Some Competittion.

[Davis]

Seems as if there could actually be a "fight" for rank one this round, in the end it really relies on how the top 3 allies decide to play, all similar land, score, everything. Could be some epic battles, I just hope that there isn't any team ups and they let each ally war for their rank alone but we all know that never happens.

Questions:
Do you think that there will be fair wars seeing as everyone is similar rank, or will 2 allies team up and have a boring victory?

If two allies team up who do you think it will be?

And after said two allies team up will it be a boring finish to the round or will they war between themselves?

Who do you think will end up on top?

-=-

Kinda random but I was bored and thought why not make a form post.

-Davis

[CLem]

it is only rational to team up so you kill the one of the competition with little effort and then you just effectively have to war with one alliance properly. That's what a good leader will do, but not necessarily a noble action ;)

[No-Dachi]

Since this is an honest thread, I'll give you as honest answer as I can, and I think that the numbers in the alliance "offensive combat stat tracking" will give you the clue you're looking for. It is quite peculiar that two of the top 3 alliances have not killed a single unit from eachother in attacks throughout the whole round. But as CLem pointed out: it's good policy to go two on one, and as they say: picking a fair fight is stupid - and I guess you don't win by being stupid.

[Davis]

while it's "stupid" and "wont win" it has won people rounds before and earned them a lot more respect, i mean lately this game winning means nothing, cody won last round for ****s sake :P but i think winning honorably through your own alliance being better (not politically better) than any other alliance should mean more but i completely understand why teaming up will happen :P

[Alcibiades]

Since when is teaming up to kill rank 1 a dishonourable action? As far as i'm concerned, any "resistance" that attacks rank 1 (and doesn't bash those who don't join the resistance at lower ranks) is an honourable, and viable option. Don't give ranks 2/3 **** because they're working together to prevent rank 1 from winning. That's just mental.

Also, you forget the corollary to a round that goes on for longer than usual. It'll mean people get tired eventually, and alliances are likely to crack. The competing alliances know this, and thus the longer the current stalemate runs, the higher the chance of combining forces to beat the opponent so as to force a finish one way or another. This'll lead to sleep filled nights for whoever wins, which makes teaming up to win the sensible, healthy and smart thing to do.

You may deride it as a lame move, but it's nothing you wouldn't do in their place. (And it's nothing you haven't done before either Davis; one needs merely look at your alliance membership history.)

Since this is an honest thread, I'll give you as honest answer as I can, and I think that the numbers in the alliance "offensive combat stat tracking" will give you the clue you're looking for. It is quite peculiar that two of the top 3 alliances have not killed a single unit from eachother in attacks throughout the whole round. But as CLem pointed out: it's good policy to go two on one, and as they say: picking a fair fight is stupid - and I guess you don't win by being stupid.

It is not peculiar at all that ranks 2/3 are not attacking each other in the interest of beating rank 1. What has happened to everyone's brain, has it been so long since there've been more than 2 competitive allies that people forget how resistances work?

[Melnibone]

Both rank 1+2 are similar in terms of score and land therefore a 'resistance' aimed at bringing down rank 1 is not in real terms a resistance is it?

All it is imo is propoganda to help either rank 2 or 3 or 4 replace the current rank 1 nothing more

[Alcibiades]

But that wasn't always the case Melnibone. Nor are ranks 2 and 3 really working together purposefully anymore. Case closed.

[Hobbezak]

Since this is an honest thread, I'll give you as honest answer as I can, and I think that the numbers in the alliance "offensive combat stat tracking" will give you the clue you're looking for. It is quite peculiar that two of the top 3 alliances have not killed a single unit from eachother in attacks throughout the whole round. But as CLem pointed out: it's good policy to go two on one, and as they say: picking a fair fight is stupid - and I guess you don't win by being stupid.

Obviously this is a POWERBLOCK!
Orrrrr maybe the reason why rank 1 is now about the almost size of rank 2, is because rank 2 and rank 3 worked together instead of letting rank 1 grow to the size of rank 2,3 & 4, combined and then thinking "oh sh... they're a bit large now aren't they? Let's start a resistance... Oh no, they're just too large, can't beat them, nvm".

So I think it all boils down to this:
- Scenario A: Rank 1 grows. Rank 2 and 3 work together in bringing rank 1 back to the size of rank 2. People whine because rank 1 is 2v1'd.
- Scenario B: Rank 1 grows. Rank 2 & 3 don't work together. People whine because the round is over so quickly, and because there is no resistance.

Conclusion: Whatever happens, people whine.

In case people haven't noticed: Rank 1 is still rank 1. You would have an argument if rank 1 had dropped to rank 2, and the new rank 1 and rank 3 teamed up on rank 2 further.

[Zaheen]

Conclusion: Whatever happens, people whine.

In case people haven't noticed: Rank 1 is still rank 1. You would have an argument if rank 1 had dropped to rank 2, and the new rank 1 and rank 3 teamed up on rank 2 further.

I find it hillarious on how half the players in this thread are Rank 2. Defending, pleading for help.

You guys are truly and utterly pathetic, you are exactly the same score as Rank 1 you backstabbing, bashing, waving noobs. So what are you saying, the moment you team up on Rank 1 and take the lead, then no more attacks will take place on Rank 2? Haha, you'll farm them down to Rank 5 if you had the chance, because that is what you do.

The way I see it: -
- Rank 1 have earned their rank, by taking ALL their land from Rank 2 and Rank 3.
- Rank 2 and Rank 3 have taken most of their land from Rank 4, 5 and 6, showing/proving that they will do whatever it takes to win, bashing, waving, hence killing the player base.

If Res help dRage quit in this war then they are the biggest idiotic alliance I have ever seen.
If dRage take the lead, it's clear that they wouldn't have done it without the help of Res anyway, they even wanted Bribe and OMG to help them at the start, shows you how crap they really are. Needed 4 alliances in the first 2 days to take out Rank 1? Haha.

Twigley is coming up from behind all 3 of you with almost the same amount of land, and NO troops. And I will laugh my face off if he even comes 2nd, let alone wins.

I don't think anybody should help dRage Quit bash out Rank 1, because they are full of no life scum, who can't play the game fairly.

Simple as that, dirty scum, rot in Bushtarion hell and die nubs.

[Hobbezak]

Conclusion: Whatever happens, people whine.

In case people haven't noticed: Rank 1 is still rank 1. You would have an argument if rank 1 had dropped to rank 2, and the new rank 1 and rank 3 teamed up on rank 2 further.

I find it hillarious on how half the players in this thread are Rank 2. Defending, pleading for help.
I find it insulting that you would question my ability to make an objective statement on something I'm involved in.

You guys are truly and utterly pathetic, you are exactly the same score as Rank 1 you backstabbing, bashing, waving noobs.
Who have we backstabbed?

So what are you saying, the moment you team up on Rank 1 and take the lead, then no more attacks will take place on Rank 2? Haha, you'll farm them down to Rank 5 if you had the chance, because that is what you do.
I never said we wouldn't attack them. I said you would have reason to question us if we teamed up on apha with Res, even if apha became rank 2.

The way I see it: -
- Rank 1 have earned their rank, by taking ALL their land from Rank 2 and Rank 3.
- Rank 2 and Rank 3 have taken most of their land from Rank 4, 5 and 6, showing/proving that they will do whatever it takes to win, bashing, waving, hence killing the player base.
If bashing and waving is killing the player base, then it's been dead since before I joined this game in r10.

If Res help dRage quit in this war then they are the biggest idiotic alliance I have ever seen.
If dRage take the lead, it's clear that they wouldn't have done it without the help of Res anyway, they even wanted Bribe and OMG to help them at the start, shows you how crap they really are. Needed 4 alliances in the first 2 days to take out Rank 1? Haha.

Twigley is coming up from behind all 3 of you with almost the same amount of land, and NO troops. And I will laugh my face off if he even comes 2nd, let alone wins.
You are entitled to your opinion.

I don't think anybody should help dRage Quit bash out Rank 1, because they are full of no life scum, who can't play the game fairly.

Simple as that, dirty scum, rot in Bushtarion hell and die nubs.
I have told you before, these kind of insults do not help you. I personally don't take people serious who have to resort to this.

[Twigley]

the numbers in the alliance "offensive combat stat tracking" will give you the clue you're looking for. It is quite peculiar that two of the top 3 alliances have not killed a single unit from eachother in attacks throughout the whole round. B

Wow i didn't even notice that, i thought it would be bigger than that.
I remember it being called a clear powerblock and Azzer stepping in on the RRR round when the top 2 allies (S2N and RRR) were aprox same score aswell with two other smaller allies approx same score (Enm and Fail). All be it it was mainly because we had done it the round before, but the evidence from Azzer was that we had barely attacked each other compared to the rest.

And we had even stole like 1k from each other aswell :P
And we hadn't even attacked with each other lols! (Like the current situation).


HOWEVER.


It does seem now it's a plain 1 v 1 fight and nearly every single mob drage sent out seems to only be on the rank 1 alliance so kudos for that.

And who knows? Maybe Res are waiting till rank 1 are down a little bit more and then team up with them? Their hits seem to of stopped because either drage said they wanna do it 1 v 1 or they wanna team up with rank 1, or they're biding their own time.

OOOHH THE DRAMA!!!

Disclaimer: I've just drank 2 cups of coffeeee

[Dax]

If you want my 2 cents, it's more that at the moment, Res helped us when we asked for it, so why waste time attacking them when we can be attacking the actual threat (ie, Aphall)? They haven't pestered us all round, and asked other alliances to help attack despite being rank 1 already. It's just simple battle-logic in my opinion.
Plus, Res are keeping a relative tab on the other alliances that were creeping up before - Why stop them from having their fun, as we're having ours? :P
There's no 'powerblock' - We just both have our own agendas to be carried out.

[cb1202]

res sent with us in 2 waves out of what 30ish? We asked for their help after BM and Aphall decided to team up against us. While this was short lived we felt like we would need help if it was 2 v 1 on us while we were still 20b behind in alliance score. After constant rushes, defense, and a few planned attacks we have managed to close the gap. If you look at the damage done we did 95% of it. The gap was closed through our own determination and persistance not because we teamed up with Res. Res helped in the 2 initial waves, but we have been working on our own ever since.

[Alcibiades]

CB speaks truly

[Twigley]

That is what i said after my "HOWEVER" part cb ;P

Also on topic - Seems apha got rid of some dead weight and are retaliating? :O
Just after last night on IRC everyone wrote them off as falling apart!
A twist.

[cb1202]

That is what i said after my "HOWEVER" part cb ;P

Also on topic - Seems apha got rid of some dead weight and are retaliating? :O
Just after last night on IRC everyone wrote them off as falling apart!
A twist.

I agreed with everything you said twigley. My post was directed at other people :D

[Dax]

Also on topic - Seems apha got rid of some dead weight and are retaliating? :O
Just after last night on IRC everyone wrote them off as falling apart!
A twist.

Disagree - We suicided horribly on an attack earlier. It's nowhere near over yet :P

[Ogluk]

yeah, Silence got my bikers killed! FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!

in other news, this is good fun, really looking forward to seeing how it all pans out, and whoever wins they'll atleast have worked for it for once
(unless Res sneak the win cos of Aphall and dRQ killing each other)

[Ryu]

Besides the huge power block from rank 2 and 3, and the GREAT ADVANTAGE drage took due to the Server Issues the other day.. Yeah, quite a fight.

Gotta admit though, every day back and forth at each other has been quite fun. Although, soon enough Res is gonna drift into first. Enjoy the peace and quiet.

[Stegosaurus]

Besides the huge power block from rank 2 and 3, and the GREAT ADVANTAGE drage took due to the Server Issues the other day.. Yeah, quite a fight.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. I would recommend getting an informed opinion.

[Ogluk]

Besides the huge power block from rank 2 and 3, and the GREAT ADVANTAGE drage took due to the Server Issues the other day.. Yeah, quite a fight.

powerblock... k... well its not like we could attack them without you guys spotting and sending at us, so attacking them isnt a sound tactical move, surely you should realise that

to clarify, THERE IS NO AGREEMENT BETWEEN dRAGE QUIT and Res of Meus Votum, circumstances just dont allow for attacking between the 2 alliances due to a predatory 3rd alliance in the picture, any move on each other would lead to being caught with the proverbial trousers down and would lead to undesirable consequences

so yeah, Ryu, use your brain and analyse the situation from another PoV before making sweeping accusations like that

[Alcibiades]

Besides the huge power block from rank 2 and 3, and the GREAT ADVANTAGE drage took due to the Server Issues the other day.. Yeah, quite a fight.

powerblock... k... well its not like we could attack them without you guys spotting and sending at us, so attacking them isnt a sound tactical move, surely you should realise that

to clarify, THERE IS NO AGREEMENT BETWEEN dRAGE QUIT and Res of Meus Votum, circumstances just dont allow for attacking between the 2 alliances due to a predatory 3rd alliance in the picture, any move on each other would lead to being caught with the proverbial trousers down and would lead to undesirable consequences

so yeah, Ryu, use your brain and analyse the situation from another PoV before making sweeping accusations like that

Indeed. Tactical analysis aside, I don't know who is in Res, but I can speak pretty authoritatively for most of the dRQ members; we do not like powerblocks (many of us were not in TBA, and were in fact defending against TBA; that round left a rather sour taste in our collective mouth) and would not condone them in any shape and form. If you knew our members, you would never have made such an absurd accusation.

As for server issues, well we've already dealt with that elsewhere iirc. The only thing we took on the server issue day was the initiative. You guys did not have it, and it cost you. We were luckier than you; that is all. Stop complaining and keep up the fight and all will be well!

[Hobbezak]

Besides the huge power block from rank 2 and 3, and the GREAT ADVANTAGE drage took due to the Server Issues the other day.. Yeah, quite a fight.

powerblock... k... well its not like we could attack them without you guys spotting and sending at us, so attacking them isnt a sound tactical move, surely you should realise that

Temporarily working together with another alliance in a war against a third, larger, alliance, is a powerblock Ogluk. Didn't you get the memo?
All resistances are now illegal, due to being an infringement on the EULA (the powerblock part)!

[Alcibiades]

Man. I honestly don't know what I did before I met you Hobbezak. You make everything so crystal clear and simple for a young confused Canadian on his first voyage to the great wide open world.

/me gets down on one knee.

Hobbezak, King of the Belgae and Father of Us All. Would you marry me?

[Dax]

Bored of hearing people throwing tantrums because they can't win the round in a few days anymore.
HERE'S TO FIGHTING ALL THE WAY!

[Zaheen]

Bored of hearing people throwing tantrums because they can't win the round in a few days anymore.
HERE'S TO FIGHTING ALL THE WAY!
You missed your target, surely?

I'm enjoying my round btw, cellphone and all. How is yours?
It's very well thanks, although I was and have been bored after the first few days as usual. I wish there were more routes to play, or a mix of routes which would make the game more fun. As for the pic, no I just frown a little, sometimes I laugh at my screen (yes sad I know), just depends how much of a retard the person I'm arguing with is.

You keep enjoying yours, I'm enjoying my life and sleep (without being disturbed).

[Stegosaurus]

That's cool zaheen. Good to see you're having fun.

Now everything aside. You have to admit, despite contactability, there is a good fight going for r1 yeah?

I respect your views, and I'd love not to be woken up... but that's the way the game is going nowadays, and you gotta adapt.

[Dax]

Bored of hearing people throwing tantrums because they can't win the round in a few days anymore.
HERE'S TO FIGHTING ALL THE WAY!
You missed your target, surely?

Pretty sure I've always been in rank 2 alliances, so to be in a rank 1 alliance where there's constant attacking and defending to fight for top rank has re-affirmed my faith in this game. I would have the same opinion if I were in any of the other 2 of the top 3 too (to which I could of joined both, too).
I don't like it when people say things that are totally unfounded, just so they can blame that fiction rather than admit that their incompetence has cost them their easy round win.
Contactability adds a very potent element of difficulty, when you have 2/3 alliances that all have it and want the top spot. The result of that is this round.
Eventually FTF alliances will be able to do their own thing, whilst the top 3 fight it out for no1.
Definitely looking forward to the time ahead (despite utterly despising my route choice).

[Zaheen]

That's cool zaheen. Good to see you're having fun.

Now everything aside. You have to admit, despite contactability, there is a good fight going for r1 yeah?

I respect your views, and I'd love not to be woken up... but that's the way the game is going nowadays, and you gotta adapt.
I don't need to adapt, because I will never change the way I play to the way you play? And people alike your playstyle?

Yeah I suppose it was/is a nice fight for rank 1 (not that I'm paying much attention), I have realised Res and dRage have been licking each others balls since day 1. Tag team/powerblock/quite sad really to say the least.

[Alcibiades]

We're not powerblocking.

If you're concerned that we're powerblocking, why don't you mail Azzer the evidence? Since he's the final arbiter of what does and does not constitute powerblocking he should be able to put this to rest. Until that time it would be appreciated if you would take your slander elsewhere.

[Zaheen]

Until that time it would be appreciated if you would take your slander elsewhere.
Nope.

You are definately allied with Res, amazing how in 19 days neither alliance has done any damage to each other, or stolen acres - amazing, you haven't even attacked each other. Notice how I said "tag team/powerblock" in the same sentance, they were inter-changable.

We'll see what happens now you have taken the lead, I bet you will continue to hold hands for days to come.

I don't need to forward anything to Azzer, everybody playing Bushtarion can click on the individual alliances and SEE that there is definately collusion.

[Alcibiades]

Suspicion is not proof; you have absolutely zero proof of any "collusion" between DRQ and Res for a powerblock. Yes we worked together a few times to hit Aphalla, hasn't been any working together since.

DRQ has been hitting Aphalla almost exclusively since we bashed OWL. We've sent i think 3 times with Res against Aphalla when there was a 15 bill score gap ( i can't remember the acre difference). And since then we've had almost zero communication.

Two alliances not attacking each other, while attacking rank 1 does not make a powerblock. Res and DRQ worked together solely for beating down Aphalla, who at the time was rank 1, with a half decent lead in both troops and land. Thanks for your uninformed opinion though.

[Twigley]

I found this quote pretty interesting:

From this thread: http://bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2597&highlight=powerblock

Something that has been recorded since the start of the round "In the background", is a new "Alliance Vs Alliance Damage Stats" - basically for every alliance in the game, it records how much land they have stole, how much kill damage they've done, and how much bribe damage they've done, versus each other alliance.

So I could, for example, see how much damage Enmity has done to Second To None (in terms of land loss, kills, and bribes), and how much damage has been done in return.

Now, the question is, where does this data want to me made available to you, the players? There's options;

1: We have a "Rounded" figure (like how the alliance scores/total land etc. is "rounded" on the alliances page), so if a random person (eg a solo player) clicks "Alliances", and then clicks "Enmity", they can see all of the alliances Enmity has fought/has been fighting Enmity, and see some very very rough & heavily rounded figures for combat damage between Enmity and all the other allies that have fought Enmity at all.
2: We make it visible only to the alliance in question - eg only members of Enmity can see how much damage Enmity has both given and received to all the other alliances in the game (and in this case, should it be visible by default to all members, or should it be hidden to all but the leader with the option for the leader to grant permissions to see it, or is there a permissions already in the game that should also give access to this page).
3: Something else?

Interesting because it's around the same time as the round is at now.
Azzer wanting to have these stats also for the reason of seeing if two allies havnt been hitting each other all round and IIRC people loved this idea because they could see when two allies had been leaving each other alone the whole round and hitting others.

Just saying ... found it interesting how one rule to then, but seems different to now? What was the point in making that Azz?


Anyway ... how about an update? :D cos the rankings are close and it's interesting to watch

Rank 1 and 2 are hitting rank 3 and 4 and not hitting each other.

Will Res ever hit drage before they have secured them the win?
Will apha recover to fight drage?

THE DRAMA!

[Zaheen]

Nice find Twigley (",)

Well it would be understandable if Rank 1 and 2 attacking Rank 3 didn't actually SEND AT THE SAME TIME like they are now, very co-ordinated, and very mutually organised and planned.

It's just the fact the the ranks have been nor here or there. dRAGE have been sitting on seeds for almost 2 weeks, and have been the "real threat" in my eyes, it's why I told Bruce I'd help him out as much as I could (which I also added, won't be much as all my alliance are inactives).

But back on to topic, they are definately allied. I have screenshots to prove there has been no attacks, damage, land taken or stolen between either alliances.

Also when they have been attacking my alliance, and Asphall, both sent at the same time. Co-ordinated it was, no proof needed I was online at the time.

[Ogluk]

dRAGE have been sitting on seeds for almost 2 weeks,

actually, we've been in a pitched battle for the last week and have very few saved seeds

a shame you're so deluded by your ideas of us powerblocking to notice the inc being traded between Aphalla and dRQ over the past week

Res have just been doing their own thing and not getting involved since the score gap between dRQ and Aphalla was closed, how that constitutes a power block i dont know

neither Aphalla nor dRQ have had a chance to attack them with sufficient force due to fear of an attack from the other whilst they're out attacking

the only reason dRQ hasnt attacked Res is because of that 1 reason, as soon as the situation with Aphalla is resolved, ie, either us or them are dead and land raped, im sure Res will get their turn

[Zaheen]

a shame you're so deluded by your ideas of us powerblocking to notice the inc being traded between Aphalla and dRQ over the past week
You have been sitting on seeds, that's the only reason you have the lead now. You sent with both Bribemania and Res, let them take all the hits whilst you sent nothing but flak and Geos.

And now you've still got all your LET alive, knowing that you won't be backstabbed by the ones you've been 'helping'.

Go and get the rest of your alliance to write some more garbage, it's hillarious.

[Dax]

dRAGE have been sitting on seeds for almost 2 weeks,

actually, we've been in a pitched battle for the last week and have very few saved seeds

a shame you're so deluded by your ideas of us powerblocking to notice the inc being traded between Aphalla and dRQ over the past week

Res have just been doing their own thing and not getting involved since the score gap between dRQ and Aphalla was closed, how that constitutes a power block i dont know

neither Aphalla nor dRQ have had a chance to attack them with sufficient force due to fear of an attack from the other whilst they're out attacking

the only reason dRQ hasnt attacked Res is because of that 1 reason, as soon as the situation with Aphalla is resolved, ie, either us or them are dead and land raped, im sure Res will get their turn

I swear I said this. I'm getting pretty fed up of this - We don't attack anybody else en masse because we simply can't. The moment we do, Aphall appear and hit us back - So why hit anyone else with that looming threat?
We have defended nightly every night since day 1 - Mostly against Aphall. There is NO POWERBLOCK. A resistance lasted two days when they were 20b+ ahead, then after they were reduced, it was ended.

[Ogluk]

a shame you're so deluded by your ideas of us powerblocking to notice the inc being traded between Aphalla and dRQ over the past week
You have been sitting on seeds, that's the only reason you have the lead now. You sent with both Bribemania and Res, let them take all the hits whilst you sent nothing but flak and Geos.

And now you've still got all your LET alive, knowing that you won't be backstabbed by the ones you've been 'helping'.

Go and get the rest of your alliance to write some more garbage, it's hillarious.

oh wow... i think i'd know if my alliance was sitting on seeds, instead of constantly planting to replace troops lost in the war effort, as ya know we'd have been dropping more score than we'd be gaining, but oh well, you must know whats going on up here better than me even though im the one fighting it, kk, gg to you ^_^

im not gunna comment further, i'll just continue to play how i play

[Alcibiades]

a shame you're so deluded by your ideas of us powerblocking to notice the inc being traded between Aphalla and dRQ over the past week
You have been sitting on seeds, that's the only reason you have the lead now.

Yeah. We've definitely been sitting on seeds, here's the proof of it. Drive bys of every single DRQ member. The longest one of our players has gone without planting has been 24 hours. Rofl. Yeah, definitely seed stocking. Clearly that's the only reason we're rank 1.

106,951,854 Seeds (£7,505,146,598) ~4 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 4,005,618 (£1,230,225,255) Bush 30,439,533 (£4,794,226,325) Flower 17,312,004 (£636,216,126) Grass 55,194,699 (£844,478,892)

942,930,476 Seeds (£79,356,487,584) ~37 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 43,024,671 (£13,213,952,010) Bush 352,812,281 (£55,567,934,100) Flower 102,753,874 (£3,776,204,838) Grass 444,339,650 (£6,798,396,636)

1,481,431,554 Seeds (£233,325,469,650) ~117 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 0 (£0) Bush 1,481,431,554 (£233,325,469,650) Flower 0 (£0) Grass 0 (£0)

1,724,776,529 Seeds (£109,970,159,921) ~51 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 48,469,332 (£14,886,143,370) Bush 459,862,313 (£72,428,314,175) Flower 188,535,930 (£6,928,695,396) Grass 1,027,908,954 (£15,727,006,980)

2,912,343,604 Seeds (£165,499,626,016) ~68 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 72,056,984 (£22,130,501,085) Bush 636,881,755 (£100,308,876,325) Flower 435,811,384 (£16,016,068,362) Grass 1,767,593,481 (£27,044,180,244)

6,081,232,179 Seeds (£411,424,628,861) ~145 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 212,672,534 (£65,317,051,800) Bush 1,662,270,353 (£261,807,580,475) Flower 929,779,508 (£34,169,396,898) Grass 3,276,509,784 (£50,130,599,688)

1,181,473,337 Seeds (£119,729,014,614) ~119 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 56,917,646 (£17,480,831,760) Bush 582,436,607 (£91,733,765,550) Flower 103,496,286 (£3,803,488,500) Grass 438,622,798 (£6,710,928,804)

3,537,174,904 Seeds (£187,347,297,550) ~69 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 76,477,568 (£23,488,172,820) Bush 717,322,852 (£112,978,349,050) Flower 415,251,566 (£15,260,495,040) Grass 2,328,122,918 (£35,620,280,640)

93,068,097 Seeds (£6,441,981,585) ~4 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 3,455,502 (£1,061,270,910) Bush 26,530,911 (£4,178,618,325) Flower 11,046,276 (£405,950,622) Grass 52,035,408 (£796,141,728)

419,255,877 Seeds (£30,891,611,608) ~15 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 15,450,637 (£4,745,276,865) Bush 131,594,355 (£20,726,110,825) Flower 58,526,685 (£2,150,855,658) Grass 213,684,200 (£3,269,368,260)

1,630,534,538 Seeds (£146,728,772,349) ~78 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 118,991,051 (£36,545,126,310) Bush 571,001,551 (£89,932,744,125) Flower 273,221,926 (£10,040,905,770) Grass 667,320,010 (£10,209,996,144)

1,667,856,169 Seeds (£124,901,505,531) ~68 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 74,757,537 (£22,959,908,370) Bush 501,302,391 (£78,955,126,425) Flower 292,866,587 (£10,762,847,046) Grass 798,929,654 (£12,223,623,690)

225,226,468 Seeds (£15,145,027,138) ~8 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 8,937,796 (£2,745,020,565) Bush 59,162,188 (£9,318,044,575) Flower 31,604,980 (£1,161,482,994) Grass 125,521,504 (£1,920,479,004)

447,157,051 Seeds (£43,002,918,948) ~15 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 17,454,678 (£5,360,767,965) Bush 212,350,630 (£33,445,224,225) Flower 40,626,812 (£1,493,035,320) Grass 176,724,931 (£2,703,891,438)

2,550,722,918 Seeds (£167,827,158,284) ~62 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 109,721,950 (£33,698,353,815) Bush 629,926,559 (£99,213,433,025) Flower 335,940,933 (£12,345,829,272) Grass 1,475,133,476 (£22,569,542,172)

10,712,771,237 Seeds (£922,914,656,886) ~408 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 381,824,470 (£117,267,840,270) Bush 4,403,953,800 (£693,622,723,500) Flower 994,923,113 (£36,563,424,366) Grass 4,932,069,854 (£75,460,668,750)

5,446,011,576 Seeds (£356,076,562,535) ~149 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 173,409,797 (£53,258,483,880) Bush 1,449,519,473 (£228,299,316,875) Flower 747,114,336 (£27,456,451,848) Grass 3,075,967,970 (£47,062,309,932)

89,693,126 Seeds (£6,668,273,472) ~3 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 4,183,388 (£1,284,822,945) Bush 26,888,944 (£4,235,008,575) Flower 11,726,986 (£430,966,704) Grass 46,893,808 (£717,475,248)

796,454,895 Seeds (£40,195,827,291) ~21 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 26,516,773 (£8,143,963,695) Bush 128,147,840 (£20,183,284,800) Flower 95,533,216 (£3,510,845,688) Grass 546,257,066 (£8,357,733,108)

2,288,342,705 Seeds (£312,610,910,910) ~139 ticks unplanted Seed Type Amount Tree 212,540,749 (£65,276,577,450) Bush 1,498,807,720 (£236,062,215,900) Flower 113,944,325 (£4,187,453,928) Grass 463,049,911 (£7,084,663,632)


We have a couple players who've been on vacation which is the few massed players. Otherwise we've got less than 200bill each in seeds. How is that seed massing?

[Alcibiades]

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[15:07:23] <Zaheen> Alcibiades, you pathetic prick
[15:07:41] <Zaheen> No point posting your bullshit seed paste logs days after you grew them
[15:07:44] <Alcibiades> If you have a gripe with me, why don't you PM me? I'm sure the whole channel doesn't need to be subjected to your vile tripe.
[15:07:45] <Zaheen> "Oh look, we didn't save seeds"
[15:07:47] <Zaheen> So full of ****
[15:07:57] <Alcibiades> rofl, pwned again, so you're changing your facts.
[15:07:58] <Alcibiades> epic win :P
[15:08:02] <Alcibiades> PM me if you have further problems
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So then if we planted, we're not seed stocking, which means we deserve the rank we have due to using our troops to good effect? Thanks for proving my point :P

[timtadams]

This thread makes for good lulz

Zaheen v Alci for the main course

with a side dish of Hobbes for added humour

love the Dr Evil pic Hobbes, u get rep for that ;)

[edit] apologies for not contributing, but i think everything that needs to be said at this point has been said, plenty of times

[Alcibiades]

I think Zaheen getting banned means I get a TKO?

On topic: Well, read my previous 20 posts :P

[Twigley]

Ok enough of the past now, nobody will ever agree with each other and for rounds to come there will be a difference of opinion. The leader of drage along with some of their members have admitted it was lame to hit 2 v 1, but they wont agree that it currently is a powerblock even if we disagree.

So current situation time from my perspective :)

Rank 1 is hitting rank 3.
Rank 2 is hitting rank 4.
Rank 1 and 2 still not touched each other.

Rank 1 won't hit rank 2 (Probally untill they've killed Apha, then they will maybe kill off Res, who i doubt will get any assistance. Good tactically for drage to use Res as flak at this stage now they are rank 1. Always nice to have a dog on a leash!).
Rank 2 won't hit rank 1 (The only reason i can think is that they must think they can beat drage when drage have a bigger lead in the future ... which in my opinion they have no chance of doing if left too long .... so maybe they are content at being drage's b1atches and infact they have no tactics but to just help the rank 1 ally win? I know two of Res just didnt want to see Bruce win at all costs, no matter how much the cost.)

^^ My opinion only.

[Alcibiades]

I don't think any of us have thought further ahead than killing Aphalla at the moment. At least, if my leaders have I haven't been informed. Then again i'm dangerous with information :( We all rather expected the round to turn out in a different manner, and I think we've all been caught with our metaphorical pants down. We were all rusty and not expecting a real fight for rank 1, so now that we're all lubed up (lol) and ready to go, this is the time to be watching. Aphalla and DRQ have both gotten considerably better/sharper defensively since the beginning of the round, and it's now down to long distance attacking and who can last the longest (that's what she said, lol).

I couldn't speak for Res, they may have a few cards up their sleeve.

As for Aphalla, I honestly wouldn't count them out. They've taken a few beatings, and come back every time, and they've given us more than our fair share of beatings too. I think this round has plenty of potential and life in it yet, unless something truly gay happens.

[Twigley]

Well now i've been thinking ... what is a powerblock?
I've always had it down as two allies working together against allies sameish score and preventing people lower than them growing.

Alci's definition is:

[00:25] <Alcibiades> 2 or more alliances in the top 3 ranks (usually) that work together to prevent the alliances underneath them from growing

Which is probally everyone else's idea.

So.
Do we now have a powerblock?

Two alliances (Rank 1 and 2) preventing the rank 3 and 4 alliances from growing and not hitting each other at all since day 1/2?

[Alcibiades]

We're not working together, ergo there is no powerblock.

[Twigley]

You have been.this round tho?
And working together is not just hitting with each other. One ally hitting one and one the other while not hitting each other would be working together. Wether its agreed in words or not.
You're both keeping lower ranks down and never hitting each other.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if the stats said ud fought with troops atleast once, or hadn't been massing an ally together.

[Alcibiades]

By that definition every round in bush history has had powerblocks. Your definition is too broad and does not take into account his rounds unusual circumstances of three competitive allies 3 weeks in.

Not to mention our working together was to take down rank 1. Resistances do not equal powerblocks as I've told you several times today. We are no longer working together, and haven't been for some time; so once again, no powerblock. Both the leaders of Res and dRQ understand that to hit each other now would mean a probable defeat for both while our enemies remain as yet unbeaten and someone else claiming rank 1. We're not working together, but we're both biding our time til our main enemies are gone, then I have no doubt we'll duke it out. I think you're confusing a sensible tactical decision with a powerblock.

Oh well, if you really think this is a PB, mail Azzer and he'll be the final judge. I've said my piece on this and don't think I can clarify it any further nor do i foresee any more constructive debate on this subject in the future. So let's agree to disagree, and let actions speak louder than words!

[Davis]

While I disagree with 99% of what Zaheen said, the IRC log is truthful (I doubt the "seed stocking" claims are) however just because you've planted recently doesn't disprove his point (however invalid/valid it may have been) he said you guys *were* not *are* seed stocking, and the reason you are winning is because after everyone was weakened you had a large seed stock to plant and bounce to rank one, however this is a valid tactic, so idk the issue here. I just wanted to point out that he wasn't just flaming with nonsense for that particular post

[Alcibiades]

Davis his post is UTTER nonsense. Who weakened Aphallatosis if it wasn't us? And we certainly didn't do it without troops. We may have stocked seeds as you put it But only until we had useful troops to buy. Would you mass shocks instead of waiting for RPGs? Would you mass Jeeps before TLs? Would you mass ninjas and assassins if you were getting SAs? Of course not!

We didn't bounce to rank 1. We fought tooth and nail to claw ourselves into first place. We have spent almost a week bouncing between rank 1 and 2 with Aphallatosis and with Res bobbing about there too. Check combat stats if you want it'll show we didn't just plant our way to rank 1. Hell. Spy our members and Aphallatosis, you'll see the proof of battle right there. So please make sure you've got all the correct facts before commenting.

Sheesh.

[IceOfFire]

We never sat on seeds, thats is such BS!! It really is!

This thread was such a waste of my time reading!

[Twigley]

STFU IOF YOU SUCK MORE

<3 You honey :D

[timthetyrant]

the thread makes a lot more sense once you put zaheen on ignore

[InSoMnIaC20]

If you want my 2 cents, it's more that at the moment, Res helped us when we asked for it, so why waste time attacking them when we can be attacking the actual threat (ie, Aphall)? They haven't pestered us all round, and asked other alliances to help attack despite being rank 1 already. It's just simple battle-logic in my opinion.
Plus, Res are keeping a relative tab on the other alliances that were creeping up before - Why stop them from having their fun, as we're having ours? :P
There's no 'powerblock' - We just both have our own agendas to be carried out.

Nail on the head, but seriously dax IT MUST BE A POWABLOCKZ OH NOES!

think about this any who seem to come to that conclusion.

Why, would i want to DESTROY a game i love?

Case closed.

[InSoMnIaC20]

the thread makes a lot more sense once you put zaheen on ignore

oh and totaly off topic...

<3

[Twigley]

Why, would i want to DESTROY a game i love?


That's what i'm wondering.

[Ryu]

dRAGE have been sitting on seeds for almost 2 weeks,

actually, we've been in a pitched battle for the last week and have very few saved seeds

a shame you're so deluded by your ideas of us powerblocking to notice the inc being traded between Aphalla and dRQ over the past week

Res have just been doing their own thing and not getting involved since the score gap between dRQ and Aphalla was closed, how that constitutes a power block i dont know



lol, both you and Res came back at us even when the gap had been closed..

POWERBLOCK

[Melnibone]

everyone in the powerblock posts excuses as to why its not a powerblock even after Twigley posted the 'official' view of a powerblock by the admin and it clearly applies with the information provided by alliance stats ingame

everyone outside insists it is even without full knowledge of the plans/conversations of the top 2 alliances which lets face it the apparent powerblock may be circumstance more than planning

what round is this it could almost be ANY round that ive played from rd 6 onwards, the game may have died a slow death nice to see the politics havent

good luck to both sides and may the person with the least life win!!!!!!!!

[timthetyrant]

have you noticed the kill involvement%? dRage Quit are like 73% on aphalla, 15% on OMG and next to nothing for everybody else, surely this mean dRage Quit are powablocking with every other alliance.

[Hobbezak]

dRAGE have been sitting on seeds for almost 2 weeks,

actually, we've been in a pitched battle for the last week and have very few saved seeds

a shame you're so deluded by your ideas of us powerblocking to notice the inc being traded between Aphalla and dRQ over the past week

Res have just been doing their own thing and not getting involved since the score gap between dRQ and Aphalla was closed, how that constitutes a power block i dont know



lol, both you and Res came back at us even when the gap had been closed..

POWERBLOCK

Hmm, I think we cannot deny this any further now.
About 2 weeks before the round, I had a chat with atsanjose about the coming round. I knew he had joined Bruce so I was really curious as to their line-up etc. Atsan admitted he didn't quite like the line-up, and the requirements of contactibility etc.

So when the chat progressed, we arrived at the point where atsan said he couldn't be arsed to play actively and all that, and he said he'd rather have us win than Apha. He sent me a list with people he thought were joining (either Bruce or whoever told him, or he just guessed). It was a rather impressive list tbh.
I told Ogluk about the people on the list, and he agreed that we couldn't handle such an amazing line-up, filled with the best players in the game and quite a bit more active and skilled than us. We were considering just going ftf and not bothering with the round, when Signer joined, and said he didn't want Bruce to win. I don't know why, but I assume they had a quarrel or something.

He suggested we should look for allies in other alliances, and as Ogluk & Dax knew some people in Res, we started talking to them.
To make a long story short: We decided before the round started to not stand in each others way, and work together in order to not let Bruce win. We swapped idlists at the start, and made sure we didn't attack eachother. Hence the 0-0 in troops killed between Res and dRage.

I hope this clears things up a bit, and puts an end to this discussion.

edit: I hope everyone understands from this that our only motivation to do this, was to create an exciting round for all, not for shiny ranks or anything.

edit 2: Now we're confessing, we should be confessing to everything. Atsanjose has also spied on incomings for us. He told us which defences were real and which weren't. That made our job (to try and take down apha) a bit easier. We only had a spy there to prolong the round though. We did what we did because otherwise the round would have been finished in only a few days, as Apha were just too good. Serves them right for taking all the active and skilled players in the game, instead of splitting up.
But now atsan has been kickraped, so it's dubious as to whether we'll be able to fend off apha for much longer. :/

We also spoke to Bribemania before the round, as Ed and I are excellent friends (we've met irl and went to have a beer or two), but they were performing very badly, so we decided to take them off our safelist and hit them (Otherwise Apha would've raped them and got even more land and would've created an even bigger lead). Ed's not angry about it though, so I don't think what we did was really that bad. I mean, if they don't mind, surely no one else should.

[IceOfFire]

There are 4 alliances who have agreed to a full power block with dRAGE.

This is true information.

[Davis]

IoF & Alci point out where I said, that you guys sat on seeds for a fact, (and no clipping and only using part of my post that benifit you) I was simply saying that what he said was possible and could have been true and that your logs of planting recently shows nothing.

[Ryu]

Wow, Atsan spied? Skilless pricks.

Between dRAGE stealing so much land because of the Server Crash and now comes out we had a spy telling you all where to defend and where to attack.. something better be compensated. People pay good money for the punits to have you spineless people screw it all up.

[Hobbezak]

Wow, Atsan spied? Skilless pricks.

Between dRAGE stealing so much land because of the Server Crash and now comes out we had a spy telling you all where to defend and where to attack.. something better be compensated. People pay good money for the punits to have you spineless people screw it all up.

Quoted.

edit: Wanted to add this to the topic, as it's extremely relevant:
Ryu- WOWWWWWWW
Ryu- The truth comes out in forums
Ryu- atsan is a punk
Ryu- and the powerblock is real
Ryu- gg
Ryu- Was he spying for you too?
Ryu- oh wait let me read on
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Ryu- So drage was using a spy the whole time?
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Kaj lol
Ryu- fags
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MiNiFrEaK Who's the source?
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MiNiFrEaK Zaheen?
Ryu- http://bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4717&page=5
Ryu- Hobbezak's post
Dennis really?
Dennis lol
* Dennis is a bad at bush politics :D
Dennis so*
Ryu- Atsan spied for drage
Ryu- You guys so gud!
Ryu- at bush
Dennis I DONT BELIEVE YOU RYU
Ryu- Their own member admits to it.
Ryu- Atsan and Shr3k must be brothers or something.
Ryu- Dirty spies
Dennis atsan is epic :(
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Ryu- I'd like to speak to Azzer actually.
Dennis 'tis all Hobbezaks fault!
Ryu- This is bullshit
Flip thats pretty gay
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Ryu- From losing tons of land and score to the server crash, and a spy.
Ryu- Screw this game if nothing happens, we pay for the ****ing punit
Flip btw, is anyone else still having server problems?
Flip every morning bush wont load for me untill i clear cookies
Ryu- fine for me
Flip last 3 days or so, when i wake up and try to load bush nothing loads :\
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MiNiFrEaK I've read hobbie's post and agree...but as for the exchange of I'D lists...spies were already out at that point. Can I also say we 'res' didn't have a leader until the end of the first week because Dill was not very well. I had to get azzer to make Tiff leader until dill was better.
MiNiFrEaK So anything agreed by dill wouldn't of been in place till he returned
Ryu- Cowards.
Ryu- All of you.
Ryu- Skilless cowards.
Ryu- This is my last round, if I don't quit early.

[bluehen55]

rofl

[Stegosaurus]

that's going in my journal.

[Koeniej]

ROFL.

so all the people who were utterly crying about a powerblock when Twigley did it now made a powerblock themselves? Hypocrites

[Ogluk]

need i point out to everyone, that Hobbe's post is so tongue in cheek that he looks like a hamster with a facial tumour

sarcasm and the internet rarely seem to get on, which is a shame

to summarise, i dont think a single word Hobbe said was actually true, i only skim read it, but yeah, atsan didnt spy, there is no powerblock and urm, yeah its all a load of tosh!

[Alcibiades]

IoF & Alci point out where I said, that you guys sat on seeds for a fact, (and no clipping and only using part of my post that benifit you) I was simply saying that what he said was possible and could have been true and that your logs of planting recently shows nothing.

Sure, it's possible we stocked seeds, but it's also possible the moon is made of cheese, and pigs really do fly. Come on dude.

To quote the infamous BlackWolf: "Your logic is illogical"

Aphalla couldn't be beaten without troops, to get troops you need to plant seeds, to get seeds you need to get land. We got land, then we got seeds, then we waited til we had real troops, then we got Aphalla. There's no other possible conclusion, unless Aphalla simply offed themselves. Think a little harder next time Davis. Many things are possible, but that doesn't mean they're probable.

As for Hobbezak; man you guys got trolled so hard. :D

[atsanjose]

dRAGE have been sitting on seeds for almost 2 weeks,

actually, we've been in a pitched battle for the last week and have very few saved seeds

a shame you're so deluded by your ideas of us powerblocking to notice the inc being traded between Aphalla and dRQ over the past week

Res have just been doing their own thing and not getting involved since the score gap between dRQ and Aphalla was closed, how that constitutes a power block i dont know



lol, both you and Res came back at us even when the gap had been closed..

POWERBLOCK


edit 2: Now we're confessing, we should be confessing to everything. Atsanjose has also spied on incomings for us. He told us which defences were real and which weren't. That made our job (to try and take down apha) a bit easier. We only had a spy there to prolong the round though. We did what we did because otherwise the round would have been finished in only a few days, as Apha were just too good. Serves them right for taking all the active and skilled players in the game, instead of splitting up.
But now atsan has been kickraped, so it's dubious as to whether we'll be able to fend off apha for much longer. :/


what
the
snitzel

i think that that rank 1 blood youre experiencing gone up to your head to fast.
I really dont know what youre trying to pull here, but i never thought you were capable of such a low stab below the belt, i never did such thing nor did i get kickedraped for something i didnt do, if you dont believe that just check my profile youll see my id there with the same amount of acres.
and btw on the whole "justify that we powerblocked against apha" dont, you guys are just making fools of yourself.
i hope youre happy with trying to make me look "bad", but iam not that hurt because most know me as an reasonable honour full guy. the only thing that hurt me is, that it is you, who i always considered as a friend, who stabs me in the back like this for no particular reason. really over the line.

i expect a written post of remorse in this topic or you can experience me ignoring you forever.

have fun.

[IceOfFire]

Atsan spied ALL round! Also we have 5 alliances in our powerblock now!!

[Dax]

Would you mass Jeeps before TLs? ... Of course not!


/kicks dust
Nobody ever does that. :lol:

[Alcibiades]

and btw on the whole "justify that we powerblocked against apha" dont, you guys are just making fools of yourself.

I hope you're joking; but on the off chance you're not; you do understand that a powerblock cannot be a powerblock if they work together to attack rank 1, right?

[IceOfFire]

Atsan and Cid spied for us by the way.

[Alcibiades]

Atsan and Cid spied for us by the way.

So did Hero, Recon, leeroy, Elspeth McGonagle, Teddy Roosevelt, The Blues Brothers, George Costanza, The man on the Moon, and Eric Clapton. OH, i almost forgot, James Bond spied for us too. OMG, don't forget Roswell, New Mexico, the alien landings, and crop circles. We're responsible for all that too.

Not to mention our infiltration of Aphalla with a rank 76 Moldovian Jumping Spider. Fortunately, they're only lethal to old ladies, in mines near Ayres Rock.

http://i33.tinypic.com/idwpwg.jpg

[IceOfFire]

Hahaha, no its not a joke! Atsan really was a spy!!

/me rolls eyes

[Dax]

Atsan and Cid spied for us by the way.

So did Hero, Recon, leeroy, Elspeth McGonagle, Teddy Roosevelt, The Blues Brothers, George Costanza, The man on the Moon, and Eric Clapton. OH, i almost forgot, James Bond spied for us too. OMG, don't forget Roswell, New Mexico, the alien landings, and crop circles. We're responsible for all that too.

Not to mention our infiltration of Aphalla with a rank 76 Moldovian Jumping Spider. Fortunately, they're only lethal to old ladies, in mines near Ayres Rock.

Pretty sure I'm in tears right now.

[IceOfFire]

1. Res only helped for 2 attacks - Any more attacks were just coincidence (That is the truth before you moan)
2. Atsan never spied - You idiotic fools!
3. dRage and Res haven't crossed fire yet because we (dRage) are busy fighting rank 1. Res helped to start then they stopped. Clearly just keeping their heads down while we fight. (Which worked as they are close in score now). So im sure soon fighting will start before very long.
4. Apart from the Resistance attacks we have NEVER had any contact with Res about teaming up.

So everyone just shut up thinking you know what is going on! Just leave everyone to do their own thing. No one is teamed up (Apart from the new resistance which im sure will appear soon) Just shut up, enjoy the game and have some wars people.

I PROMISED i wasn't going to get involved with politics this round, but with all this stupidity flying around i had to!

Shut up and play the God dam game!!

[Twigley]

It would be interesting to hear Azzer or Weeble's take on it.

[CFalcon]

To my mind, a powerblock is when ranks 1 and 2 (or more) are not attacking each other even though they don't have any other threats/targets. Could also be applied to (for example) ranks 3,4,5 not attacking each other even though they don't have any other threats (ranks 1 and 2 being too high ranked to hit them).

Perhaps you disagree, but that's what the word means to me. You say powerblock, I think TBA and Dragons. Lack of damage between alliances isn't proof in an of itself.

Discuss.

[Alcibiades]

To my mind, a powerblock is when ranks 1 and 2 (or more) are not attacking each other even though they don't have any other threats/targets. Could also be applied to (for example) ranks 3,4,5 not attacking each other even though they don't have any other threats (ranks 1 and 2 being too high ranked to hit them).

Perhaps you disagree, but that's what the word means to me. You say powerblock, I think TBA and Dragons. Lack of damage between alliances isn't proof in an of itself.

Finally someone who said exactly what I meant to say, but in the proper words.

[Davis]

snip

[CFalcon]

Don't think they've discovered sarcasm in america yet :/

[Davis]

i didn't read through the rest of the posts and only read his original one, idk if im convinced it was sarcasm but i guess if it was my bad :P

[Dax]

Y'all niggers posting in a troll thread.

[Hobbezak]

i didn't read through the rest of the posts and only read his original one, idk if im convinced it was sarcasm but i guess if it was my bad :P

It wasn't sarcasm. It also wasn't entirely a troll.
I wanted to make a convincing story (albeit clearly exagerating some points so only really gullible people wouldn't understand it was entirely made up).
The idea was to show people that you can make someone believe anything, as long as that person wants to believe it.

Twigley has been throwing around the whole powerblock nonsense for days now. The people who believed it, are the people who wanted to believe it. Like Melni, who I imagine sees powerblocks in daily life when buying meat at the butchers. Twigley knows from experience that some people in this game will pretty much believe anything, as long as it sounds good to them.

So in this case: I tried to make us look as bad as possible, because I knew that was what some people wanted to hear. People WANTED to hear we played underhand tactics. Ryu WANTED to hear there was a spy. He later on told me he suspected there was a spy in his alliance.
Or take DeathScythe for example. He should really have known better than to think that atsan would ever spy. Yet he was in doubt and ready to believe. Because he wanted to believe. He wanted to blame someone for the alliance falling.

My point was that maybe people should think twice before believing propaganda which was chewed for them by Twigley or anyone else.

So yeah, everything I said there was made up. Like the entire powerblock nonsense. So I think my post fitted in brilliantly with the rest of the storytelling in this thread.

[Twigley]

Twigley knows from experience that some people in this game will pretty much believe anything, as long as it sounds good to them.

My point was that maybe people should think twice before believing propaganda which was chewed for them by Twigley or anyone else.


Yeah they will.
Like you both not hitting each other since day 2 but "not powerblocking" and you "magically avoided doing any damage to each other".
Works both ways the spouting of propaganda.
I'm only telling the facts and one of the reasons Azzer put that there in the first place.


Just because you can be sarcastic to try and blow it over, and have 4/5/6/7 of your other members in your ally post in this thread agreeing with you who were in the powerblock, doesn't mean you aint spouting ****. It's a clever tactic tho blowing it out of proportion, sarcastically making stupid things up which nobody is even saying is true and then applying the BS rule to the whole thing.

The fact is all these people outside your ally think it is/was a powerblock.
You can keep saying it isn't and if you say it enough, you'll beleive it.
But in the eyes of many, the win is tainted.
Because yeah it is a win, Res got the hard end of your little 2 and a half week snap. I don't know which ally was worse. You for having to use them as a shield, or them for buying the deal.

I was pretty surprised to hear Ogluk possibly slip of the tounge/fingers say that he had told Res they wouldnt touch them till Apha was dead. Not working together my arse.

Dont hit each other.
Hit with each other, all be it only a few times.
Tell each other your plans?

What was the definition of a powerblock again?

[CFalcon]

In what sense have Res "got the hard end"? They were barely 50% of rank 1 a fortnight ago, now they're 95%.

RQ:
Land Taken: Land Lost: Kill Damage Done: Kill Damage Received: Bribe Damage Done: Bribe Damage Received:
Aphallatosis 27,000 36,000 38,110,000,000 34,040,000,000 5,937,000,000 5,934,000,000

Res:
Land Taken: Land Lost: Kill Damage Done: Kill Damage Received: Bribe Damage Done: Bribe Damage Received:
Aphallatosis 8,000 16,000 2,631,000,000 4,484,000,000 1,430,000,000 448,000,000

Rather seems like RQ have got the raw end of the 'deal'. Did all the work, yet roughly equal ranks.

[Twigley]

Res were always going to have the hard end.
They don't have the activity or organisation to challenge drage.
They are keeping acres nice and warm for dRAGE.
They've had their week of fame giving them the win by never hitting them for 2+ weeks, and soon the round will be over and they will be bashed along with the rest of us.

Seen as though you edited:

How naive are you?
RQ's perfect way to victory was to tell Res they wont hit them, attack Apha and continue to never hit Res.
That is the absolute ideal situation for drage. I dont think it could of worked out any better.
Theyve played it perfectly, even if you discount the fact people think they powerblocked to do it.
Res could barely land on Second To Some, and not kill us at all, who were the most land fat alliance in the game and had about 3 times less of their troops and have about 10 members who have never even been in a rank 2 ally.
No chance against someone their size.

[CFalcon]

I just don't buy the idea that RQ have ridden to an easy victory on the back of Res.

1. Look long and hard at those statistics in my previous post and tell me RQ did nothing.

2. Why assume the round is over?

Edit: So your point is.... Res aren't a very good alliance? Or that they should have worked with rank 1 against rank 2? Or that they should hit RQ now? (Rather jumping the gun there, they still might).

[Twigley]

I just don't buy the idea that RQ have ridden to an easy victory on the back of Res.

1. Look long and hard at those statistics in my previous post and tell me RQ did nothing.

2. Why assume the round is over?

Read my edit.
It answers both questions.
I never said RQ did nothing.
I said they got the perfect deal, and couldnt of played it any better, legit or otherwise. Res have been their *****es standing by keeping the land warm, attempting to bash the lower allies.

[Dax]

Tbf Twogley, regardless of your complaining, I've been rank 2/3 for a long time now. I've been in the alliances where you have to fight the simply overwhelming odds, get woken up during the night to send masses of fake defences and send out to take land hits - To alliances that rose without a challenge. This round, regardless of your take on it, has been a challenge.
I've been enjoying the battle reports between two very close alliances, and I've enjoyed the chaos of early hours defence organizing, and Silence getting angry at people who fail to be reliable on attacks, and I've enjoyed the social aspect of our group this round.
If you want someone to point the finger at for a supposed powerblock, then I'm the person you should point the finger at. I was the politics handler for the alliance. I did all the talking with Res when we first spoke of a resistance. Azzer is welcome to the logs of the conversations I had with them - There was no resistance after two or three waves of attacks that brought Aphall down (it should of taken ALOT more than that if they were competent enough at defending).
We placed Aphall over Res as a threat, and we moved to strike them and finish them first. It's not our problem Res simply didn't seize such an opportunity, and attack us as we waved and rushed Aphall down to size.
You speak as if the whole thing was so easy, and without any sort of hardship or effort put into it - This time 7 days ago we were seriously considering throwing in the towel, and going back to FTF. Our final decision was we would spend roughly 5 or 6 more days playing actively, and if we won rank 1, we would continue to play at that level. If we failed to take out Aphall, then we would go back to our original intention; For the fun.
Take a quick gander at our route setup - Look hardcore pr0 to you? Then look at Aphall's original lineup's route setup; It's a power-setup to dominate the early round.
The simple fact is, Hero and Bruce didn't seize their opportunity in the first few days to take the considerable lead and effortlessly win, and Res didn't seize the opportunity to take advantage of the chaos ensuing between our two alliances. That's their fault. You are just giving another reason for more people to lose faith in a game that was already on it's knees.

[Twigley]

Tbf Twogley, regardless of your complaining, I've been rank 2/3 for a long time now. I've been in the alliances where you have to fight the simply overwhelming odds, get woken up during the night to send masses of fake defences and send out to take land hits - To alliances that rose without a challenge.

What's your point?
I don't see the relevance.


I've been enjoying the battle reports between two very close alliances, and I've enjoyed the chaos of early hours defence organizing, and Silence getting angry at people who fail to be reliable on attacks, and I've enjoyed the social aspect of our group this round.

I'm happy for you, but what's your point.


We placed Aphall over Res as a threat, and we moved to strike them and finish them first. It's not our problem Res simply didn't seize such an opportunity, and attack us as we waved and rushed Aphall down to size.

Ofcourse you did.
You told Res you would continue not to hit them, carrying on your snap.


You are just giving another reason for more people to lose faith in a game that was already on it's knees.

No you are.
You didnt touch an ally for 2 weeks + (Since about day 2), worked with them, talked to them about your plans and told them youd leave them alone.
If that was me and JJ, we'd be locked right now.


Edit: You do realise how bad that looks, and in my opinion fulfills the definition of a powerblock?

[Dax]

You didnt touch an ally for 2 weeks, worked with them, talked to them about your plans and told them youd leave them alone.
If that was me and JJ, we'd be locked right now.

And that's simply ludicrous. You continue to make assumptions without any sort of firm basis at all.
I don't have enough of a drive to be a member of a rank 1 alliance to the point where I would feel the need to stoop to what you and JJ did to this playerbase in round 30. Fact. You can choose to accept that, or not. I think that once someone such as yourself gets some form of conspiracy in your head, then it's aimless attempting to reason with it.
My response can stand to anyone that isn't you though, so they can make their own judgements. I've stood by a way of playing I consider fair - I've not plunged the dagger into anyone, and I made political decisions with Oggie and Caz that I approved of ethically for such a small playerbase.
So to anyone else that is being drawn towards assuming this tosh Twigley is spouting is true, try and see the tactical situation if you were in our place; Fight against two alliances and fail, or focus on one, and then another with a much higher success probability. It is just a genuine flaw of Res' tactics that they didn't attack either dRQ or Aphall whilst we waged our own war between each other.

[Twigley]

You didnt touch an ally for 2 weeks, worked with them, talked to them about your plans and told them youd leave them alone.
If that was me and JJ, we'd be locked right now.

And that's simply ludicrous.

You didnt touch an ally for 2 weeks - Confirmed by ally stats.
worked with them - Confirmed. You sent with them on a few organised hits on them.
talked to them about your plans - Ogluk confirmed.
told them youd leave them alone - Ogluk confirmed.

Where is the ludicrous part?
Unfortunately it's true.
And there is no getting away from it.
You can't deny without lying that you didn't did ALL 4 things.
So why did you?

[CFalcon]

If in another 2 weeks Res and RQ still haven't fought, then you'd have a point Twigley. 2 days of inaction does not constitute a powerblock. And no, you can't carry over resistance collaboration into a powerblock argument.

The idea that two alliances work together in a resistance, and then are instantly labelled a powerblock the moment that resistance knocks rank 1 a few bil score under rank 2 is simply childish.

And if it were you and JJ instead, I'd be making exactly the same argument. Infact, I did. In the TBA round, I defended TBA at first and rubbished PB claims, on the assumption that once it was only those 3 left there would be a war amongst them for rank 1. I only changed my mind when it became clear there would be no split. Don't even think you can accuse me of flip-flopping my arguments. I'm rock solid on this.

[Iamsmart]

I wish I could make a poll in this post to rate how much of a hypocrite Twigley is

:(

[Twigley]

Thank you for the troll, iamsmart.
I didn't expect much more.

[Dax]

I wish I could make a poll in this post to rate how much of a hypocrite Twigley is

:(

This.
I did the politics, not Oggie. No plans were spoken about with me, and no supposed 'no-hit' concept was spoken about with me.
I think you may of gotten some things confused with their supposed meaning.
But like I said, I'm pretty sure there was never a 'no-attack' policy for our alliance on them. They just didn't bother us whilst we had the incomings, and eventually when Aphall got them too. Believe it was coincidence, or not. I can't force anyone to believe anything - But I know for myself that we worked very hard - And got some very good luck too.

[Twigley]

I like how you ignored my post and responded to the troll.
Ogluk told us all in IRC himself that he told Res he would leave them alone.
He said it in #Bushtarion.

How much do you really know DaX?
It seems you are in the dark on this, i'm afraid.
Better go get your story straight and be filled in on talks from your leader that were either behind your back as the "politics organiser" or you already know about. It's lol's either way,

Edit: I don't think there is a need for me to respond anymore times unless you have another point that needs bringing up, i'll happily debate it with you on here. For me, it's time to play some more halo reach.

[Iamsmart]

I mainly ignored your point only because I only read the first line of your post though Twigley, if it makes you feel any better

[Ogluk]

Ogluk told us all in IRC himself that he told Res he would leave them alone.
He said it in #Bushtarion.


i should probably clarify the full details of this
i never specifically said the words, but i insinuated to the effect of that, in a joint channel when we were sorting the attacks on Aphalla, to various MEMBERS of Res, i dont think i've actually said a word this round to Dill, or Tiff or whoever actually is leading them, directly :P

and the majority of our politics has been done through either DaX or Signer, due to me have an outlook of basically just kill everyone and deal with the consequences later :P Signer holds my leash back when i try to do stupid things :P

[Alcibiades]

Doesn't hold the leash tight enough IMO ;). Bribemania anyone? :p

[Ogluk]

i THINK El Caz was out when we hit Bribemania, thus i broke free from the hook on the wall :p

[bluehen55]

Well I guess someone from Res should chime in here at some point. I really wish I could find the logs where Ogluk said something about not hitting us, but it really was an innocuous comment to one of our members about them focusing on Alph before coming for us, which, honestly, did more to rile up members in Res than anything else, as people weren't happy with the thought that Ogluk and co. would be the ones to dictate exactly how the round went for them. Thats the extent of anything we knew about their plans, and honestly, any idiot could figure that out for themselves. Back when the "resistance" that lasted all of 2 or 3 hits ended alpha and RQ were nearly equal with Res a good bit behind. If you***8217;ll all remember, at the time everyone was *****ing about how 2 v 1 wasn***8217;t a fair fight and they were close enough to fight one on one. So Res backed out and they fought 1 v 1 while we quietly built up to be near equal to the other two. I***8217;m not sure why anyone would have expected RQ to try to fight both of us at once, that would have been suicide. And when the fighting started Res was too small to compete with the other two. Maybe a chance has been missed when we grew to a certain size and Alpha was still a bigger threat to RQ, but that***8217;s on us and our laziness, sorry if we offended anyone by not putting in the effort and picking a side, or attacking both sides of the war, or whatever everyone wanted. Regardless, the rounds still not over no matter what Twiggles says, so stay tuned folks.

[Alcibiades]

I love you bluehen. I really do. Thanks for helping clear the air.

[Ahead]

This thread is strange.. I don't understand it from what I've read. Twigley, if you were in a resistance with another alliance against one that is pulling away and taking a lead would you say to the other alliance in the resistance: "OH BTW WE'RE GONNA WTFRAPE YOU AS SOON AS THE RANK 1 ALLY IS 1B SMALLER THAN US LOLOL GL NOOBS". No of course you wouldn't. You work with said alliance until the resistance is over and the former rank 1 alliance is about 50% of your alliance. Whether you say it or not you know that neither of those alliances will hit each other while rank 1 ally is still there unless they're backstabbed.

You've been in resistances before, you know how it works. Your propaganda never fails to amaze me :P

[Iamsmart]

tbh, bluehen for coolest kid in bush.

<3

Edit: Twigley is gay

[Stegosaurus]

I'm unsure if twigley is intentionally stirring up ****, grossly misinformed, stupider than I gave him credit for, or if he's just come down with a case of the zaheens.

[Alcibiades]

I'm unsure if twigley is intentionally stirring up ****, grossly misinformed, stupider than I gave him credit for, or if he's just come down with a case of the zaheens.

Hahahahahahahaha. Omg win.

[Iamsmart]

Lolololol

[NoobCake]

I normally stay out of forums completely but after being nudged into reading all this crap i feel obligated to post.

This is Hero, I was helping Bruce lead Aphallatosis (though he was never online so was actually leading) and have since been given actual leadership.

The reason Aphallatosis did not finish off either dRage or Res for the early win is because that was EXECATLY what I wanted to avoid this round... Like i did last round when trying to get history to realize being the only ftw alliance makes it kind of pointless and wanting them to split into 2 equal alliances to fight and have fun. I love this game, but the past 10 rounds are always the same... I meant to try and change that this round as i had a leading role in a ftw alliance, therefore:

Having friends in Res, Bribe, AND OMG we were informed that dRage was completely napped with Res where no attacks would be sent vs each other, that rage had asked OMG for help vs us as well, AND that they had spoken to bribe about "resisting" too.

OMG and Bribe basically laughed at them, because well resisting an alliance that was AT THAT TIME maybe 5-6bil score ahead and maybe 5k acres is laughable. Res wasn't convinced at helping Rage right away, but jumped all over the "we dont attack you and you dont attack us" deal.

My actions led me to start hitting Res and beating them down a bit ( hits lasted maybe 24 hours before i called them off) and from there we waited for rage to plant so that we could have ourselves a 1 v 1 with most of res out of the way. Once the y had caught up (by massing OMG for not agreeing to help them) and were ahead on land and barely behind in score, we struck... and we struck hard... in the first 24 hours of attacks we had put a big dent in there units and had taken land nearly every attack...

After that first day of fighting, and us clearly being the victors we did slow down and expected rage to bounce right back continuing to fight... We did only have a barely an 8-10bil lead at this time so I thought, with that group they arent done unless we finish them off. Which would basically end the round (EXACTLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT TO HAPPEN)

Apparently during that whole debacle Rage had attempted a bash on bribe (again the other alliance refusing to be their *****es and team up instead of making them fight a fair 1 v 1 battle) So as bruce made a once a week appearance he was greeted by bribe that wanted to hit rage as well. BRUCE FILLED THEM IN WITHOUT ME KNOWING. So after we had our plans in line and bribe was already told we were sending by bruce I told them and bruce that we were sending at these ids and they could do whatever the wanted outside those with no coordination with our plans...

Bribe sent once either just before or just after us and that was the end of it as i dont think they faired well...

Back to right after we had started to beat down rage and slowed down...

Rage and Res both coordinate masses on us together even though rage was not beaten down any further not were we very far ahead at all. (this was prolly the most pathetic part seeing as how the rage group had ALWAYS planned on having help and not actually fighting anything to earn a win... they like it when they are the only real FTW alliance as you can tell from previous rounds) and even after the 2 days of them working together we were still rank 1 by a very little bit... and i think Res realized they were stupid to do that and stopped. (the two days was indeed 2 mass attacks, but with a lot of randoms and rushes by both in between... so im not stating you guys endlessly waved us together for 2 days straight)

We then proceeded to go 1 v 1 the following night on them and met another deal of great success putting another 8bil score between us. Then followed the server D/C during an attack by rage on us (they sent alone from what i could tell) and the server started acting up on the af3 stage... This screwed quite a few people over as it completely skipped the af2 tick! Having 4 poms with gurus waiting to cover all the fakes that end up not getting to send will cause some serious land loss... little over 4k that one attack because of it was the math i came up with.

Over the course of the day, I had 4 members watch themselves die because they couldnt log in while others could... literally being on IRC having the values posted for them after being contactable and spending all the late nights EARNING the rank 1 spot...

Obviously some people were upset, a couple basically quit and other just stopped caring and went inactive... This was the advantage rage needed to get on top of us and bravo to them for taking it... Though i think even they will admit that 1 v 1 against us each time up to the point was a clear win for us... but i cannot fault them for being opportunistic.

Over the past couple of days **** happened, people quit, morale went down as people thought... " why spend all this time and energy winning the round to have it taken away by such a lame thing as the game not working for us while it is for others." I cannot fault them for thinking that, they earned their land/scores/ranks and overall alliance ranks and had it taken NOT by a superior alliance, but an inferior system and set of fine print.

Case and point. Res and Rage WERE working together from about day 3 when rage realized they couldnt keep up with Aphallatosis. Bribe and OMG refused to help the rubbish crap rage tried to front as a resistance to an alliance 4% bigger than them because they couldnt beat them theirselves... and therefore got bashed and wave by rage. Aphallatosis refused to play like every other ftw alliance and go for the easiest win. (which has obviously bit us in the ass, and ill take responsibility for it completely) I also refused to work with or team up with any other alliance to kill or attack another... I wanted an extended round. I wanted wars between alliances of similar size to be fought 1 v 1 so the best one would win... Clearly when the other alliances know they arent the better in the war they default to getting help before actually fighting it out. To each their own and I sure hope the round continues... (hinting at Res and S2S to actually do something some time soon)


P.S.

Atsan was and never has been a spy. The post by Hobbe was completely tasteless even if he was being sarcastic. They way this game goes you know how people will take that so you had no right to use say those things about him and do that without consulting him first. Very bad show on your part.

Very long, but I missed the first wtfdozen pages of posting and had to catch up, so all you lazy ***** can take the time to read my part.

With lots of love, stemming from the deepest hate I have for all of you,

Hero

[Hobbezak]

P.S.

Atsan was and never has been a spy. The post by Hobbe was completely tasteless even if he was being sarcastic. They way this game goes you know how people will take that so you had no right to use say those things about him and do that without consulting him first. Very bad show on your part.

I'm deeply sorry about calling atsan a spy. And I would also like to express my deepest regret concerning the matter of telling people I have had a few beers with ed. This is NOT true. I have NEVER had beers with ed. I'm sorry I discredited ed in this way, and I hope he can find it in his heart to forgive me. After a few beers perhaps. Which we never had.

Btw, this is sarcasm. I hope you noticed.

[Stegosaurus]

double post lol

[Stegosaurus]

I have only read 2 paragraphs of your post hero, but I can safely say you are an idiot.

Edit: I have read it all now.

Hero:
http://www.stealthbadger.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bawwww.jpg

[IceOfFire]

I normally stay out of forums completely but after being nudged into reading all this crap i feel obligated to post.

This is Hero, I was helping Bruce lead Aphallatosis (though he was never online so was actually leading) and have since been given actual leadership.

The reason Aphallatosis did not finish off either dRage or Res for the early win is because that was EXECATLY what I wanted to avoid this round... Like i did last round when trying to get history to realize being the only ftw alliance makes it kind of pointless and wanting them to split into 2 equal alliances to fight and have fun. I love this game, but the past 10 rounds are always the same... I meant to try and change that this round as i had a leading role in a ftw alliance, therefore:

Having friends in Res, Bribe, AND OMG we were informed that dRage was completely napped with Res where no attacks would be sent vs each other, that rage had asked OMG for help vs us as well, AND that they had spoken to bribe about "resisting" too.

OMG and Bribe basically laughed at them, because well resisting an alliance that was AT THAT TIME maybe 5-6bil score ahead and maybe 5k acres is laughable. Res wasn't convinced at helping Rage right away, but jumped all over the "we dont attack you and you dont attack us" deal.

My actions led me to start hitting Res and beating them down a bit ( hits lasted maybe 24 hours before i called them off) and from there we waited for rage to plant so that we could have ourselves a 1 v 1 with most of res out of the way. Once the y had caught up (by massing OMG for not agreeing to help them) and were ahead on land and barely behind in score, we struck... and we struck hard... in the first 24 hours of attacks we had put a big dent in there units and had taken land nearly every attack...

After that first day of fighting, and us clearly being the victors we did slow down and expected rage to bounce right back continuing to fight... We did only have a barely an 8-10bil lead at this time so I thought, with that group they arent done unless we finish them off. Which would basically end the round (EXACTLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT TO HAPPEN)

Apparently during that whole debacle Rage had attempted a bash on bribe (again the other alliance refusing to be their *****es and team up instead of making them fight a fair 1 v 1 battle) So as bruce made a once a week appearance he was greeted by bribe that wanted to hit rage as well. BRUCE FILLED THEM IN WITHOUT ME KNOWING. So after we had our plans in line and bribe was already told we were sending by bruce I told them and bruce that we were sending at these ids and they could do whatever the wanted outside those with no coordination with our plans...

Bribe sent once either just before or just after us and that was the end of it as i dont think they faired well...

Back to right after we had started to beat down rage and slowed down...

Rage and Res both coordinate masses on us together even though rage was not beaten down any further not were we very far ahead at all. (this was prolly the most pathetic part seeing as how the rage group had ALWAYS planned on having help and not actually fighting anything to earn a win... they like it when they are the only real FTW alliance as you can tell from previous rounds) and even after the 2 days of them working together we were still rank 1 by a very little bit... and i think Res realized they were stupid to do that and stopped. (the two days was indeed 2 mass attacks, but with a lot of randoms and rushes by both in between... so im not stating you guys endlessly waved us together for 2 days straight)

We then proceeded to go 1 v 1 the following night on them and met another deal of great success putting another 8bil score between us. Then followed the server D/C during an attack by rage on us (they sent alone from what i could tell) and the server started acting up on the af3 stage... This screwed quite a few people over as it completely skipped the af2 tick! Having 4 poms with gurus waiting to cover all the fakes that end up not getting to send will cause some serious land loss... little over 4k that one attack because of it was the math i came up with.

Over the course of the day, I had 4 members watch themselves die because they couldnt log in while others could... literally being on IRC having the values posted for them after being contactable and spending all the late nights EARNING the rank 1 spot...

Obviously some people were upset, a couple basically quit and other just stopped caring and went inactive... This was the advantage rage needed to get on top of us and bravo to them for taking it... Though i think even they will admit that 1 v 1 against us each time up to the point was a clear win for us... but i cannot fault them for being opportunistic.

Over the past couple of days **** happened, people quit, morale went down as people thought... " why spend all this time and energy winning the round to have it taken away by such a lame thing as the game not working for us while it is for others." I cannot fault them for thinking that, they earned their land/scores/ranks and overall alliance ranks and had it taken NOT by a superior alliance, but an inferior system and set of fine print.

Case and point. Res and Rage WERE working together from about day 3 when rage realized they couldnt keep up with Aphallatosis. Bribe and OMG refused to help the rubbish crap rage tried to front as a resistance to an alliance 4% bigger than them because they couldnt beat them theirselves... and therefore got bashed and wave by rage. Aphallatosis refused to play like every other ftw alliance and go for the easiest win. (which has obviously bit us in the ass, and ill take responsibility for it completely) I also refused to work with or team up with any other alliance to kill or attack another... I wanted an extended round. I wanted wars between alliances of similar size to be fought 1 v 1 so the best one would win... Clearly when the other alliances know they arent the better in the war they default to getting help before actually fighting it out. To each their own and I sure hope the round continues... (hinting at Res and S2S to actually do something some time soon)


P.S.

Atsan was and never has been a spy. The post by Hobbe was completely tasteless even if he was being sarcastic. They way this game goes you know how people will take that so you had no right to use say those things about him and do that without consulting him first. Very bad show on your part.

Very long, but I missed the first wtfdozen pages of posting and had to catch up, so all you lazy ***** can take the time to read my part.

With lots of love, stemming from the deepest hate I have for all of you,

Hero

I got bored after most of your stuff was inaccurate and wrong. But the most of the top you are moaning about us not having a 1 on 1.

The day we did our first of the two attacks with Res. This was the score:

Alliances In Game - Score Ranks:
Score H/F Rating
Rank: Status: Name: H/F Title: Mail: Members: Acres: Score
1 [p] Aphallatosis Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 170,000 62,528,000,000
2 [p] dRAGE QUIT Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 142,287 44,771,064,108
3 [p] Res of Meus Votum Res of Meus Votum Ignoble [Mail] 20 / 20 100,000 35,682,000,000
4 [p] Bribemania Bribemania Notable [Mail] 20 / 20 74,000 24,848,000,000
5 [p] Second To Some Second To Some Rude [Mail] 20 / 20 80,000 16,622,000,000

Not being funny, but 1 on 1 with 20bill score difference and 30k land difference...sure!

Don't lie saying there was no difference in score and land! Naab.

[NoobCake]

Pointless insult that is way off topic. Nice one! Now try and let those that have a real opinion that pertains to the thread and that don't want to flame others for no reason post. We shouldn't have to weed through your garbage posts to see ones that are worth reading/responding to.

EDIT: Referring to stego and not IoF.

[NoobCake]

IOF That may have been the score AFTER we beat you in the first day or two of battles, but you had teamed up and made your truce with Res LONG before the scores were even starting to gap.

As soon as you realized you couldnt hang in a 1 v 1 you called on Res who were ALREADY friends and working with you (not hitting each other while the other kills/fights different alliances IS working together... im not claiming that you attacked together and so on)

Shame you dont have the scores and land from before we starting beating you guys in our fight... the ones even before you had planted up :P

[Stegosaurus]

Why is everyone so mad?

[timthetyrant]

Why is everyone so mad?

hooray for a successful resistance \o/

[Twigley]

Stegosaurus, why bother posting? That's two post's where you just personally insult someones character rather than arguing the point then your members go "LOLOLOLOL". It isn't cool guys. This is a politics forum. Just debate politics and don't steep to that level of we will have 10 pages of NO YOU SUCK rather than 10 pages of one side thinking the other is dissolutioned.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Res and Rage had been hitting each other at all this round oast the first day (Ahead). It's the fact they have done what has already been confirmed PLUS from about day 2/3.

[Iamsmart]

I have to say IoF's post is very informative to why the resistance happened

Aphalla (i think thats right) took the lead WAAAAAAAY early. At times they were bigger than rank 1/2 combined. It was OBVIOUS they were WAY more active, and therefore WAY more contactable than any other FTW alliance. At the point the resistance hooked up they were ~150% your size, sure, but that's really not fair. Any individual alliance you were over 50-80% their size. That is KEY. It also means you're WAY more developed. Our resistance last round was like twice the size of rank 1 and we failed miserably (cos nobodoy would organize and that was like the 5 day period I failed to come through for my alliance due to personal ****, enough about that). And yes, that resistance INVOLVED bribermania, so don't use them as a point that res/drage were wrong, they were going to be in the resistance until they were hit im 100% sure.

Yes, they caught up to you roughly, but as a better alliance fighting you 1v1, as you admitted yourself, you were the better 1v1 alliance, would have been stupid and potentially suicidal. Sounds silly to me. The fact of the matter is, you were rank 1, they weren't. A resistance was possible, they did it. It's not against the rules (as stupid as it is, i wish the game didn't work this way that alliances could just team up on others, but it has to due to the game mechanics making it so easy for 1 alliance to get 9287593485 miles ahead). It wasn't a powerblock (Twigley is a faggot). It's a resistance. Get. Over. It. If you don't like it, blame Azzer for making his game this way, it's not their fault the rules allow politics to become such a HUGE factor in Bushtarion.

P.S. the game going down like that I truly do apologize for, it's soooo stupid/annoying when that happens and Azzer always fails to act correctly. I'm sorry if it did affect you that much!

[Stegosaurus]

Stegosaurus, why bother posting? That's two post's where you just personally insult someones character rather than arguing the point then your members go "LOLOLOLOL". It isn't cool guys. This is a politics forum. Just debate politics and don't steep to that level of we will have 10 pages of NO YOU SUCK rather than 10 pages of one side thinking the other is dissolutioned.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Res and Rage had been hitting each other at all this round oast the first day (Ahead). It's the fact they have done what has already been confirmed PLUS from about day 2/3.

I'm making no more of a mockery of politics than you are twigley. If you intend to keep posting rubbish, then I am going to follow up with garbage.

[Twigley]

Stegosaurus, why bother posting? That's two post's where you just personally insult someones character rather than arguing the point then your members go "LOLOLOLOL". It isn't cool guys. This is a politics forum. Just debate politics and don't steep to that level of we will have 10 pages of NO YOU SUCK rather than 10 pages of one side thinking the other is dissolutioned.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Res and Rage had been hitting each other at all this round oast the first day (Ahead). It's the fact they have done what has already been confirmed PLUS from about day 2/3.

I'm making no more of a mockery of politics than you are twigley. If you intend to keep posting rubbish, then I am going to follow up with garbage.

Everything (probally) that i've posted in this thread is true.
Re-Read it.
We just cannot decide/agree if what rage and res have done is what consitutes a powerblock.
But everyone agrees on what people are "accusing" you of.
Nobody denies that you worked together, never hit each other since day 2 aprox, and had talks of plans which involved not hitting each other.

And because we cannot decide/agree if it is detremental to the game having 2 allies who dont hit each other since day 2 aprox, it would of been nice to of had an official voice from Weeble or Azzer.

[Alcibiades]

Again you miss the crucial point. A resistance does not constitute a powerblock. It simply can't. There really isn't anything more to discuss.

[Twigley]

'Resistances' don't usually not hit each other since day 2.

[Alcibiades]

They should if their only competition is blazing ahead and looking like they're going to run away with the win. Why would we waste time hitting each other when we can grow unmolested by each other to then bash out rank 1? Seems like a smart decision to me. We were focused on taking out our most dangerous competition at the time which was Aphalla

Also, I believe that one of the key features of a powerblock is that it stagnates gameplay and this has been the most active and interesting round in ages. I think that's enough proof in and of itself.

Edit. Not to mention, most of the dRQ members were in either chance or War huh. So the likelihood of them planning, or even condoning a powerblock is just laughable.

[Hobbezak]

Twigley, how about you bring some clarity as to what you are accusing us of.
You're saying "zomg you never hit eachother", afaik there is no rule against that.
Are you saying we safelisted eachother? Swapped id's? Because you are saying we never hit eachother way before spies came out, so if we intentionally never hit eachother at that time, surely that must mean we would have had to swap idlists and added eachother to some kind of safelist.

So. Is this what you are saying? A simple "yes I think you safelisted eachother" or "no I don't think you safelisted eachother" will suffice.
If the answer is yes, please let me refer you to my earlier "zomg atsan = spy"-post. Your reaction will then be degraded to the level of a cock and bull story, simply because it's a) not true, and b) even if it were, you wouldn't know because you aren't in either of the alliances. (for the record, a) is the correct answer).
If the answer is no, then you cannot possibly argue that we are a powerblock.

edit: And I'm talking specifically about the time UNTIL we got spies.

[CFalcon]

Also, I believe that one of the key features of a powerblock is that it stagnates gameplay and this has been the most active and interesting round in ages. I think that's enough proof in and of itself.

This is the best point made in this thread.

[Davs]

Anyone else thinking that this thread is turning into the Special Olympics?

Stop arguing with each other and play.

[Alcibiades]

Anyone else thinking that this thread is turning into the Special Olympics?

Stop arguing with each other and play.

Well, there's nothing else to do, since we're powerblocking with all the alliances except Aphalla. So frankly arguing on forums is the most fun I can have at the moment.

[Davs]

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[Alcibiades]

So, lock?

[tobapopalos]

So zaheen finally lost his **** entirely and got locked. Can't say I'm surprised.

And for the record, I really doubt Ogluk and Alci are powerblocking. Seems to me that they used intelligent politics through the resistance to make their job easier, which only a goddamn fool would accuse of being powerblocking. Enter Twigley.

[Twigley]

There is not much point me continuing to debate with half an alliance and friends of people in that alliance.

My points are made , i don't need to make them again. Agree or disagree with them, state your points but try leave it at that level.

[IceOfFire]

I have to say IoF's post is very informative to why the resistance happened

Aphalla (i think thats right) took the lead WAAAAAAAY early. At times they were bigger than rank 1/2 combined. It was OBVIOUS they were WAY more active, and therefore WAY more contactable than any other FTW alliance. At the point the resistance hooked up they were ~150% your size, sure, but that's really not fair. Any individual alliance you were over 50-80% their size. That is KEY. It also means you're WAY more developed. Our resistance last round was like twice the size of rank 1 and we failed miserably (cos nobodoy would organize and that was like the 5 day period I failed to come through for my alliance due to personal ****, enough about that). And yes, that resistance INVOLVED bribermania, so don't use them as a point that res/drage were wrong, they were going to be in the resistance until they were hit im 100% sure.

Yes, they caught up to you roughly, but as a better alliance fighting you 1v1, as you admitted yourself, you were the better 1v1 alliance, would have been stupid and potentially suicidal. Sounds silly to me. The fact of the matter is, you were rank 1, they weren't. A resistance was possible, they did it. It's not against the rules (as stupid as it is, i wish the game didn't work this way that alliances could just team up on others, but it has to due to the game mechanics making it so easy for 1 alliance to get 9287593485 miles ahead). It wasn't a powerblock (Twigley is a faggot). It's a resistance. Get. Over. It. If you don't like it, blame Azzer for making his game this way, it's not their fault the rules allow politics to become such a HUGE factor in Bushtarion.

P.S. the game going down like that I truly do apologize for, it's soooo stupid/annoying when that happens and Azzer always fails to act correctly. I'm sorry if it did affect you that much!

QFT

Hero i guarantee you on my LIFE that was taken the tick resistance was eta 1 on first wave.

Don't believe me? I don't care. Why else would i copy it and store in it journal?

When you are proven wrong, accept it. This is why Res and dRage teamed up. So stop flamming and talking bullshit everyone. We teamed up for 2 attacks. Yea we may not have attacked each other, but why would we? We had a rank 1 to resist! No point hitting each other and doing a 1 on 2 against us!!

Battles between Res and dRage have already taken place. So everyone shut up about this power block rubbish! Usually i have a lot of time and respect for Twigley. But everyone is buying into what he is saying! I honestly do not care where my alliance ends this round. I just want fun!

So everyone PLEASE stop BSing and just play!!

[edd]

Just to clear something up for you hero, BM actually were trying to be part of the resistance when u guys had a fair lead, mainly just so we could be involved in the round :D It did not give us protection from the other alliances and nothing had changed between when Drage and res first started thinking about the resistance (when OMG were still bigger than BM) and when Drage hit us (i don't think we did nything, Drage just realised that if they had the land it would be put to better use in the resistance).

Ogluk, i do not believe in this leash of urs :p signer was online attacking me among others during the wave on BM.

Hobbezak i don't think we can be friends anymore, u discredited me and beer.

[Iamsmart]

ed dont lie ur 18 now u can drink beer legally

[Dax]

Liez ed.

[[yoyo]]

whew! read it all.

I must say, I will never watch a soap opera again. Don't need to with this thread still going. ;)

[Twigley]

lol

That is all.


Haha, no, i'm just kidding Alci :P <3

[LuckySports]

OMG and Bribe basically laughed at them, because well resisting an alliance that was AT THAT TIME maybe 5-6bil score ahead and maybe 5k acres is laughable. Res wasn't convinced at helping Rage right away, but jumped all over the "we dont attack you and you dont attack us" deal.


I'm in Res so I think I'll chime in much like Blue did recently.. ^_^

Sorry mate, I think your seriously misinformed here, The second a "Nap" was suggested in politics 1/2 the members said no without even discussion. The only reason we hadn't hit them sooner was we were growing and enjoying all our nice targets in the lower alliances. We knew Alpha and dRAGE were busy fighting, so we sat back and enjoyed the peace (Although we constantly expected one of them to start attacking us assuming we were inactive/UC)

The only time there was an agreement to not attack was when the attacks on alpha happened, as soon as the attacks on our part stopped, any agreements were over and it was an FFA.

We aren't stupid, we weren't going to jump into a fight against 2 people much bigger than us when most of our members had plans for the beginning of the round and couldn't be active right away :P

Hell, I played entirely from my phone for the first week because I was on vacation in a different country w/o my laptop.. We aren't going to start attacking DQ just because people think theres a powerblock. We are just enjoying the fun, we'll attack whoever we want whenever we want, whenever we get bored enough.

Twiggly is just throwing around propaganda to get everyone riled up about something that isn't happening, and Zaheen, as usual, is just throwing out insults. Not our fault twiggly is such a tasty target :P




Also - We put our funds mostly into developments early on, instead of troops, so we really didn't contribute as much to the resistance as we probably could have ^_^

And now that dRAGE has taken the upper hand, things have swapped around. There is no agreement not to attack each other in any of the top alliances as far as I know (and since I have access to both ALLY mail and full-access to politics I can speak for my alliance to an extent) so quit your whining. ^_^

I do love a good drama though, and this has been the most fun I've had on this game in a long time. We have an awesome group of people with a nice spread of routes, activity, time-zones, and everyone wants to have fun.. :D

[Twigley]

Not our fault twiggly is such a tasty target :P


We havn't been land fat for a very long time btw ;)

[LuckySports]

Not our fault twiggly is such a tasty target :P


We havn't been land fat for a very long time btw ;)

We haven't been attacking you for very long either :P Stupid blockers though :( You always make us work for our land

[Davis]

Looks like things are just starting to get interesting again, maybe this will be another round like the round LeftOvers won :P constant fight for rank 1 Until last tick.

[Alcibiades]

lol

That is all.


Haha, no, i'm just kidding Alci :P <3

You love me, you really do!!!!! Awww, thanks Twigley, you made my day!

[LuckySports]

Looks like things are just starting to get interesting again, maybe this will be another round like the round LeftOvers won :P constant fight for rank 1 Until last tick.

its very possible.. ^_^ but with the main competition in sleep for god knows how long, might not be much of a fight :P

Oh well, we'll continue to grow ^_^ our inactive/noobish group.. :P

If only we had a public pols we could post mIRC quotes on.. :P

[Davis]

Post irc quotes here. as long as its on topic it doesn't matter, but if its really long copy and paste it onto pastebin and then post the link here :)

[LuckySports]

edited to remove names, not sure if they would like me posting that :P

14:11 Female1 leaders needing their members
14:11 Female1 and now we are all involved
14:11 AFemale2 im going to go back to sleep
14:11 Female1 good thing
14:11 AFemale2 yeah but its like having 20 leaders
14:11 AFemale2 is like having way to many cooks in the kitchen
14:12 Female1 i thought u said COCKS
14:12 Female1 lmaooo
14:12 Female1 my bloody dirty mind
14:12 AFemale2 even 20 cocks is to many in one place
14:12 RandomGuy1 ROFL
14:12 Female1 no way
14:12 Female1 absolute not
14:12 AFemale2 infact 20 cocks in one place is way to much
14:12 Female1 no Fem2........its delicious
14:12 AFemale2 especially if they come with a mouth
14:12 Female1 to have 20 cocks around ya
14:12 AFemale2 and they talk
14:13 Female1 ohhhh cocks dont talk
14:13 Female1 they need to do their thing and thats it
14:13 AFemale2 but the bodys they are attached to do
14:13 Female1 u really need to look at other way to cocks angel
14:13 Female1 more pleasure
14:13 Female1 dont dare to refresh bush
14:13 AFemale2 nope i might be a failure to all women but the thought of 20 cocks at once is a nightmare
14:14 AFemale2 they recalled Female1
14:14 Female1 thanx hon
14:14 Female1 ;-)
14:14 Female1 u prefer 20 pussies?
14:14 AFemale2 no im old fashioned
14:14 AFemale2 omg the thought of being surrounded with 20 females is way worse
14:14 Female1 LOLOL
14:15 Female1 20 pussies is more worse then 20 cocks
14:15 Female1 ghees what a topic
14:15 Female1 lmaooo
14:15 AFemale2 all this because i said cooks!
14:15 Female1 yes and i mis read as usually
14:15 AnotheRandomGuy 20 pussies
14:15 AnotheRandomGuy zomg
14:15 RandomGuy1 gotta say
14:15 AnotheRandomGuy drules
14:15 RandomGuy1 i love this ally
14:15 RandomGuy1 :P
14:15 AFemale2 at least we keep RandomGuy1 and AnotheRandomGuy entertained
14:16 Female1 hahah right....i was thinking that too Fem2
14:16 Female1 we rock
14:16 AFemale2 AnotheRandomGuy 20 pussies ... you wouldnt come out alive after 5 min
14:16 AFemale2 and that would be just one of us
14:17 Female1 Fem2......20 pussies will worn them out till dead
14:17 AFemale2 Fem1 either of us would do that
14:17 AFemale2 they dont need the other 19
14:18 Female1 btw.....mines is not losing hair anymore angel
14:18 Female1 summer is done i think
14:19 AFemale2 mine is getting vicious if she doesnt get her own way
14:19 AFemale2 infact she is so female
14:20 Female1 mines too

[Dax]

Looks like things are just starting to get interesting again, maybe this will be another round like the round LeftOvers won :P constant fight for rank 1 Until last tick.

its very possible.. ^_^ but with the main competition in sleep for god knows how long, might not be much of a fight :P

Oh well, we'll continue to grow ^_^ our inactive/noobish group.. :P

I was so much hoping for alot more angry reaction to that. :P
Have fun guys, I'm gonna go and enjoy my life for a while instead!

[LuckySports]

Looks like things are just starting to get interesting again, maybe this will be another round like the round LeftOvers won :P constant fight for rank 1 Until last tick.

its very possible.. ^_^ but with the main competition in sleep for god knows how long, might not be much of a fight :P

Oh well, we'll continue to grow ^_^ our inactive/noobish group.. :P

I was so much hoping for alot more angry reaction to that. :P
Have fun guys, I'm gonna go and enjoy my life for a while instead!

Why would we be angry? The main reason we ever starting attacking was to hit YOU before YOU hit us :P With you in sleep, we are safe for now.. ^_^

Although.. we are suppose to be FTF ourselves.. I've really no idea why we took rank 1 :/

Oh well.. ^_^ Maybe someone will come along and knock us back down.. Or we'll just keep suicidal and not get too far ahead :P I really don't want a boring round..

[Davis]

btw massing an ally 3 ranks bellow you (not complaining about it its part of the game we've done it to allies bellow us) is far from inactive. just sayin.

[LuckySports]

its only a small mass.. like maybe 7-8 people..

our "organized attacks" are usually.. "Hey, I want to attack someone.. I'm gonna send here" and everyone else either attacks the same guy or finds someone in the same ally.. :P Its a lot of fun.. ^_^

[Davis]

i forgot to mention that durring you "small mass" we also got incommings from Apha ... kinda sad two higher ranked allies attacking a lower ranked FTF ally :P oh well play your game how you like i guess.

[LuckySports]

We didn't ask them to send, nor tell them that we were sending.. They just piggied off our attacks and took a lot of the fun out of confusing defense :( Its not fun when you force an alliance to choose which alliance to defend against..

[Alcibiades]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Davis]

And i believe that you guys didn't tell them too it just goes to show that after Apha was given a fair fight, even when higher ranked, they are such scum that they cant give a FTF ally 20b score lower than them a fair fight. I used to think you guys deserved rank 1 and thought you had skill but this just shows you have very little.

[timthetyrant]

so without dRQ there to spice it up, res and aphalla are powerblocking to take out twigley? :o

[Twigley]

Current Situation:

Rank 1 (113b) and 3 (90b) not attacking each other.
Rank 1 and 3 both hitting the rank 4 (70b) alliance.
Rank 2 in sleepmode.

[Alcibiades]

Current Situation:

Rank 1 (113b) and 3 (90b) not attacking each other.
Rank 1 and 3 both hitting the rank 4 (70b) alliance.
Rank 2 in sleepmode.

Oh how the tables have turned, ladies and gentlemen! GO TWIGLEY GO! (never thought i'd say those words, but there's a first time for everything!)

[LuckySports]

Lol, We aren't interesting in taking out twigley.. ^_^ more fun to send occasional attacks and watch the abuse flow freely :P

As Far as alpha, I don't know what we're doing yet.. ^_^ We'll see, I don't particularly trust the "2 week sleep" comment, and I don't want to start fighting 2 top alliances at the same time :P

[IceOfFire]

They are just napping (Apha and Res) waiting for dRage to come outta sleep!

[LuckySports]

No, I'd say we're waiting to make sure you don't pop out in the middle of our war :P You could easily put in for 72 hrs (get everyone active after a nice weekend) and tell everyone its 1-2weeks so we kill each other for 48 hrs before yall come out of sleep and then kill us..

Its really just prudent thinking.. ^_^ Always assume your competition has something on you, and your never surprised ;)

[IceOfFire]

Well let's see what happens when we come out of sleep...

Sure it'll be a 2 vs 1.

One of you just grow some balls and smash the other!! (That's what i would HONESTLY want if it was me - Much like i was against mass sleep before you say something)

[Dax]

so without dRQ there to spice it up, res and aphalla are powerblocking to take out twigley? :o

POWABLOCK, AHOY!

It's that, or they can't hit one another. What a sad revelation from us all hitting SM.

[Ryu]

Are you sleeping, are you sleeping?
Brother John, Brother John?
Morning bells are ringing, morning bells are ringing
Ding ding dong, ding ding dong.

Sleep tight cutie pies.


Myyyyy how the tables have turned, doesn't feel good does it. There is no mutual agreement of ANY kind between Apha and Res. The simple fact remains that, dRAGE are in sleep mode and stand to come out with at LEAST 600b-1tril funds making them able to buy fresh LET's. Res and Apha could lose completely by fighting each other at this point.

Twigley, the only reason I could see Res and Apha hitting you (Not together might I add) is that I heard you wanted to take no part in any kind of resistance? I could be wrong. Either way, don't think anyone trusted you guys taking a back seat to everything that was going on.

[Twigley]

"Resistance", rofl.
Second to Some will not be involved in ruining equal fights or fighting in unfair ones.

[Ryu]

Like I said, don't know the full story or the real reasons why. I just do me!

[Ahead]

Not that I'm involved in any way but:

The simple fact remains that, dRAGE are in sleep mode and stand to come out with at LEAST 600b-1tril funds making them able to buy fresh LET's.

1) You do know that seed production is reduced to 15% during sleep mode?


Twigley, the only reason I could see Res and Apha hitting you (Not together might I add) is that I heard you wanted to take no part in any kind of resistance? I could be wrong. Either way, don't think anyone trusted you guys taking a back seat to everything that was going on.


2) Why would Res (current rank 1 as of this post) hit Twigley's alliance for not joining the resistance (here I am presuming that the resistance is on rank 1 - that's normally what happens during resistances anyway..)? Secondly, why would Apha possibly take out one of the only two alliances willing to help them in a resistance, instead of asking further and trying to persuade them? Even if the answer is still no, surely a retal on rank 1 while they are all out would be a great place to start for a resistance?

[Ogluk]

"Resistance", rofl.
Second to Some will not be involved in ruining equal fights or fighting in unfair ones.

that is the best sort of attitude to have :D

shame some people *cough* hero *cough* dont see things that way :<

[Ryu]

Not that I'm involved in any way but:

The simple fact remains that, dRAGE are in sleep mode and stand to come out with at LEAST 600b-1tril funds making them able to buy fresh LET's.

1) You do know that seed production is reduced to 15% during sleep mode?


Twigley, the only reason I could see Res and Apha hitting you (Not together might I add) is that I heard you wanted to take no part in any kind of resistance? I could be wrong. Either way, don't think anyone trusted you guys taking a back seat to everything that was going on.


2) Why would Res (current rank 1 as of this post) hit Twigley's alliance for not joining the resistance (here I am presuming that the resistance is on rank 1 - that's normally what happens during resistances anyway..)? Secondly, why would Apha possibly take out one of the only two alliances willing to help them in a resistance, instead of asking further and trying to persuade them? Even if the answer is still no, surely a retal on rank 1 while they are all out would be a great place to start for a resistance?

1.) Of course I do. Say, for example. You have 10k acres, depending on the make up you make £19,458,260,112 an hour.

• 466,998,242,688 a day
• 6,537,975,397,632 for 2 weeks
• 980,696,309,644 at 15% (Isn't it like 10 or 13?)

2.) I was talking before dRAGE lost rank one. Also, I honestly don't see Twig's ally getting involved with taking down Res if they take the lead too.

[Ryu]

"Resistance", rofl.
Second to Some will not be involved in ruining equal fights or fighting in unfair ones.

that is the best sort of attitude to have :D

shame some people *cough* hero *cough* dont see things that way :<

Shame you guys didn't have this attitude either huh? Let's not forget Res and dRAGE hit Apha when there was like.. a 5b difference in scores?

[Ogluk]

The day we did our first of the two attacks with Res. This was the score:

Alliances In Game - Score Ranks:
Score H/F Rating
Rank: Status: Name: H/F Title: Mail: Members: Acres: Score
1 [p] Aphallatosis Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 170,000 62,528,000,000
2 [p] dRAGE QUIT Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 142,287 44,771,064,108
3 [p] Res of Meus Votum Res of Meus Votum Ignoble [Mail] 20 / 20 100,000 35,682,000,000
4 [p] Bribemania Bribemania Notable [Mail] 20 / 20 74,000 24,848,000,000
5 [p] Second To Some Second To Some Rude [Mail] 20 / 20 80,000 16,622,000,000


Ryu, last time i checked, 62-44 wasnt 5 :P

[IceOfFire]

"Resistance", rofl.
Second to Some will not be involved in ruining equal fights or fighting in unfair ones.

that is the best sort of attitude to have :D

shame some people *cough* hero *cough* dont see things that way :<

Shame you guys didn't have this attitude either huh? Let's not forget Res and dRAGE hit Apha when there was like.. a 5b difference in scores?

1. We hit you as the resistance - IE against rank 1 alliance
2. This was the score difference when resistance first sent (At ETA 1)

Leave Your Alliance
Alliances In Game - Score Ranks:
Score H/F Rating
Rank: Status: Name: H/F Title: Mail: Members: Acres: Score
1 [p] Aphallatosis Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 170,000 62,528,000,000
2 [p] dRAGE QUIT Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 142,287 44,771,064,108
3 [p] Res of Meus Votum Res of Meus Votum Ignoble [Mail] 20 / 20 100,000 35,682,000,000
4 [p] Bribemania Bribemania Notable [Mail] 20 / 20 74,000 24,848,000,000
5 [p] Second To Some Second To Some Rude [Mail] 20 / 20 80,000 16,622,000,000


5b...Sure - And yes this is the actual score difference before you say i was lying! Why else would i record it!
So get your facts right.

[Ryu]

The day we did our first of the two attacks with Res. This was the score:

Alliances In Game - Score Ranks:
Score H/F Rating
Rank: Status: Name: H/F Title: Mail: Members: Acres: Score
1 [p] Aphallatosis Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 170,000 62,528,000,000
2 [p] dRAGE QUIT Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 142,287 44,771,064,108
3 [p] Res of Meus Votum Res of Meus Votum Ignoble [Mail] 20 / 20 100,000 35,682,000,000
4 [p] Bribemania Bribemania Notable [Mail] 20 / 20 74,000 24,848,000,000
5 [p] Second To Some Second To Some Rude [Mail] 20 / 20 80,000 16,622,000,000


Ryu, last time i checked, 62-44 wasnt 5 :P

Come on hypocrite, you know I'm talking about the second time you hit us. We didn't have more than a 5b score lead.

[LuckySports]

It really doesn't matter..

We only hit twigleys alliance because of the uber-land fat targets.. and we've even stopped that.. (not really fair tbh..) I've been smashing solos myself.. :P Although I keep getting myself killed in the process..


and the big question really is.. WHY ARE WE RANK 1?! :( Alpha has more land than us.. by a fair margin.. but They appear to be stocking seeds.. :/

[Ogluk]

The day we did our first of the two attacks with Res. This was the score:

Alliances In Game - Score Ranks:
Score H/F Rating
Rank: Status: Name: H/F Title: Mail: Members: Acres: Score
1 [p] Aphallatosis Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 170,000 62,528,000,000
2 [p] dRAGE QUIT Villainous [Mail] 20 / 20 142,287 44,771,064,108
3 [p] Res of Meus Votum Res of Meus Votum Ignoble [Mail] 20 / 20 100,000 35,682,000,000
4 [p] Bribemania Bribemania Notable [Mail] 20 / 20 74,000 24,848,000,000
5 [p] Second To Some Second To Some Rude [Mail] 20 / 20 80,000 16,622,000,000


Ryu, last time i checked, 62-44 wasnt 5 :P

Come on hypocrite, you know I'm talking about the second time you hit us. We didn't have more than a 5b score lead.

resistances have been known to follow things through and actually finish the job occasionally :O

[Ogluk]

and the big question really is.. WHY ARE WE RANK 1?! :( Alpha has more land than us.. by a fair margin.. but They appear to be stocking seeds.. :/

then repossess their acres :o

[LuckySports]

and the big question really is.. WHY ARE WE RANK 1?! :( Alpha has more land than us.. by a fair margin.. but They appear to be stocking seeds.. :/

then repossess their acres :o

lol.. Ever the instigator? ;)

[Ogluk]

and the big question really is.. WHY ARE WE RANK 1?! :( Alpha has more land than us.. by a fair margin.. but They appear to be stocking seeds.. :/

then repossess their acres :o

lol.. Ever the instigator? ;)


Someones gotta lead our powerblock right?, those attacks between us were just for show yeah? :P

[Ahead]

It really doesn't matter..

We only hit twigleys alliance because of the uber-land fat targets.. and we've even stopped that.. (not really fair tbh..) I've been smashing solos myself.. :P Although I keep getting myself killed in the process..


and the big question really is.. WHY ARE WE RANK 1?! :( Alpha has more land than us.. by a fair margin.. but They appear to be stocking seeds.. :/

Wait.. who's the resistance on then?

[LuckySports]

It really doesn't matter..

We only hit twigleys alliance because of the uber-land fat targets.. and we've even stopped that.. (not really fair tbh..) I've been smashing solos myself.. :P Although I keep getting myself killed in the process..


and the big question really is.. WHY ARE WE RANK 1?! :( Alpha has more land than us.. by a fair margin.. but They appear to be stocking seeds.. :/

Wait.. who's the resistance on then?

^ I dunno.. I'm still trying to figure out how we took rank 1.. :/ I didn't expect to make it to rank 2 this early in the round :P

To ogluk:

lol, We're still in discussion as to what we want to do.. :P The thing with FTF allies, is its a bit more important to get everyone's opinion before you do anything that affects everyone.. ^_^

unless they attack first, then ITS ON! >:D

[IceOfFire]

and the big question really is.. WHY ARE WE RANK 1?! :( Alpha has more land than us.. by a fair margin.. but They appear to be stocking seeds.. :/

Stop trying to shift the attention. You are rank one!

Secondly...If you are worried about them stocking seeds, why don't you hit them? Sure you won't do that either!

[Ryu]

They are hitting us, but now that's exactly what dRAGE wants. The competition to be bruised and battered for when they come out of sleep.

[LuckySports]

I dunno about bruised and battered.. We'd have to actually put in an effort to do real damage.. :/

but We can at least make sure you remember how to prank people online.. ^_^

IoF: I never wanted rank 1.. :P I'm a defender.. I'm good at organizing defense, I'm good at reading attacks.. The only reason I can steal land so well is because I can flak through anything and I can figure AR well enough.. ^_^

[IceOfFire]

They are hitting us, but now that's exactly what dRAGE wants. The competition to be bruised and battered for when they come out of sleep.

Is it???? Don't put words in our mouths!!

In my eyes Ryu, Res are the rank 1 alliance, they need resisting. Not you guys!!

Why would we want you guys dead?

[Ryu]

Died: 107,908,625 [£2,991,936,898,000] enemies dead. 135,173,143 [£876,724,997,600] friendlies dead.

[IceOfFire]

Hahahaha, can we have the whole BR?

[Ryu]

Why resist, bring the fight to us if you want. In the mean time, we'll just try to out grow you.

And of course dRAGE would love to see Res and Apha duke it out while they're in sleep. Puts them in a better position to come out of sleep and spend their funds on LET's.

[Ryu]

[close] 22,472 allied Protestor Leader attacked, distracting 5,247 hostile staff.
[close] 14,000,000 allied Psychopathic Android attacked, killing 2,811,701 hostile staff.
[close] 7,500,001 allied Hippy attacked, distracting 6,399,546 hostile staff.
[close] 25,052 allied Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 277,669 hostile staff.
[close] 6,269,508 allied Striker attacked, killing 1,997,836 hostile staff.
[close] 83,700,000 allied Secret Agent attacked, killing 91,084,828 hostile staff.
[close] 75,561 hostile Vampire attacked, killing 227,199 allied staff.
[raised] 10,673 corpses twitched into life, becoming Lesser Vampire.
[close] 15,991,703 allied Assassin attacked, killing 8,202,556 hostile staff.
[close] 658,987 allied Protestor Guru attacked, distracting 2,680,175 hostile staff.
[close] 5,381 allied Hippy Van attacked, distracting 2,012 hostile staff.
[close] 3,004,924 allied Cybernetic Warrior attacked, killing 3,753,902 hostile staff.
[close] 11,234,416 hostile Cybernetic Warrior attacked, killing 78,990,317 allied staff.
[close] 1,921,491 allied Yob attacked, disabling 22,352 hostile staff.
[close] 73,598 allied Small Droid made some funny beeps and disabled 2,095 hostile staff.
[close] 978,585 allied Apache Longbow attacked, killing 49,452 hostile staff.
[close] 118,967 allied Nanobot proved resistance was futile to 8,350 hostile staff.
[raised] 72 new nanobots were assimilated.
[close] 1,789,197 hostile Tyrant Drone attacked, killing 53,159,186 allied staff.
[close] 7,854,778 hostile Shield Android attacked, killing 2,796,441 allied staff.
[close] 771,731 allied Cloner attacked, bribing 186,378 hostile staff.

Distracted: 9,364,649 enemies distracted.
Disabled: 24,447 enemies disabled.
Died: 107,908,625 enemies dead. 135,173,143 friendlies dead.
Bribed: 186,378 enemies bribed.
Converted: 72 enemies converted. 10,673 friendlies converted.

[IceOfFire]

Why resist, bring the fight to us if you want. In the mean time, we'll just try to out grow you.

And of course dRAGE would love to see Res and Apha duke it out while they're in sleep. Puts them in a better position to come out of sleep and spend their funds on LET's.

I am one of the fatter members or res and since being in sleep i have gained 150b...I already had a couple of hundred. Why do you seem to think we are gonna have loads of seeds?

[Ryu]

Not that I'm involved in any way but:

The simple fact remains that, dRAGE are in sleep mode and stand to come out with at LEAST 600b-1tril funds making them able to buy fresh LET's.

1) You do know that seed production is reduced to 15% during sleep mode?


Twigley, the only reason I could see Res and Apha hitting you (Not together might I add) is that I heard you wanted to take no part in any kind of resistance? I could be wrong. Either way, don't think anyone trusted you guys taking a back seat to everything that was going on.


2) Why would Res (current rank 1 as of this post) hit Twigley's alliance for not joining the resistance (here I am presuming that the resistance is on rank 1 - that's normally what happens during resistances anyway..)? Secondly, why would Apha possibly take out one of the only two alliances willing to help them in a resistance, instead of asking further and trying to persuade them? Even if the answer is still no, surely a retal on rank 1 while they are all out would be a great place to start for a resistance?

1.) Of course I do. Say, for example. You have 10k acres, depending on the make up you make £19,458,260,112 an hour.

***8226; 466,998,242,688 a day
***8226; 6,537,975,397,632 for 2 weeks
***8226; 980,696,309,644 at 15% (Isn't it like 10 or 13?)

2.) I was talking before dRAGE lost rank one. Also, I honestly don't see Twig's ally getting involved with taking down Res if they take the lead too.

My math could be wrong.. who knows.

[LuckySports]

Not that I'm involved in any way but:

The simple fact remains that, dRAGE are in sleep mode and stand to come out with at LEAST 600b-1tril funds making them able to buy fresh LET's.

1) You do know that seed production is reduced to 15% during sleep mode?


Twigley, the only reason I could see Res and Apha hitting you (Not together might I add) is that I heard you wanted to take no part in any kind of resistance? I could be wrong. Either way, don't think anyone trusted you guys taking a back seat to everything that was going on.


2) Why would Res (current rank 1 as of this post) hit Twigley's alliance for not joining the resistance (here I am presuming that the resistance is on rank 1 - that's normally what happens during resistances anyway..)? Secondly, why would Apha possibly take out one of the only two alliances willing to help them in a resistance, instead of asking further and trying to persuade them? Even if the answer is still no, surely a retal on rank 1 while they are all out would be a great place to start for a resistance?

1.) Of course I do. Say, for example. You have 10k acres, depending on the make up you make £19,458,260,112 an hour.

***8226; 466,998,242,688 a day
***8226; 6,537,975,397,632 for 2 weeks
***8226; 980,696,309,644 at 15% (Isn't it like 10 or 13?)

2.) I was talking before dRAGE lost rank one. Also, I honestly don't see Twig's ally getting involved with taking down Res if they take the lead too.

My math could be wrong.. who knows.

Pretty sure they only put in for 72 hours.. :P They'll be out tomorrow nite-ish

and
if we suicide enough, we won't be rank 1.. ^_^

*puts his plan into motion*

[Zaheen]

[15:06:59] * Zaheen (~me@Zaheen.users.netgamers.org) has joined #bushtarion
[15:06:59] * P sets mode: +l 63
[15:07:23] <Zaheen> Alcibiades, you pathetic prick
[15:07:41] <Zaheen> No point posting your bullshit seed paste logs days after you grew them
[15:07:44] <Alcibiades> If you have a gripe with me, why don't you PM me? I'm sure the whole channel doesn't need to be subjected to your vile tripe.
[15:07:45] <Zaheen> "Oh look, we didn't save seeds"
[15:07:47] <Zaheen> So full of ****
[15:07:57] <Alcibiades> rofl, pwned again, so you're changing your facts.
[15:07:58] <Alcibiades> epic win :P
[15:08:02] <Alcibiades> PM me if you have further problems
[15:08:08] * Zaheen (~me@Zaheen.users.netgamers.org) Quit (Quit: <FFX> why cant allies enjoy each others company <FFX> too competitive lol <FFX> top ally, fighting for a piece of land)


So then if we planted, we're not seed stocking, which means we deserve the rank we have due to using our troops to good effect? Thanks for proving my point :P
You're right Alci, the whole of Bushtarion doesn't need to know my vile triple. Which kind of makes you slightly hypocritical here, all the players who use the forums don't need to read the abuse I send you.

Anyway, I just wanted to say congratulations to dRAGE QUIT, for making what was a fun round boring again. All of you hit sleep mode to coward out of what should have been one of the greatest bloodbaths I have ever witnessed.

Sleep mode is there for players who go on holiday, solo players who go to sleep, maybe for weaker alliance members who can't give cover to their players....

But why did all your alliance hit sleep mode? Surely the amount of arrogance and "skill" you players THINK you have should have told you to fight back, not hit sleep mode for a week to coward out from the fight.

-----

As for competition, and I mean no offence to Res by this comment - but how the hell can you throw in the "oh Aphall are just piggying us when we hit dRAGE" card?!

So them helping you attack dRAGE means they are piggying? Why must you "so called" FUN players be so ignorant and delusional?! That's exactly the same thing you did against Aphall when dRAGE hit them, all you did was "piggy" since you couldn't have taken Aphall alone.

Yes you might be first place, but you wouldn't have been able to get there alone, not without dRAGE/Bribemania's help - so there is no need to act as if Aphall are piggying you just because they attacked dRAGE a few times, piggying is a completely different thing altogether (it's something that annoying players do).

[LuckySports]

As for competition, and I mean no offence to Res by this comment - but how the hell can you throw in the "oh Aphall are just piggying us when we hit dRAGE" card?!

So them helping you attack dRAGE means they are piggying? Why must you "so called" FUN players be so ignorant and delusional?! That's exactly the same thing you did against Aphall when dRAGE hit them, all you did was "piggy" since you couldn't have taken Aphall alone.

Yes you might be first place, but you wouldn't have been able to get there alone, not without dRAGE/Bribemania's help - so there is no need to act as if Aphall are piggying you just because they attacked dRAGE a few times, piggying is a completely different thing altogether (it's something that annoying players do).



You must be seriously misinformed.. I'm pretty sure they were piggying on s2s. You should probably check your sources before going on a tangent about something that was never even mentioned.. ^_^

[Ryu]

nomnom

BORING ROUND IS BORING NOW

[Zaheen]

You must be seriously misinformed.. I'm pretty sure they were piggying on s2s. You should probably check your sources before going on a tangent about something that was never even mentioned.. ^_^
I'm talking about the fight against dRAGE LuckySports...

I'm pretty sure that was clear cut.

[Ogluk]

nomnom

BORING ROUND IS BORING NOW

Only cos you guys and Res wont fight!

[Ryu]

Pshhh, we do fight. It's just not as fun.

[Zaheen]

Only cos you guys and Res wont fight!
dRAGE owned Res at the start of the round, which led you to catch up and take the lead. And now that Res are bigger due to numerous tag team and "team tactics", should they bash out an alliance who had mercy on them whilst the main threat is all hiding out in sleep mode? Or should they wait for these cowards to come out of sleep mode and finish off what they started.

Both situations would leave your alliance SAFE, exactly what you wanted (because you want to win so you can mass/bash/wave everyone all round) like you did with my alliance, and any other alliance 10x smaller than you.

Only this time both Aphall and Res got it right, they targetted the alliance with the biggest bunch of vile and arrogant players in it for one day, and they hit sleep mode for one week. You want them to bash each other out, I want them to both wait for you and bash your alliance out - just for hitting sleep mode if anything.

[IceOfFire]

*two weeks

[Zaheen]

*two weeks
Why even sign up this round?

Why didn't you all just hit delete.

[IceOfFire]

*two weeks
Why even sign up this round?

Why didn't you all just hit delete.

I was against it, but not gonna leave my friends.

[Alcibiades]

*two weeks
Why even sign up this round?

Why didn't you all just hit delete.

I was against it, but not gonna leave my friends.

This. I hate sleepmode but I will follow majority decisions for the good of the ally.

[Zaheen]

This. I hate sleepmode but I will follow majority decisions for the good of the ally.
You left FeR for dead, for the good or the ally?

I simply can't put it any nicer, but you've chickened out of the round...

[Alcibiades]

You're incorrect. Since you're not a member of dRQ, you have no ability to speak on our motives.

[Zaheen]

You're incorrect. Since you're not a member of dRQ, you have no ability to speak on our motives.
Just giving my opinion, was it tactical, are half of you seriously ill? Or are you just going to defend your corner without any justification.

If half of you were against it then why did you do it?

[Alcibiades]

Our reasons are not up for public discussion. I just wished to say you were making an incorrect assumption.

[Zaheen]

Our reason(s) are not up for public discussion. I just wished to say you were making an incorrect assumption.
Correct my assumption then, who told you to do it?

[Alcibiades]

One reason only. And my leader told me to do it. I don't see the argument here.

[Zaheen]

There is no argument, just me wanting to know the reason - I'm sure there are plenty of others wanting to know as well.

[LuckySports]

You must be seriously misinformed.. I'm pretty sure they were piggying on s2s. You should probably check your sources before going on a tangent about something that was never even mentioned.. ^_^
I'm talking about the fight against dRAGE LuckySports...

I'm pretty sure that was clear cut.

Alpha never piggied off of us to hit dRAGE, they attacked WITH us, but not piggies.. ^_^



dRAGE owned Res at the start of the round, which led you to catch up and take the lead. And now that Res are bigger due to numerous tag team and "team tactics", should they bash out an alliance who had mercy on them whilst the main threat is all hiding out in sleep mode? Or should they wait for these cowards to come out of sleep mode and finish off what they started.


THIS never happend. :P We didn't fight dRAGE at the start.. Alphatosis took a fair bit of our land early on, before we had the units to really defend any mass incomings, We did out-tech them quickly though, so when it came to "resist" we had better units, if less of them.

[Zaheen]

Alpha never piggied off of us to hit dRAGE, they attacked WITH us, but not piggies.. ^_^
That's what one of your members said, that they piggied you against dRAGE ^ ^

We did out-tech them quickly though, so when it came to "resist" we had better units, if less of them.
They had mercy on you, they could have bashed you out at any time in the first 3 weeks, but only came for a bit of land ^ ^ (which I got annoyed at them at).

[LuckySports]

I think that person meant that they piggied us at s2s, because thats when we got pissed at them..

As for having mercy - I won't deny that. :P They did stop attacks and they could have gotten more than that did.. ^_^ Although it would have started to hurt real soon.. Since we had decent lethals out pretty early.. We just didn't buy them :P

[Zaheen]

Yeps!

My alliance did the same (developments), it's just all the fully developed ones decided to ship jump ^ ^

That's what I'm saying though, they had big mercy on you and moved on to dRAGE, so it would be a slap in the face if you bashed them in next century when they were down, was what I was saying.

I don't think either of you should power block, some odd rushes and hits now and again would be nice...

I think you should both build up to mash dRAGE (as they are cowards, and should be punished)...and then after they are down and out I think both alliances should recoup, plan some strategy and then declare war on each other so there is no insurance, kill each other at the same time and let me and my solo minionz farm j00pz ;D (craps, what about Twigley?)

Really is up to both alliances what they decide to do however, everybody knows who would play dirty if they take the lead again ^ ^

[Davis]

what zaheen means to say is
"I hate IoF, Silence, Signer, and all that is Caz, I will do anything and everything in my power to convince everyone that dRage needs to be bashed into oblivion as they consist of all of those people"
<3

[LuckySports]

lol..

We attacker each other a bit.. ^_^ But we did leave Alpha alone when we could have jumped inbetween them and dRAGE to farm their land.. :P

was more fun to attack the bigger alliance though.. ^_^

[Zaheen]

what zaheen means to say is
"I hate IoF, Silence, Signer, and all that is Caz, I will do anything and everything in my power to convince everyone that dRage needs to be bashed into oblivion as they consist of all of those people"
<3
Hey! You missed out Dax, cb1202, Stegosaurus, Hobbezak, daniel_nz, Alcibiades, CFalcon and a few other hidden/unknown players.

Seriously though, you're entitled to your opinion however accurate/inaccurate that may be.

lol..

We attacker each other a bit.. ^_^ But we did leave Alpha alone when we could have jumped inbetween them and dRAGE to farm their land.. :P

was more fun to attack the bigger alliance though.. ^_^
Yep, pointless bashing out Discworld just because you can, and it was really pointless for dRAGE to bash out my alliance too, half of them players have given up / quit now ^ ^

I must seek revenge :vamp:

[Zaheen]

*two weeks
2 weeks my ass.

[Hobbezak]

This. I hate sleepmode but I will follow majority decisions for the good of the ally.
You left FeR for dead, for the good or the ally?

I simply can't put it any nicer, but you've chickened out of the round...

I wanted to say one thing on the sleepmode idea: Apha kickraped half their alliance because they weren't performing (as they got killed by us when they were uncontactable). And then you say we chickened out of the round for taking a 3 day break. I think it says a lot when you claim kickrape is a more elegant and honourable solution than a sleepmode break.

We have had a former member of Apha apply with us because "he wants to rebuild after being kickraped by Apha for going on holiday". Nice one. Wouldn't you say it would be more elegant if they allowed him to hit sleep for a week, instead of kickraping him?

[Zaheen]

I wanted to say one thing on the sleepmode idea: Apha kickraped half their alliance because they weren't performing (as they got killed by us when they were uncontactable). And then you say we chickened out of the round for taking a 3 day break. I think it says a lot when you claim kickrape is a more elegant and honourable solution than a sleepmode break.

We have had a former member of Apha apply with us because "he wants to rebuild after being kickraped by Apha for going on holiday". Nice one. Wouldn't you say it would be more elegant if they allowed him to hit sleep for a week, instead of kickraping him?
Do I look like the leader of Aphall to you Hobbezak?

Kick/raping half their alliance is a little far fetched, you mean more like replacing dead wood for people who are actually playing the game. Your alliance doesn't have that problem because you all played non stop from day 1 (except the odd 1 who has been in sleep). But like I said I'm not the leader of Aphall so there is no need to reply to my quote directing comments like that at me.

You all chickened out from the round with the "assumption" that Res would target Aphall, and when you come out you'll be caught in the middle most likely. Kick/raping members is totaly fine if they deserved it, only I kick/raped only one person (Jakeswake) as I caught him farming somebody 10-15% of his score 2 days running before spies were out, unfortunately for me the ID mysteriously deleted before I got my spies, and the proof was gone. I knew he did though, I don't need any proof for kick raping a liar. And they certainly don't need to justify kick/raping anybody else, who isn't performing in a ftw alliance - but none of you have justified your alliance sleep mode which appeared to look quite cowardly from where I'm sitting :turn-l:

[Hobbezak]

And they certainly don't need to justify kick/raping anybody else, who isn't performing in a ftw alliance

Ok, that was all I needed to know. Kickraping someone who betrayed your alliance, that's a good enough reason. But kickrape for not performing (i.e. going on holiday), that's not done imho.

My question to you, although I must admit quite implicitly, was why you choose to go on some sort of crusade against us, when other alliances do things far worse (i.e. kickrape people who haven't betrayed their alliance).

Is it just because we attacked your alliance? :)
Btw don't play the "you bashed an alliance much smaller than yours", because Apha have again beaten us on that, by following attacks by Res on Twigs alliance, effectively 2v1'ing a much smaller alliance.
Or is it because you have a personal problem with us? In that case, you should take it to pm imho

edit: Fyi, OldFarts, an alliance ranked 2 at that moment (3-4w before end of round), hit sleep for 2 weeks. So it's not "du jamais vu".

[IceOfFire]

This. I hate sleepmode but I will follow majority decisions for the good of the ally.
You left FeR for dead, for the good or the ally?

I simply can't put it any nicer, but you've chickened out of the round...

I wanted to say one thing on the sleepmode idea: Apha kickraped half their alliance because they weren't performing (as they got killed by us when they were uncontactable). And then you say we chickened out of the round for taking a 3 day break. I think it says a lot when you claim kickrape is a more elegant and honourable solution than a sleepmode break.

We have had a former member of Apha apply with us because "he wants to rebuild after being kickraped by Apha for going on holiday". Nice one. Wouldn't you say it would be more elegant if they allowed him to hit sleep for a week, instead of kickraping him?


Private Sent by: HERO [XXXX] Sun 12th Sep, 2010. 15:35:40 GMT Reply Forward Subject:

Wasn't meant a's a direct insult tbh. Just makes me laugh that people try so much and I ways get the mail like they thought they had a chance. Yea you guys have killed the same few people a couple of times. New dads and stuff deserve some slack, if I were a douche like iof, I'd have kick raped them in their sleep by now and let in many of the active a contactable people that have applied. A couple from your group even ;) but it is a game, and we will fight to win it on our own without running to others :)





I thought you weren't going to kick anyone Hero??

[Zaheen]

My question to you, although I must admit quite implicitly, was why you choose to go on some sort of crusade against us, when other alliances do things far worse (i.e. kickrape people who haven't betrayed their alliance).

Is it just because we attacked your alliance? :)

Or is it because you have a personal problem with us? In that case, you should take it to pm imho

[14:44:08] <Alcibiades> either speak your peace, or shut your mouth
[14:44:10] <Alcibiades> *piece
_____

Basically, I hate your alliance and everybody in it - is that a good enough answer?

It has nothing to do with you taking out my alliance at all, as I hated your alliance BEFORE you attacked mine, and I still hate it the same AFTER you did.

I don't care who else hit sleep, what I said was I've never seen it before. If I played that round I would be able to comment on that round, and maybe give an opinion on the reasoning behind it. Your opinion counts for nothing to me because you and your alliance are nothing but no life, lying, waving bashers. Who can't play the game the way it should be played, who don't care about the game or the players in it.

All that matters to you is your rank, score and mobile phones.

[Ryu]

<3

[IceOfFire]

My question to you, although I must admit quite implicitly, was why you choose to go on some sort of crusade against us, when other alliances do things far worse (i.e. kickrape people who haven't betrayed their alliance).

Is it just because we attacked your alliance? :)

Or is it because you have a personal problem with us? In that case, you should take it to pm imho

[14:44:08] <Alcibiades> either speak your peace, or shut your mouth
[14:44:10] <Alcibiades> *piece
_____

Basically, I hate your alliance and everybody in it - is that a good enough answer?

It has nothing to do with you taking out my alliance at all, as I hated your alliance BEFORE you attacked mine, and I still hate it the same AFTER you did.

I don't care who else hit sleep, what I said was I've never seen it before. If I played that round I would be able to comment on that round, and maybe give an opinion on the reasoning behind it. Your opinion counts for nothing to me because you and your alliance are nothing but no life, lying, waving bashers. Who can't play the game the way it should be played, who don't care about the game or the players in it.

All that matters to you is your rank and your score, and sucking up to each other like homos.

The funny thing is, you flame and troll Alci saying "I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OR SAY" But do you think we gave a shi* about your personal hatred for...well everyone.

Just shut up, there is a reason no one likes you. Take it to PM, i am so so bored of your little child moaning.

Garrett and HG got banned for less than you! Hopefully it won't be long.

[Zaheen]

Your opinion counts for nothing to me because you and your alliance are nothing but no life, lying, waving bashers. Who can't play the game the way it should be played, who don't care about the game or the players in it.

All that matters to you is your rank and your score, and sucking up to each other like homos.

The funny thing is, you flame and troll Alci saying "I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OR SAY" But do you think we gave a shi* about your personal hatred for...well everyone.

Just shut up, there is a reason no one likes you. Take it to PM, i am so so bored of your little child moaning.

Garrett and HG got banned for less than you! Hopefully it won't be long.
He trolls me, I flame him.

Shut up? I'll happily take it to PM, if you stop posting trash all the time on the forums. I don't play games to make friends IceOfFire, I play them for the fun I get out of them. Seems to be a whole different ball game for you and your alliance. You seem to play to become the best of friends, who give each other contact numbers, e-mail address, highlights.

You probably speak to each other more than you speak to your family, your girlfriend (if you can even get one).

I asked why they were banned, but nobody has given me an honest answer other than "they were on crack" which isn't really detailed.

[Alcibiades]

They were banned for repetitive vitriolic posts on forums about Azzer hating his game, the game dying and generally for a horrendously negative attitude.

HG had further issues, relating to her being a Super moderator/OP/staff member. But the gist of it was an excessively negative attitude.

[Zaheen]

They were banned for repetitive vitriolic posts on forums about Azzer hating his game, the game dying and generally for a horrendously negative attitude.

HG had further issues, relating to her being a Super moderator/OP/staff member. But the gist of it was an excessively negative attitude.
Well my attitude isn't like theirs, is it?

I'm trying to get to the root of the problem.

[Polo]

They were banned for repetitive vitriolic posts on forums about Azzer hating his game, the game dying and generally for a horrendously negative attitude.

HG had further issues, relating to her being a Super moderator/OP/staff member. But the gist of it was an excessively negative attitude.
Well my attitude isn't like theirs, is it?

I'm trying to get to the root of the problem.

Constant stalking/flaming/trolling doesn't appear to be helping anyone get to the root of the problem.

[Zaheen]

I'm trying to get to the root of the problem.

Constant stalking/flaming/trolling doesn't appear to be helping anyone get to the root of the problem.
I'm trying the best I am, I think it's a player mentality issue. You think it's bad game design.

Not think it's both?

[Polo]

I'm trying to get to the root of the problem.

Constant stalking/flaming/trolling doesn't appear to be helping anyone get to the root of the problem.
I'm trying the best I am, I think it's a player mentality issue. You think it's bad game design.

Not think it's both?

Actually if you read some of my posts you'll see that I also think there's a problem with player mentality which the game amplifies so it is both.

However, stalking/flaming/trolling people isn't going to fix anything.

[CFalcon]

I'm trying to get to the root of the problem.

Constant stalking/flaming/trolling doesn't appear to be helping anyone get to the root of the problem.
I'm trying the best I am, I think it's a player mentality issue. You think it's bad game design.

Not think it's both?

Both changing player mentality and changing game mechanics could solve the problem.

However, you have practically zero chance of changing player mentality. Particularly if you go about it by insulting everyone and everything. Ingratiation is a thousand times more effective than aggression.

[nolimit]

despite zaheen's rough attitude. I stand behind him and think its lame/sad how much *you guys controlls this forum and game*.

but then again i dont wanna blame you guys since you have made it your own forum and game and i guess we else just should stfu and be happy. But as I said in start its sad and lame and you guys are deffiently killing/scaring of some very good players of the community and game. Much like in a dictator and communist country :F

I dont think you understand that its only good with ppl with different point of views rather than everyone should agree with the guys on this and that.

Enough of my bs.

and dont be so rough on the outsiders :E damn dictators and lamers.

[Alcibiades]

I don't expect everyone to agree with me nolimit. But I do expect them to be polite when they're disagreeing with me.

I'm happy to have, and encourage lively debate. What I do not encourage is rampant hate as a response to a disagreement. I am aware I occasionally do fall prey to my own temper but it isn't all the time and im trying to get better. :)

[IceOfFire]

Well i guess that concludes it...Apha and Res power block!!

[Davis]

I mean honestly wtf is going on, everyone said just wait till rage come out of sleep then all the attacking will begin, is it just me or is there very little if any attacks going on?

[IceOfFire]

Apha hit us and on eta 3 Res sent, to help them on LT.

If they were just sending a long as we were out defending, why would they send on Aphas last tick to help them?

[Dax]

I mean honestly wtf is going on, everyone said just wait till rage come out of sleep then all the attacking will begin, is it just me or is there very little if any attacks going on?

You're missing the entire 72hr sleep mode thing.
Regardless of Zaheen's ramblings, I will explain why sleep mode was hit for the weekend, just to at least put it out there for consideration.
On the Friday, we started getting joint incomings from Res and Aphall - This isn't made up (and I do have print screens to post for the round end to support any of my arguments) - We had seven players away for the weekend, and unable to partake. So we all arranged a set time to hit sleep - We called every member, sent a mass mail, and changed the channel name to indicate the plans. We also had a vote on the idea, and whilst it was unliked, it was the best tactical decision we had available (but hey - failing that, we could just boot those seven and get new players in like Hero does, no?).
FeR was contacted, just like everyone else - He was even online on the tick we hit sleep. He just didn't do it. Someone always messes up something in an en masse plan, and sadly FeR was that person in that situation. But he didn't whine, or complain - He went solo and worked on rebuilding for when we all came back out of sleep.
We did think possibly that the supposed 'competitive elements' of ranks 1 & 3 at the time would actually make trades - However, this didn't happen. Instead they chose to attack Twigley. I again, have screenshots of the alliance standings per 24hrs whilst in SM.
Now we are out of sleep, we have a 2v1 battle. Now, I'm not going to complain, because that would put me at levels such as Ryu and Hero, who threw a fit the moment they saw a member of another alliance send with us as a part of a resistance movement. What I don't understand, however, is that when we are attacked en masse, that the other competitor doesn't counter them to take land? This would be my standpoint on the situation - Attempting to take land from both alliances. It's simple, and I also think it's relatively simple to organise.
My two cents, voila.

[IceOfFire]

Maybe just spy us numb nuts? Apha hit us and on eta 3 Res sent, to help them on LT.

If they were just sending a long as we were out defending, why would they send on Aphas last tick to help them?
:respekt:

I'm sure there is a perfectly valid explanation, perhaps neither alliance knew of any LT times of each other, and that's just sheer chance.

Just because they send one joint attack at you, doesn't constitute a power block, however 20 days of no attacking but constant helping each other does.

So that means they never spied to find offliners, check who is still in the alliance, check if we are out attacking.


How often do you attack blind????

[Polo]

What I don't understand, however, is that when we are attacked en masse, that the other competitor doesn't counter them to take land?

This would result in a stalemate where no alliance is willing to mass attack one ally in fear of getting incoming from the other.

[Dax]

What I don't understand, however, is that when we are attacked en masse, that the other competitor doesn't counter them to take land?

This would result in a stalemate where no alliance is willing to mass attack one ally in fear of getting incoming from the other.

It's been like that for ages anyway, before we hit sleepmode!
It is still the best tactical decision to make for the benefit of your own alliance, anyway.

[LuckySports]

Wasn't intentional.. ^_^

ID's removed and names slightly-changed.. as well as few lines deleted to make it safe for reproduction outside the alliance channel :P


[10:33] <ThatGuy> are we sending behind aph?
[10:33] <Someone> yes
[10:33] <Someone> :p
[10:33] <Someone> just saw
[10:34] <Someone> whaha, they ****ed...
[10:34] <MyArsenalHurts> ??
[10:34] <Someone> spy [ID REMOVED]
[10:35] <WickedDude> MyArsenalHurts
[10:35] <WickedDude> when it comes to it
[10:35] <Someone> ahpa send like 3 ticks befor us
[10:35] <WickedDude> can u help me spie
[10:35] <MyArsenalHurts> yeah
[10:35] <Someone> brb\
[10:36] <WickedDude> omg
[10:36] <WickedDude> now they have a proper screen of red
[10:36] <WickedDude> lol
[10:36] <MyArsenalHurts> :P
[10:36] <MyArsenalHurts> did apha send?
[10:36] <WickedDude> they may not even notice mine and her mis sends
[10:36] <WickedDude> yeah
[10:36] <WickedDude> on three targets per person it loks like
[10:36] <MyArsenalHurts> Silence style?
[10:36] <WickedDude> [ID REMOVED] as well
[10:36] <ThatGuy> was this planned with apha?
[10:36] <WickedDude> no
[10:36] <WickedDude> i had no idea
[10:36] <WickedDude> lol
[10:36] <ThatGuy> rofl
[10:37] <ThatGuy> hell of a coincidence
[10:37] <WickedDude> like they would let us piggy anyway
[10:37] <ThatGuy> that actuall works in our favor for once :O
[10:37] <WickedDude> those greedy ****s
[10:37] <WickedDude> lol
[10:37] <WickedDude> yeah
[10:37] <ThatGuy> thought that seemed out of character for them :p
[10:37] <WickedDude> theres not much defence either
[10:38] <MyArsenalHurts> there is now
[10:38] <MyArsenalHurts> :P
[10:39] <MyArsenalHurts> nothing on our real
[10:39] <MyArsenalHurts> :P
[10:40] <ISuck!> WickedDude
[10:40] <ISuck!> are we following aphalla?
[10:40] <WickedDude> yeah
[10:40] <WickedDude> lol
[10:40] <ISuck!> wtf.
[10:40] <MyArsenalHurts> ISuck! - by accident
[10:40] <ISuck!> POWERBLOCK
[10:40] <WickedDude> unintentionally :p
[10:40] <ISuck!> POWERBLOCK
[10:40] <ISuck!> POWERBLOCK
[10:40] <ISuck!> OMFG
[10:40] <ISuck!> :P
[10:40] <ISuck!> So much troll in #bushtarion
[10:41] <ISuck!> WickedDude

[IceOfFire]

Anyone can make a convo like that, not hard.

[LuckySports]

The only things I changed were names, removed the IDs, and removed any lines that didn't have anything to do with the attack..

I really didn't need to fake a convo, and I wouldn't if I did.. :P The truth is out there, whether you accept it or not is your choice.

*goes back to work..* ^_^

EDIT: Btw - It takes a while to change all the names. :( Im surprised I didn't miss any.. ^_^

[IceOfFire]

Strange how its happening again! What pure chance!!

[atsanjose]

EDIT: Btw - It takes a while to change all the names. :( Im surprised I didn't miss any.. ^_^

paste in notepad

ctrl+h

go here (http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?p=64810#post64810)

and immortalize yourself

[Davis]

I mean honestly wtf is going on, everyone said just wait till rage come out of sleep then all the attacking will begin, is it just me or is there very little if any attacks going on?
You're missing the entire 72hr sleep mode thing.


um mayne you be trippen, you guys were out of sleep when i posted that... so why hadn't stuff happened when you came out of sleep is what i was asking... not why nothing happened those three days... nice try though.

but it looks like rank 1/2 powerblocking to take out rank 3 now. i understand not killing apha because you want to hit rage all the way first. but having them send with you is low.

[Zaheen]

but having them send with you is low.
It's a similar situation when dRAGE QUIT bashed my alliance, about 2-3 others also sent at us (but I didn't start saying they were all teaming - everybody wanted the free acres).

How is it low? dRAGE QUIT are full of members who play this way, justice will be made if they are given the same treatment.

[Davis]

but having them send with you is low.
:snip: I Hate dRage's members :snip:

Um because when they sent at you it was just other alliances sending for free land? Cody was at my house when it happened and I saw the incs, it was originally just dRage hitting you then once others realized you were easy/free land, they sent for easy/free land. However this has been Res+Apha from the first wave and in an organized manor... quite different tbh.


Edit:
Lol i forgot that :s would make a :s face and thus make snip look like awkward face nip :P