Help Please :(

[Akster]

What mobs can cloak? becuase AGAIN bushtarion has ****ed me up and killed all of my mobs...exept for the bloody injury rate...used Hack to look into 2 peoples units....but again bushtarion fails to mention this is bull **** and it desnt say that you may be ****ed by mobs you cant see like ninjas, bunkers....i think this is the 7th time my mobs have been wiped besides for teh injury count why the **** does it not warn you about anything is this bloody game and just lets you get killed over and over with no warning...id kill for a REAL guide to bushtarion besides how to grow your seeds how to attac, flak and intel...

No wonder so many peole leave this game early, they alays get killed because there is never anything about 'hey,your going to die here because we can not be botherd to write a proper guide telling you that hacking does not show all mobs, that attacking ANYONE is a waste of time as all of your mobs will die, so quit the game now and spare yourself the hassle of not being told basic noob information like this'

bet you cant tell im getting fed up of getting ****ed by 'noob' mistakes because there are few clear guides to the game...to hell with this im not attackign ANYONE untill i get 2.5k acres, which ill be every expensive but cheaper than my 3 mil skellies,18 mil gardeners and all those other mobs lost from attacking peole who seem weaker than they already are...just today i spent 10 bil on mobs, of which the money i could have used to get Zombie tached, and to see over half of them die along with all teh other mobs i had....

[antisback]

http://www.bushtarion.com/manual/units.php

ever read the manual?

[willymchilybily]

two pieces of advice
http://www.bushtarion.com/manual/techtree.php?TR=5
check out every route shown above


and all the others on that link, then double check it b4 sending an attack

in conjunction with this

http://www.bushtarion.com/manual/units.php?R16=1&Submit=Filter

if you had read the whole of the manual you would know what units your enemy could have. and you would know they may well be stealth

look under flags on the above link and you will see. ninja stealth. as in no amount of hacking will show them up



OTHER ROUTES TO BE AWARE OF

fantasy-VAMPIRE
special ops - ASSASSINS - NINJA - SECRET AGENTS - SLEEPING GAS TRAPS - SPIKE TRAPS
army - MARINES (in the heavy weapons route) -SNIPERS (in the rpgroute) -F117'S (in the ranger route)
protestor/thug - terrorist branch - TERRORIRST LEADERS


these are all the stealth unit.

now b4 you send out another single attack. check those pages i showed you, play with the buttons/hypelinks until it shows your route and the person your attackings route. check out the stars and the "init" column, the lower the init the faster they fire.

if they fire before you then chances are they may be able to hurt you. check out the stars and fully asses every detail of the enemy.;


and as you can see from the tech tree link any one with bunkers has to have the ability to have ninjas as it is the tech b4 you can get bunkers.


EDIT
i bet william doesnt have this problem , i bet he's read the manual inside out. some beginiers these days. play a relatively boring style of game. a web browser game, and expect to do well without reading stuff

[CLem]

Sorry to split hairs but you are missing all the traps and f-117.

Akster in the manual it said :
* "Hax0r": Shows the visible units owned by the target company - "Stealth" units will not show up.

You might have just missed it. From what you wrote I am guessing you ONLY hax people then attack them, you cannot do that at this stage of the game, you need to spy them also, this will give you a better idea of their alliance status, development status, and possible stealth troops they have.

This game is all about learning by making mistakes and learning from the community. Because the game is so complex it is very hard to write a complete noob guide but this is what the community is for, you can post questions here, people will answer pretty quickly or you can even join IRC and probably get an instant answer there!

[willymchilybily]

Sorry to split hairs but you are missing all the traps and f-117.

i wouldnt have been missing traps if it wasnt gash net at my end, crashing during "edit"

but yeah also watch out for

f117's

but not for a while


secret agents
marines
terrorist leaders
f117's

all are purchase units. so will only just begin arriving on the scene

[Akster]

I have looked through the manual part many many times, as i have played bushtarion on and off for years, i keep getting annoyed at it (as you can see lol) and as i think no game is worth getting frustrated about, i usully quit...but then come back because this is the only browser game ive seen that seems interesting to me...#

all the links you postd ive looked at hundreds of time, doesnt mean that i remember that you cant see stealth with Hax...guess i cant attack anybody then until i get spy, since as fantasy route i cant attack ANYONE with ranged units because mine are all close untill i get all the developments...

wish i cam back to bush at the start of the rund where these mistakes cnat really happen xD

[CLem]

care to explain why you choose to go fantasy?? Did you not look into what units you are going to get at different stage of the game and decide?? I used to play bushtarion on and off until about 3 years ago and I had no problem figuring out what are "stealth" or not, they are kinda common sense stuff like ninjas, traps and other things that are MEANT to be stealthy in real life.....not that hard to remember just a few units now is it?

[Akster]

Well, thats not at all patronising...and i didnt think about attack rnges when i chose fantasy, i took it because ive never played it before, and the conversion units zombie and vampire sure as hell grabbed my attention...

[pinpower]

since as fantasy route i cant attack ANYONE with ranged units


that seriously isnt true...flak!!! there will almost always be people you can flak past (especially at a low rank which i assume you are...)...just find someone with not many units..or find a prot...find an undertech'd robo etc etc...and flak baby!!!

[Saints]

protestor/thug - terrorist - TERRORIRST LEADERS

these are all the stealth unit.


terrors arent stealth

[tobapopalos]

You forgot to mention snipers. They can really screw you over.

[CFalcon]

you cant see stealth with Hax...guess i cant attack anybody then until i get spy

In general don't attack with LET (killing) units until you have spy. That means don't attack with your skeletons and zombies until you have spy.

However, it is still perfectly possible to attack with just INN units (gardeners, wheelbarrows, geo thieves) and get land. Just expect to take some losses, the land will usually be worth more than the losses.

I would have to agree though, it isn't obvious that a hack won't show stealth units. It took me a couple of minutes to find the one sentence in the manual that mentions it, and I know what I'm looking for.

[Garrett]

as a imba ezzzmode bunker this round, i have ninjas and flak and cloners... and just about everything whoops on up on that... however...

i still get land. like it's my job. there are some very small/simple, YET crucial pieces you are missing. I'm not going to rewrite the manual or player tips in here. people have pointed you to the manual. how about looking at the topics and headers for an area you seem to be confused on... then read it... then REread it... then really read it and not tell me you did.

then come and ask more coherent questions about the topics/points that you are confused on so we can answer you concisely on specific questions. currently most of your questions are so generic we just need to explain the game to you from a-z. (yes from a-z, completely, because you aren't really getting it. all the things you think you know, you are demonstrating that you really don't know)

then we can be a bigger help to you.

[f0xx]

Dont pay attention to Garret, he is able to get land without good LET units just because he is imba...

[CountZepplin]

Bunkers ain't stealth, yo. Now that would be REALLY imba ezzmode :P

[willymchilybily]

protestor/thug - terrorist - TERRORIRST LEADERS

these are all the stealth unit.


terrors arent stealth


last time i ever try to state facts when tired. btw all the ones in capitals were the units. the small letters indicated the route.

terrorist side of thug/protest route.


EDIT: lol i think william86(aka ezz mode) has turned garret against any one new at all :D but he has a point to be fair. if you read the manual. click the tabs to get the specific route of interest. then look at the flaggs, you see the stealth units.

and doesnt matter if you have read it. Theres a 100 different units. you never ever ever will remeber them all, all the stats, all the unit targeting info, all the ranges, all the initiatives. thats why you have a manual. so when i first started. every attack i would check, before i sent. what they had. when it shot etc etc.

if no one read the manual, and really read it, and refered to it, no one would realise you can tractor flack passed a striker that has no grenaiders, or a ranger route that hasnt developed harriers.
the manual has all the information and its only through looking and looking you can begin to see possible loop holes, and what may or may not work against what..

And then you have to test it. does that one star actually mean they are weak, or do they have more armour than that star is letting on. are they harder to kill than you think.

[JJbrosandjl]

If you need help in the game, feel free to PM me and I'll let you in my IRC channel ;P