.php?Nick=D4X R34; 111 Credits of Uselessness [5038] / FunkyTown, Finish Rank 43 PRE-RESTART ID's: R21; Raphael of The_TMHT [3251] / Vengeance R18-20; Should of Swallowed R17; PassOut of Existence [9677]

19-08-2010, 11:52 AM	#12
timthetyrant Head Gardener Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 358	And then near the end of round you hit up a vendetta against Coyote Ugly? __________________ They mostly come at night, mostly....... from fun->not so fun dRAGE QUIT,Pee-wee's Playhouse,RSF,CoyoteUgly,YochokoWantsChuChu,Alcoholics Anonymous,Grandes Cojones,BlondeAngels,Old Farts,Noobs,The Turtle Moves, ThermodynamicTorch......Hypnotoad

19-08-2010, 06:32 PM	#14
Dax Landscape Designer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 2,225	Trustworthiness and the ability to be got along with I believe is one of the most vital attributes for a player in this game. If you want a good group of people to play with, you will possess these things. If you enjoy dickslapping each other every round for glorious lols, then be a knobjock. Simple, really. __________________ RETIRED: R17-37 & 39-46 http://bushtarion.com/portal/portal_...w.php?Nick=D4X R34; 111 Credits of Uselessness [5038] / FunkyTown, Finish Rank 43 PRE-RESTART ID's: R21; Raphael of The_TMHT [3251] / Vengeance R18-20; Should of Swallowed R17; PassOut of Existence [9677]

18-08-2010, 01:14 PM	#2
Iamsmart Landscape Designer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,487	Stealing members aside, how many people did you kick/rape unwillingly to get these 'non-stolen members'? There were quite a few, at least 10 plus, possibly 20, can you REALLY justify ALL of them? Replacing someone in an alliance should be a pretty big deal, it shouldn't be a daily, or even a weekly occurrence, yet Prest made it a twice a day special. You joined CU. You apologize, but are you really sorry? You obviously didn't feel loyal enough to stay with them and try to keep the alliance together/alive. Don't you think it was a bit shady to just ditch ~12-15 members of your alliance and join another one? Do you think you would have gotten a bit more satisfaction by working with the same alliance you've been in since the start than jumping to another one? An apology when you'd do the same still seems nice, but a bit pointless and meaningless.

18-08-2010, 01:37 PM	#4
Dimitar Landscape Designer Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,619	lol I don't know entirely what Shr3k did, but as soon as I joined Oxy(halfway through the round) Martin banned shr3k from the alliance chan and claimed he would leave if he continued to spy for us, because.. well we were bigger than Prest and spying is generally stupid. And of course noone wanted to kick Martin, so as far as I know the spying stopped.

18-08-2010, 02:27 PM	#5
Ryu Pruner Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 80	@ Iamsmart - No one was K/R'ed for the guys from Oxy to Prest, from what I remember.. Maybe one or 2, but they barely played as it was. And yes, I mean the apology. But we didn't leave behind 10 or 12 people.. seemed more like 4 or 5. I wasn't going to stick it out with people who were on holiday.. that's plain silly. @ Shadowbane - Shr3k stopped spying once he was kick/raped. We had the intention of trying to use him against Oxy and lie in Pols/IRC and what not.. but we got fed up. Shr3k getting kicked off IRC for Flooding while we had tons of inc was just a clear sign of spying.

18-08-2010, 04:02 PM	#6
edd Head Gardener Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 377	First off, you can't claim you were unteched when you had players like hero, swat and beckett who were some of the most teched players in oxy. Secondly, Shr3k came to us with info up to twice a day(and told us little info you didn't know about oxy because of the number of ex-oxy players you had) about 2-3 days before prest disbanded completely and it lasted 2 days. We did not plant him as a spy. You had already fallen behind 20bil behind oxy at that point and that was because your successful defenses depended on Recon being there. Like you said, if you can't keep your own players happy, that's tough luck.

18-08-2010, 05:12 PM	#8
Ryu Pruner Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 80	I've said what I wanted to say, and will not argue with people. Say what's on your mind and that's that. But for the record Ed, our defense didn't rely on Recon.

19-08-2010, 02:55 AM	#10
Ryu Pruner Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 80	The rate of which people were leaving was almost equivalent to those coming in. When it comes down to it.. I play this game to have fun. I wasn't having fun with the state of the alliance, and I wouldn't have had fun playing with 4 or 5 people who could care less about what was happening. I wasn't the leader, it wasn't my responsibility.

19-08-2010, 04:21 AM	#11
Iamsmart Landscape Designer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,487	Generally the amount of people who leave is equal to the amount that joins, yes.. It's not your responsibility? That's bullshit. Every member is responsible for defense and being loyal to an alliance. You're supposed to develop some sort of trust and friendship in your alliance. The fact that you've been gloating about your alliance (Prest) so much recently would indicate you did have that. The reason shipjumping is so frowned upon is because you break that simple trust and friendship by screwing the people over who have defended you for a long time. Yeah, games are supposed to be fun. But the main reason this game is fun is the people you get to play with and chat with. The amount of time I spend on this game makes it a little more than 'just a game' to me, I value my friends over something to make your life easier such as shipjumping.

19-08-2010, 10:08 PM	#15
Zaheen BANNED Tree Surgeon Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Clouds Posts: 675	Quite disturbing when people keep talking about dicks and knobs all the time, what are you gay or something? I'm sure words like that aren't allowed, last time I read the rules.