Forum moderators loosen the hell up for crying out loud.

[Cheese]

'LOCKED SUGGESTION ALREADY BEEN SAID please look through the forums before suggesting.'

See this over and over again and I'm sorry but what I think when that happens is oh look it's a parking attendant with a crappy job with a little bit of enforcement over me and because they have a crappy job they have to maximise this enforcement over me to ridiculous levels, thus making me think they are w**kers and life continuing.

YOU ARE NOT PARKING ATTENDANTS!

Loosen up and you may actually have people listening to you and treating you less like a bunch of morons.

Not a flame but if you don't get of the point of the thread I'm sure you'll lock it.

[Melnibone]

Already been suggested so therefore locked ;)

[antisback]

Also "flaming"

Please learn to tell the difference between teasing/having a laugh and genuine insulting/flaming

[Alcibiades]

Cheese, i'm all for lax moderators, but if something has been suggested before, locking it and writing that there are other threads does not constitute them being 'tight ass' in my opinion. It is their job to 'moderate' the forums, and for the most part, they do a good job. I dislike seeing repeat suggestions as much as any other, and frankly think you are just being the tiniest bit ridiculous with your gripe ;)

[f0xx]

Well I admit I haven't really read the sticky thread about weather, but I've been around for like 3 years now and I haven't seen a single suggestion concerning weather forecasting...

And yes, my suggestion deserved to be locked, but perhaps a link to such a suggestion that has been shot down before, or a quote from the sticky thread, I don't know... but just saying "this has been suggested before" and locking the whole thread does not seem very constructive for me, especially for a mod.

[Mysterious]

I know this may be a bit too much to handle, but I genuinely think it also helps if you don't come across as an arse when you're locking a thread for repeat suggestions. Don't need to sugar coat it, but it'd be nice if you could phrase it like the person suggesting (*cough* f0xx *cough*) didn't just commit a crime punishable by death or something like that. Don't get me wrong, some mods can do it really well. Some just seem like a tight *******. :P

[Cheese]

My post was rushed as I was busy but these 2 explained my opinion further :)

[saint1d]

Well I admit I haven't really read the sticky thread about weather, but I've been around for like 3 years now and I haven't seen a single suggestion concerning weather forecasting...

And yes, my suggestion deserved to be locked, but perhaps a link to such a suggestion that has been shot down before, or a quote from the sticky thread, I don't know... but just saying "this has been suggested before" and locking the whole thread does not seem very constructive for me, especially for a mod.


agreed, I saw your post and the reference to the existing thread, but could I find it? - No

[Markb]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=169 (http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=169)

Sticky ontop of suggestions forum titled "The weather" by Welshie. Same as it has been on the old forums. No way in hell can you miss it :P

[pinpower]

tbh....while i love you f0xx...your suggestion was stupid...

Normally we only see weather suggestions from newbies...cant believe you would suggest it!...also, tbf the thread by welshie entitled "Weather" (or something similar) is right next to the "Post new thread" button...

In this case mods were fine...

[Cheese]

the way f0xx was dealt with triggered me off but it's not exactly the first time...

[pinpower]

There is a sticky in these forums explaining why the answer will always be no.

please read previous suggestions before making new ones.

Point out where he was unreasonable?

He told f0xx where to find the reason for lockage (the sticky thread)...why does he need to post a link when its at the top of the suggestions bit...? A trained monkey could find it..

And he didnt shout, or use capitals etc...he says "please"

tbh i think that response is fine...

[Bobbin]

Tbh, i think my response was fine too...

If you have genuine suggestions for the moderation team, sure, go ahead and make them.

However, personal attacks against the people who volunteer to help run these forums won't be tolerated. And I'll lock this thread/any others/hand out warnings without a second thought if it continues.

And Cheese, your post was a flame. I think you need to look up the definition of flaming, but I'm pretty damned sure personal attacks fall under flames.

[Axis]

If you're prepared to lock a thread, could you also be prepared to link to the previous thread where the topic was discussed? Bit irritating :/

[Mysterious]

Nickk sucks :P

[Bobbin]

If you're prepared to lock a thread, could you also be prepared to link to the previous thread where the topic was discussed? Bit irritating :/

Sorry, but don't have time to go linking threads, some of us are busy ya know?

Especially as the thread in question is a sticky in the same forums, AND the forum guidelines state to read previous suggestions before making new ones.

As i said, i think my response was more than justified.

[Cheese]

Ok if you want a suggestion for the moderator team:

By all means enforce the rules, cannot fault you for that at all. You guys are no different to the rest of us... if we start being cocky / inpolite you tell us... so why can't I tell you if you do the same?

My suggestion is that you guys just loosen up it takes a matter of seconds to find a post and link it... for peoples own use because they clearly weren't aware of the suggestion been placed before so make them aware and give them a link.

And a simple: 'Sorry but I'm locking this thread because the suggestion has already been suggested and declined please see: http:///www.imahappymod.com thank you.' Would seem so much better in my eyes.

If I saw this relaxed attitude while still enforcing the rules to the best of the mods abilities then I would most certainly respond in a positive way and it would make your jobs alot more enjoyable. Don't know about other people but I'm sure alot will agree.

Treat me with respect and I will treat you with the same respect.
Treat me like a random n00b and I'll do the same.

It's how the world goes, this is my opinion so take the advice if you want if not then don't... I personally don't believe this suggestion needs to be discussed anymore so feel free to lock it :p

[pinpower]

If you're prepared to lock a thread, could you also be prepared to link to the previous thread where the topic was discussed? Bit irritating :/

tbh...a simple search will normally do the same job..and it takes about 20 seconds...

[Cheese]

If you're prepared to lock a thread, could you also be prepared to link to the previous thread where the topic was discussed? Bit irritating :/

tbh...a simple search will normally do the same job..and it takes about 20 seconds...
Saying it takes about 20 seconds makes me want to ask you why can't the mod do it for when they lock a post? :P

[pinpower]

well..they could...but if someone is so concerned about something they feel the need to make a suggestion about it why cant they take the time to do a search themselves??

;)

[Melnibone]

Because the search function is very sensitive and unless you know what your doing you may not get an accurate or even any results at all

Yes i know the case in point was an experienced players suggestion but that is irrelevant it could have been a new(ish) player about 13 yrs old who did not know how the forums worked properly, as part of a forum mods job i assume is impartiality then all players should be offered the support and help of the lowest common denominator

Also forum mods are volunteers who agree to give up their time to help the community in their chosen role if it only takes 20 seconds to do and any mod 'doesnt have the time' to do it maybe they dont have the time to be a mod and should consider passing the job on to someone who has

[Cheese]

well..they could...but if someone is so concerned about something they feel the need to make a suggestion about it why cant they take the time to do a search themselves??

;)
Don't believe any of my suggestions have been locked for already been suggested... ;)
But I dare you spend 20seconds to find out if I'm lying :o

Anyways yes Melni you are 110% correct (please note I don't think I have ever said this to melni and yes you may use the search feature of the forum to prove me wrong)

This suggestion isn't meant as a personal attack, flame or anything...
I'm actually complimenting the moderators for enforcing the rules... it's their attitude that I feel needs altering.

[Mysterious]

I think the point of the post is simply, "Chill ouuuut mon".

[Axis]

If you're prepared to lock a thread, could you also be prepared to link to the previous thread where the topic was discussed? Bit irritating :/

tbh...a simple search will normally do the same job..and it takes about 20 seconds...


I didn't suggest it for my end, I thought it would be a useful addition for newer forum users who are bound to want to ask a similar question. I just think it would be 'n00b' friendly, as we seem to have such a drive for that atm.


Sorry, but don't have time to go linking threads, some of us are busy ya know?

Especially as the thread in question is a sticky in the same forums, AND the forum guidelines state to read previous suggestions before making new ones.

As i said, i think my response was more than justified.

Sorry babe, I didn't have any threads in mind in particular. Just thought it would be 'n00b friendly' thing to do, if you have time to lock down a thread... do it properly! Someone else took time to create it!


Also forum mods are volunteers who agree to give up their time to help the community in their chosen role if it only takes 20 seconds to do and any mod 'doesnt have the time' to do it maybe they dont have the time to be a mod and should consider passing the job on to someone who has

Well put!

[Bobbin]

Also forum mods are volunteers who agree to give up their time to help the community in their chosen role if it only takes 20 seconds to do and any mod 'doesnt have the time' to do it maybe they dont have the time to be a mod and should consider passing the job on to someone who has

Or maybe we do have time to moderate the forums, however, i don't see any point in wasting time linking to a thread that is clearly stickied at the top of the forum page. And it's not like i didn't point people towards that thread is it?

[Cheese]

Also forum mods are volunteers who agree to give up their time to help the community in their chosen role if it only takes 20 seconds to do and any mod 'doesnt have the time' to do it maybe they dont have the time to be a mod and should consider passing the job on to someone who has

Or maybe we do have time to moderate the forums, however, i don't see any point in wasting time linking to a thread that is clearly stickied at the top of the forum page. And it's not like i didn't point people towards that thread is it?

Stop refering to one post Bobbin when you know I'm refering to all the moderators and the majority of locked suggestions heres a few examples:
http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=180
And there you posted:
Would people please Search/Read other topics before suggesting?!

These things have already been suggested.

Locked

Lemme find another....

http://www.bushtarion.com/forums_old/vi ... 9&start=15 (http://www.bushtarion.com/forums_old/viewtopic.php?t=20989&start=15) I know it's not you locking it because it's been said but you still take the parking attendant view to it:
Yeah, lets get rid of the spam shall we? Bye bye thread.

Sorry it's all your posts Bobbin I'm just searching down through the posts and you're the one that keeps popping up!

One last one:
http://www.bushtarion.com/forums_old/vi ... hp?t=20333 (http://www.bushtarion.com/forums_old/viewtopic.php?t=20333)

been suggested a million times, and is never going to be implemented. Ever.

Not picking on you so don't jump on that boat please... this is constructive critisism for ALL the moderators.

[Cheese]

Not got anything to say to that Bobbin?

[Maxi]

To be honest, I don't think we're that 'strict' and 'uptight' if I compare the Bushforums to other websites and forums I visit and used to Mod at. I haven't seen much unfair edits or topic locks. Criticizing is good if coupled with suggestions for improvement and if taken into account, ofcourse. People usually don't 'like' a certain group who are 'enforcing rules', just look at the police. Both sides should do as much as possible to get along with just fine.

If you think I/we've been unfair or plain wrong just state it and explain; next time we'll take it into account or have another look at a certain issue. ;)

Btw; I don't think Bobbin has done a bad job, and although adding a link or maybe explaining it a bit more would've been more user friendly, he has his own way of moderating as all of us have. He wouldn't have been 'hired' if Azzer didn't think he was up to the task. Bring on the debate. :P


*smokes Tana's peace-pipe*

[harriergirl]

The truth of the matter is :

Unfortunately this all comes back to Azzer. For whatever reason ( and I do sympathize if it's personal ) he hasn't been a present force in the game for a few rounds now. He's throwing alot of changes.. some good and some very bad into the game then disappearing.

The morale in general is getting more rowdy and people are taking advantage of azzer not being here and making the mods jobs tougher. Also because Azzer isn't here to back them up with in game punishments for bad behavior they can only do so much.

Mods.. I love you guys.. but whatever stress you are under. you need to be kinder. I understand you want to defend yourselves. But as the playerbase is already disgruntled you should really be working as Azzer's customer service and put on a more helpful face. Whether you want to admit it or not your brusque attitudes chase away as many new faces to forums and IRC as the way our players present themselves.

Now let's stop pointing fingers..
smoke a peace pipe filled with your choice of substance

and chill the frack out
:smokin:

[DarkSider]

I'd smoke the pipe but i'm not smoker :)
Anyway a good spank and a bit of dancing should do.
http://www.linkmania.ro/forums/style_emoticons/default/bananadance2.gif

[harriergirl]

:winner:

Peanut Butter Jelly Time, Peanut Butter Jelly Time

[Martin]

Interesting and good outlook, the only thing I flag up is the posting a link when we lock a Suggestion - but tbh, have you used the search filter? It's sh!t.
It doesn't take much to just lock it politly and tbh I think most of us do. We may be lax when it comes to older members as Bobbin has with f0xx.

My opinion is now that there is such a limitation on how people can play the game, personal insults are the one way to 'debate' as there is such a limit on the styles. I don't think there is a way to be more leniant than we are in all fairness it's just the same old cr*p on the forums with people whinging about how the game has changed.
No real suggestions can be put forward as there are so many rules and regulations now that it will mess something else up.

I think a more community feel needs to be bought back, like the voting we had ages ago in preferences, that was a great way to feel people had an input. At the moment it's the same old hiarchy up top who verbally abuse each other on forums. We cannot be leniant against the 'old skool' who know the rules.



tbh, now there are too many rules!

[willymchilybily]

sorry if this was answered b4.
but i think this is an appropriate area to ask this question

we are expected to check the forum for previous suggestions. Does that also mean we have to check the old forums?

also on topic: You guys are all crazy. ive done searches b4 and known exactly what i wanted and what topic it was in. but i search and i cant find the relevant topic. and that was at the begining of the new forums. when there was only 2 pages of topics. under any sub catagory.

now there are pages and pages. how the hell am i meant to find it. if it doesnt come up first search. so surely if you lock a thread. then you should paste a link. As if you cant find a link for all you know the topic could have been deleted.

my point. if you moderaters/helpers are in the postion of power to lock a thread. then you should also help find the old thread. and if you cant then you should unlock the thread, with great power comes great reponsibility. If you cant find the old topic, and you know it exists, how is some one that doesnt know it exists meant to find it. and as you said. the rules are to search b4 you post. so technically they should have already searched and not been able to find it anyway. not a jibe at any one. as tbh i cba to be a moderater and find links. but thats your role. your responsibility. if you cba to look. then dont lock the thread. just my opinion. (and for all you know the thread could have been deleted)

[Cheese]

Interesting and good outlook, the only thing I flag up is the posting a link when we lock a Suggestion - but tbh, have you used the search filter? It's sh!t.
It doesn't take much to just lock it politly and tbh I think most of us do. We may be lax when it comes to older members as Bobbin has with f0xx.

My opinion is now that there is such a limitation on how people can play the game, personal insults are the one way to 'debate' as there is such a limit on the styles. I don't think there is a way to be more leniant than we are in all fairness it's just the same old cr*p on the forums with people whinging about how the game has changed.
No real suggestions can be put forward as there are so many rules and regulations now that it will mess something else up.

I think a more community feel needs to be bought back, like the voting we had ages ago in preferences, that was a great way to feel people had an input. At the moment it's the same old hiarchy up top who verbally abuse each other on forums. We cannot be leniant against the 'old skool' who know the rules.



tbh, now there are too many rules!
Don't think you have got my point fully mate.
I aint singling bobbin out or that thread... was just saying a more friendly and helpful approach to moderating would help newbies and make people appreciate the hard work the moderators do.