Round Start Simulator - Page 3

Elderveld · 13-10-2011, 12:05 PM

Obv he is doing something rite in that time

money well spent

QuitusV2 · 13-10-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Elderveld

Obv he is doing something rite in that time

money well spent

Hopefully he won´t need it to buy the p-unit so a PW seems a wiser choice.

Sounds interesting i´ll check it out.

CFalcon · 13-10-2011, 02:58 PM

I don't know if it's wise to be releasing this considering how accurate it is, but meh, I put alot of eff into it so it might as well get used. Not hugely user-friendly, but it does fully simulate the first 12 hours.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/o9j0z2 The big "Click Here To Download" at the top is an advert. Actual link is down the page.

Similar to Steve's thing, in that it's an excel file with values only applicable to clear weather in spring, and no fail-safes for idiots. If you sell more seeds than you have and end up with more money than is realistically possible, or change values in blocks that they key at the top says you mustn't change, or can't work out what TS/BS/FS/GS means, it's your fault for being retarded.

Also, even though this is an excel file, I only have OpenOffice, so I have *no* idea if it actually works in MS-Excel. I've got a feeling that conditional logic and highlighting might work differently in Excel.

willymchilybily · 14-10-2011, 11:48 AM

it wants me to install some software to be able to download your software... i am skeptical. *buys private world instead*

CFalcon · 14-10-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by willymchilybily

it wants me to install some software to be able to download your software... i am skeptical. *buys private world instead*

You're clicking the wrong thing

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Originally Posted by CFalcon

The big "Click Here To Download" at the top is an advert. Actual link is down the page.

Regular download -> Click here to start download from sendspace

Elderveld · 14-10-2011, 01:31 PM

It looks verry hard

but after a while its starting to get a bit easy'r now

still testing! looks nice though!

Iamsmart · 14-10-2011, 02:08 PM

lol cool people find starts this interesting

who wants me to come back for the first 10 hours to CHALLENGE MY UNDEFEATED RECORD?!?!

PS: DarkSider's thing rocks tho i dont think Steve's link in that thread works anymore.

Dimitar · 14-10-2011, 02:33 PM

Starts don't matter. Cya

CFalcon · 14-10-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowbane

Starts don't matter. Cya

Neither does bushtarion.

Dimitar · 14-10-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CFalcon

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Originally Posted by Shadowbane

Starts don't matter. Cya

Neither does bushtarion.

Be careful dood. I heard a rumour that Azz0r was online today.

willymchilybily · 18-10-2011, 12:10 AM

like your simulator. enfuriated by having to do everything myself

keep putting formula in the first few boxes ticks to fill the maximum acres/buy the maximum harvs, whilst balancing the gardeners needed. how accurate are you values as you mentioned that in your original post. does it predict things pretty well? i assume things like, bush plants produced from seeds using formula like

=INT(H24+H28*100*0.8999)

is because the excel u used or time you did it you didnt realise you can use

ROUNDDOWN((H24+H28*100*0.9),0) and is accurate.

but other things like the amouint of seeds a tree plant produce

INT(C11+10+S19*3.45338889))

that value/constant is obviously going to change after a certain number of acres. which is key to optimising the round start. switching to bush from tree etc. at the right time. and to flower too. when does the rate of return of tree/bush deminish to a point its worth filling other acres and buying more harvs?. Is this value you use based on round start values or later in the round values is that when you allready have 100 acres of bush you get that return in tree. Does the exponential return of seeds kicks in after x acres, or is it from the very start.... anyway any insight into that if you have any or your simulators accuracy. how many ticks in does it begin to become inaccurate?

atsanjose · 18-10-2011, 05:51 AM

my round start simulator is 100% correct.

shame i can only use it once every 2,5 months

Kuda · 18-10-2011, 12:29 PM

Must say interesting thread, haven't actually followed any of the links mainly because I'm too lazy but in concept I think it could be useful for some people who consistently have trouble with their starts. Although I think again this is mostly due to them missing ticks, making errors in buying troops at the wrong time, planting at the wrong time, buying land in afternoon instead of harvs, etc so unfortunately without writing a bot to play the round for them I'm not sure how much it will help

I'll watch the round start from a distance this round however and for those with public IDs I'll try see if there is any sign of improvement in their round starts.

Hopefully some of you will be a bit higher in rank at the start as I won't be hogging one of those top ranks this round

also not sure if Polo and Martin will be playing the start either this round, they said they weren't last round but still did anyway so you never know... hehe

Oh and Dimi you really should look at them links

CFalcon · 18-10-2011, 02:37 PM

There was a small error in the one I posted earlier that made planting seeds during a night tick go a bit haywire. This has now been corrected, correct link has been edited into my original post and can be found here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/o9j0z2

Quote:

Originally Posted by willymchilybily

how accurate are you values as you mentioned that in your original post. does it predict things pretty well? i assume things like, bush plants produced from seeds using formula like

=INT(H24+H28*100*0.8999)

is because the excel u used or time you did it you didnt realise you can use

ROUNDDOWN((H24+H28*100*0.9),0) and is accurate.

My values are based on private world tests. I can't find where I noted down the actual results, but they work pretty damn accurately. Occasionally my calcs are 1 seed out, due to some difference in the method of rounding/integering.

And that second formula you posted would not produce the same result as the first one.

willymchilybily · 18-10-2011, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFalcon

There was a small error in the one I posted earlier that made planting seeds during a night tick go a bit haywire. This has now been corrected, correct link has been edited into my original post and can be found here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/o9j0z2

Quote:

Originally Posted by willymchilybily

how accurate are you values as you mentioned that in your original post. does it predict things pretty well? i assume things like, bush plants produced from seeds using formula like

=INT(H24+H28*100*0.8999)

is because the excel u used or time you did it you didnt realise you can use

ROUNDDOWN((H24+H28*100*0.9),0) and is accurate.

My values are based on private world tests. I can't find where I noted down the actual results, but they work pretty damn accurately. Occasionally my calcs are 1 seed out, due to some difference in the method of rounding/integering.

And that second formula you posted would not produce the same result as the first one.

interesting. thanks CF. It was just because I remebered reading azzers round start suggestion etc. in wiki once, now in manual

Azzer wrote: The first 5 land I stick to trees due to the low number of gardeners & harvesters needed to handle them. I use all spare cash to buy tree seeds (which I then grow) from the supply depot, to try and get my land full as quickly as possible. Once my first 5 land is full, I start selling plants for profit and expanding from there - trying to be sure to maintain a high harvester count for maximum night-time efficiency. I'll aim for a good balance of land later to lessen the effects of the exponential seed growth system, and give me good seasonal boosters all-round.

so woundered if the values you used you noitced to be affected by exponential seed growth and how much land of one type you can buy, before the accuracry of your start spreadsheet begins to fall off.

13-10-2011, 12:05 PM	#31
Elderveld Official Helper Head Gardener Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arnhem Posts: 460	Obv he is doing something rite in that time money well spent __________________

13-10-2011, 02:58 PM	#33
CFalcon Official Helper Tree Surgeon Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kent UK Posts: 657	I don't know if it's wise to be releasing this considering how accurate it is, but meh, I put alot of eff into it so it might as well get used. Not hugely user-friendly, but it does fully simulate the first 12 hours. http://www.sendspace.com/file/o9j0z2 The big "Click Here To Download" at the top is an advert. Actual link is down the page. Similar to Steve's thing, in that it's an excel file with values only applicable to clear weather in spring, and no fail-safes for idiots. If you sell more seeds than you have and end up with more money than is realistically possible, or change values in blocks that they key at the top says you mustn't change, or can't work out what TS/BS/FS/GS means, it's your fault for being retarded. Also, even though this is an excel file, I only have OpenOffice, so I have no idea if it actually works in MS-Excel. I've got a feeling that conditional logic and highlighting might work differently in Excel. __________________ Moose-Samurai-Sadomasochism-Judgement-Tsunami-Leftovers-TheGovernment-Spiderpig-AverageJoes-Redemption-Salacious-KHaoS-Inimical-Chance-Enmity-KHaoS-NOMW-dRage Quit-Kleptomaniacs -Al'Tuin-TBA-PW-HeartCollectors Lords of The North/Le Loup des Mers of Imperieuse/General Craufurd of the Light Division/The 95th Rifles/Darkshine/The Old Man of the Mountains/MK Ultra/Jarl Ragnar/Wyrd bid ful araed/Ultima Ratio Regum/Winter Is Coming/Forth Eorlingas/Now for Wrath. Now For Ruin Last edited by CFalcon; 18-10-2011 at 02:37 PM.

14-10-2011, 01:31 PM	#36
Elderveld Official Helper Head Gardener Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arnhem Posts: 460	It looks verry hard but after a while its starting to get a bit easy'r now still testing! looks nice though! __________________

14-10-2011, 02:33 PM	#38
Dimitar Landscape Designer Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,619	Starts don't matter. Cya __________________ "That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die."

18-10-2011, 05:51 AM	#42
atsanjose Super Moderator Landscape Designer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands, Brabant Posts: 1,442	my round start simulator is 100% correct. shame i can only use it once every 2,5 months __________________ Don't ask me why I smoke, I don't know. But I drink to get drunk, yep... I tried baking a pie on your flame, but it just wasn't hot enough.

14-10-2011, 11:48 AM	#34
willymchilybily Landscape Designer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: uk Posts: 1,314	it wants me to install some software to be able to download your software... i am skeptical. buys private world instead

14-10-2011, 02:08 PM	#37
Iamsmart Landscape Designer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,487	lol cool people find starts this interesting who wants me to come back for the first 10 hours to CHALLENGE MY UNDEFEATED RECORD?!?! PS: DarkSider's thing rocks tho i dont think Steve's link in that thread works anymore.

18-10-2011, 12:10 AM	#41
willymchilybily Landscape Designer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: uk Posts: 1,314	like your simulator. enfuriated by having to do everything myself keep putting formula in the first few boxes ticks to fill the maximum acres/buy the maximum harvs, whilst balancing the gardeners needed. how accurate are you values as you mentioned that in your original post. does it predict things pretty well? i assume things like, bush plants produced from seeds using formula like =INT(H24+H281000.8999) is because the excel u used or time you did it you didnt realise you can use ROUNDDOWN((H24+H281000.9),0) and is accurate. but other things like the amouint of seeds a tree plant produce INT(C11+10+S19*3.45338889)) that value/constant is obviously going to change after a certain number of acres. which is key to optimising the round start. switching to bush from tree etc. at the right time. and to flower too. when does the rate of return of tree/bush deminish to a point its worth filling other acres and buying more harvs?. Is this value you use based on round start values or later in the round values is that when you allready have 100 acres of bush you get that return in tree. Does the exponential return of seeds kicks in after x acres, or is it from the very start.... anyway any insight into that if you have any or your simulators accuracy. how many ticks in does it begin to become inaccurate?

18-10-2011, 12:29 PM	#43
Kuda Official Helper Pruner Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 96	Must say interesting thread, haven't actually followed any of the links mainly because I'm too lazy but in concept I think it could be useful for some people who consistently have trouble with their starts. Although I think again this is mostly due to them missing ticks, making errors in buying troops at the wrong time, planting at the wrong time, buying land in afternoon instead of harvs, etc so unfortunately without writing a bot to play the round for them I'm not sure how much it will help I'll watch the round start from a distance this round however and for those with public IDs I'll try see if there is any sign of improvement in their round starts. Hopefully some of you will be a bit higher in rank at the start as I won't be hogging one of those top ranks this round also not sure if Polo and Martin will be playing the start either this round, they said they weren't last round but still did anyway so you never know... hehe Oh and Dimi you really should look at them links __________________ "If you love something, let it go. If it doesn't return; hunt it down, and kill it." PureEvil TerraHawks Angels Shadows Core Antipodean Ashes Grass 653,765,382,851 <-- :-D [12:18:42] <+Polo> that's cos I'm a moron [11:12:25] <Polo> nm I'm dumb