Why won't my cloners fire?

[Cheese]

Might be a stupid question but in all honesty I'm completely baffled by this:

Gardener: 44,990,000
Geo-Phys Thief: 10,000
Ninja: 22,000,000
Cloner: 5,000,000

At a PoM player...

1st tick:
[range] 11,465,147 hostile Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 62,044,023 allied staff.
[range] 220,202 hostile Hippy Van attacked, distracting 71,161 allied staff.
[range] 378,580 hostile Loudspeaker Protestor shouted in the ears of and distracted 325,052 allied staff.
[range] 9,552,619 allied Ninja attacked, killing 6,973,458 hostile staff.

nearly 10mil ninja got through and same on the 2nd tick...
yet on the final tick:

[close] 909,912 hostile Protestor Leader attacked, distracting 578,278 allied staff.
[close] 32,240 hostile Hippy attacked, distracting 28,394 allied staff.
[close] 11,367,811 hostile Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 62,083,072 allied staff.
[close] 45,729,655 hostile Protestor Guru attacked, distracting 7,667 allied staff.
[close] 219,242 hostile Hippy Van attacked, distracting 71,479 allied staff.
[close] 369,926 hostile Loudspeaker Protestor shouted in the ears of and distracted 346,374 allied staff.

No cloners fire.

It has completely baffled me and I don't normally need to post for help on here but I haven't got a clue how my cloners haven't fired... theres 2 tonne of ninja flakking them yet all of them get blocked :|

Help please :p

[Twigley]

[03:20] <Twigley> Erm
[03:20] <Twigley> 71m
[03:20] <Twigley> You sent
[03:20] <Twigley> [range] 11,465,147 hostile Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 62,044,023 allied staff.
[03:20] <Twigley> That stopped 62m
[03:20] <Twigley> 9m fired
[03:20] <Twigley> last tick
[03:20] <Twigley> [close] 11,367,811 hostile Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 62,083,072 allied staff.
[03:20] * Lukey has left #bushtarion
[03:20] <Twigley> stopped the cloners again
[03:20] * P sets mode: +l 68
[03:20] <Cheese> Yup
[03:20] <Cheese> What I want to know
[03:20] <Cheese> is why it's stopping my cloners :P
[03:20] <Cheese> And the amount of gards doesn't affect it
[03:21] <Cheese> [middle] 9,478,527 hostile Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 80,796,288 allied staff.
[03:21] <Cheese> [middle] 1,450 hostile Hooligan attacked, disabling 1,275 allied staff.
[03:21] <Cheese> [middle] 626 hostile Gargoyle attacked, killing 2,423 allied staff.
[03:21] <Cheese> [middle] 1,997,239 hostile Hippy Van attacked, distracting 2,363,468 allied staff.
[03:21] <Cheese> [middle] 1,490,416 hostile Loudspeaker Protestor shouted in the ears of and distracted 4,819,364 allied staff.
[03:21] <Cheese> [middle] 8,824,749 allied Ninja attacked, killing 15,867,319 hostile staff.
[03:21] <Cheese> that time I sent 200mil gards :p
[03:21] <Twigley> Seems that POM may have either
[03:21] <Twigley> A hidden bonus
[03:21] <Twigley> Or, cloners suck
[03:21] <Twigley> :P

[Martin]

0.42 PoMs fired per LET unit, Cloners are as weak as f*ck - basically 0.42 PoMs is enough to stop a Cloner....

[BlackWolf]

I would correct it a bit by saying that there were almost 2M poms firing ALONE against your cloners.
Quess what happens then.

Im shocked someone with skill of yours is asking something like this.

[Cheese]

I would correct it a bit by saying that there were almost 2M poms firing ALONE against your cloners.
Quess what happens then.

Im shocked someone with skill of yours is asking something like this.


When in doubt ask. You could well learn from that phrase...
Only seen you going down hill baby ;)

[Cyrus]

yeah even though you can flak lets with other lets, most bribers suck at being let flak'd as they are too weak and it doesnt take much to stop them

and really in this case the cloners are flaking the ninjas, jsut by pure weakness

[saint1d]

Glad you asked the question Cheese, cos I was thinking exactly the same thing on an attack last night. Was hoping for some nice PoM bribes but go zero from the cloners :(

[dafe]

easy answer, poms take out most of the cloners due to them being in lower numbers to ninjas, then on last tick the leaders also fire at your lethals(solely as they dont target inns), and tsk tsk how did you dare to hit me! :P

[f0xx]

I think your cloners hate you Cheese... :P

[Cheese]

I think your cloners hate you Cheese... :P

I think that too :(

[DR4545]

Over half you ninjas were getting distracted, and ninjas are harder to distract. Also, the Leaders got in there. I don't think that quite explains it, though.

Was there someone else with LET there the first ticks?

I'm surprised you got as many as 9.5M ninjas firing with those numbers, so that's the explanation that makes sense.

[dafe]

Over half you ninjas were getting distracted, and ninjas are harder to distract. Also, the Leaders got in there. I don't think that quite explains it, though.

Was there someone else with LET there the first ticks?

I'm surprised you got as many as 9.5M ninjas firing with those numbers, so that's the explanation that makes sense.

thats whats i told him as well...he was lucky so many ninjas fired, but he decides it were his cloners that did bad lol and no nothing else there just his lucky ninjas

[Melnibone]

ok boys heres why Cheese knows its down to poor cloners and not 'lucky ninjas'

There were 27mil lethals there(22mil ninjas, 5mil cloners) and 11mil poms

of the 11 million poms approx 18.15% will fire at cloners and 71.15% at ninjas giving amounts of (roughly) 2mil poms firing at cloners and 9 mil poms firing at ninjas

In the Ninjas case 9mil poms distracted 12.5mil ninjas (taken from the 9 and a half million firing in the BR
In the cloners case 2mil poms distracted 5mil cloners (as none fired last tick)

big difference and down to cloners being VERY weak as both have exactly the same defensive stats in the manual

Edit: forgot to take into acct the 70% targetting of the poms for lethals so its even less poms blocking 5mil cloners!!!!

[Turnip2k]

Am I right in thinking that the cloners are actually weaker than melni's calculation shows? - 11m poms didn't fire at his lets, but only 11 x 0.7 = 7.7m since 30% is directed at INN.

The rest of the calc is exactly the same and the numbers are:

Cloners took 1.4m poms
Ninja took 6.3m poms

[Melnibone]

yeah turnip i put in an edit so 1.4mil poms took 5mil cloners meaning over a 1:4 ratio very poor

[DR4545]

In the Ninjas case 9mil poms distracted 12.5mil ninjas (taken from the 9 and a half million firing in the BR
In the cloners case 2mil poms distracted 5mil cloners (as none fired last tick)

big difference and down to cloners being VERY weak as both have exactly the same defensive stats in the manualWell the stars aren't the same exactly. Cloners are weaker, but not that much weaker I think

I've never heard of poms doing worse than 9:12.5 on Ninjas, so the numbers from the first two ticks don't make sense to me unless there were other LETs there

[dafe]

In the Ninjas case 9mil poms distracted 12.5mil ninjas (taken from the 9 and a half million firing in the BR
In the cloners case 2mil poms distracted 5mil cloners (as none fired last tick)

big difference and down to cloners being VERY weak as both have exactly the same defensive stats in the manualWell the stars aren't the same exactly. Cloners are weaker, but not that much weaker I think

I've never heard of poms doing worse than 9:12.5 on Ninjas, so the numbers from the first two ticks don't make sense to me unless there were other LETs there

there was nothing else there but cheese's staff and as he's bunker there is no other lethals then ninjas and cloners, and like you, the first 2 ticks didnt make much sense to me either

[vlad]

In the Ninjas case 9mil poms distracted 12.5mil ninjas (taken from the 9 and a half million firing in the BR
In the cloners case 2mil poms distracted 5mil cloners (as none fired last tick)

big difference and down to cloners being VERY weak as both have exactly the same defensive stats in the manualWell the stars aren't the same exactly. Cloners are weaker, but not that much weaker I think

I've never heard of poms doing worse than 9:12.5 on Ninjas, so the numbers from the first two ticks don't make sense to me unless there were other LETs there

PoMs distract SO well, but in numbers, they were never great at stopping the SO units, but in return, SO did very badly at damage when they did get to fire.

[Hippie]

I had the same problems Cheese had but with RO. i don't have the br's anymore, but there were units that fired after the RO :S ideas anyone? (it has happened twice soo far)

[willymchilybily]

Gardener: 44,990,000
Geo-Phys Thief: 10,000
Ninja: 22,000,000
Cloner: 5,000,000

add it up = 72,000,000

take away the amount of ninjas that got through last time.

72,000,000-9,552,619 = 62,447,381

[range] 11,465,147 hostile Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 62,044,023 allied staff.


62,447,381-62,044,023 = 403,358
so pom stopped all but the ninjas and 403,358 other troops

then on the close tick
909,912 hostile Protestor Leader attacked, distracting 578,278 allied staff

as cloners are weaker than ninjas its fair to assume they would be stopped easier. so these extra units being stopped more than accounts for the 403,358 other troops that were left midd tick. the fact they target lethals,nld,nlts meant that those 578,278 men were all lethals that got stopped.

so its clear that all the cloners were stopped. on the asusmption the same amount of ninjas that werent stopped last time once again werent stopped at the close tick.

as for why the ninjas didnt flack the cloners better. or why the cloners were so easily stopped, i think that was shown best with Melnibone and turnips posts.

im sure when i was bunker for the first time cloners were really good, and not as weak. but then i was small and every one else flacked my cloners with thier lethals to a greater degree.

but i wouldnt be surprised if cloners and most bribers of similar ilk have had a small reduction in health/armour etc due to them now being the only unit type which can permanently kill troops

[mrmongo]

this does suck cheese i get it all the time with my cloners... i hit a dude with assassins... he had like 26mill ass and 9 mil ninja i sent 16mill ninja 12mill puppets and 970k cloners...
first tick he fired and i lost 4mill puppets 5mill ninja and 350k cloners.... the same kinda ration a 1/3 of them died even though they made up 1/29 of my lethals. They are stupidly weak and alwasy seem to be targetted....... and die :(