Remove attacking rule.

[Chewie]

Ok I feel that the rule where you cannot attack somebody whos has 10 acres or less should be removed. With the increase in the amount of ways to gain funds which isn't gardening I feel that this change is necessary.

Ok here is my logic behind removing this rule. People are able to sit on 5-9 acres without fear of being attacked and purchase game cash to initiate a start. They then have 3 other options to gain funds. Which are; Plant thieves, seed theives and Bounty hunting. Yes all of these tactics are legitimate however the bounty hunting is very abusable to gain extra cash. Seed theives can be hauled at people at 40% to gain lots of free funds and same for plant thieves.

This effectively means someone can purchase this huge amount of game cash which has been given out over the past two weeks. resulting in someone have 5-9 acres with 4 bill score from the past two purchases. Then they are able to send gardeners or other units to a route which they are poor against only take 1 or 2 gardies as he cant be attacked. bounty is then in affect he attacks and boom free funds.

What is the actual function of this rule? 15% of 5-10 acres ranges from .75 to 1.5 acres either way you get 1 acre which is the same as hitting at 11 acres. The min reason this has come to mind is because this is far far far far too abusable and unfair /me points at rank 2 BH as he cannot be killed and currently can have a party with all the robo players.

This rule needs to be changed or something in effect needs to be sacrificed to remove this abusable system.

[f0xx]

Last round I saw someone who was at 4-5 bln score and I wasn't able to attack him because he didn't have enough acres! One needs to have above 12 so that others can attack him I believe, I might be wrong tho.

So this guy had seed thieves and that was his way of gaining funds... its just rediculous...

[Davs]

Given the circumstances for Chewie's suggestion, I agree completely. As it is so easy to grow without land, I see no reason why people can't be targetted by other players by being allowed to take advantage of a flawed system.

[Dukey]

me points at the rank 1 BH and says
"yay, go him!!"
and he only bought 10 creds just to get seed thieves, then he began his little killing spree :)
;)

[vlad]

Thats impressive .... quite impressive.... i must admit .. finding an exploit like that is sweet. and no need for humvees ... as you dont need LET flack :D

[f0xx]

OMG there is actually someone abusing 2 weak sides of the system. That guy should be locked for sure.

[Dukey]

Locked?
tad harsh, what is he doing wrong?

[f0xx]

You know what "he" is doing wrong you [censored]. People like you ruin the game.

[Dukey]

by doing something i find quite fun i ruin the game. :( guess i should quit now

[Dukey]

The "Enemies" page lists upto 15 players who have done damage to you through stealing land, killing units, or bribing units. This includes players who have directly attacked you, players who you have attacked, and players who have defended against you in your attacks.

guess im ok then :)

[vlad]

Dont worry dukey, i'm sure something will change for it .. won't last long now that Dukey has been found out ...

And yeah you are abusing a rule that basically applies to the beginning of the round ...

I can see it now

"Goverment Land farmers have ran out of room to stash the land. They have found a knew base to drop it of"
You have been rewarded 15 land from the Goverment land farmers ...

:D

[Souls]

Or we could just make it so they can be attacked by default once they hit 200mil score. If they have that much score they're bound to have more than 10 land. :P

[dafe]

Or we could just make it so they can be attacked by default once they hit 200mil score. If they have that much score they're bound to have more than 10 land. :P
that would be my idea as well...not just land based but also score based, so you cant have a guy with 5bil score and only 9 land

[Bobbin]

This effectively means someone can purchase this huge amount of game cash which has been given out over the past two weeks.

It's no more than other rounds...

I think we should just leave it how it is.

I see absolutely no abuse here. Just a person playing the game in a different way.

Well done!

Hope you win the bounty hunting :)

[f0xx]

This effectively means someone can purchase this huge amount of game cash which has been given out over the past two weeks.

I see absolutely no abuse here. Just a person playing the game in a different way.

Well done!

I can't believe you said that.

First he abuses the bounty system, then he abuses the "land needed to attack someone limit" thingie thus changing completely the balance of his route. Jeez, I am glad seed thieves didn't exist back when DarkSider was a bounty hunter... now that would be just brutal.

[CountZepplin]

I see absolutely no abuse here. Just a person playing the game in a different way.
Besides the fact he can't be attacked?

[Bobbin]

So? It's not abuse. It's using game mechanics to your advantage. If he was doing something that SHOULDN'T be allowed by game mechanics, then it would be abuse. But as the game allows you to do it, it's completely valid tactics.

[Nonny]

So? It's not abuse. It's using game mechanics to your advantage. If he was doing something that SHOULDN'T be allowed by game mechanics, then it would be abuse. But as the game allows you to do it, it's completely valid tactics.

I agree he's not done anything wrong. He's using the rules as they are. To punish him for that would be unfair.

However, his cleverness has perhaps thrown up something unintended and it should be changed AFTER this round is finished with no penalties for those with the brains to spot a hole. No-one's game is being hurt. To miss out on the bounty hunting no. 1 spot to this clever this ploy is no shame. :D

[dafe]

But as the game allows you to do it, it's completely valid tactics.
the game also lets you make multiple accounts, so that aint abusing/cheating either? then lets bring on the multis to landfarm! :roll:

[Charlie_B]

But as the game allows you to do it, it's completely valid tactics.
the game also lets you make multiple accounts, so that aint abusing/cheating either? then lets bring on the multis to landfarm! :roll:

One is clearly prohibited in the EULA, the other is clearly allowed.
Dukey is cheating as much as Darksider 'cheated' by 'exploiting' exp to make his units extremely strong, as much as lots of people 'cheated' when Cyborg Gards first came out because they were extremely powerful flak.

I remember one round Wali tried to lose all his land so that he'd have all his units and be unattackable. It didn't work because once you have over a certain amount of one acre you can't lose any more in it, but it was a genius idea. Bounty Hunting clearly needs to be re-evaluated, the current system is badly flawed, but if Dukey has managed to fight himself all the way up with such a huge constraint then I say good for him. He's obviously not breaking any rules.

Having said that, I agree with the suggestion as atm it makes game cash too abusable. Perhaps remove the limit once a player raises into the top 50% of the ranks?

[mrmongo]

someone finds a clever idea and its abuse? i think only cause you didnt think of it and are jealous! yeah i was a bit annoyed when i couldnt bribe his rpg but i got over it and found another target... Fortunately i wont be a target for his rpg so happy days.... i think though he should be hitting them gay bunker players,, why not get some chums and do the same thing en mass rpg, unattackably kill them bunker n00bs. Saying he cant do that is like sayiing people who use tractors are abusing the system, etc... grow some balls! stop being a woman

[Chewie]

This effectively means someone can purchase this huge amount of game cash which has been given out over the past two weeks.

It's no more than other rounds...

I think we should just leave it how it is.

I see absolutely no abuse here. Just a person playing the game in a different way.

Well done!

Hope you win the bounty hunting :)

erm no, the amount of gamecash has increased significantly over the past few rounds. and its much cheaper per BC. The injury system isn't there for abuse in this way and hence why the change is needed. I feel no need to need to leave such a huge hole in the system.

And lets not turn this into a flame as to whether dukey has done anything wrong or not because he hasn't at all. It's a blatantly flawed system which is being abused. Azzers fault for not fully ironing out the bugs. Dukey deserves no punishment whatsoever for it however i feel this bounty hunting etc. needs a re-design or to be removed.

[willymchilybily]

i think hes done amazingly well. go dukey. and i agree with bobbin. hes done nothing wrong. i think a change to the bounty system is preferable to alterations to anything else.

i think its more people are annoyed that rpg can decimate the robo. and hes able to buy solely rpgs if he desires. as he has no need to balance his route defensively.

i think the fact that anyone has the option to use this play style means there is nothing wrong with it. it just shows bounty is abuseable.

perhaps a limit say that you can gain 100% of the value of the amount of men you lost. plus up to 50%. unless they are bigger than you then this becomes 50% *(thiere score/your score). that way you cant send one gardener and go off killing the person who killed your 1 gardener wiping him out and making money.

heres an example of my bounty idea
[hidden:1patmsij]i send one garderner to some one 200% of my score it dies i can gain £2,200 + (£2,200*0.5(200/100)=£4,400

or i get raped by some one 3*my score. maybe a vamp killing an sa. loose 1billion worth of troops
so decide to get even by sending a mob as hes recalling/returning from another target such that i middle tick him

£1,000,000,000 +([upto]£1,000,000,000 *0.5*(300/100)) = £2,500,000,000

or attacking some one smaller than me. who maybe i attacked before with pure flack. with some bounty for killing flack lets say he killed 220bill worth of my flack so i decide to claim bounty.
because hes smaller than me for (worst case scinario 30%) i can gain

[£220,000,000 + up to (£220,000,000 0.5*(100/30))] all multiplied by facter F which is for repeat attacking and attacking bellow 80% etc = [£253,000,000*F]
note F will be bellow 1[/hidden:1patmsij]

[Dukey]

for anyone who belives i send one garderner, get a grip lol, due to mistakes / the streph of robos, i have to send almost 150 bill units before i get some1 on my bounty list, that and being mixed with no permanent income (baring the 417 mill i make a day :p) may mean i find myself in a tricky spot soon

[atsanjose]

for anyone who belives i send one garderner, get a grip lol, due to mistakes / the streph of robos, i have to send almost 150 bill units before i get some1 on my bounty list, that and being mixed with no permanent income (baring the 417 mill i make a day :p) may mean i find myself in a tricky spot soon

when you zero yourself you go and attack few players with only seeds...

that got me a steady income of 200-400bill each day

[vlad]

Abuse it is ... its giving an unfair advantage with Game Cash ... which azzer said it wouldnt. Aye its in a different context, but its still an abuse.

Game cash can be purchased if you start late, jhees, ive started late and done it, but not like this.

End of the day ... NO ONE should be unattackable, bar ID 1. Thats the way it is. Just because he found an exploit/something we havent seen before, doesnt mean it cant be changed. Like f0xx said .. imagine this with Bounty hunting. He could rush the Rank 1 .. do shitlotss of damage (say rank 1 is Robo/Striker) and not be countered.

Doesnt have to spend ANY money on any defensive routes, doesnt need harvestors .. ignored half of the game mechanics.

Stuff like Cyborg Gardeners were i believe a live test, they find a flaw, and it gets corrected. We have seen tweaks and nerfs all over the place for ages. SAs AD being reduced (**** they were OP), Apaches Init being reduced and god knows how many tweaks to Fantasy Route since thats been life, and **** .. i even tested that pre-release.

Something not being done .. tbh, is unfair ... Bushtarion Credits were never there to make this advantage. The purchase Routes arent a "must have" (some say SAs TLs are .. but u can play without).
But being able to do this, aye admitably with some skill/activity with BCs, is Abuse of the system.

Conrats to finding the abuse, but as we all know, all games have abuses that get fixed, live or not.

[Azzer]

There will be a fix made to the bounty system to help prevent this, and I agree that the 10 land rule is probably just not necessary these days - at any ranks where it would actually matter to protect people, lethals aren't going to be bothering them anyway... so the 10 land rule doesn't really protect anybody at all, while it does offer room for abuse.

[Chewie]

thanks for reading azzer and really appretiate a response. Thank you

[vlad]

The same guy, as we know who it is now ... i just want to clear something as im not sure how this bounty system works.

Are we allowed to suicide men at a target, cheap flack say .. over and over again .. to gain a bounty, then send a LET attack, and get that bounty back?
If you look at the person in Question, its there ..
Just want to know the rules on that said tactic, as im unsure.

[pinpower]

lol i think its funny that he has done so well, i also think it should be kept the way it is now...all this whining for one player out of hundreds...

i also think its funny people are *****ing about it...he hasnt done anything wrong, hasnt cheated or "abused" anything...

good on ya dukey!

[Turnip2k]

Stop having a go at the guy people. He found a loophole, and he was smart enough to exploit it. The exploit may not be possible in the future (will be patched up), but for now he is doing absoloutely nothing wrong and playing totally by the rules.

[vlad]

lol i think its funny that he has done so well, i also think it should be kept the way it is now...all this whining for one player out of hundreds...

i also think its funny people are smeg-head about it...he hasnt done anything wrong, hasnt cheated or "abused" anything...

good on ya dukey!

There will be a fix made to the bounty system to help prevent this, and I agree that the 10 land rule is probably just not necessary these days - at any ranks where it would actually matter to protect people, lethals aren't going to be bothering them anyway... so the 10 land rule doesn't really protect anybody at all, while it does offer room for abuse.

That says he abused :D

And Turnip2k, im not moaning at him, i asked a general Query that i found on him, and probaly others doing so. As there is rules against similar things, wasnt sure if this is one of them, wanted another Vets personal/gaming opinion on it :D

[cervantes]

There is only one thing i have to say: Muahahahahahahahaaa!

I cant stop laughing, this guy is a genius!
Sure, the game mechanic shouldnt allow such a play style, and it definitely has to be fixed (and will be), but apart from that: AWESOME!

And there I am, thinking I have seen everything possible in the game, and then i stumble over this thread. Wow, very impressive to come up with such an idea. I would have never ever thought of something like this. And he was NOT cheating, he was merely finding a loop hole in the game mechanics and used it to his benefit, nothing else.

Kudos Dukey, respect and well done, you made my day :)

[Polo]

There is only one thing i have to say: Muahahahahahahahaaa!

I cant stop laughing, this guy is a genius!
Sure, the game mechanic shouldnt allow such a play style, and it definitely has to be fixed (and will be), but apart from that: AWESOME!

And there I am, thinking I have seen everything possible in the game, and then i stumble over this thread. Wow, very impressive to come up with such an idea. I would have never ever thought of something like this. And he was NOT cheating, he was merely finding a loop hole in the game mechanics and used it to his benefit, nothing else.

Kudos Dukey, respect and well done, you made my day :)
Agreed 100%. I was going to post something similar but couldn't be bothered. :P

[djownz]

[range] 69,963,606 hostile RPG Trooper attacked, killing 41,117,270 allied staff.
[range] 6,991,420 hostile Sniper attacked, killing 21,213,455 allied staff.
[range] 3,341,535 allied Cybernetic Warrior attacked, killing 2,860,501 hostile staff.

Died: 2,860,501 [£155,441,685,000] enemies dead. 62,330,725 [£2,580,652,423,000] friendlies dead.

You gained 630,523 effectiveness.
Your staff had an average injury rate of 62.22% for all deaths in this battle.


even I admit he's a genious.

[Cheese]

It's not exactly a hard thing to do... and not exactly skillful either...

[roger rabbit]

and wait till he does it to you that are praising him. see if you come back here still saying he's a genious :D

but yeah...i agree...it's great loophole that he is exploiting. but not one that wasnt overlooked by other players. others noticed it as well but didnt do anything on the kind of scale dukey is doing.

i would like to know dukey, how much money are you making a day?

[atsanjose]

:respekt:

all there is to say!

[Cheese]

:respekt:

all there is to say!

Respect for a pussy? :P

[atsanjose]

i always respect my pussys....

back on topic

hell yeah kudos for the idea, i hope youll get big enough to annoy jizz a bit :D

ps: cheese? jealous?:P

[Darryl]

Azzer has answered the topic, there's nothing further of use to say on this, locked to prevent yet more spam.