Sincere Apology

[Dax]

Its no secret to what happened this afternoon, as Ive been told it has been well covered in #bush.
I dont want to delve into the act itself, if you are interested enough then you can go and find out.
To the point of my post though, this is a full apology to the ten players I left behind from Finale.
You were all helpful and worthy members to play alongside, and what has happened rather than improving the game by levelling the playing field vs rank 1, we have in fact given people one more reason NOT to play this game.
This was never my intention, I agreed to a planned and well notified switch of players between two alliances for a long lasting benefit. What has happened is I may of been part of a decision that has caused the disheartening of TWENTY few and far between players to the point of dropping this game.
I know two of these people as real life friends, and they are both gutted and disappointed that I allowed this to happen, and went along with it.
I feel I have discredited myself and damaged a game I thoroughly enjoy playing.
So again, my most solemn apologies to those 20 players for being a part of allowing this to happen. I am leaving my position in **** as a result. It was never about glory.

[Iamsmart]

Traitor.

[Alcibiades]

For those of us who don't know, can someone give a short relatively unbiased explanation of WTF he is talking about?

[WackyJacky]

Sure.

Bruce logged on this afternoon. After PMing DA for a bit he said "alright DA let's do it now" at which point I knew something bad was coming. Then someone said "wtf we just lost 5 members."

Low and behold Dax, DA, Bruce, dave, and another (and I think a few more were taken later - someone correct me if I am wrong) had split.

Bruce was supposedly offered leadership of C.U.N.T. He was (and still is?) supposed to win the round with this "super-alliance."

The rest of Finale (Bruce's old alliance, where I was) were left out to dry. A few of us who were lucky enough to be one, left and started a new alliance. The others were undoubtedly massed and bashed (as we were hit quite a bit, but were able to help each other out for the most part.) As for the 10 members of C.U.N.T that were kicked to make space for Bruce and his merry band, well who knows.

That about sums it up I think.

[Alcibiades]

All I can say is I'm glad i left C.U.N.T when I did :P

Stupid behaviour, but best of luck in their quest to rank 1.

[TaO]

pssh wannabe Twigley..
Bruce, you fail
Dax, you fail

You say you feel terrible about what you did.. and yet you just sit around in C.U.N.T. like nothing has happened..

May the former C.U.N.T. and Finale members merge and take your alliance down!.


Disbanding and bashing your alliance is just for Twigley!

[Ram]

I love how people griped about twigley doing this, then do it themselves.
How the shoe is on the other foot now...

[Silence]

I love how people griped about twigley doing this, then do it themselves.
How the shoe is on the other foot now...

Well no. You are comparing quite different situations.

Twigley got flamed for joining the rank 1 alliance and POTENTIALLY eliminating support for helping the resistance (although he was sure that his alliance would not help, he was leader he must have known best)

Bruce left an alliance whereby only half were playing properly according to him, again as leader he knows best.

The two alliances merged in an attempt to try and get this round moving again.


So yes there is a big distinction between the two. If you cant see it you should go back and look again.

Dont make rash comments and try and fit them in with past events, it is unfair. It shows that you cannot make good observations and objective comments.


To reiterate because I think you will need it:
Bruce, tried to get the round moving again
Twigley, killed the round (but he assures us it was already dead, I was always sceptical but he *was* leader of his alliance after all)


All I can say is I'm glad i left C.U.N.T when I did :P

Stupid behaviour, but best of luck in their quest to rank 1.

Ohhh purrrrrrrleeeeeeeasssssssseeeeeeee thats such a silly comment with your 0 knowledge of the situation.

Yes you hurt my feelings :'(

[Ram]

Bruce left an alliance whereby only half were playing properly according to him, again as leader he knows best.


It was an ftf alliance, how does he expect them to play....

[Silence]

Bruce left an alliance whereby only half were playing properly according to him, again as leader he knows best.


It was an ftf alliance, how does he expect them to play....

Oh wait, alliances which are ftf demand no activity at all? Now you are generalising at all types of alliances fit a certain criteria, that there are no subjective differences between groups. Well there are. You generalise too much.

Still your comments as what can only be described as an officious bystander amuses me, you have *no* idea of the workings of that alliance yet you still comment!

Just let it go, you don***8217;t have enough information. The leader and the group surrounding him who helps him lead know the most - so your comments are rather redundant!

[Hobbezak]

Bruce left an alliance whereby only half were playing properly according to him, again as leader he knows best.


It was an ftf alliance, how does he expect them to play....

Obviously there's active ftf, and discworld-ftf. There's a world of difference between the 2.
I think CF made a brilliant quote on shipjumping: http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showpost.php?p=41826&postcount=93

Although one could argue that a leader does have some kind of responsibility to his alliance.

[Silence]

Bruce left an alliance whereby only half were playing properly according to him, again as leader he knows best.


It was an ftf alliance, how does he expect them to play....

Obviously there's active ftf, and discworld-ftf. There's a world of difference between the 2.
I think CF made a brilliant quote on shipjumping: http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showpost.php?p=41826&postcount=93

Although one could argue that a leader does have some kind of responsibility to his alliance.

CFs comment on ship jumping was possible one of the most reasoned arguments I***8217;ve ever read on these forums.

But I just want to pick up on your final comment and just expand a little upon it, as I felt that it was a good point. You accept the difference between DW ftf and contactable/active ftf. The responsibility of the contactable/active ftf leader is one where the extent of the responsibility to the alliance is that the active portion interests should remain paramount as they have fulfilled the criteria of the alliance.

So in a DW ftf alliance this would have been quite a bit more of a shady area, but in these circumstances it is justified as the members who were slacking were not doing what they had signed up for!

(it is quite obvious that when you are asked to be contactable it is implied that a certain level of activity is required - but then these days it is a must as the game has developed that way)

[Hobbezak]

My only concern was that as a leader you have a certain responsibility to your members, also the inactive ones, in the sense that they should have a decently timed warning about what's going to happen (genre "Listen guys, we feel some of you are kind of slacking. We think there are more interesting things happening at the top, we want to be a part of that, so we're going to merge with C.U.N.T. at time X, giving you (for example 24h) time to get some plan. We hope you understand et bla bla bla").

It seems, but obviously I don't have any knowledge of what really happened, so correct me if I'm wrong, that the active guys just left the inactive guys hanging, which imho means the leader didn't live up to the responsibility he had to the inactive guys.

[Dax]

My only concern was that as a leader you have a certain responsibility to your members, also the inactive ones, in the sense that they should have a decently timed warning about what's going to happen (genre "Listen guys, we feel some of you are kind of slacking. We think there are more interesting things happening at the top, we want to be a part of that, so we're going to merge with C.U.N.T. at time X, giving you (for example 24h) time to get some plan. We hope you understand et bla bla bla").

It seems, but obviously I don't have any knowledge of what really happened, so correct me if I'm wrong, that the active guys just left the inactive guys hanging, which imho means the leader didn't live up to the responsibility he had to the inactive guys.

I had the original conversation with DA at around 3pm yesterday, then I had family commitments to go and partake in, then a spliff with two friends who were actually in Finale.
I was more or less guaranteed that the move would be well publicised inside the alliance, and that it would literally be a planned instantaneous switch. Then I get a text whilst at the pub with friends to make the switch - So I did. If I had the time to be at home, it would of been my duty as the 'voice' of Finale to go ahead and make the plan known. I will also add, there was no pillaging of my former members. At least not on my part anyway. I dont have much more to say on the situation, because it ended up looking alot worse than it was meant to.

[Dark_Angel]

Disbanding and bashing your alliance is just for Twigley!


Don't make facts up just to help your comparison with Twigley. Ex finale/C.U.N.T were not bashed. Not one of them received inc from us (In fact most who had inc after the merger had inc because sour ex-members chose to jump on #bushtarion and tell the world - prompting substantial inc for themselves from other top 5 alliances).

This was not a malicious move on behalf of those involved. The dev multplier issue made the remaining 2 months of this round look particularly grim. The decision to do this was based on the hope that it could shake things up a bit.

The decision was only made because it was agreed the 10 players who were left behind in Finale+C.U.N.T were either "FTF" and had specified this when joining - or were generally just playing "FTF" - I.e logging in now and again and sending the odd defence. Thus they're better off in a lower ranking alliance anyway. (Admittedly a couple slightly more ftw players may have been left in the cold, but generally the right call was made on who to take, based on activity/reliability)

This move may not be a round changer - but as it stood Finale and c.u.n.t were operating very poorly - and were no match whatsoever for OP, or anyone else for that matter.

In my mind this was always going to be a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. This reasoning is being provided to set facts straight.

[Cheese]

Ok for you guys to do it but not ok when twigs did pretty much the same thing.

ROFL.

[atsanjose]

i forgive you dax :)

actually you did me a favour, now i wont have to hold back :D

[tobapopalos]

Ok for you guys to do it but not ok when twigs did pretty much the same thing.

ROFL.

It's always the way with this playerbase. Hypocrisy is rife.

Play with some principles, people.

[Twigley]

Stop talking about me.
:/

Also i lolled when i saw it happen and especially who did it.

[Davs]

My respect towards Dax is unaffected, for actually manning up and apologising - I just hope that those affected take as sincerely as I believe it was meant.

Silence, you seem to be implying that only the leaders have enough knowledge to comment. If you actually mean this you really do sicken me. As Hobbe said, leaders have a responsibility to keep their members informed on major events with regards to the future of their alliance. So the concept of "leader knows best" I find to be very very wrong. Yes, in this situation it appears to be the case, but it really shouldn't have been.

Obviously, I have no knowledge of what happened, but from reading the posts in here this is the opinion I've adopted. My apologies if I misunderstood, or inferred things that weren't there to be inferred from your post.

[Martin]

People whom perform actions which have detrimental effects to others will be 'haunted' (couldn't think of a better clever adjective) by this and not trusted again.

I don't wish to come accross as turning a situation that has nothing to do with me, onto me, but people still won't play with me because of things I have done.

I understand Silence's point, but there were better ways for the 5 to go about their actions - that you cannot deny.

You make your bed, you sleep in it.



It's also a war game, if you trust too much, you will get burned, live with it and kick their arses.

[Silence]

Silence, you seem to be implying that only the leaders have enough knowledge to comment. If you actually mean this you really do sicken me.

Yeah sickening isn't it. Damn this game, the horror!

I made a distinction between when twigley did it and now. Then I made a distinction between two types of ftf groups.

How sickening.

The "only leader can comment" part was only relevant where the speculation was happening.

hobbezak posted a quote by CF, there is one part which I feel that should be highlighted


"But you would all rather make up your own reasons, because that way you get to post more hate. And if there's one thing we like doing on these forums it's posting hate. Yay for hate. [...] , but no, we'd rather draw our own conclusions on very little evidence and assume the worst, and that way, woop! more hate! hate hate hate."

I don***8217;t mean to be condescending, I honestly don't, but please read that and think of that next time please.

And that***8217;s why I feel that only the leader should be able to comment in times like this - they are the only guys who truly know what is going on.

I***8217;m not absolving myself from this as I***8217;m 100% sure I have been in situations where I would prefer to loosely know what is going on and then stir up the hate towards someone where we had a petty disagreement about something which didn***8217;t matter maybe 5 rounds ago.

Sickening, really?!

[Twigley]

Stop bringing me into your petty arguements.

kthnxbai.

[ZigZag]

Stop bringing me into your petty arguements.

kthnxbai.

lol I thought you liked it in the middle

[Twigley]

Getting boring seeing my own name

[Dax]

Getting boring seeing my own name

Alas, the end of an era ;)

But really, my apology was sincere, I wouldn't of made a forum post explaining myself so I could be publicly flogged and jeered at.
I know I said nothing else would be said on my part, but this has all gotten too far out of hand. I wouldn't of agreed to the idea in hindsight, but as they say - Hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing.
Hopefully alot of the members I brought in read this and attempt to understand my point before throwing aimless hate at me too.

[Bruce666]

Dax did nothing wrong as leader i take responsibility, all i will apologize for is: not giving prior notice, although i came online too an offer from silence too liven up the round, within 20minutes i agreed, made are terms and i made the move, i will not apologize for trying too make bushtarion what it used too be, as C.U.N.T and omgpop were the only ftw alliances as soon as one killed the other the round would be over, hopefully this outcome has been delayed and hopefully changed.

For all that know me or have played with me, i have allways wanted too lead an alliance that is capable of winning, i was given the chance too do so and take 10 of the best players i knew with me

If you want too flame me my nick is Bruce account mail me their and i will send you back some abuse

Bruce

[Twigley]

How will this liven up the round exactly?

Just wondering.

[Iamsmart]

they'll recruit me to organize a successful resistance for them

:o

[Alcibiades]

How will this liven up the round exactly?

Just wondering.

I am curious to see the reasoning too.

[Cheese]

Silence, you seem to be implying that only the leaders have enough knowledge to comment. If you actually mean this you really do sicken me.

Yeah sickening isn't it. Damn this game, the horror!

I made a distinction between when twigley did it and now. Then I made a distinction between two types of ftf groups.

How sickening.

The "only leader can comment" part was only relevant where the speculation was happening.

hobbezak posted a quote by CF, there is one part which I feel that should be highlighted


"But you would all rather make up your own reasons, because that way you get to post more hate. And if there's one thing we like doing on these forums it's posting hate. Yay for hate. [...] , but no, we'd rather draw our own conclusions on very little evidence and assume the worst, and that way, woop! more hate! hate hate hate."

I don’t mean to be condescending, I honestly don't, but please read that and think of that next time please.

And that’s why I feel that only the leader should be able to comment in times like this - they are the only guys who truly know what is going on.

I’m not absolving myself from this as I’m 100% sure I have been in situations where I would prefer to loosely know what is going on and then stir up the hate towards someone where we had a petty disagreement about something which didn’t matter maybe 5 rounds ago.

Sickening, really?!

Well going by your own words Silence, you aint the leader of C.U.N.T Bruce is so please don't comment.

[Dax]

How will this liven up the round exactly?

Just wondering.

I am curious to see the reasoning too.

Supposedly by bringing together 20 experienced active and contactable players to help organise and combat rank 1. Whether this is still doable or not is yet to be seen.

[WackyJacky]

Read page 1 then got tired of the bullshit.

1. We were given 0 notice. We were told AFTER half our alliance had left what the plan was.

2. Finale was FTF. I told Bruce I'd put in 3 hours a day. He said super, and took me in.

You spend around 8.1 hour(s) a day playing Bushtarion.

That's my activity this round. I gave Bruce 5 more hours a day then I signed up for, as well as putting my number up (I signed up telling him I would not be contactable, which he said was ok.) He wasted 45 hours of my bush playing time. THEN he went so far as to call me "useless" on IRC. I went PoMs (a route I detest) for the alliance, I was one of 2? active night players saving everyone's ass at night.

So for the people who think he had a right to leave the inactive players in the dust, your argument is obviously INCREDIBLY flawed.

But on a good note at least I get to lead an angry alliance now :)

[Alcibiades]

How will this liven up the round exactly?

Just wondering.

I am curious to see the reasoning too.

Supposedly by bringing together 20 experienced active and contactable players to help organise and combat rank 1. Whether this is still doable or not is yet to be seen.

You're going to need more than 20, i think. And you seem to have managed to piss off everyone else. Goodluck!

[Davis]

Dax did nothing wrong as leader i take responsibility, all i will apologize for is: not giving prior notice, although i came online too an offer from silence too liven up the round, within 20minutes i agreed, made are terms and i made the move, i will not apologize for trying too make bushtarion what it used too be, as C.U.N.T and omgpop were the only ftw alliances as soon as one killed the other the round would be over, hopefully this outcome has been delayed and hopefully changed.

For all that know me or have played with me, i have allways wanted too lead an alliance that is capable of winning, i was given the chance too do so and take 10 of the best players i knew with me

If you want too flame me my nick is Bruce account mail me their and i will send you back some abuse

Bruce




Bruce, you've lost all respect I've ever had for you.

Over the rounds you've been one of the few to always stand up for "what you thought was right". You were also the hardest towards Twigfag when he disbanded his alliance, and then you have the guts to turn around and do something similar? Grow some balls and then man up. And what makes me most mad is while you "took the blame" you failed to make a sincere apology its sad how little class you show within your posts and "your" alliance (finale). Don't justify this as "livening up the round" while you may have made *your* round more exciting, you have crushed and destroyed 10 of your loyal (maybe not as "amazing" as you wished but never the less LOYAL) member's rounds. This makes me glad that I hadn't accepted your offer to join your alliance. It would have been a mark against what little credibility I possess. Basically what I'm getting at is:
1. You're one of the biggest hypocrites I've seen in ages.
2. You're one of the most selfish players this whole post is showing how you were only thinking about yourself.
and
3. You're full of **** excuses.

-Davis

[Cody]

But on a good note at least I get to lead an angry alliance now :)

yeah.... a few really angry people that have had **** rounds thus far.... i get kicked/raped from C.U.N.T, join finale, and 2 days later log on to see 52 news and realize that im the leader of finale with 10 members, i personally have no troops, and later loose 3k of the 5k land that i had...... but now im atleast in an alliance that wont kick me or have half the members leave to join another alliance that has no hope in winning the round.... but good luck to you anyways

[TaO]

Resistance on rank 2 coming up then?
Take down Bruce and Silence, and proof them wrong!. Show them you don't have to be active / contactable.. just caring..

Bring down C.U.N.T! just for the pride and glory of all the "forgotten" soldiers!
I hereby call all alliance to resist against C.U.N.T!, mass rush them during nights! no sleep for them!, they must fall!!

[Twigley]

Stop trying to stir **** BigB, it's embarassing.

[TaO]

pssh im the only person making fun of this situation.. and now you're being mean! :(

[Bruce666]

Stop trying to stir **** BigB, it's embarassing.

twigley in this thread the only person i will apologize is too you and cheese i was hypocritical, and shouldnt of went off on one against you two, i had my reasons for doing this and dont give two ***** what people think of me, im sure you had yours too

[Iamsmart]

rofl

you truly are pathetic Bruce

Don't ever try to recruit me again

[Shadowbane]

I cba to read long posts with long quotes in them, so I only read the first post in this thread and what I understood was that you people, managed to disband an alliance while trying to powerblock. /Hall of Fame

[Cody]

Stop trying to stir **** BigB, it's embarassing.

twigley in this thread the only person i will apologize is too you and cheese i was hypocritical, and shouldnt of went off on one against you two, i had my reasons for doing this and dont give two ***** what people think of me, im sure you had yours too

just out of curiosity... what did Twigley's quote have to do with what you said?? or is it just because twigley said something and you wanted to point out that you were talking to him?? just wondering :P

[Ahead]

Blah
-Davis

Tbh I don't think you're the right man to be giving a lecture on shipjumping Davis :P And you called Bruce a hypocrite.. heh

[IceOfFire]

Meh, C.U.N.T are trying to make the best out of a bad situation! I think it was a good idea, yea it upset a few people and got a few people raped. But at least they are trying to do something for a resistance!

I say bring on the war!!

Good luck C.U.N.T - Sure us solos could become helpful!

[Iamsmart]

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.

Fyi.

I doubt any of the ones you screwed over will help with the resistance now.

[WackyJacky]

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.

Fyi.

I doubt any of the ones you screwed over will help with the resistance now.

Course we will. We'll just stab Bruce in the back once it's over ;)

[Davis]

Blah
-Davis

Tbh I don't think you're the right man to be giving a lecture on shipjumping Davis :P And you called Bruce a hypocrite.. heh

care to elaborate? or do you have no back up like always and are just posting **** to start ****?

[Ahead]

Blah
-Davis

Tbh I don't think you're the right man to be giving a lecture on shipjumping Davis :P And you called Bruce a hypocrite.. heh

care to elaborate? or do you have no back up like always and are just posting **** to start ****?

Oh no, I'm basing it on the fact that if you aren't in the rank 1 alliance 3 weeks or so into the round you'll try your damned hardest to shipjump into it.. just my past experiences of you.

[Davis]

Hmm Theres been maybe one round when i've pushed to jump from one alliance to the rank one. But to be honest I have no reason to justify myself to you. So continue your trolling elsewhere :)

Have good day sir.

[ZigZag]

I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone and jumped back a few rounds.

[Bruce666]

Meh, C.U.N.T are trying to make the best out of a bad situation! I think it was a good idea, yea it upset a few people and got a few people raped. But at least they are trying to do something for a resistance!

I say bring on the war!!

Good luck C.U.N.T - Sure us solos could become helpful!

C.U.N.T will appreciate all help and members we did screw over are welcome too join resistance,and they can hit us as soon as its over

The solos wil be a great help glad too play with you all:)

Iamsmart i wont be trying too recruit anyone again so dont worry yourself, this is my final rd leading, and maybe my final active round full stop

I have stated in another thread my personal reason and in detail too close friends so this game means little in comparison too my health, i wish my friends well, if i can i will visit a few of you.

I still will play this rd as long as i can, and hope the rd can get kickstarted, i find it funny when people slag people off for silly reasons so i expect lots of **** for this message too:p

[Davs]

Meh, C.U.N.T are trying to make the best out of a bad situation! I think it was a good idea, yea it upset a few people and got a few people raped. But at least they are trying to do something for a resistance!

I say bring on the war!!

Good luck C.U.N.T - Sure us solos could become helpful!

From a tactical point of view, converting two semi-active alliances into one very active and one not-so active was a reasonably good idea. I won't argue against that.

I just think it was wrong for the change over to be rushed so much that not everyone in the 2 alliances involved knew what was going on - which, in all fairness to Dax, wasn't the initial plan.

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

[Alvestein]

wait wait wait wait WAIT!
are you guys trying to say you think the round is over after 12 days?!

[Davs]

wait wait wait wait WAIT!
are you guys trying to say you think the round is over after 12 days?!

funny, isn't it? :P

[Dark_Angel]

I think what is clear from the alliance rankings page, now, is that from a strategic point of view the merge was a good idea.

The merged alliance has over 40k more land than the previous alliances - and is doing a fairly good job of keeping that out of the hands of OP - who've been largely unsuccessful in taking land from C.U.N.T - as is evident from the fact that we're growing at a reasonably healthy rate.

Albeit morally splitting two alliances down the middle wasn't ideal - But it was decided there was a clear divide between ftw and ftf players in each alliance - and that wasn't helping the overall progress of each alliance.

[Twigley]

DA nobody cares.
Really.

You guys aint gonna resist and its purely for your own rankings.
Just man up and admit it.

[Elevnos]

I for one, am still annoyed with this, I was in Finale and can tell you what happened exactly :P

On IRC I just looked at #bushtarion and Twigley had just said: All the alliances are losing members, C.U.N.T just lost a few and 5 are gone from Finale, I looked at alliance page and sure enough, we had lost 5 members, I asked on IRC and Bruce said 'We decided to merge the 5 most *useful* players with Silence's alliance'. This is when people started getting annoyed, I was banned from the chat room :P
The stupid thing was we were left with no knowledge of what had happened then we find that the leader has abandoned us with 4 more players. We're left there knowing we'll get raped soon and so Wacky and I made reQUITal, which I have now left over a permissions row.

The point is Wacky and I were both putting in over 8 hours every day and along with Jamie were the only ones that actually defended at the start of the round. At the very start we only had 8 members on first tick which wasn't too good. The most annoying thing though was that Bruce was offline and was much less active than a lot of people in the alliance through to the time of the switch.
Iamsmart I agree with your logic of 40 is definately more than 20.

[Dark_Angel]

DA nobody cares.
Really.

You guys aint gonna resist and its purely for your own rankings.
Just man up and admit it.

Then why are you reading this thread, Twigley?

there've been 59 responses to this thread, most of them critical of the decision - So I'ma go ahead and say people do seem to care - Even those not in any way involved :/

And I genuinely don't care about rankings - it makes no odds to me if I finish last. This was done to try and avoid at all costs a boring, stale round wherein the alliance rankings are the same at the end of the round as they are after 4 days.

This was always about upping the chances of a prospective resistance - Something I'm keen will still happen given there's a surprising amount of enthusiasm from the top 5 to work together. So we'll see.

-

[Twigley]

Nobody cares about you trying to justify it over and over again.
People think you are CUN T's for doing it, just deal with it.

And LOL @ thinking you will do a resistance.
Yeah right you gonna organise it?
Your the only ally that actually has any kind of motivation or idea of how to send on a resistance and even you guys are just stalling.

If i see a resistance happening ill take it all back but as it stands its just complete BS.

[Dark_Angel]

a) I've posted a total of twice in this thread, I hardly think that counts as "over and over again". And I'll provide all the reasoning I want, thank you, this is a forum - Discussions n stuff take place. Don't like? Don't read.

and

b) Yes - there will be a resistance attempt. It may work, it may fall flat on its face - The latter being far more likely if the average player these days has half your cynical attitude :/

[Twigley]

A) By "you" i mean CUN T. Also i like how im not aloud to tell you nobody cares and that you really should stop posting and give my opinion but if i don't like it i shouldn't read it. Hypocritical? Yes. If you don't like what im saying, "don't read it".

B) I've already asked people to hurry up and get their ass in gear trying to create something and i am a SOLO. Same response everytime, including a very similar response from the Ex (Or is he the leader still?) leader of your alliance. This is why i am so cynical. You are saying there will be resistance, and that you ruined peoples rounds so that there could be a resistance, yet in private there are people asking and no action being taken.

What exactly *ARE* you waiting for?

They seem to have barely any troops to me and they have barely any land + barely any targets. Their lowest people are inactive and they prolly have a fair few that are UC.
And i wouldn't say they would be able to handle constant inc on every member for too long either.

If they get even a mediocore resistance on them, they are easy to take down. They probally know this too and are laughing at how much of an easy ride they are having.

[TaO]

The merged alliance has over 40k more land than the previous alliances

Correct me if i´m wrong..

Finale had 70k land mayb more? on the day you guys did this thingy..
CUN T had 80k land mayb more?

CUN T land - 110,000

How is 110,000 land more then 150,000 land?

If i'm wrong just tell me..

[Shadowbane]

This was always about upping the chances of a prospective resistance

-

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.



/win ?

[Dark_Angel]

This was always about upping the chances of a prospective resistance

-

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.



/win ?


I'm not allowed to explain reasoning any further. For further details please contact Twigley.

[Cheese]

This was always about upping the chances of a prospective resistance

-

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.



/win ?


I'm not allowed to explain reasoning any further. For further details please contact Twigley.

In other words DA has nothing he can say to this...

[Davs]

This was always about upping the chances of a prospective resistance

-

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.



/win ?


I'm not allowed to explain reasoning any further. For further details please contact Twigley.

In other words DA has nothing he can say to this...

Nah, it's just that Twigley has full control over DA's words now. And Twigley does not want DA to speak. :P

[Alcibiades]

And Twigley does not want DA to speak. :P

Twigley isn't the only one ;)

[Davs]

And Twigley does not want DA to speak. :P

Twigley isn't the only one ;)

/win ?

[Silence]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

[Dark_Angel]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

qft. [/thread]

[Twigley]

This was always about upping the chances of a prospective resistance

-

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.



/win ?


I'm not allowed to explain reasoning any further. For further details please contact Twigley.

In other words DA has nothing he can say to this...

;)

[Changer]

This was always about upping the chances of a prospective resistance

-

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.



/win ?


I'm not allowed to explain reasoning any further. For further details please contact Twigley.

In other words DA has nothing he can say to this...

;)

In other words Twigley loves Cheese

[Twigley]

This was always about upping the chances of a prospective resistance

-

Btw, 40 players in a resistance is more useful than 20 players.



/win ?


I'm not allowed to explain reasoning any further. For further details please contact Twigley.

In other words DA has nothing he can say to this...

;)

In other words Twigley loves Cheese

OR, i agree with him.
kthnxbai.

[Cheese]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

lol
Why when it was me and Twigley that did something simular it's everyones business but when it's to do with Silence it's only his business? I'm confused.
You sure you aint called Henry VIII silence? Do as I say, not as I do.

[Twigley]

Also im pretty sure what happens at the top of the rankings effects us just as much as you, considering we are both top 20.

[Silence]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

lol
Why when it was me and Twigley that did something simular it's everyones business but when it's to do with Silence it's only his business? I'm confused.
You sure you aint called Henry VIII silence? Do as I say, not as I do.


Yeah because I was really harsh to you and twigley when you did it.

I took the stance that individuals should play out *THEIR* round in a manner which suits them.

But no, once again, people would much rather hate each other.

[Cheese]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

lol
Why when it was me and Twigley that did something simular it's everyones business but when it's to do with Silence it's only his business? I'm confused.
You sure you aint called Henry VIII silence? Do as I say, not as I do.


Yeah because I was really harsh to you and twigley when you did it.

I took the stance that individuals should play out *THEIR* round in a manner which suits them.

But no, once again, people would much rather hate each other.

I never said it was just you complaining. It was the majourity of the forum active playerbase that had something to say about it.

All I'm saying is doing something like that draws attention to you and obviously people will voice their opinions on the matter, just because these people aint in your alliance or leaders does not mean they cannot voice their opinion on the matter.
And the thread was created by DaX not you Silence so telling people to stay out is kind of stupid, and either making DaX or yourself look very stupid.

[Davs]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

lol
Why when it was me and Twigley that did something simular it's everyones business but when it's to do with Silence it's only his business? I'm confused.
You sure you aint called Henry VIII silence? Do as I say, not as I do.


Yeah because I was really harsh to you and twigley when you did it.

I took the stance that individuals should play out *THEIR* round in a manner which suits them.

But no, once again, people would much rather hate each other.

I never said it was just you complaining. It was the majourity of the forum active playerbase that had something to say about it.

All I'm saying is doing something like that draws attention to you and obviously people will voice their opinions on the matter, just because these people aint in your alliance or leaders does not mean they cannot voice their opinion on the matter.
And the thread was created by DaX not you Silence so telling people to stay out is kind of stupid, and either making DaX or yourself look very stupid.

I don't think any part of this thread has made DaX look stupid at all - just unfortunate.

[Silence]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

lol
Why when it was me and Twigley that did something simular it's everyones business but when it's to do with Silence it's only his business? I'm confused.
You sure you aint called Henry VIII silence? Do as I say, not as I do.


Yeah because I was really harsh to you and twigley when you did it.

I took the stance that individuals should play out *THEIR* round in a manner which suits them.

But no, once again, people would much rather hate each other.

I never said it was just you complaining. It was the majourity of the forum active playerbase that had something to say about it.

All I'm saying is doing something like that draws attention to you and obviously people will voice their opinions on the matter, just because these people aint in your alliance or leaders does not mean they cannot voice their opinion on the matter.
And the thread was created by DaX not you Silence so telling people to stay out is kind of stupid, and either making DaX or yourself look very stupid.

I was irritated that the post was made because to those whom it does not concern should not have an opinion. Especially when it is one which is "ZOMG I THINK WHAT YOU DID WAS SO BAD, ZOMG I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, NEVER IN A GAME EVER" as that is only as far as the reasoning goes. Those who do not fully know what is going on fill the gaps with whatever they please to ensure they are as irritated as possible ready to spread the hate.

These matters should be worked out in a private message. These public threads of petty arguments are not fun; they are not interesting and are certainly not clever. We as a community should avoid them more, as it does nothing helpful but raise tensions, and with such a small player base being able to work together is something which we all should be able to work towards.

Individuals should go about playing a game as they so wish. Jeez it is a war game after all.


I hope this thread dies soon as nothing productive has come from it. DaX felt it was necessary to apologise, so he did. Fine. If anyone wants to chat about it more it should be moved to private message as this really isn't helping anyone.

[Mattheus]

Are these endless quote chains really necessary? ¬¬

[TaO]

Are these endless quote chains really necessary? ¬¬

yes

[Dark_Angel]

Thread moved to Politics: seems a more appropriate place now.

[Dax]

I hope this thread dies soon as nothing productive has come from it. DaX felt it was necessary to apologise, so he did. Fine. If anyone wants to chat about it more it should be moved to private message as this really isn't helping anyone.

And on that note; Lock please. I'm fed up of this thread swaying away from my reasons for making it in the first place. Again, to anyone who was let down by the transition that I co-led over; I am truely sorry.

[IceOfFire]

are these endless quote chains really necessary? ¬¬

yes

always!

[IceOfFire]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

lol
Why when it was me and Twigley that did something simular it's everyones business but when it's to do with Silence it's only his business? I'm confused.
You sure you aint called Henry VIII silence? Do as I say, not as I do.


Yeah because I was really harsh to you and twigley when you did it.

I took the stance that individuals should play out *THEIR* round in a manner which suits them.

But no, once again, people would much rather hate each other.

I never said it was just you complaining. It was the majourity of the forum active playerbase that had something to say about it.

All I'm saying is doing something like that draws attention to you and obviously people will voice their opinions on the matter, just because these people aint in your alliance or leaders does not mean they cannot voice their opinion on the matter.
And the thread was created by DaX not you Silence so telling people to stay out is kind of stupid, and either making DaX or yourself look very stupid.

I don't think any part of this thread has made DaX look stupid at all - just unfortunate.

Whilst it has made you look like a fu*king genius

[TaO]

are these endless quote chains really necessary? ¬¬

yes

always!

What else you think the "qoute" button is for?

[Ahead]

But hey, **** happens - can we get on with the round now?

Most reasoned statement Ive read in a long time now!


Too many people caring about something which doesn't concern them. Just get on with it and enjoy playing the game!

lol
Why when it was me and Twigley that did something simular it's everyones business but when it's to do with Silence it's only his business? I'm confused.
You sure you aint called Henry VIII silence? Do as I say, not as I do.


Yeah because I was really harsh to you and twigley when you did it.

I took the stance that individuals should play out *THEIR* round in a manner which suits them.

But no, once again, people would much rather hate each other.

I never said it was just you complaining. It was the majourity of the forum active playerbase that had something to say about it.

All I'm saying is doing something like that draws attention to you and obviously people will voice their opinions on the matter, just because these people aint in your alliance or leaders does not mean they cannot voice their opinion on the matter.
And the thread was created by DaX not you Silence so telling people to stay out is kind of stupid, and either making DaX or yourself look very stupid.

I was irritated that the post was made because to those whom it does not concern should not have an opinion. Especially when it is one which is "ZOMG I THINK WHAT YOU DID WAS SO BAD, ZOMG I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, NEVER IN A GAME EVER" as that is only as far as the reasoning goes. Those who do not fully know what is going on fill the gaps with whatever they please to ensure they are as irritated as possible ready to spread the hate.

These matters should be worked out in a private message. These public threads of petty arguments are not fun; they are not interesting and are certainly not clever. We as a community should avoid them more, as it does nothing helpful but raise tensions, and with such a small player base being able to work together is something which we all should be able to work towards.

Individuals should go about playing a game as they so wish. Jeez it is a war game after all.


I hope this thread dies soon as nothing productive has come from it. DaX felt it was necessary to apologise, so he did. Fine. If anyone wants to chat about it more it should be moved to private message as this really isn't helping anyone.

I was I could anti-rep a post. This would deserve it.
This man is lying to save his own skin! Hypocrite!
I'll private message you.. just you wait. Then I'll stalk you. Proper stalking, mails every 5 mins, PMs on IRC, cameras outside your house. That's the most you deserve you stalker! Look at you stalking DaX by posting on this thread, you should be ashamed. You're not even the best stalker here, DA's already got that. SO YOU GET THE DA AWARD FOR NOT BEING THE BEST STALKER BUT TRYING AS HARD AS THE RANK 1 STALKER.

You're such a failure. I hope this thread lives on forever so we can all see how much you've changed, you "CantUseNiceTactics" (nasty man).

[Silence]

I was I could anti-rep a post. This would deserve it.
This man is lying to save his own skin! Hypocrite!
I'll private message you.. just you wait. Then I'll stalk you. Proper stalking, mails every 5 mins, PMs on IRC, cameras outside your house. That's the most you deserve you stalker! Look at you stalking DaX by posting on this thread, you should be ashamed. You're not even the best stalker here, DA's already got that. SO YOU GET THE DA AWARD FOR NOT BEING THE BEST STALKER BUT TRYING AS HARD AS THE RANK 1 STALKER.

You're such a failure. I hope this thread lives on forever so we can all see how much you've changed, you CUN.T!

Ill anti-rep your mother!

YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS THAT IOF FLAMES BETTER THAN YOU. Such a lossssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr. I think you have been ruined by your rubbish education at some useless university. *tuts*

Tbh you FINALLY are awarded the Darkangel award. For trying as hard as IoF to flame, but just NOT AS GOOD.

You are about as good at this as Tombi tbh. USELESS

[TaO]

These 2 post just made this post more of a "look at how sad I can be" thread..

[Bruce666]

TBH this has gone on long enough too those it did not concern i have two words for you

**** OFF!

[Dark_Angel]

At the request of the OP - and bearing in mind this thread has gone rapidly down hill (doesn't look like any meaninful/worthwhile discussion is on the horizon.) Locked.



Original Post:

Its no secret to what happened this afternoon, as Ive been told it has been well covered in #bush.
I dont want to delve into the act itself, if you are interested enough then you can go and find out.
To the point of my post though, this is a full apology to the ten players I left behind from Finale.
You were all helpful and worthy members to play alongside, and what has happened rather than improving the game by levelling the playing field vs rank 1, we have in fact given people one more reason NOT to play this game.
This was never my intention, I agreed to a planned and well notified switch of players between two alliances for a long lasting benefit. What has happened is I may of been part of a decision that has caused the disheartening of TWENTY few and far between players to the point of dropping this game.
I know two of these people as real life friends, and they are both gutted and disappointed that I allowed this to happen, and went along with it.
I feel I have discredited myself and damaged a game I thoroughly enjoy playing.
So again, my most solemn apologies to those 20 players for being a part of allowing this to happen. I am leaving my position in **** as a result. It was never about glory.