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willymchilybily
25-03-2008, 11:16 PM
well basically it goes like this. i joined in a bash. was 3rd in a wave on a target

Tick b4 me(attacking for 2 from my point of view)
[close] 48,411 allied Geo-Phys Thief stole 252 land. [60] tree. [79] bush. [55] flower. [58] grass. [0] uncultivated.


my close tick

Battle Report - Attacking por victim[****]
[close] 125,000 allied Protestor Leader attacked, distracting 10,246 hostile staff.
[close] 750,000 allied Extremist attacked, killing 301,565 hostile staff.
[close] 76,201 hostile Hippy attacked, distracting 70,198 allied staff.
[close] 1,000,001 allied Fanatic attacked, killing 103,987 hostile staff.
[close] 714,351 hostile Protestor Guru attacked, distracting 3,731,778 allied staff.
[close] 388,581 hostile Hippy Van attacked, distracting 177,492 allied staff.
[close] 244,944 allied Hippy Van attacked, distracting 62,922 hostile staff.
[close] 700,676 allied Loudspeaker Protestor shouted in the ears of and distracted 75,742 hostile staff.
[close] 31,194 allied Geo-Phys Thief stole 329 land. [78] tree. [104] bush. [71] flower. [76] grass. [0] uncultivated.

Distracted: 3,979,468 [£13,634,341,200] friendlies distracted. 148,910 [£1,976,264,000] enemies distracted.
Died: 405,552 [£4,538,128,000] enemies dead.

You stole 329 land. [78] tree. [104] bush. [71] flower. [76] grass. [0] uncultivated.
You gained 4,075 effectiveness.


so the geo's stole more than they were meant to. i think.

i was third in a wave of attacks. so when i was attacking for 3. the damage was already done to my target. and they ran the tick after getting smashed (when i was eta2) (so at eta 1 they would have had score drop).

buy the time attacking for 3 came round time they were 35% of my score
and had no defence. but then on my last tick. looking between my battle report and the spie. they got defended.

i dont know by who or how but the defence as you can see was pretty weak. and the only defenders i see in the victims br are bellow 40% of my score. and only at most 1-2 of them.

so how when bashing waving and being down right rude, did i manage to steal so much land. there was no indication af a cap. and i think i got the full 15%

though cant be sure. So i waved and i hit some one who was less than 80% of me by far (when i was attacking for 3) and the only thing that i can think is that the poxy defence stopped me getting capped.

im very tired. and had a long day. maybe im forgetting something. but how did i manage it? any one?

im not complaining. bug in my favour about time. but i just want to make sure that if it is a bug it doesnt happen to me. especially now with defenders causing less effect to the land cap, and the fact every one involved was much smaller than me

Polo
26-03-2008, 02:05 AM
The land cap formula uses the old L/F code. This code accounted for a percentage of your target's total value and also a certain amount of the value of anyone defending the target. There must have been enough defence there and the alliance must have been large enough so that your attack was considered "lawful".

willymchilybily
26-03-2008, 03:14 AM
[close] 250,000 allied Protestor Leader attacked, distracting 98,165 hostile staff.
[close] 2,000,000 allied Extremist attacked, killing 211,232 hostile staff.
[close] 68,456 allied Geo-Phys Thief stole 482 land. [112] tree. [288] bush. [41] flower. [41] grass. [0] uncultivated.

Distracted: 98,165 [£588,990,000] enemies distracted.
Died: 211,232 [£1,267,392,000] enemies dead.

You stole 482 land. [112] tree. [288] bush. [41] flower. [41] grass. [0] uncultivated.
You gained 1,986 effectiveness.




Mon 16th May, year 2. Morning Attacking ******
Battle Report - *******]
[middle] 2,000,000 allied Extremist attacked, killing 1,253,244 hostile staff.
[close] 1,085,305 hostile Hippy attacked, distracting 923,897 allied staff.
[middle] 1,000,000 allied Hippy Van attacked, distracting 236,313 hostile staff.
[close] 1,600,000 allied Cybernetic Warrior attacked, killing 775,908 hostile staff.
[close] 49,740 allied Geo-Phys Thief stole 367 land. [85] tree. [220] bush. [31] flower. [31] grass. [0] uncultivated.

Distracted: 923,897 [£2,047,601,400] friendlies distracted. 236,313 [£1,417,878,000] enemies distracted.
Died: 2,029,152 [£9,934,055,800] enemies dead.

You gained 7,900 effectiveness.




target 60% of me

80% of allie

allie gets cap i dont. no defence i was the end of the wave.

surely thats not right

DarkSider
26-03-2008, 10:44 AM
Current system takes into account valuation at the moment of sending (at least for victim, not sure about rest). Then for each tick it's calculated incoming hostile vs defence and the grab is reduced. The guys in front of you get reduced grabs as you are there in the BR when they steal the land, so it's bigger incoming hostile. After they get their grabs and you are left alone vs all defence the attack in that tick it's not seen so dishonorable anymore, it's you against victim at old valuation + all the defenders. It's not perfect but that's how it works atm :)

Melnibone
26-03-2008, 11:59 AM
If anything i think this illustrates the system working rather than failing

AR, landcaps etc etc should only be in effect if the attack is unlawful or unfair on your last tick it was just you vs him and his defenders so why shouldnt you get a full grab?

Makes perfect sense to me

alwaysnumb
08-04-2008, 11:20 AM
I had it a couple tmes on follow ups. I get full or near full grab for landing on someone less than 30% my valuation when i arrive.

No-Dachi
08-04-2008, 09:09 PM
If anything i think this illustrates the system working rather than failing

AR, landcaps etc etc should only be in effect if the attack is unlawful or unfair on your last tick it was just you vs him and his defenders so why shouldnt you get a full grab?

Makes perfect sense to me

Because the attack seen as a whole was unlawful, and something this game does not wish to encourage?

Melnibone
08-04-2008, 10:45 PM
No-Dachi what you are suggesting might be 'unfair' buts its not unlawful as the game is set out

On that last tick it was one attacker against defenders so while the whole wave might be unfair the last mob was lawful hence why he got a good grab