Redemption :D

[DarkSider]

As i didn't had a chance to post in the other thread because 2 kids and a moderator i'll post here :D

You guys are weak and a bunch of pussyes imo :P As f0xx very well said in his tips for playing bushtarion you won't be remembered for any rank you think of achieving, but for how you play.
Look at twigs ally last round - majority think of it as a weak political win, they didn't had the balls to do anything else than attack 2:1 at all times using the name of resistance when the attacks where aimed mostly at an ex rank 1 valuation or one that was just too little in front to justify teaming of ranks 2 and 3 against them. Sure they won, their members portalled high and got that mighty couple days of glory. However if you ask me:
Who won round 19? / Who was the highest solo player in round 20 ? Who came 3rd player in valuation in round 21 and so on i have no clue :D Ranks don't make history. Stop playing like pussyes for a rank 2 valuation beeing in Jizz's shadow and get out and fight !

[Lukey]

Eventually someone speak sense :)

**Stands up and cheers**

[07:47] <Lukey> i love you
[07:47] <Lukey> we should make babys
[07:48] <Lukey> they would rock

enough said.

All i can say is if JJ is happy with rank 2 and being used as let flak then thats his choice, but it explains why he hasnt won before.

[f0xx]

Ehm... my oppinion might seem strange, but its mine so hey, I will shoot it up.

If JJ have something up his mind, thing like taking care of RT and then fighting one on one with Jizz later on, I think its okay. He has the full right to do as he wants. Its quite obvious that RT has the most skill this round, which does not automatically mean that they will get victory, even if you look back like 50% of the rounds have been won by "not the most skilled ally of the round". Teaming up against the "strong" guys will always be a trend, no matter how small the strong guys are..., BUT remember that you WILL have to face Jizz at some point even if you don't want to (hope you get what I mean). I just hope you know what you are doing and all this ass licking wont be in vain... such a strategy gets you a good rank but for a short time...

[Rama]

I´m gonna post because I´m tired of all this moaning, etc, its already annoying.

First of all dunno why everyone underestimate Redemption, they have been up there public since the begining, not even RT(aparently the skilled ally and with "names" although half of them I dont know them) was public on the begining and RT waved alot of times Rede even before we start working together but Rede stood up and was all the time there ,never falled.
Second Rede had to choose who to join with to fight wich ally, And as last round Twigley made alot of enemies + most of Pest-Enigma members were distributed between Jizz and Rede made things easier. Then DS about your post you are not the indicated to post anything, as you were the one that started all this and now you complain?(kinda funny thou).

Then Fox about skilled players, nowdays Skill is overrated , its all about activity and contactability.


Then ofc there will be a fight in the top, and the time will tell what happen. The difference between rank 1 and rank 2 it is insignificant.

[dafe]

funny to see a guy thats part of the bunker group calls ppl weak and a bunch of pussies, if theres 1 group of ppl weak in this game its the 'continuesly attacking lowbees for land, preferable with more then 1 at a time' bunker guys

[Melnibone]

First of all this was a long time coming any alliance that has a core that wins the previous round will be the main target, no amount of propaganda on the forums will alter this its happened to better groups than RedTube and it will happen again, it happened to Angelas group, BlackWolfs group the Dutchies in fact every major group to have been successful the fact last rounds win was achieved so politically and always 2 v1 only makes it more relentless as any let up by the other allies in their opinion will allow Twigleys guys to 'manouvre politically'

To the second point about bunkers attacking together hell yeah allied players can attack with 19 other players with at this stage a full complement of maxed out lethals but heaven forbid more than 2-3 of the imba ezzmode bunker crew get together and mass you poor sorry souls with flak ninja and cloners????

Yes getting bashed to the ground sucks but remember people have their own agendas, be like the Dutchies who this happened to every round and they still won on value you have the players and the quality to do it so instead of whining get back to winning and dafe grow up and stop being such a bitter little boy if you wanna complain about being massed by ninjas rofl make your own thread

[DarkSider]

Then DS about your post you are not the indicated to post anything, as you were the one that started all this and now you complain?(kinda funny thou).

Hell yes i wanted twig to taste how it feels to be attacked 2:1 (or more :D) while he doesn't have the almighty army from the last round. We jumped on him, stole some 40k acres from his 140k and killed alot. What i'm pissed off about is JJ playing the very same game as Podunk last round. Instead thinking at their own good they choose to play for hate, let themselfs used by their last round friends. This is a new round, old friends are this round enemies and viceversa, get over old grudges and old friendships and play for your alliance enjoyement.

[Rama]

Then DS about your post you are not the indicated to post anything, as you were the one that started all this and now you complain?(kinda funny thou).

Hell yes i wanted twig to taste how it feels to be attacked 2:1 (or more :D) while he doesn't have the almighty army from the last round. We jumped on him, stole some 40k acres from his 140k and killed alot. What i'm pissed off about is JJ playing the very same game as Podunk last round. Instead thinking at their own good they choose to play for hate, let themselfs used by their last round friends. This is a new round, old friends are this round enemies and viceversa, get over old grudges and old friendships and play for your alliance enjoyement.



Fair enough. Although you still underestimating Redemption as ally(dunno why), but I suppose you will have your reasons to do that.

[DarkSider]

funny to see a guy thats part of the bunker group calls ppl weak and a bunch of pussies, if theres 1 group of ppl weak in this game its the 'continuesly attacking lowbees for land, preferable with more then 1 at a time' bunker guys

Haha this post it's really funny :D
I'd plade guilty if :
- we'd be the only ones attacking under our own valuation
- we'd be the only ones resending on weak targets
- we'd be the only ones sending more attackers on 1 tick

However all of those are valid tactics used by EVERYBODY. Bunkers have flak/ninja/cloners etc weak armies so they can't take on a very strong oponent, we adapt to our routes. If you stop for a second and think who is "continuesly attacking lowbees for land, preferable with more then 1 " you'd laugh your ass off :D

[f0xx]

RT(aparently the skilled ally and with "names" although half of them I dont know them)

Who you? (rhetorical question, no need to reply, I hope you got my point, I highly doubt though)



Then Fox about skilled players, nowdays Skill is overrated , its all about activity and contactability.

Oh rele? I didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me. (sarcasm)


Arrogance is not your friend, nor is ignorance. If you don't know someone then atleast don't shout it out publically just to make yourself look like better player (leader), it might shoot back.

We all know that you want to keep Redemption on your side till the threat of Twigley's is gone, atleast try to hide your intentions from time to time. You could have fought RT one on one, just for once to throw sand in people's eyes.

[Rama]

RT(aparently the skilled ally and with "names" although half of them I dont know them)

Who you? (rhetorical question, no need to reply, I hope you got my point, I highly doubt though)



Then Fox about skilled players, nowdays Skill is overrated , its all about activity and contactability.

Oh rele? I didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me. (sarcasm)


Arrogance is not your friend, nor is ignorance. If you don't know someone then atleast don't shout it out publically just to make yourself look like better player (leader), it might shoot back.

We all know that you want to keep Redemption on your side till the threat of Twigley's is gone, atleast try to hide your intentions from time to time. You could have fought RT one on one, just for once to throw sand in people's eyes.




You said they were the skilled ally of the round, and you prolly never played with most of them and incase you did you saying the rest of the players on the top allys have no skills. You basing your information in prolly just on the names you heard, I just said I didnt know most of them thats why I dont give my opinion about it. So you are the ignorant.

Then why fight 1vs1 against RT when I can fight 2vs1? and dont tell me because of honour, Honour is overated nowdays, doesnt exist anymore. You can see it as you like, but we just working together to kill an enemy in common.

[antisback]

This is like the panoply round all over again o.O

Everyone just decided to hate panoply because one ally spammed the forums about them.


Lukey you should be ashamed of yourself, the personal abuse you've hurled at my ally mates is ridiculous, you should butt out and fight your wars properly, At least we fight our wars the traditional way, with numbers, not with extremely cheap and dirty tactic, you lot don't even know some of the dirty tactics they've been pulling, why? because we keep our mouth shut and don't winge at everyone on the forums and gpols

You guys are just another bunch of average joes and avalanche just with more activity so keep quiet and fight this war like men...

[Lukey]

RT(aparently the skilled ally and with "names" although half of them I dont know them)

Who you? (rhetorical question, no need to reply, I hope you got my point, I highly doubt though)



Then Fox about skilled players, nowdays Skill is overrated , its all about activity and contactability.

Oh rele? I didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me. (sarcasm)


Arrogance is not your friend, nor is ignorance. If you don't know someone then atleast don't shout it out publically just to make yourself look like better player (leader), it might shoot back.

We all know that you want to keep Redemption on your side till the threat of Twigley's is gone, atleast try to hide your intentions from time to time. You could have fought RT one on one, just for once to throw sand in people's eyes.




You said they were the skilled ally of the round, and you prolly never played with most of them and incase you did you saying the rest of the players on the top allys have no skills. You basing your information in prolly just on the names you heard, I just said I didnt know most of them thats why I dont give my opinion about it. So you are the ignorant.

You don't have to play with people to know they are skilled... Where did he say the rest had no skills ?

He said in gernal RT have the must skilled players player for player than any other ally going for the win. How does that make him ignorant? Surely you are for not noticing all the skilled players :o

[Lukey]

This is like the panoply round all over again o.O

Everyone just decided to hate panoply because one ally spammed the forums about them.


Lukey you should be ashamed of yourself, the personal abuse you've hurled at my ally mates is ridiculous, you should butt out and fight your wars properly, At least we fight our wars the traditional way, with numbers, not with extremely cheap and dirty tactic, you lot don't even know some of the dirty tactics they've been pulling, why? because we keep our mouth shut and don't winge at everyone on the forums and gpols

You guys are just another bunch of average joes and avalanche just with more activity so keep quite and fight this war like men...

Who are you? I said you wanted to be a dustbin man thats really personal abuse... You should be ashamed you cant play a game properly and you chat crap. We do fight our wars properly its been showing on the battlefield so far no ?

Look at some brs from last 8 hours and then come back.

[Rama]

RT(aparently the skilled ally and with "names" although half of them I dont know them)

Who you? (rhetorical question, no need to reply, I hope you got my point, I highly doubt though)



Then Fox about skilled players, nowdays Skill is overrated , its all about activity and contactability.

Oh rele? I didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me. (sarcasm)


Arrogance is not your friend, nor is ignorance. If you don't know someone then atleast don't shout it out publically just to make yourself look like better player (leader), it might shoot back.

We all know that you want to keep Redemption on your side till the threat of Twigley's is gone, atleast try to hide your intentions from time to time. You could have fought RT one on one, just for once to throw sand in people's eyes.




You said they were the skilled ally of the round, and you prolly never played with most of them and incase you did you saying the rest of the players on the top allys have no skills. You basing your information in prolly just on the names you heard, I just said I didnt know most of them thats why I dont give my opinion about it. So you are the ignorant.

You don't have to play with people to know they are skilled... Where did he say the rest had no skills ?

He said in gernal RT have the must skilled players player for player than any other ally going for the win. How does that make him ignorant? Surely you are for not noticing all the skilled players :o


Well I expressed myself wrong,he not telling the rest has no skills, he just saying the other allys are less skilled when he prolly dont know most of them. And I think you need to play with players to know how good they are, there might be a few exceptions(1 or 2) but I have learned that after being dissapointed by players

[Subdivisions]

This is like the panoply round all over again o.O

At least we fight our wars the traditional way, with numbers, not with extremely cheap and dirty tactic, you lot don't even know some of the dirty tactics they've been pulling, why? because we keep our mouth shut and don't winge at everyone on the forums and gpols

You guys are just another bunch of average joes and avalanche just with more activity so keep quiet and fight this war like men...

Dirty tactics? Please enlighten me.

Let me give you a lesson on dirty tactics.

It starts out that we get constant incoming every 1.5 - 2 hours (from Redemption and Jizz) for more then 48 hours straight. Then, with a day or 2 break, they start up again....and this has been going on for over a week now. It's a bit ridiculous that I have to scroll down for 5 minutes every time I refresh, just so I can get passed all the red and see who's online.

Really, that's all fine and dandy, part of a war game, and I can live with that. But, when we actually attempt to go on the offensive and do some payback to Redemption, guess who is right there to attack us? Jizz and their evil STDs.

We are trying to fight 2 alliances bigger then us, and they won't even let us do it properly, 1v1.

Lame.

Rama, is it really that hard to sit back and let Redemption and ourselves fight it out??? Or is it that after being battered for a week, you think we are still a huge threat to you guys, and so you attack us out of fear? :shock:

[Jiggy]

edited not worth it

[antisback]

And assisted you in bashing us, we do not ask ds to send, he merely piggy's because thats the way the bunkers have to play.

The first hits were resistance, this is no different, this will not be another legends round, we're not going to just land rape you and leave you with your troops, we're going to do the job properly.

O and subdivisions, how about sending someone on irc to impersonate one of our members to gain access to our chan to gain information on us... Now i'm no expert but isn't that a G-Line under netgamers rules?....

O and lukey [Edit - The spoiler is appreciated, but you still can't post such language on the forum - Charlie]

[harriergirl]

*Please let this be stated I am posting as a matter of fact not out of bitterness or preference to any ally*

As soon as spies were out. Redemption + Jizz + bunkers started with the waves.. on 8-11 of our players at a time. We fought like hell but there is only so much you can stop with round the clock 3-4 attacker on 8 players at a time. If you doubt this.. then please accept that we were rank 3 in points simply because of our effectiveness for almost 2 days. Redtube may have hit us once as an ally. But mostly I think we only got randoms from them.

The point is . Never once have Jizz attacked alone. Always with Redemption to flank them. You can justify Redtube with revenge? How to justify the bashing Redemption got? Or the bashing we received? We aren't playing ftw , we don't care who wins.Bashing and waving are valid tactics. I'm all for going for the throat, But the tactics used this round are by far some of the most ruthless I've seen in years. Blame the game ? Blame the playerbase ? Who knows really,

Just the facts M'am
-Tana

[Jiggy]

edited not worth it

[antisback]

LOL!!! Our Love for beasteh cannot be measured with words, but don't talk crap jiggy, the ally banner is a joke, so don't say things like that, i though twigley led redtube not blackwolf, because only bw uses that much propoganda.

And Harrier girl, i mean no ill will to you, but you are the only targets in our range, so if we both end up hitting you alot its understandable, but i'm pretty sure we haven't coordinated anything between us against anyone cept Red Tube.

[Jiggy]

edited, not worth the effort arguing

[harriergirl]

And Harrier girl, i mean no ill will to you, but you are the only targets in our range, so if we both end up hitting you alot its understandable, but i'm pretty sure we haven't coordinated anything between us against anyone cept Red Tube.

Anti :)
I mean no disrespect as I don't even know which ally you are in but give me a moment while I stare in disbelief at such a blatant untruth :)

[DarkSider]

but how can you complain when you assisted both Rdemption and Jizz twice into bashing us?

Belive it or not even i need acres :P My complaint wasn't about Rama or Rt or anything about the original 2 vs 1 when RT was r1. Rama is playing a good political game imo, does exactly what needs to be done and that is using JJ's hate on RT so he can separate from any other competitors. When the time is right he should be able to take on Redemption and even use the cumulated hate of RT to help them. He is doing smart diplo i'm just pissed off JJ falls for it.
And just because i jump where is the free land doesn't mean i "assisted" anybody. I'm a vulture for easy acres and i'm not ashamed to say it. Afterall we are ezzmode bunkers :)

[Charlie_B]

Darksider, are you being serious here? :P
I'm not sure who's been leading you on but atm you seem like the biggest political stirrer out there!
I asked this on the other thread, and got no reply: Why are people moaning about Redemption and praising Jizz? They're completely equal in this. Edit: actually, if Jizz has been asking bunker players to join in the attacks, as has been rumoured, then they should be the ones getting all this ire...
Furthermore, i'm not sure where this idea of Redemption's attacks being motivated by hate comes from, but it's totally make believe. The only alliance that seems to be motivated by hate at the moment are RT (that's only going off logs ive seen, not direct conversation with them, so i may be misinformed), who seem to have decided to let Jizz win for no reason other than spite - and tbh it seems that you're alongside them in trying to give Jizz the win here DS :P Either that or you're simply misinformed.

[DarkSider]

I want to give Jizz the win ? :o:o
Let it be known i'm on no alliance side :P
And you are wrong if you think JJ/Redemption don't hold a personal grudge against Twig/RT.
If Redemption had a clear mind they wouldn't fall for this let's pwn everybody else and then fight it out 1:1, they would take at least a precaution and have some potential allies to go against Jizz if they loose the 1:1 war. That or just fight dirty from start :D Tho i think their main objective is not to win themselfs but keep RT low at all costs.

[Charlie_B]

a) I hang around in Redemption's IRC chan. I know what motivates them and why they're attacking as they are. RT were targetted because (as Twigley was happy to tell people at the start of the round) they have a very good lineup.
b) Some times things aren't as straightforward as they seem from afar

You still haven't explained why you're singling Redemption out for abuse?

[CountZepplin]

You said they were the skilled ally of the round, and you prolly never played with most of them and incase you did you saying the rest of the players on the top allys have no skills. You basing your information in prolly just on the names you heard, I just said I didnt know most of them thats why I dont give my opinion about it. So you are the ignorant.

Then why fight 1vs1 against RT when I can fight 2vs1? and dont tell me because of honour, Honour is overated nowdays, doesnt exist anymore. You can see it as you like, but we just working together to kill an enemy in common.
And it's words like these that mean you will never gain the respect you might otherwise deserve as a player and as a leader.

As far as players and skill, let's give an example. The only times I've played with Martin are when I was an inactive solo and when he was semi-active, or when I was an active allied player and he was inactive allied. Basically, I've never seen him in action, but that doesn't stop me from respecting him. Ironically enough, I believe the same applies to my impression of DarkSider.

[Edit - If you want to continue an off-topic argument/discussion from another thread, try pming the person instead of posting here :P - Charlie]

[Tim]

I must admit that I am puzzled at the outpouring of animosity towards Jizz & Redemption. Although I am sure that some players do dislike these two alliances, I do not see the purpose of bringing this to the forums and increasing tempers.

RedTube's original thread on this matter was merely a questioning thread. It was not a gripe though it is unfortunate that it turned into one and that this thread is going the same way.

If I am being honest, I must applaud Jizz & Redemption (and anyone else who took part) for the way they massed us during the initial huge warmode as well as their ongoing attacks. I have never seen such constant attacks over a prolonged period of time and their ability to maintain constant attacks for over 24 hours, and sporadically thereafter, shows strong commitment by their members.

The one sad thing is that the continued agreement between Jizz & Redemption and the continued attacks has resulted in the loss of our Leader and some of our members are quickly growing tired of it. Right now we have people getting no sleep and people getting just a few hours each night - my phone rang 10 times one night recently so work out yourself how awake I was the next day.

I was given a quote allegedly from a Redemption source in which it was said that they will not give up attacking us until we are below Rank 5 (valuation I presume?) I don't know how true this is however I must advise:

We are not losing heart, we will continue to fight to the last breath and if this means playing like an insomniac for the next couple of months then so be it.

[DarkSider]

Well Charlie, obviously you can't be as objective as i am, maybe a bit more informed i give you that. And reason why i think JJ is against twig/RT is simple, he said so to me and aparently even admited to RT there is a nap between them and Jizz until RT go down the ranks a little bit :P
It's usually common sense the weaker group/ally to avoid direct fight and find allies or other tactics that could turn the balance in their favour. I, as many other outsiders that can't quite compare the diference between Jizz and Redemption until the war actually happens, consider that Jizz is the superior alliance. That only looking at the suspect help from Jizz that Redemption got to deal with a smaller alliance or the amount of kills they suffered in past and present. I could be wrong, we'll see when(if) that 1:1 war will happen but until than i'm in favour of Jizz that will win :P

[antisback]

-snip-
The one sad thing is that the continued agreement between Jizz & Redemption and the continued attacks has resulted in the loss of our Leader and some of our members are quickly growing tired of it. Right now we have people getting no sleep and people getting just a few hours each night - my phone rang 10 times one night recently so work out yourself how awake I was the next day.
-snip-


To be fair your pb's players did the same thing to jj and the others.

[Souls]

I'll take this time to say that Jizz and Redemption have sent on no mutual targets outside of RedTube, nor have we contacted any other group to help us on our attacks. I can say that I personally have asked friends to help me on my own random attacks, (one of them even being in Controversy ;)) but that still doesn't mean that all of us are doing it. I'm all for the politics part of the game, but slander for the sake of slander is just underhand. :P

[CountZepplin]

I'll take this time to say that Jizz and Redemption have sent on no mutual targets outside of RedTube
Isn't it enough that you have to team up against 1 alliance smaller than both of you? What, you have to work together against the whole game before it's wrong? :lol:

[Souls]

I'll take this time to say that Jizz and Redemption have sent on no mutual targets outside of RedTube
Isn't it enough that you have to team up against 1 alliance smaller than both of you? What, you have to work together against the whole game before it's wrong? :lol:

I said we haven't attacked together on targets that aren't RedTube, ya tit :P

I'm not trying to justify the hits on RT, I'm trying to clear up what people have said in this thread. ;)

[Charlie_B]

Well Charlie, obviously you can't be as objective as i am, maybe a bit more informed i give you that. And reason why i think JJ is against twig/RT is simple, he said so to me and aparently even admited to RT there is a nap between them and Jizz until RT go down the ranks a little bit :P
It's usually common sense the weaker group/ally to avoid direct fight and find allies or other tactics that could turn the balance in their favour. I, as many other outsiders that can't quite compare the diference between Jizz and Redemption until the war actually happens, consider that Jizz is the superior alliance. That only looking at the suspect help from Jizz that Redemption got to deal with a smaller alliance or the amount of kills they suffered in past and present. I could be wrong, we'll see when(if) that 1:1 war will happen but until than i'm in favour of Jizz that will win :P

You're still coming at all this from a very anti-Redemption perspective - if you think that Jizz are the superior alliance then surely you should be calling them pussies for fighting with Redemption, not visa versa? :P
Furthermore, if Redemption and Jizz are napped - why is that proof that -Redemption- hate RT, not that Jizz do? Why jump to the conclusion that it's about hate at all? Maybe ive just missed it, but i've not heard anyone in Redemption talking about how they hate anyone...

It seems to me that Redemption and Jizz decided to attack RT together because they thought they were the biggest threat, and they've decided to continue fighting then until RT aren't a threat. So hat e them both, or love them both, whatever, but picking on just one of them doesn't make much sense to me.

[alexx]

The one sad thing is that the continued agreement between Jizz & Redemption and the continued attacks has resulted in the loss of our Leader and some of our members are quickly growing tired of it. Right now we have people getting no sleep and people getting just a few hours each night - my phone rang 10 times one night recently so work out yourself how awake I was the next day.



lol. Sorry if your not getting any sleep. Lol.

[[chef]]

well RT started the war :shock:
RT hit first, started rushes :x
RT gets what came to them :P

why dont RT go back to private, :?:


this game is about bashing and fighting (well use to be (Landcap FTW)) and coming back online to find yourself 0ed, maybe most rt members dont know what that feels like until now, well i have to say u cant always be score Queens, u are all on here crying cuz u cant be the Queens, i say get over it, and go your different ways jizz and Redem will kill u until u go away, u want to rush us, fine we kill u! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DarkSider]

if you think that Jizz are the superior alliance then surely you should be calling them pussies for fighting with Redemption, not visa versa? :P

It's usually common sense the weaker group/ally to avoid direct fight and find allies or other tactics that could turn the balance in their favour.

-snip-

If Redemption had a clear mind they wouldn't fall for this let's pwn everybody else and then fight it out 1:1, they would take at least a precaution and have some potential allies to go against Jizz if they loose the 1:1 war. That or just fight dirty from start :D Tho i think their main objective is not to win themselfs but keep RT low at all costs.

I don't have much of a reason to call Jizz pussies :P Sure they are not attacking Redemption right now when it would be so much better to take out any bit of resistance that could be formed after the war but imo that's a good tactical play (for now).


Furthermore, if Redemption and Jizz are napped - why is that proof that -Redemption- hate RT, not that Jizz do? Why jump to the conclusion that it's about hate at all? Maybe ive just missed it, but i've not heard anyone in Redemption talking about how they hate anyone...

And reason why i think JJ is against twig/RT is simple, he said so to me

I don't think it's anything bad if Jizz also hate RT, but imho JJ/Redemption should leave past feelings behind and play for themselfs. I'm not the right person to tell them how to play their round, their leader probably should do it, i just post my opinion on the matter :)


It seems to me that Redemption and Jizz decided to attack RT together because they thought they were the biggest threat, and they've decided to continue fighting then until RT aren't a threat.

Yeah but again my humble opinion is that Jizz decided for both of them that RT is their comun threat and are using Redemption for the time beeing against them. Leaving past behind and whatever feelings JJ and other member might have got from the petrol rushes i'm pretty sure they would turn against Jizz asap. Thing is, they do almost the same mistake as Enigma last round. Give too much credit to the passive alliance and hate to death those who had balls to attack 1:1. (even tho Jizz wasn't as passive as Interlude last round about this time but it is a decent comparation)

[Cyrus]

-snip-
The one sad thing is that the continued agreement between Jizz & Redemption and the continued attacks has resulted in the loss of our Leader and some of our members are quickly growing tired of it. Right now we have people getting no sleep and people getting just a few hours each night - my phone rang 10 times one night recently so work out yourself how awake I was the next day.
-snip-


To be fair your pb's players did the same thing to jj and the others.

erm no because we ones we attacked were uncontactable. duh. FACTS FACTS FACTS learn them honestly.

[Cyrus]

]well RT started the war :shock:
RT hit first, started rushes :x
RT gets what came to them :P

why dont RT go back to private, :?:


this game is about bashing and fighting (well use to be (Landcap FTW)) and coming back online to find yourself 0ed, maybe most rt members dont know what that feels like until now, well i have to say u cant always be score Queens, u are all on here crying cuz u cant be the Queens, i say get over it, and go your different ways jizz and Redem will kill u until u go away, u want to rush us, fine we kill u! :lol: :lol: :lol:

another point where people should get the facts right. Redtube declared on redemption and jizz shortly after learning from our spy in redemps channel that both jizz and redemp planned on double teaming us even though we were 1-2 billion score infront. FACTS FACTS FACTS learn them?

edited: also just check out what we've done to your both. its not like we're a walk in the park, and you guys (redemption) are as darksider said being used by jizz.
to be quite honest redemption are shafted either way. they dont attack us they get owned by us and jizz they attack us and get owned by us and jizz. but saying that if you didnt team up with jizz in this big gang bang you woulda saved your reputation ;)
all this doesnt really bother me i love owning you all in defence ;)

[willymchilybily]

This is a WAR GAME

and sorry but all you whinning babies are starting to get annoying. I dont know about allies at the top all i know is im having a blast in the allie im in, but all that said.

This is a WAR game

and as the saying goes "All's fair in love and war" so these sneaky underhand tactics, sleeping with the enemy. attacking 2/3 vs 1, its all gravy, if it helps you achieve your goals, then great. And if you get incoming and can get someone else other than your alliance to counter then do it.

"the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

ofc telling the enemy you have incomming and hoping they counter your attackers and not join in is the risk you take

If it wasnt allowed azzer would stop it.
ofc he penalises it. maybe because its a over used tactic that makes the game stale and repetative or maybe because he would like those rewarded that do defy the odds and fight with all they have to the very end.
But no need to take it so personally if someone uses some dirty tactic in a war game. because after all its only a game.

[DarkSider]

I don't know to whom was addressed your post willy, but my posts are all about the lack of tactic and not any underhand tactics that might have been used. And there's no need to repeat that part with It's a war game, we heard it hundreadrs of times before. I'm not complaining that RT get bashed but Redemption letting themselfs used by Jizz, that's all. Remember Panoply ?

[willymchilybily]

probably far to generalised. every round i see it. this allaince did this. this allaince did that. no good cowards. dirty tactics. pussies. insult after insult. not a piece of nice cheeky banta to read. maybe its just me but what happened to viva la resistance. we may die but we will try to take as many of you with us.

its become so boring to read. im reading it and not even absorbing some peoples points. cant you guys argue and whine in a way that is nice to read, and wont get the thread locked. thats all im saying.

everyone is free to express thier opinion. but i just wish they could do so in a more charismatic way. inspirational. i cant side with any allaince. i pitty the one being bashed. and laugh when i think whats going to happen when this tempary alliance Coalition falls apart.

but that happens EVERY ROUND, as far as i can tell. maybe im missing the point of the posts. Its ineveitable the more active and skilled are a threat. people will side with whoever to get the job done. and be used by whoever to stay alive. and get raped by whoever if you dont rape them first. these to me are the facts of bushtarion. so cant you go about the talking and stuff in a way thats easy to follow and fun to read. so people who read it like me who have no idea whats going on and are too stupid to follow can be inspired and pick a side to support.

its like watching a boxing match. you side with some one. you may not have a clue who is who, but you side with some one. support some one. cheer them on. atm i dont know who to support. as its to boring to even follow whats going on. not enough banta. its only a game, have some fun lighten up.

I know its crushing when you put night and day into your army your allaince work so hard. and it feels there is nothing you can do to stop the waves, your just 1 man etc. the game feel unfair. but surely you must at some point go. well actually its only a game . good show lads. well done you licked us good. but soon i will exact my revenge soon. theres still lots more time to rebuild and recruit and fight. VIVA LA RESISTANCE

but no just bordem grips me now.

[Tomdz]

:roll:

RedTube complains and moans too much

[Welshie]

Fair enough. Although you still underestimating Redemption as ally(dunno why), but I suppose you will have your reasons to do that.

I think you over-estimate them try attacking them a couple of times you'll see ;)

[Tim]

:roll:

RedTube complains and moans too much

I disagree. We are about 18 hours on from Welshie's initial post in the locked thread and there have been heated posts from both sides.

A few points remain outstanding and some have been resolved, but we are just looking for clarification right now.

- Were the bunkers recruited by Jizz & Redemption to attack RedTube with them?
- Not necessarily. Individual members may have alerted the bunkers that certain attacks were happening, but it was not an official link

- Why are Jizz & Redemption still in bed together and engaging in severe warmode against RedTube, even though RedTube should not necessarily be considered a major threat?
- No answer yet.

- Why are RedTube complaining and griping about all this?
- We are not. Individuals have vented their frustration which they are entitled to do, but as an alliance our position is one of being honourable and remaining pacified in this.

- Why are certain posters accusing RedTube of simply griping rather than responding to the points at hand?
- We are unsure, though we believe it to be an attempt to get out of answering questions, as it is, after all, easier to accuse someone of griping than it is to answer questions.

[Garrett]

speaking as a bunker. i've been involved in very little. only as people tell me attacks are going on. I've not really asked or cared who it was against. I got my info from DS and usually too late to do anything.



that being said... I will attack with anyone vs anyone else. Just give me times/targets. I will share my flak and my mighty ninja (help for stealth fakes and alla that)

so both sides, I encourage you to seek me out for a flak boost. I will be happy to help.

[JJbrosandjl]

Before this, you can say that my replies were "joke replies" as I really did not want to get involved with politics. But since you guys are continuously publicly attacking me and my alliance, I feel the need to come out and stand up for Redemption.

I still start off by replying to Tim's post which containted a very important question:

Why are Jizz & Redemption still in bed together and engaging in severe warmode against RedTube, even though RedTube should not necessarily be considered a major threat?

For your information, Redtube declared war on both of us at the same time. The "was" was preceded by a bunch of rushes on our players which caused a tremendous amount of tension. We know that you might not be considered the major threat to win the round as of now. But the real question is; if you guys are low and have lots of land, why can't we work together to obtain your land? After all this is what the game has become hasn't it?

You cannot just say that our continuous warring is based on personal hate. You have absolutely no basis to say that, I don't understand where you guys are coming with with that statement. I don't hate Twigley at all, in fact we often have long conversations regarding random things :P (Not saying that he doesn't hate me ;)) When Twigley declared war on us both, we agreed to hit Twigley down below a certain rank once and for all, so we don't have to worry about them later on when we fight 1 vs 1.


Please don't talk about honour etc. If I were to backstab Rama right now, then I could be seen as a backstabber. Right now you guys only have the right to call me a mass basher, which is a title I am absolutely fine with :) And Please Redtube, don't say that we are ganging up with Jizz, Bunkers, Solos etc. Twigley accused me few days ago of getting more help, whichy I quickly proved him wrong in. When alliances attack, other alliances are bound to find out and jump in. Yesterday when RT attacked us, we have incoming from Controversy, RT, and Bunkers, but I enver even mentioned it until now, because I felt that there was no need to use propaganda.

Darksider, do not call us pussies if the round has not ended yet. If we want a good 1 vs 1 war at the end instead of the usual quabbering of alliances with the usage of propanga to gain the allegance of other top alliances and havnig a prolonged war. Might as well end all threats now and wait for a good big war, after all that's what we all want right?

Twigley repeatedly said he isn't going for value but rather EFF and points, we are giving you EFF, we are giving you points, is it not a win-win situation? :)


Thanks for your time,
JJbrosandjl


Edit: Just read f0xx's post, I think it sums it up pretty well

Ehm... my oppinion might seem strange, but its mine so hey, I will shoot it up.

If JJ have something up his mind, thing like taking care of RT and then fighting one on one with Jizz later on, I think its okay. He has the full right to do as he wants. Its quite obvious that RT has the most skill this round, which does not automatically mean that they will get victory, even if you look back like 50% of the rounds have been won by "not the most skilled ally of the round". Teaming up against the "strong" guys will always be a trend, no matter how small the strong guys are..., BUT remember that you WILL have to face Jizz at some point even if you don't want to (hope you get what I mean). I just hope you know what you are doing and all this ass licking wont be in vain... such a strategy gets you a good rank but for a short time...

[CFalcon]

I cannot believe the amount of nonsense in this thread.

1. Redtube are only 12 bil score behind Redemption at the time of this post. When you consider that they also have 48k less acres, that means they still have a huge amount of troops, enough to worry either Redemption or Jizz. Redemp and Jizz are not being vindictive, we're not picking on an alliance that is already out of it. We're still trying to finish the job. If we lay off Redtube now, they will certainly be back in a couple of days and give us hell.

2. In a fight for the top involving 3 alliances, a certain amount of teaming up is going to have to happen. Just about everyone posting in this thread has been involved in it before, so I don't see why it's suddenly so n0oby and underhand?

3. I agree with Charlie, why all the griping about Redemption and no griping about Jizz?

4. Redemption maybe are the weaker alliance, maybe they aren't. Can we let time show the truth rather than spewing insults and tenuous claims?

5. Jizz and Redemption have attacked *NOBODY OTHER THAN REDTUBE* together. There is an agreement that Redtube are the biggest threat to either of us, that is all.

6. Redemption are not being used. We are not so naive as to think that when RT are gone Jizz won't possibly come for us. We are being used by Jizz only as much as Jizz are being used by us: to take out RT.

7. Whoever made that comment about Redtube being kept up at all hours; "you reap what you sow". You don't see Redemp complaining about broken nights sleep.

8. "- Were the bunkers recruited by Jizz & Redemption to attack RedTube with them?
- Not necessarily. Individual members may have alerted the bunkers that certain attacks were happening, but it was not an official link"
Exactly Tim.

9. Redtube *please* stop saying you tried to have a 1v1 and Redemp and Jizz wouldn't let you. 1v1 was never discussed, was never an option. None of the top 3 were sending mobs at each other until RT declared war. It is *not* the case that RT and Jizz or RT and Redemp where in a state of 1v1 and then it became a 2v1. I repeat *not* the case.


Now, to put it bluntly, everyone stfu. If you think you can question any of the above points, then you know more about what has happened to me personally than I do.

EDIT: I won't be replying to quotations of me. I've had my say, I already disagree with most of Twigley's responses to me, but I won't get involved in a running argument where I have to correct everything anyone else says.

[Twigley]

I cannot believe the amount of nonsense in this thread.

1. Redtube are only 12 bil score behind Redemption at the time of this post. When you consider that they also have 48k less acres, that means they still have a huge amount of troops, enough to worry either Redemption or Jizz. Redemp and Jizz are not being vindictive, we're not picking on an alliance that is already out of it. We're still trying to finish the job. If we lay off Redtube now, they will certainly be back in a couple of days and give us hell.


You will earn £1,711,162,276,543 per day more than RedTube.
You will earn 3,422,324,553,086 more score per day than RedTube.


2. In a fight for the top involving 3 alliances, a certain amount of teaming up is going to have to happen. Just about everyone posting in this thread has been involved in it before, so I don't see why it's suddenly so n0oby and underhand?


I think most of RedTube find it sick that after they try do a succesful attack on Redemption, they ask Jizz to hit them.


3. I agree with Charlie, why all the griping about Redemption and no griping about Jizz?


Because Jizz are the better alliance.
Ofc they are going to do this.
They know that if RedTube are out - they can own Redemption with total ease.
Redemptions only chance is for help from RedTube which will not come if this carrys on.


5. Jizz and Redemption have attacked *NOBODY OTHER THAN REDTUBE* together. There is an agreement that Redtube are the biggest threat to either of us, that is all.


RedTube are 20 players like anyone else.
Rama has already said that skill is no longer the main factor of Bushtarion.
He said that activity and contactability are the main needs for bushtarion
Least Life: Jizz alliance members have been marked as online for the most amount of ticks.


6. Redemption are not being used. We are not so naive as to think that when RT are gone Jizz won't possibly come for us. We are being used by Jizz only as much as Jizz are being used by us: to take out RT.


Difference is - Jizz will completely destroy your alliance.
Hell RedTube took 3 land grabs and 0'd a guy and some defender in a tiny organised hit on you guys.
Imagine what Jizz will do with their mass troops and acres :S


7. Whoever made that comment about Redtube being kept up at all hours; "you reap what you sow". You don't see Redemp complaining about broken nights sleep.


Kept up?
You mean a few biker rushes?
From 2 people?

Tis a bit different than 2 alliances.


9. Redtube *please* stop saying you tried to have a 1v1 and Redemp and Jizz wouldn't let you.


This happened last night.
Redtube owned your ass then got retal from Jizz.
This is what is called "Jizz preventing us"


None of the top 3 were sending mobs at each other until RT declared war.


I think you will find i put that declare on because i knew from channel logs in your channel that you and Jizz where going to attack us a day later.
It's called destroying your element of surprise.



Now, to put it bluntly, everyone stfu. If you think you can question any of the above points, then you know more about what has happened to me personally than I do.

Exactly.

[Tim]

To JJbrosandjl:

Thank you for your comments and answers - I do appreciate them and I think this brings some understanding to all of this.

I've seen that a few people have mentioned that this war is based on personal hate. To be honest I don't know what this alleged personal hate is all about and I haven't personally accused you of this nor would I wish to, as this is a pretty big allegation which seems unsubstantiated.

Again, regarding the bunkers etc joining in - I admitted in my previous post that I did not believe there were formal links between you guys and others; I've been here long enough to know what happens in big wars like this so I'm quite happy to take your statement at face value.

But anyway thank you again for clearing things up. Best of luck to you guys (just please let me have a decent sleep for once!! :-))

[Souls]

/me goes on a mission to find Tim's ID and send crashing waves at him :P

[IceOfFire]

Twigs, sounds exactly the same as last round. 1 allianc being prevented from doing something because of 2 other alliances. Even when Pest were rank 3, you and Enigma kept hittin us. Makes you wanna quit doesn't it?

What was our plan with Enigma? Take them out the game and battle ourselves? 1v1 Enigma vs Pest. Yes it was, you had this plan with me last round. But you moan when its on you this round?

pffft


Just to add, before any attacks were launched on you, YOU declared on the 2 of us. Live with it! Your fault, you can say "Redem and Jizz were planning" but nothing was launched together at you.

[Charlie_B]

Because Jizz are the better alliance.
Ofc they are going to do this.
They know that if RedTube are out - they can own Redemption with total ease.
Redemptions only chance is for help from RedTube which will not come if this carrys on.


I haven't been privvy to the top level discussions here, so I don't know exactly what's been said, but what I have seen is a number of RT members spitting bile at Redemption and swearing to do anything in their power to stop them from winning. This thread alone is a fair enough example of certain players in RT's attitude.
It isn't Redemption's fault that you've made that option pretty much impossible for them to take. Given the quality of leadership experience in your ranks I'm amazed that someone didnt tell your more... 'loudmouthed' players to shut up and try to work out something in secret. If working out a deal with Redemption - which seems like RT's best means of survival atm - was being considered you've really shot yourselves in the foot.

[Melnibone]

Go Jizz and Redemption i look forward to your final fight when all others are brushed aside, it will be a good fight i hope, i only ask that when it eventually happens that you post lots of BR's for me to drool over the fights im missing as im solo this round

Stay true to your own individual plans of winning and ignore the whines from people who did exactly the same thing last round but now consider it unfair when its being done to them :)

[Chewie]

This is like the panoply round all over again o.O

At least we fight our wars the traditional way, with numbers, not with extremely cheap and dirty tactic, you lot don't even know some of the dirty tactics they've been pulling, why? because we keep our mouth shut and don't winge at everyone on the forums and gpols

You guys are just another bunch of average joes and avalanche just with more activity so keep quiet and fight this war like men...

Dirty tactics? Please enlighten me.

Let me give you a lesson on dirty tactics.

It starts out that we get constant incoming every 1.5 - 2 hours (from Redemption and Jizz) for more then 48 hours straight. Then, with a day or 2 break, they start up again....and this has been going on for over a week now. It's a bit ridiculous that I have to scroll down for 5 minutes every time I refresh, just so I can get passed all the red and see who's online.

Really, that's all fine and dandy, part of a war game, and I can live with that. But, when we actually attempt to go on the offensive and do some payback to Redemption, guess who is right there to attack us? Jizz and their evil STDs.

We are trying to fight 2 alliances bigger then us, and they won't even let us do it properly, 1v1.

Lame.

Rama, is it really that hard to sit back and let Redemption and ourselves fight it out??? Or is it that after being battered for a week, you think we are still a huge threat to you guys, and so you attack us out of fear? :shock:


How about the entire Smed ordeal?

kthxbai.

[Rama]

You said they were the skilled ally of the round, and you prolly never played with most of them and incase you did you saying the rest of the players on the top allys have no skills. You basing your information in prolly just on the names you heard, I just said I didnt know most of them thats why I dont give my opinion about it. So you are the ignorant.

Then why fight 1vs1 against RT when I can fight 2vs1? and dont tell me because of honour, Honour is overated nowdays, doesnt exist anymore. You can see it as you like, but we just working together to kill an enemy in common.
And it's words like these that mean you will never gain the respect you might otherwise deserve as a player and as a leader.

As far as players and skill, let's give an example. The only times I've played with Martin are when I was an inactive solo and when he was semi-active, or when I was an active allied player and he was inactive allied. Basically, I've never seen him in action, but that doesn't stop me from respecting him. Ironically enough, I believe the same applies to my impression of DarkSider.

[Edit - If you want to continue an off-topic argument/discussion from another thread, try pming the person instead of posting here :P - Charlie]



mmm and I want the respect of people I dont hang in with or dont care (Example: You) because????

[Rama]

*Please let this be stated I am posting as a matter of fact not out of bitterness or preference to any ally*

As soon as spies were out. Redemption + Jizz + bunkers started with the waves.. on 8-11 of our players at a time. We fought like hell but there is only so much you can stop with round the clock 3-4 attacker on 8 players at a time. If you doubt this.. then please accept that we were rank 3 in points simply because of our effectiveness for almost 2 days. Redtube may have hit us once as an ally. But mostly I think we only got randoms from them.

The point is . Never once have Jizz attacked alone. Always with Redemption to flank them. You can justify Redtube with revenge? How to justify the bashing Redemption got? Or the bashing we received? We aren't playing ftw , we don't care who wins.Bashing and waving are valid tactics. I'm all for going for the throat, But the tactics used this round are by far some of the most ruthless I've seen in years. Blame the game ? Blame the playerbase ? Who knows really,

Just the facts M'am
-Tana



All I have to say is dunno what you talking about, the only ally we have hit together was RT. The rest always alone.

[CountZepplin]

mmm and I want the respect of people I dont hang in with or dont care (Example: You) because????
The player base in general; I'm not around enough anymore for it to matter ;)

[harriergirl]

*Please let this be stated I am posting as a matter of fact not out of bitterness or preference to any ally*

As soon as spies were out. Redemption + Jizz + bunkers started with the waves.. on 8-11 of our players at a time. We fought like hell but there is only so much you can stop with round the clock 3-4 attacker on 8 players at a time. If you doubt this.. then please accept that we were rank 3 in points simply because of our effectiveness for almost 2 days. Redtube may have hit us once as an ally. But mostly I think we only got randoms from them.

The point is . Never once have Jizz attacked alone. Always with Redemption to flank them. You can justify Redtube with revenge? How to justify the bashing Redemption got? Or the bashing we received? We aren't playing ftw , we don't care who wins.Bashing and waving are valid tactics. I'm all for going for the throat, But the tactics used this round are by far some of the most ruthless I've seen in years. Blame the game ? Blame the playerbase ? Who knows really,

Just the facts M'am
-Tana



All I have to say is dunno what you talking about, the only ally we have hit together was RT. The rest always alone.

pffft

[Bobbin]

*Please let this be stated I am posting as a matter of fact not out of bitterness or preference to any ally*

As soon as spies were out. Redemption + Jizz + bunkers started with the waves.. on 8-11 of our players at a time. We fought like hell but there is only so much you can stop with round the clock 3-4 attacker on 8 players at a time. If you doubt this.. then please accept that we were rank 3 in points simply because of our effectiveness for almost 2 days. Redtube may have hit us once as an ally. But mostly I think we only got randoms from them.

The point is . Never once have Jizz attacked alone. Always with Redemption to flank them. You can justify Redtube with revenge? How to justify the bashing Redemption got? Or the bashing we received? We aren't playing ftw , we don't care who wins.Bashing and waving are valid tactics. I'm all for going for the throat, But the tactics used this round are by far some of the most ruthless I've seen in years. Blame the game ? Blame the playerbase ? Who knows really,

Just the facts M'am
-Tana



All I have to say is dunno what you talking about, the only ally we have hit together was RT. The rest always alone.

pffft

[HotShot]

*Please let this be stated I am posting as a matter of fact not out of bitterness or preference to any ally*

As soon as spies were out. Redemption + Jizz + bunkers started with the waves.. on 8-11 of our players at a time. We fought like hell but there is only so much you can stop with round the clock 3-4 attacker on 8 players at a time. If you doubt this.. then please accept that we were rank 3 in points simply because of our effectiveness for almost 2 days. Redtube may have hit us once as an ally. But mostly I think we only got randoms from them.

The point is . Never once have Jizz attacked alone. Always with Redemption to flank them. You can justify Redtube with revenge? How to justify the bashing Redemption got? Or the bashing we received? We aren't playing ftw , we don't care who wins.Bashing and waving are valid tactics. I'm all for going for the throat, But the tactics used this round are by far some of the most ruthless I've seen in years. Blame the game ? Blame the playerbase ? Who knows really,

Just the facts M'am
-Tana



All I have to say is dunno what you talking about, the only ally we have hit together was RT. The rest always alone.

Ehm Rama, are you being serious or is this just your sense of humor? Cause i'm pretty sure your alliance is called Jizz (as is stated in your signature) and i'm more than sure that we had 6 of your members attacking 6 of our members at exactly the same tick already three times today.

Of course, it could have just been a coincidence [/sarcasm]

I'm not whining about the fact that you attack us with several members at the same time, and that you immediately resend when your troops get home from a failed attack (one of your members attacked me four times in a row, each time bringing three different allie-mates). No, I'm already beyond that point. But please, have the balls to admit that you launch organised attacks on us! I think we have more than deserved that bit of respect.

[Reub]

]well RT started the war :shock:
RT hit first, started rushes :x
RT gets what came to them :P

why dont RT go back to private, :?:


this game is about bashing and fighting (well use to be (Landcap FTW)) and coming back online to find yourself 0ed, maybe most rt members dont know what that feels like until now, well i have to say u cant always be score Queens, u are all on here crying cuz u cant be the Queens, i say get over it, and go your different ways jizz and Redem will kill u until u go away, u want to rush us, fine we kill u! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm not exactly sure who you are? Though this post just tells me how much you know people in this game, and what's exactly going on at the top at the moment. If you had any idea who actually is in RT then you would know that we all know whats it's like to be zeroed as most have been here since early rounds of the game. So shhhhhh :P

As for this thread in general: I believe in this game if your playing FTW, then you do everything in your power to get that win without cheating/breaking rules. This is all Jizz/redeption have done and I say good on them for that. Ofc there is a grudge against interlude/RT from last round as JJ was in pest and we owned/beat them etc, and other factors.

From what i know/see at round start and now yes I do firmly believe we had the best lineup of players as an alliance in this round. Much better IMO than Jizz and Redeption, and I know that many share this view, so therefore we were the biggest threat and Jizz and Redemption needed to team up to take us down, good on your Jizz/Redemption :)

So no complaints of Jizz/Redemp working together from me, and I'm a member of RedTube. I know for a fact that I would have done the same so I'm def. not going to complain about it. That's just my personal opinion on this.

[Souls]

*Please let this be stated I am posting as a matter of fact not out of bitterness or preference to any ally*

As soon as spies were out. Redemption + Jizz + bunkers started with the waves.. on 8-11 of our players at a time. We fought like hell but there is only so much you can stop with round the clock 3-4 attacker on 8 players at a time. If you doubt this.. then please accept that we were rank 3 in points simply because of our effectiveness for almost 2 days. Redtube may have hit us once as an ally. But mostly I think we only got randoms from them.

The point is . Never once have Jizz attacked alone. Always with Redemption to flank them. You can justify Redtube with revenge? How to justify the bashing Redemption got? Or the bashing we received? We aren't playing ftw , we don't care who wins.Bashing and waving are valid tactics. I'm all for going for the throat, But the tactics used this round are by far some of the most ruthless I've seen in years. Blame the game ? Blame the playerbase ? Who knows really,

Just the facts M'am
-Tana



All I have to say is dunno what you talking about, the only ally we have hit together was RT. The rest always alone.

Ehm Rama, are you being serious or is this just your sense of humor? Cause i'm pretty sure your alliance is called Jizz (as is stated in your signature) and i'm more than sure that we had 6 of your members attacking 6 of our members at exactly the same tick already three times today.

Of course, it could have just been a coincidence [/sarcasm]

I'm not whining about the fact that you attack us with several members at the same time, and that you immediately resend when your troops get home from a failed attack (one of your members attacked me four times in a row, each time bringing three different allie-mates). No, I'm already beyond that point. But please, have the balls to admit that you launch organised attacks on us! I think we have more than deserved that bit of respect.

He meant alone, as in just Jizz and no other alliances. You just took it out of context. ;)

[f0xx]

Time to ressurect this thread as I can see that the top is actually fighting and for everyone's surprise it seems that Redemtion are beating Jizz? Any updates on the "big" war are welcome.

PS. Let the flaming begin :D

[Cyrus]

check Gpols?

[NoobCake]

Time to ressurect this thread as I can see that the top is actually fighting and for everyone's surprise it seems that Redemtion are beating Jizz? Any updates on the "big" war are welcome.

PS. Let the flaming begin :D

Well this is a bit late and i doubt that people are still reading into this...

Jizz and Redemption had an agreement and stuck to it. They would work together to kill RT and then would openly declare war and have a fun 1v1 battle for the top. We(Jizz) had a bit of a rough start as our ex-leader and a few others(myself included) were on holidays and Redemption caught us a tad off guard.

Shortly there after I took over as leader as Rama went inactive for RL purposes (Rama FTW!!) after a couple days of jump starting the activity we began to fight back and I decided to use our activity as the basis for our advantage and hit them at their(and most alliances) weak spot. We had a goal and it was to win the round, RT was dead and Redemption was in our way...by the end of the week they had players disbanding and deleting.

RT then started jumping in for land...(the bunkers did what they do and piggied everything throughout war) and are now back to that rank two spot. We have not and will not work with anyone else for any other reason than the destruction of RT. :D

Finally, as a response to many of the previous posts in multiple threads...RT is not the alliance with the most skilled players this round. Many of the better players are spread out and lots are even solo so that comment was quite rubbish. I have played with many people from the current top alliances and RT does have a hand full of skilled players and a few big names at that. These days i think people focus on names more than they do actual skill anymore. While activity is the most dominant characteristic of a good player, skill is still a factor and more of one than someones name. There are too many gray areas in who is better and where skill is at in the new age of bush to be making claims as to who are the better ones currently...

Hope this cleared up a bit of the Jizz/Redemption/RedTube war debates.

Current Jizz leader,

Hero (though Rama is still my sex slave!!!!)

[Rama]

Hero (though Rama is still my sex slave!!!!)

you wish :P.

[Jiggy]

Hang on so your in a subtle manor claiming that jizz are the best alliance? Dint Redtube have a huge lead at the start? we were pwning redememption; jizz were stuck in 3rd, then jizz/redemption and the big solos turned on us, we got bashed down but rebuilt and had a huge acre/score lead within a few days; again jizz/redemption and bunkers hit us and did wipe us completely... doesnt this show whos clearly the most capeable allie? afterall had it been 1v1 like you claim to be or like to fight, im sure it would be RedTube in the Rank 1 position. Anyway just my opinion on things.... ive never played a round quite like this and never experienced such brutal forces for such long periods of time, jizz struggled against redemption; id like to see jizz have faced redemption/redtube and the big solos's.....

[Souls]

Hang on so your in a subtle manor claiming that jizz are the best alliance? Dint Redtube have a huge lead at the start? we were pwning redememption; jizz were stuck in 3rd, then jizz/redemption and the big solos turned on us, we got bashed down but rebuilt and had a huge acre/score lead within a few days; again jizz/redemption and bunkers hit us and did wipe us completely... doesnt this show whos clearly the most capeable allie? afterall had it been 1v1 like you claim to be or like to fight, im sure it would be RedTube in the Rank 1 position. Anyway just my opinion on things.... ive never played a round quite like this and never experienced such brutal forces for such long periods of time, jizz struggled against redemption; id like to see jizz have faced redemption/redtube and the big solos's.....

I fail to see where you draw your accusations from.. :|

[Jiggy]

what accusations im merely stating an opinion....

[Subdivisions]

I believe this is the accusation you are looking for?

RT is not the alliance with the most skilled players this round.


Anyway, it has been an interesting round. One of the classic "skill and heart" vs "political power and activity" rounds :P

[Cyrus]

im sorry hero but if you honestly think our start line-up didnt have the most skilled players then just walk away, because your obviously blind / dont take notice.

also you guys wouldnt have took us down 1v1, i mean cmon even when we were half your score we were owning you in attacks and defence, infact even now it takes like 10 of you on 1 tick to even concider staying versus us.

and dont take all the credit for why you won the round, redemp won it for you. and you know it.

[Souls]

I believe this is the accusation you are looking for?

RT is not the alliance with the most skilled players this round.


Anyway, it has been an interesting round. One of the classic "skill and heart" vs "political power and activity" rounds :P

The one who plays his cards right in the political battle always wins. ;)

[NoobCake]

im sorry hero but if you honestly think our start line-up didnt have the most skilled players then just walk away, because your obviously blind / dont take notice.

also you guys wouldnt have took us down 1v1, i mean cmon even when we were half your score we were owning you in attacks and defence, infact even now it takes like 10 of you on 1 tick to even concider staying versus us.

and dont take all the credit for why you won the round, redemp won it for you. and you know it.

Well Cyrus once again you have shown that not only are you an arrogant person but an ignorant one as well. RedTube has a handful of very skilled players as I have already stated (of which you are not part of btw so pull your head out champ), but I would take the current lineup in Jizz over any of the others this round by far. We do not have many of the names that people assume are the skilled player, but being skilled at this game takes more than talking yourself up in forums like you seem to do. I judge skill by the activity, ability to attack and defend, and determination by which they play. I also add in heart and how they bounce back after being hit...instead of flaming and griping in forums ;).

RedTube has never "pwned" Jizz in attack or defense and you know this so why would you make such bogus claims? Show me some proof of you guys beating us on more than the occasional bad decision to stay or recall and then maybe you will have some credibility.

Also, in all previous rounds when has the alliance that jumped out to that land lead not gotten ganged up on and beat down? Why would someone playing smart single themselves out as a target so fast? It is all politics as any competent bush player knows. I believe I have planned quite a few attacks that never had more than 2-3 per target with an equal fake as well, It is not my fault your "skilled" players can never figure out where the real is so we recall our fakes and take your land on our reals...so yea we do recall, but only because you waste your units on our flaks lol.

Jiggy. Yes In my opinion Jizz is the best alliance this round and I will not hide that. Though RT thinks they are, and I am sure Redemption did at one point as well. What each person thinks, and how much they all complain, has no affect on the outcome of the round. The alliance that wins at the end of the round was the best THAT round because they outplayed the other alliances...whether it was bashing, waving, politics or any other way...they still WON that round so they were the best. If DW came back and won this round they would be the best alliance of the round because they would have outplayed the others.

So please quit hiding behind the few "names" your alliance has, and the assumptions that "if this happened" or "you couldn't have done that" blah blah. Play the round go for your alliances goal and stop flaming pointlessly and puting down the alliance(s) that have outplayed you thus far. The round isn't over so show me some more of your skill Cyrus. ( I was informed you were helping plan and decided to stay on those last two attempts on us that basically killed everyone you had sending. So as a person who single handedly killed his own resistance attackers twice and then complains that they won't send anymore...stop claiming to be skillful :D)

I will say no more and do not like pointlessly arguing but i thought those that didn't know what was going on should be informed by someone who isn't just ranting and complaining. Play the round, as forums is not where the round will be decided.

Hero

[Reub]

I believe this is the accusation you are looking for?

RT is not the alliance with the most skilled players this round.


Anyway, it has been an interesting round. One of the classic "skill and heart" vs "political power and activity" rounds :P

Hero, do you know all of RT members/ ex members? Have you played with them all?

Shhh.

[CLem]

Also, in all previous rounds when has the alliance that jumped out to that land lead not gotten ganged up on and beat down?

Round 18 the round was done in a week, we held the top since we started.
TRFC round as well if I remember correctly?

[Jiggy]

so if jizz are so utterly amazing how come you guys had to recruit 30 extra people to attack us on two occasions? surely with your wonderful alliance youd attack alone against us? Hero we had you on the ropes on two occasions and the only way youve prevented yourselfs from losing is by recruiting redemption to be your pwns for a while before plumping them up and slaughtering them. I seem to redember we had 7 of the top 10 untill we generated inc from 50 players...

[Cyrus]

this is the time i leave this conversation because im talking facts hero's talking assumptions, guess work and damn right stupidity.

the only so called skilled thing you guys have got is activity and lets be honest does that really come udner "skill"? youve got an alliance full of score queens congratulations.

[Rama]

loosers complains, I love it! , is pretty funny how when people is loosing how the complain, ofc I have done it too lol, you will never see alliances wining complain hehe, then yeah the comparison with another rounds, yeah on that round we powned, etc, etc, but the fact its you loosing this round, so get over it, its just a game, you want facts? thats facts...

[antisback]

We(Jizz) had a bit of a rough start as our ex-leader and a few others(myself included) were on holidays and Redemption caught us a tad off guard.

Shortly there after I took over as leader as Rama went inactive for RL purposes (Rama FTW!!) after a couple days of jump starting the activity we began to fight back and I decided to use our activity as the basis for our advantage and hit them at their(and most alliances) weak spot. We had a goal and it was to win the round, RT was dead and Redemption was in our way...by the end of the week they had players disbanding and deleting...


I'd just like to add my two cents, I am of the beleif that it would still be a relative stalemate if for some reason mass sleep mode hadn't been hit. The only ones gaining any real land up to that point had been the bunkers. Redemption threw away the round by mass sleeping, that is why I and a few others left not because we died :P

[Cyrus]

loosers complains, I love it! , is pretty funny how when people is loosing how the complain, ofc I have done it too lol, you will never see alliances wining complain hehe, then yeah the comparison with another rounds, yeah on that round we powned, etc, etc, but the fact its you loosing this round, so get over it, its just a game, you want facts? thats facts...

what exactly did you pwn rama? ive not seen any evidence of your alliance solely dominating anything, you've only gained the advantage by purely teaming up with redemp, so why dont you get your arse out your ass and see the sunshine.

[f0xx]

loosers complains, I love it! , is pretty funny how when people is loosing how the complain, ofc I have done it too lol, you will never see alliances wining complain hehe, then yeah the comparison with another rounds, yeah on that round we powned, etc, etc, but the fact its you loosing this round, so get over it, its just a game, you want facts? thats facts...

You know, when you kill an alliance and you know you are attacking them 2v1 + your safelisted solo friends then people WILL complain... your win is a lame one in my book no matter what you say...

PS. TRFC won the round in 3-4 days (I have the screenshots to prove it), alone, no Politics AT ALL + no solo friends safelisted.

[NoobCake]

so if jizz are so utterly amazing how come you guys had to recruit 30 extra people to attack us on two occasions? surely with your wonderful alliance youd attack alone against us? Hero we had you on the ropes on two occasions and the only way youve prevented yourselfs from losing is by recruiting redemption to be your pwns for a while before plumping them up and slaughtering them. I seem to redember we had 7 of the top 10 untill we generated inc from 50 players...


Erm, Jizz and Redemption had the agreement to kill RT from the get go so we did no recruiting at any point. The only thing you could be talking about by having a lead and us "on the ropes" could have been just after flak wars...But when you already know you have a friend with a mutual enemy why would you car if the other has a slight lead.

Cyrus, if using a hypothetical as an example is an assumption then I sure did make a lot of assumptions :P.

Fact: Interlude won last round due to large people in Pest leaving at a bad time, and politics...not any other way.

Fact: It is a game, the only people complaining and getting nasty are the ones losing (happens every round)

Fact: Jizz has played the round very well thus far and has been smart about what they have done.

Fact: Neither Redemption or Jizz "used" the other alliance. They had an agreement to kill RedTube and would then declare war and fight it out. Which happened.



How are those for facts Cryus. No assumptions at all. Now can you please just drop it lol?


And Yes F0xx TRFC was an amazing alliance and won it very quickly, and the only thing i didnt like about that round was aGit beating me in land :(. 'Most' of the rounds since the new age have see the alliance that jumped out to an early lead become the target of mass incoming from the others.

[Cyrus]

here goes to rip up your so called "facts"

interlude is not Redtube, had same leader and afew members whoop de doo

we had more than a slight lead on both your alliances.

you used redemptions personal vendetta to gain the advantage as you just stated you both wanted us dead, JJ sacrificed their round so he could take us down, basically handing you the win.

ive never said you havnt played the round well, you have politically but dont go round saying your the best alliance skilled wise. you run your mouth when clearly you have nothing to show for it, redemp gave you the win, end of, so lets drop it there shall we.

[NoobCake]

Ok finally we can drop it, but i will clear the air and say that i never once said Jizz had the most skilled players of the alliances this round. Only that of all the groups I would choose the ones from Jizz as a whole of the others as a whole. That is all :P.

[Rama]

loosers complains, I love it! , is pretty funny how when people is loosing how the complain, ofc I have done it too lol, you will never see alliances wining complain hehe, then yeah the comparison with another rounds, yeah on that round we powned, etc, etc, but the fact its you loosing this round, so get over it, its just a game, you want facts? thats facts...

You know, when you kill an alliance and you know you are attacking them 2v1 + your safelisted solo friends then people WILL complain... your win is a lame one in my book no matter what you say...

PS. TRFC won the round in 3-4 days (I have the screenshots to prove it), alone, no Politics AT ALL + no solo friends safelisted.


Ofc they did , they were the only decent ally that round lol, how they wouldnt win in the first 4 days, they actually won in the first hour the round started.... foxx that usually have happened. Dunno wich win is lamest, a politic win or a win where there was nooone else to stand on them(thou I dont consider any of the win lames, just trying to see your point of view), actually there was a decent ally, but they didnt have a good start, so they couldnt compete with TRFC. And this round jizz never safe listed anyone, just worked with another ally, a common thing nowdays allys do.

[Rama]

loosers complains, I love it! , is pretty funny how when people is loosing how the complain, ofc I have done it too lol, you will never see alliances wining complain hehe, then yeah the comparison with another rounds, yeah on that round we powned, etc, etc, but the fact its you loosing this round, so get over it, its just a game, you want facts? thats facts...

what exactly did you pwn rama? ive not seen any evidence of your alliance solely dominating anything, you've only gained the advantage by purely teaming up with redemp, so why dont you get your arse out your ass and see the sunshine.



Well its not my ally anymore and I believe Jizz got a nice lead by taking Rede and another allys lands alone? jizz havent worked out with Rede since almost 2 weeks now? maybe a little less...dunno what you talking about...

[Cyrus]

haha.

[f0xx]

And this round jizz never safe listed anyone

Go tell that to someone who is going to believe mate...

[Souls]

And this round jizz never safe listed anyone

Go tell that to someone who is going to believe mate...

I can show you all the pols pages and overview, if you want ;)

[f0xx]

The fact that you guys have solo players in your IRC channel speaks enough, don't you think?

[JJbrosandjl]

loosers complains, I love it! , is pretty funny how when people is loosing how the complain, ofc I have done it too lol, you will never see alliances wining complain hehe, then yeah the comparison with another rounds, yeah on that round we powned, etc, etc, but the fact its you loosing this round, so get over it, its just a game, you want facts? thats facts...

You know, when you kill an alliance and you know you are attacking them 2v1 + your safelisted solo friends then people WILL complain... your win is a lame one in my book no matter what you say...

PS. TRFC won the round in 3-4 days (I have the screenshots to prove it), alone, no Politics AT ALL + no solo friends safelisted.


You noobs won by kick-raping me and using my land! lol jkin :P

But yea, if you guys think Jizz dominated us during the war then you are pretty wrong. I'd like to say it was a fairly even match but Jizz did come out on top and I applaud them for that :) But please stop using the phrase "Using Redemption" as I think that's totally wrong.

[Souls]

The fact that you guys have solo players in your IRC channel speaks enough, don't you think?

They're in the channel, sure, but they're not safelisted. If they're not in the alliance, they're a fair target, as far as I'm concerned. Ask Alci. :P

[Cyrus]

Edit - Discussion merged in from another thread. Some posts went AWOL along the way - Charlie


or we all team up on jizz, bunkers included and steal their land. NICE ONE!!!


This makes me laugh. He, Cyrus, the one smeg-head about being teamed up on by 2 alliances that were smaller than them (at the start) is nw WANTING to team up with others to do the same thing he is complaining about!!!! HAHAHAHA


This my friends is why the same thing happens every round, and why I can never seem to care about what people like this say :P

I am nt exactly sure why the bunkers would go after Jizz, since it was the wars Jizz is and were fighting in that got most of them their land...as DS will admit ( don't think i didnt see you following us every chance you got buddy ). I actually commend the bunkers this round. With the injury system and AR making psolo so powerful, choosing to go that route as a group was pure genius...though im hoping Azzer sees this and makes a few changes for the future. :D

lets be honest there is just a slight different between someone wanting help to fight an alliance the same score as ourselves and wanting help to fight an alliance 3 times our score no?

[Don]

The fact that you guys have solo players in your IRC channel speaks enough, don't you think?

They're in the channel, sure, but they're not safelisted. If they're not in the alliance, they're a fair target, as far as I'm concerned. Ask Alci. :P

I can vouch for that. Earlier in the round, I attacked one of the solo guys that hangs out with us... Rama told , and I quote, to 'go for it'. And I landed quite nicely... :P Never heard anyone say not to attack anybody thus far... but believe what ya want... :)

[antisback]

I would have told Redemption to grow some balls, and I would have sat back and laughed while my only competition killed each other.

At that point, JJ had already given the round to you guys, we wanted our revenge on his stupidity.

Not to mention, I would have been impressed and slightly amused that even after helping batter an alliance to half the score of the other, they still fought to go on the offensive against the much bigger enemy.


Excuse me, but stop calling JJ stupid, he's canadian, many people get that confused with stupid but they're different things.

It was a gamble, a gamble that very nearly paid off... I dunno if you remember but a week ago Jizz were well on the back foot with redemption 20k acres in front and 7 bil score ahead, so don't say he gave the round to Jizz, the round very nearly went our way.

So those who keep saying they used us and we gave them the round on a platter need to shut their mouths about matters which clearly fly well out of their pay grade. JJ played the round the way he wanted to, he used some balls and made descicions that could've gone either way, this time they didn't, but it so nearly did go our way.

So hush...

[Subdivisions]

LOL, you mean you almost got lucky?

Jizz even stated multiple times that they had 4 people on vacation, as well as Rama (their leader) having RL issues.

It was only obvious that in a fair fight Jizz would beat Redemption 1v1...we aren't talking rocket science here. I wasn't the only one who believed that before it happened....

If JJ had listened to us at some point, instead of blindly helping Jizz win the round, maybe things could still be interesting...but I guess a personal vendetta and the security of bashing in numbers was enough gratification for Redemption to give the round up.

P.S. I have nothing against Canada...Rush is my favorite band and they are Canadian ;)

[antisback]

What personal vendetta?

The luck wasn't all one way you know, and life is 90% luck ;)

I would've lost all respect for JJ if he'd blindly done whatever another ally told him to do

[Subdivisions]

He didn't want 'Interlude' to win again, which is a bunch of rubbish, considering only the leader (now traitor) and a few members were actually in Interlude.

[Welshie]

Subbie it aint worth the trouble of arguing on these forums (or most forums tbh) just chill :D

[f0xx]

Well, to be honest Subbie, I would have done the same thing on JJ's place... I have even done it in the past... Welshie will support me I think.

In Redemption's situation they had to choose between 3 different scenarios:

1) Them being beaten and then Jizz and RT fights it out - which is the worst case, because they get no chance to win, so we remove that and we are left with the two:

A) Jizz being beaten and then they (Redemption) and RT fight it out
B) RT being beaten and they (Redemption) and Jizz fight it out

Now you should ask yourself, if you were a leader of Redemption and you WANT to win the round, which ally would you rather face? IE, every leader with half sense would want to fight the weaker of the two allies, which in JJ's case happened.

I believe he knew he had no chance against RT, I also believe that he knew he had little chance against Jizz, but little chance is always better than no chance at all. So yeah, back to my point, JJ played his cards well (not the best way, but still well enough). If they were a bit better organised and would have hit Jizz when they were weak they would have grabbed the round even. So all of you who say JJ is an idiot, please put yourself on his place and tell me that you wouldn't have done the same.

Also, if I was on RT's place I would be quite flattered as in JJ's eyes its obvious that you guys are the better alliance.

[DarkSider]

I still stand by my previous posts. Redemption was just lucky Jizz attacked like headless chickens for a few days, i even talked with several players in all the top 3 alliances trying to find out what's going on with their leadership/organizers, why the attacking plans are so rubbish :P Redemption had a chance those few days in which they didn't managed to kill Jizz and as soon as Hero stepped in and started organizing, Redemption was completly dominated 1:1 after apparently they had the upper hand in many other BR's. Activity and will in Jizz was far superior and the end of the war was expected.
And i don't agree with f0xx. If JJ played for himself and his alliance as prime objective instead killing RT and see what happens after, he would have made pacts with RT *at the right time* to bash Jizz and then they would have jumped on RT before those had a chance of rebuilding. Imho and i'm sure some will disagree, he made the very same mistake as Podunk last round getting his members invest time and effort in destroying somebody instead getting something for themselfs. It was his choice and he might do it 100 times more in the same scenario knowing what happens at the end, but it was a poor tactic imo :)

[JJbrosandjl]

I still stand by my previous posts. Redemption was just lucky Jizz attacked like headless chickens for a few days, i even talked with several players in all the top 3 alliances trying to find out what's going on with their leadership/organizers, why the attacking plans are so rubbish :P Redemption had a chance those few days in which they didn't managed to kill Jizz and as soon as Hero stepped in and started organizing, Redemption was completly dominated 1:1 after apparently they had the upper hand in many other BR's. Activity and will in Jizz was far superior and the end of the war was expected.
And i don't agree with f0xx. If JJ played for himself and his alliance as prime objective instead killing RT and see what happens after, he would have made pacts with RT *at the right time* to bash Jizz and then they would have jumped on RT before those had a chance of rebuilding. Imho and i'm sure some will disagree, he made the very same mistake as Podunk last round getting his members invest time and effort in destroying somebody instead getting something for themselfs. It was his choice and he might do it 100 times more in the same scenario knowing what happens at the end, but it was a poor tactic imo :)

If you aren't involved in the discussions between the top 3 alliances, then please don't assume things. Not everyone will tell you the real story and using "chats with members" as a basis for your so called facts is unjust. Here was the exact situation:

(Oh yes before I continue I must apologize to Rama for not sticking to the plan originally, although I did try my best to keep it a 1 vs 1 :P)

During the hit on RT, I was approached several times by Twigley, and Franny to hit Jizz. I felt that if Jizz was killed then we'd stand no chance at wall with RT, therefore I chose to reject their demands.

After RT went into mass sleep mode, we both knew that RT only had one objective in mind, which was to get us and Jizz warring. At that time, both sides were told that RT was in sleep for 7 days, and premonitions of RT actually being in sleep for 3 days were ignored. Both sides agreed to a time of 00 GMT Friday to start the war. (Exactly 3 days RT entered sleep mode, so we could see whether or not they were in sleep for 3 days or not). We all did war preperations, LTs were set, both alliances had most of their players online etc.

At this particular moment, I was approached by Lukey. Lukey offered us a nap with them so we wouldn't bash them with Jizz. I weighed both sides and decided to play it steady and do the following: 1. Nap RT for one day until friday, in the meantime avoiding attacking RT with Jizz and making up excuses, 2. Try to get Rama to war us on the weekend by convincing them RT is out of the picture, I did this because RT would have been on our side from what I heard from Lukey (although I know he might not represent the entire alliance). 3. War with Rama on the weekend.

Everything worked out pefectly as I wouldn't be online on Thursday so pushing the war to Friday was a smart thing to do. We also had RT relatively on our side, Jizz would waste their troops on RT while we built and stayed low for a day. Rama agreed to war on Friday and it was still considered a "fair war".

When we went to war, yes we were winning and please do not find excuses for losing at the start and such. I could have made a *billion* true excuses for why we lost the war and I still do not want it publicised, but I'm sure the players in Jizz all know... Saying Jizz was poorly organized at the start because of vacations and Rama etc are all a bunch of lame excuses, it's a war, do you think Germany would have stopped invading Russia if the Russian leader was sick?

After the war started, RT wanted to help us, but they never sent. Later RT claims that we did not want to help in the resistance (now who would believe that :P). So we were basically on Jizz one vs one, although still napped with RT. After we got taken down RT jumped in for land and basically everyone went into sleep mode (without officer consent) and a couple of players left.


I would just like to say that I have no regrets of how I played the round. Few people know how many aspects I had to consider before making the decisions I did make. I consulted a player who wasn't in our alliance and remained neutral upon the matter and he said that what I proposed would be good for the aliance so I stuck by it. If you want to critcise my moves then go ahead, but don't target me as a person because that would be morally incorrect (@ Subdivision), since after all, it is just a game, and to call someone stupid based on the game is just silly in itself.

Thanks for reading, I just wanted to clear a few things up (might be lots of spelling mistakes since I typed this in a hurry lol)

Have a nice day :)

[pinpower]

stop calling JJ stupid, he's canadian

holy crap...JJ is canadian???...oh god...ive played probably 3 rounds with him and i have always thought he was english....i feel cheated...i hope to god he isnt a 40 year old man wearing leather as well...

;)

[JJbrosandjl]

stop calling JJ stupid, he's canadian

holy crap...JJ is canadian???...oh god...ive played probably 3 rounds with him and i have always thought he was english....i feel cheated...i hope to god he isnt a 40 year old man wearing leather as well...

;)


Stupid noob :P, I was always nightcover for your ass ;)

[Charlie_B]

Hack hack hack. This forum has a couple of weird bugs. Put things back together as well as possible - Charlie.

[JJbrosandjl]

Charles ftw :P

[gary88]

Redemption take the game a little too serious no?

[JJbrosandjl]

Redemption take the game a little too serious no?

:stupid:

[NoobCake]

Well, to be honest Subbie, I would have done the same thing on JJ's place... I have even done it in the past... Welshie will support me I think.

In Redemption's situation they had to choose between 3 different scenarios:

1) Them being beaten and then Jizz and RT fights it out - which is the worst case, because they get no chance to win, so we remove that and we are left with the two:

A) Jizz being beaten and then they (Redemption) and RT fight it out
B) RT being beaten and they (Redemption) and Jizz fight it out

Now you should ask yourself, if you were a leader of Redemption and you WANT to win the round, which ally would you rather face? IE, every leader with half sense would want to fight the weaker of the two allies, which in JJ's case happened.

I believe he knew he had no chance against RT, I also believe that he knew he had little chance against Jizz, but little chance is always better than no chance at all. So yeah, back to my point, JJ played his cards well (not the best way, but still well enough). If they were a bit better organised and would have hit Jizz when they were weak they would have grabbed the round even. So all of you who say JJ is an idiot, please put yourself on his place and tell me that you wouldn't have done the same.

Also, if I was on RT's place I would be quite flattered as in JJ's eyes its obvious that you guys are the better alliance.


Well it seems that people have made Jizz out to be less talented than we actually are. We have never felt that any alliance was any better than we are, and i stick to my earlier post that out of the people playing bush these days I wouldnt replace many of the people in Jizz at all if I was going for a "best alliance" setup. There are A LOT of underrated players in here and I feel there are a lot of overrated people in RT that had a couple good rounds and spend lots of time in #bush and/or posting in forums and therefore have a name that is "known"

Anyways I think that the players in Jizz need some credit (ill take none of it for that matter) and that people should stop acting like we do not deserve to be where we are...

JJ is right, very few people know what has happened with the politics of the top three alliance. Once I became leader I know I was in contact both of the other leaders on a regular basis...all three trying to come out on top to win the round. No one used the other and the war between Rede and Jizz was exactly what both alliances had planned...We got off to a slow start with the mishaps but as DS stated, shortly after we regained our activity and got some organization and went on to win the war fairly dramatically in a short amount of time.

So please stop ranting people...JJ played the round well, as did Jizz...RT was a good alliance and deserves some recognition, but i will say nothing about them being the best alliance this round at all...

I sure hope we can just get on with the round...

[Reub]

Well, to be honest Subbie, I would have done the same thing on JJ's place... I have even done it in the past... Welshie will support me I think.

In Redemption's situation they had to choose between 3 different scenarios:

1) Them being beaten and then Jizz and RT fights it out - which is the worst case, because they get no chance to win, so we remove that and we are left with the two:

A) Jizz being beaten and then they (Redemption) and RT fight it out
B) RT being beaten and they (Redemption) and Jizz fight it out

Now you should ask yourself, if you were a leader of Redemption and you WANT to win the round, which ally would you rather face? IE, every leader with half sense would want to fight the weaker of the two allies, which in JJ's case happened.

I believe he knew he had no chance against RT, I also believe that he knew he had little chance against Jizz, but little chance is always better than no chance at all. So yeah, back to my point, JJ played his cards well (not the best way, but still well enough). If they were a bit better organised and would have hit Jizz when they were weak they would have grabbed the round even. So all of you who say JJ is an idiot, please put yourself on his place and tell me that you wouldn't have done the same.

Also, if I was on RT's place I would be quite flattered as in JJ's eyes its obvious that you guys are the better alliance.

I believe that this post ^^ sums this whole thread up and sums that whole war up. Completely.

[Subdivisions]

Aww, my best post in this discussion was deleted....coincidence? I think not :P

But meh, I'll drop it...you believe what you will, because I know what went down...

[DarkSider]

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I believe that this post ^^ sums this whole thread up and sums that whole war up. Completely.

That post it's rubbish. There is far more than black and white, warring 1:1 a full strenght alliance no matter what case. As anti i think very well pointed out it was very close to Panoply round. One alliance is scared of the big names in one of other 2 alliances and overates them considering no matter what they must not fight against those at the end. Panoply wrongly (imo) choosed to help Legends (an alliance that got massed before for a week or so and was still alive and kicking) to kill Retarted (which colapsed like a wall of cards as soon as incs started). Big names and cockyness in Retarted (starting 1 day late) blind Mene and Maxi who forgot Legends it's no match for them if those managed to survive a much bigger offensive. In our round a similar thing happened. JJ was determined to give twigley& Co no chance, was more "scared" of the big names and history of RT then the large military& land advantage Jizz had. JJ had one big advantage he never used. He lead the most underated alliance of the 3. With that you can make the world go round, no need to consider a scenario in which you get to fight any of the other 2 ALONE and at FULL strenght. But as i said before, JJ was imo blind by his determination to keep twigs killed and didn't put 100% thought into planning a win.

[Twigley]

Indeed!
Rede ftl :(