Asphyxia disband

[tobapopalos]

An interesting development!

Are they sick of getting rushed? Are they reforming under a different name? Have they quit the game to devote their lives to a higher purpose? Has Twigley been hypnotised into dissolving the alliance by one of his competitors?

Place your bets now!

[edit by DA] Posts moved from "All I have to say is" (http://bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3716) to this one to avoid confusion/better organise discussion

[Dark_Angel]

A lot of people decided the round was stale and going nowhere, myself included, and hit delete. I havent spoke to Twigley but I imagine he picked up on this attitude and disbanded everyone as a result.

3 ftw alliances per round isn't enough to keep this game going. The monotonous smeg of one alliance being rank 1, ranks 2 and 3 removing it, the new rank 1 being hit by the new rank 2 and 3, is an uneventful and boring affair that I personally find quite tedious.

If the playerbase remains this size/dwindles further ftw gameplay is going to go completely out the window - A, because 3 alliances is nowhere near enough competition and B, because the amount of effort required to play FTW isnt going to be worth finishing rank 1 when all that achievement will mean is that you managed to fend off the incredible wrath of, wait for it, two other ftw alliances.

[cb1202]

A lot of people decided the round was stale and going nowhere, myself included, and hit delete. I havent spoke to Twigley but I imagine he picked up on this attitude and disbanded everyone as a result.

3 ftw alliances per round isn't enough to keep this game going. The monotonous smeg of one alliance being rank 1, ranks 2 and 3 removing it, the new rank 1 being hit by the new rank 2 and 3, is an uneventful and boring affair that I personally find quite tedious.

If the playerbase remains this size/dwindles further ftw gameplay is going to go completely out the window - A, because 3 alliances is nowhere near enough competition and B, because the amount of effort required to play FTW isnt going to be worth finishing rank 1 when all that achievement will mean is that you managed to fend off the incredible wrath of, wait for it, two other ftw alliances.


I was looking forward to having 2 alliances *try* to take us down.

[Twigley]

A lot of people decided the round was stale and going nowhere, myself included, and hit delete.

Unfortunately, my alliance core wanted to quit because they where not having fun, so alliance = gone.

I guess ill write some **** on it later, however someone has stolen my xbox 360 just before i was about to buy new cod so the police would rather speak to me now.

:(

[Polo]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

[tobapopalos]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

Totally agreed. Tiring, but interesting :P

[moorer]

Maybe its time for people to step back and consider the way they play this game.

The number of truly active players is dwindling with every round, yet still many of them form their ftw allies every round with their other "active" friends and then wonder why there is so little competition for them.

Maybe its time they consider splitting into smaller groups and filling the spaces created with less active members.

Maybe its time to consider random alliance allocation. Say everyone starts solo at the round start and then after a given time are allocated to an alliance at random.

There are drawbacks to both suggestions I know. People want to play with their friends, some do not want to play allied, but the game is slowly stagnating and shedding players round by round and the simple fact is something needs to be done!!.

Maybe its time to ask ourselves "Do I want to carry on playing the same way with my active friends in a game rapidly becoming boring or do I want to try something new and hope it rejuvenates the game"

The answer lies with us as players not in the game mechanics.

[Iamsmart]

Fyi, after disbanding the last chance for GC's competition, Twigley joined GC.

GG.

Edit: Along with giving only GC warning of what he was doing, not even warning his own members.

[Polo]

Edit: Along with giving only GC warning of what he was doing, not even warning his own members.

Not everyone in GC knew or agree with what happened... :(

[Iamsmart]

I wasn't blaming all of you, I apologize if you took it that way.

[Shadowbane]

If I may add an interesting fact to Iamsmart's post.. Twigley's done that twice in a row now.. GG

[tobapopalos]

Maybe its time for people to step back and consider the way they play this game.

The number of truly active players is dwindling with every round, yet still many of them form their ftw allies every round with their other "active" friends and then wonder why there is so little competition for them.

Maybe its time they consider splitting into smaller groups and filling the spaces created with less active members.

Maybe its time to consider random alliance allocation. Say everyone starts solo at the round start and then after a given time are allocated to an alliance at random.

There are drawbacks to both suggestions I know. People want to play with their friends, some do not want to play allied, but the game is slowly stagnating and shedding players round by round and the simple fact is something needs to be done!!.

Maybe its time to ask ourselves "Do I want to carry on playing the same way with my active friends in a game rapidly becoming boring or do I want to try something new and hope it rejuvenates the game"

The answer lies with us as players not in the game mechanics.

If that happened I'm pretty sure a lot of people would just stop playing. I wouldn't want to play properly if I was forced to join an alliance with people I didn't know or didn't like. I think there's a high probability of the game shedding even more members by following your plan.

Top alliances are always going to want to recruit the best players they can. It's just common sense. Why should they deliberately sabotage their chances of doing well by recruiting unknown randomers, who could very easily be spies? Or they could be inactive, or selfish, or just generally retarded.

[moorer]

So what do you suggest?

Something has to be done for to sit and do nothing is the way to the death of bushtarion surely?

[tobapopalos]

I don't think any changes in-game can really increase the playerbase. Things need to be done outside the game to draw people in, rather than changing things in-game to try and stop people from leaving.

These could be:

Advertising (Azzer said some time last year this would happen. Unsurprisingly it hasn't).
iPod app
Maybe some kind of facebook app?
Voting site

[Dark_Angel]

Fyi, after disbanding the last chance for GC's competition, Twigley joined GC.

GG.

Edit: Along with giving only GC warning of what he was doing, not even warning his own members.

I weren't aware of this.

[20:12] <DA> Iamsmart, just to get this straight - Twigley disbanded Asph, joined GC, then GC and twigs raped ex-Asph guys?
[20:12] <saintconnor> NBD
[20:12] <prot|cartoons> :S
[20:12] <saintconnor> natural born deleter
[20:12] <SuperSneker> DA, yeah
[20:12] <DA> Im not really bothered, I was in delete anyway, but there were guys who wanted to play on :s
[20:12] <DA> Man, talk about backstabbing :s
[20:12] <Iamsmart> Yes DA
[20:12] <Iamsmart> He did.
[20:12] <Iamsmart> He personally stole land from me.

-

There were guys in there that were still keen on the round, not many, but jesus, thats harsh :/

[SuperSneker]

Most guys don't know me, since I quit playing 12 rounds ago. However, I decided to return last August in order to hang around a little bit. First thing that surprised me, was that hardly anyone was playing the game anymore. I was wondering why.

This round I joined Twigley and his alliance and the first 10 days went pretty smooth. However, when NOMW and GC hit us, things went downwards. People weren't motivated anymore and did not get on when pranked. When NOMW started stealth rushing us, only a few, including Twigley, were trying to stop it. I pranked loads of people and I tried my best till the bitter end. However, there were more players who tried everything till the end, but it was clear that this alliance was not going to make it till the end of the round. Therefore, Twigley already told me this morning he was approached to join GC. I myself can understand that he wanted to achieve something and he worked hard enough to deserve a place in a top alliance.

However, even though I knew he probably was going to disband the alliance, I did expect him to be as friendly to inform the alliance beforehand, so we could all be prepared. But no. He just disbanded. I was sitting in the train and did not know anything about it: a backstab to those members who put a lot of time and effort in the alliance. Oh well. I***8217;m not angry; just disappointed.

[Twigley]

I put on the politics in big bold writing that i was disbanding the alliance in 24 hours and if anyone wanted to talk to me about it, they could pm me.
18 people replied with "Ok". I was the 19th and one other person didnt bother to reply.

I will write what ACTUALLY happened later on tonight to put it into context for some of you.

[Dark_Angel]

I put on the politics in big bold writing that i was disbanding the alliance in 24 hours and if anyone wanted to talk to me about it, they could pm me.
18 people replied with "Ok". I was the 19th and one other person didnt bother to reply.

I will write what ACTUALLY happened later on tonight to put it into context for some of you.

lol Twigley, that is the lamest excuse ever. I'm speaking on behalf of the guys you screwed over here, as I said I was deleting anyway, but you definitely did not say that if things didnt change you'd join GC, disband the alliance, then proceed to attack us with your new bestest friends over at GC.

I respect you as a player mate but with what you've just done today you're going to go down as one of the biggest score queens in bush history : disbanding your alliance, joining another and raping your old alliance with your new one.

[facepalm]

[Iamsmart]

Bullshit and you know it. That justs sets in stone that you know what you did was wrong and you can't defend it.

That was a post telling people they needed to start editing titles and be contactable and in general quit making mistakes. Every time the alliance was under pressure you freaked out and threatened anybody who made a mistake you would kick/rape them if they did it again. I thought you were a veteran leader but you obviously don't know how to instill confidence or keep morale up.

Back to the thread, you started the post with that as a threat, another one a veteran leader shouldn't make.

[Minnzy]

It wasn't just Twigs but all of Asph that helped GC end up where it is now, I will follow my leaders commands to the letter but I still feel guilty doing what I have done now :(

If I was told "Oh they're being dumped and we're attacking those who still wish to play" I may have missed out on land but I probably wouldn't have attacked... Let's ignore that I am still currently attacking an ex member though...

[erik]

oh snap IaS got you there. I am hurt Twigs. I don't care you screwed us all over I am upset you did not invite me to help you screw us over. Not cool. But I have to agree with IaS you may have made a small threat in that post but the majority of it was just telling people to pull it together.

[Iamsmart]

<@DA> Iamsmart
<@DA> Twigleys xbox got stole today
<@DA> Karma?
<@DA> I think so

^ That.

[Twigley]

No, i told you all i would disband the alliance in 24 hours if things didnt improve and i meant it. I'd already tried the nice guy approach but when you have half of the people wanting to war and play ftw and half of the people Unconactable and not wanting to play, i had to make a decision to carry on or quit.

When i got pms saying deleteing was on the cards, when i found out 2 members had already been talking to other alliances about joining, and when i found out people didnt wanna play ftw anymore after speaking to them, i disbanded the alliance like i said i would.

And DA, you have no place to comment when you are one of the people in the alliance who did bugger all, deleted before hand and pissed us all off anyway with your general inactivity and UC. I did say i would disband the alliance, i didnt attack "with GC", because GC and NOMW both twigged. The people who wanted to play on, i already talked to 5 of them and told them solo options and ideas.

Infact it wasnt even me who put up a thread after from the Uncontactability in the mornign saying "**** this" and then people said they cba playing anymore. That was the final straw.

I know alot of you expected to be asswiped every 5 mins and pranked on but you were warned multiple times and i made a warning 24 hours ago that it would disband, and we disbanded.

If ANY of you knew the pressure of leading, or the decisions needed to be made, i would take your comments on board, but so far its been people blowing alot of hot air and only partial facts. If you knew how bad i feel about not being able to make it possible for the people who where trying to win the round, you would realise.

Hell my own members know how much effort i put in this round, organising EVERYTHING (bar sneker who helped out defence in past few days). This kind of stress is too much.

At the end of the day, read the mass mail i sent you 24 hours after i said id disband.
Half the alliance players lied about going ftw, i've put so much effort and feel so bad about having to disband it, but ive given multiple warnings all round and gave the final one yesterday.

Anyway, continue venting i've explained why it was done and the only thing i could of prolly done better is pranked everyone on before i did it - well the ones that are contactable.

And dont bring GC into it, they done bugger all wrong and was offered it before i was gonna quit.


Edit: As for the x-box comments, i think merging RL wih this bloody game is taking it a bit too far.
Edit Edit: Read snekers post. He was the only other person who every had the hassle of organising and he wanted to quit after 2/3 days of just organising in the mornings with stealth. I had a whole round of it.

[erik]

this is fun. I love all you guys :)

[Iamsmart]

You know damn well the way you went about it was greedy, selfish, and in general morally wrong. Everybody knows that, and you can't argue against it.

Keep in mind the alliance was first proposed as a fun solo group. Not a "ftw" alliance. I only joined because JJ asked me if I wanted to join his solo group and then I got sucked in to the alliance because I had already committed.

Also the 'pressures of leading' suck. I know that. But that didn't give you the right to do this.

Edit:

"Edit: As for the x-box comments, i think merging RL wih this bloody game is taking it a bit too far. "

I apologize if you think I meant I was happy about you getting your xbox stolen, I just thought it was a funny coincidence that DA rightfully pointed out. Nothing more.

[Hobbezak]

Yo twigley, I'm real happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but I had one of the bestest backstab topics of all time. :D

PS: This post was approved by the Lanky Commity for Forum Funnyness.

[tobapopalos]

Couldn't you have just left the alliance if you felt like they weren't pulling their weight, Twigley?

Don't really understand why you had to disband rather than letting them play on without you.

[SuperSneker]

Edit Edit: Read snekers post. He was the only other person who every had the hassle of organising and he wanted to quit after 2/3 days of just organising in the mornings with stealth. I had a whole round of it.

I didn't care about the organizing. I was fed up with people not getting on when pranked. Besides, as I already said: I don't care about you disbanding the alliance. I do care about not warning us about a time, while taking the opportunity to landrape your own members.

[Zaheen]

You all need to give the guy a break, as much as I don't agree with the way he went about it, I do agree with what he did (well to an extent).

The alliance would have fallen apart without him anyway, activity and moral has been very low which is why I didn't rejoin the alliance (that and my own activity has run out of steam) as it does every round after the first week.

I don't know where all this "FTW" bollox has come from, I joined the alliance because I was invited, "You fancy idling in bush this round?" was the question I was asked, and I took up the offer.

Anyway, I wish you all the best - I will probably delete myself in a few days/weeks if I get too bored, stunts like this will just drive the player base away.

[Iamsmart]

Oh, and just in case you think the opposite: I and probably nobody else thinks you played poorly this round. You did a great job organizing for us and put a lot of effort in. But some of us including myself helped organize defense when you were out when we were getting massed by NOMW.

I won't thank you for it though for obvious reasons.

Off to the library, don't have too much fun without me ladies.

[Dark_Angel]

Couldn't you have just left the alliance if you felt like they weren't pulling their weight, Twigley?

Don't really understand why you had to disband rather than letting them play on without you.

1) QFT

2) Probably because this way he got himself, and indeed his new GC members, a nice bit of land from ex-Asph members

-

The truth of the matter is that you could well have left the alliance in the hands of someone else, Asph had plenty of capable players who could have handled that responsibility. Instead you chose to disband and immediately attack, with your new GC buds, the disbanded Asph members, many of whom were offline and were raped to the ground.

I know better than most how much effort you put into Asph Twigs, defence and attack wise, but this has tainted that massively mate.

As for

And DA, you have no place to comment when you are one of the people in the alliance who did bugger all,I was the first person to tech CW and had 8m of em' before we had to hit sleep. (More than anyone else in W1 at the time) I was also rank 3 for land at that point, and one of the most dangerous defenders, so don't give me that "you do nothing" crap because I put in the effort. The only reason I was far less useful after we hit sleep was because we had nothing to defend the anti-armour rushes coming in and albeit yes, I could not get myself online every single time I got one of those rushes. I wouldn't have needed to if we had something to counter the anti-armour threat, but because we didnt I was left with either get on or die, the latter finding me eventually.[/off topic]

[edit] Was joking about the xbox, bad times.

[Tombi]

Well Twigley I know the Alliance wasn't going the way you wanted, I didn't mind that you dispanded but when you hit people that you knew werent online and joined GC, thats just a tad too far imo :P

[CrimsonFury88]

This game really needs a weekly/bi-weekly 1-page magazine style report to be written. This weeks headline:

"Twigley in backstab shocker"

[tobapopalos]

This game really needs a weekly/bi-weekly 1-page magazine style report to be written. This weeks headline:

"Twigley in backstab shocker"

Yeah, but that headline would get a bit boring after the nth time :P

[CrimsonFury88]

This game really needs a weekly/bi-weekly 1-page magazine style report to be written. This weeks headline:

"Twigley in backstab shocker"

Yeah, but that headline would get a bit boring after the nth time :P

So very true XD

Can any of the Asphyxia clan confirm what their re-form stands for?

Chronic. Losers. In. Transition?

[Davis]

http://bushtarion.com/user_pics/aa_1_1_2ce64d4cc3f590a8eb30fc3b60d3d199.jpg

Edit:
Lets check the boards for "CLIT is Asph" and the survey says.......
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looks like you're by yourself on that one crimson

[Cheese]

I would like to thank Iamsmart *yeah right* for the land I have been waiting to take that off your farming arse since about round start.

Thank you :)

[Iamsmart]

Off topic much?

[CrimsonFury88]

http://bushtarion.com/user_pics/aa_1_1_2ce64d4cc3f590a8eb30fc3b60d3d199.jpg

Edit:
Lets check the boards for "CLIT is Asph" and the survey says.......
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looks like you're by yourself on that one crimson

Because I have nothing better to do than read every thread on the forums to keep up with the activity of an epic-fail FTW alliance.

Clearly.

[Davis]

You seem to post in almost every thread on the forums, and seeing that pic has nothing to do with reading the forums, you obviously saw the alliance so why not click on it and see the pic..

And if you didnt know, why post? Not Thinking or Researching before you post is the #1 way to make a fool of yourself
#2 being if you're just an idiot :P

[Amanala]

For anyone in the alliance who didn't see it coming: Wake the **** up.

[CrimsonFury88]

You seem to post in almost every thread on the forums, and seeing that pic has nothing to do with reading the forums, you obviously saw the alliance so why not click on it and see the pic..

And if you didnt know, why post? Not Thinking or Researching before you post is the #1 way to make a fool of yourself
#2 being if you're just an idiot :P

Then perhaps taking a little of your own advice would put you in good stead.

"Almost every thread on the forums", get a grip.

If exaggaration was score-queenism, you'd be a ringer for Twigley.

[Alcibiades]

Well i've always said twigley was a pathetic player, and this proves me correct.

Horrible leader, horrible player. For shame sir, you should know better.

[Amanala]

Well i've always said twigley was a pathetic player, and this proves me correct.

Horrible leader, horrible player. For shame sir, you should know better.

That's horse ****. Twigley is none of those.

[Zaheen]

And DA, you have no place to comment when you are one of the people in the alliance who did bugger allI was the first person to tech CW and had 8m of em' before we had to hit sleep. (More than anyone else in W1 at the time) I was also rank 3 for land at that point, and one of the most dangerous defenders, so don't give me that "you do nothing" crap because I put in the effort. The only reason I was far less useful after we hit sleep was because we had nothing to defend the anti-armour rushes coming in and albeit yes, I could not get myself online every single time I got one of those rushes. I wouldn't have needed to if we had something to counter the anti-armour threat, but because we didnt I was left with either get on or die, the latter finding me eventually.[/off topic]

Yeah but come on, what did you do before you got CW...?

And the only reason you had that land was because you got special treatment on attacks due to the fact you had started CW (I wasn't allowed to), and you did have uber flak to help you...you didn't do much until you got CW (saying that, you physically couldn't have done anything anyway).

So it's not fair for Twigley to say that to you =]

Well i've always said twigley was a pathetic player, and this proves me correct.

Horrible leader, horrible player. For shame sir, you should know better.

That's horse ****. Twigley is none of those.
Haha, Twigley is a decent player...it just so happens he's a dirty one =p

[Iamsmart]

I have to agree with Amanala. Twigley is a very good player.

Not that you even have any room to speak as to morally wrong actions Alci.

Sorry homeslice.

[Changer]

Stop complaining guys! It was clearly my birthday present!

[Iamsmart]

On a more important note Changer/Amanala, make sure Marvinder gets this very important note:

Lee says:
Green sweets are like ginger people
Lee says:
No one ever likes the green ones
Lee says:
But they are always there

You too DA. MAKE SURE HE GETS IT.

[Dark_Angel]

Well i've always said twigley was a pathetic player, and this proves me correct.

Horrible leader, horrible player. For shame sir, you should know better.

Twigley is one of the best players in the game. I disagree entirely with his decision not to leave Asph in the hands of another player, that indeed was a bad leadership decision, but that doesn't mean he can't play the game.

Yeah but come on, what did you do before you got CW...?

And the only reason you had that land was because you got special treatment on attacks due to the fact you had started CW (I wasn't allowed to), and you did have uber flak to help you...you didn't do much until you got CW (saying that, you physically couldn't have done anything anyway).

As I think you mentioned later in your post, there isnt a great deal I could do with CGs to defend :P

I remember no such special treatment :s I flakked very well at the beginning despite not wasting masses of funds on flak, instead spending it on CWs. My point was that by D-day (Thursday iirc) I was probably one of the, if not the most, prepared member for the inc we got. Everyone else seemed to have mass PB/Ninja/Shocks to deal with everything that came in. Not that it matters a great deal, we could all have been tech'd fully, the incoming from two alliances was too overwhelming.

[Zaheen]

pinpower why did you edit my post on the previous page? =p

[Enrico]

Edit:
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looks like you're by yourself on that one crimson

Because I have nothing better to do than read every thread on the forums to keep up with the activity of an epic-fail FTW alliance.

Clearly.

****'s sake, don't pull Epic Fail into this mess! We will return when we feel like it, mkay? ;)

[saintconnor]

im pretty sure i checked myself for being ex-asphyxia and was tested negative,

so how can yu call my ally ex-asphyxia???

i let in anyone thh, except from joe2727 :P

[Davis]

why no joe? hes basically the best player ever :(

[saintconnor]

why no joe? hes basically the best player ever :(

no idea really, i play on feeling, and i love him really, but he doesnt feel right(i so expect gay remarks on this one)

[Davis]

(i so expect gay remarks on this one)

wow only a true gay would say
"I SOOOOO <<insert something to finish sentence here>> fruit.

[Bahnsen]

I find it funny how people are shocked that Twigley did this? I also find it funny how people are quite happy the following round to join him while he leads or let him into their alliance.

Maybe time to learn from past mistakes?

[CrimsonFury88]

Edit:
Lets check the boards for "CLIT is Asph" and the survey says.......
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looks like you're by yourself on that one crimson

Because I have nothing better to do than read every thread on the forums to keep up with the activity of an epic-fail FTW alliance.

Clearly.

****'s sake, don't pull Epic Fail into this mess! We will return when we feel like it, mkay? ;)

XD

I was just amazed by the decision to tech troops quickly, mass on them, then not annihilate the nearby alliances with them :P

[Shadowbane]

Unfortunately, my alliance core wanted to quit because they where not having fun, so alliance = gone.



How can they have fun when you didn't want to fight your precious friends at GC?
You said it yourself that we could either keep it safe and let GC win or work with NOMW and pretty much let NOMW win because we'd have 30% chance of winning.. but it was quite obvious which one you had chosen and apparently playing it safe and letting GC win isn't exactly what people consider fun.


on a side note: I still consider Twigley a good player and a good leader and the facts support that, so please stfu Alci

[IceOfFire]

Pathetic...unbelievably pathetic!

But what do you expect!

To those left hanging, come PM me guys :D

[ZigZag]

This all seems familiar for some odd reason

[Twigley]

Maybe time to learn from past mistakes?

Considering the last two times i led, we won, the time befoe that was exitlude which came 2nd and 1st on eff?

[Shadowbane]

oh so now's the time to make mistakes ?

[Bahnsen]

Maybe time to learn from past mistakes?

Considering the last two times i led, we won, the time befoe that was exitlude which came 2nd and 1st on eff?

Sorry but TBA doesnt count.

Shipjump around! Jump jump jump jump jump jump jump! Jump up jump up and TWIGLEY DOWN!

Your time is coming sweetheart ;)

Sleep tight

[Twigley]

I have to agree with Amanala. Twigley is a very good player.

Not that you even have any room to speak as to morally wrong actions Alci.

Sorry homeslice.

Decent player maybe. Appalling leader? definitely.

I guess you need something to do through your day, so venting and moronic comments must be your way of dealing with things.

If you think i am, and always have been, an appalling leader then i suggest you take a look at history rather than the anger from a few members in Asp who have been awful this round and finally spit their dummy out when i actually carried out the threat.

If you actually look at what i have done in leading, you will see ive won 60% of the rounds i have led in, came 2nd in 20% and quit once due to health problems. A bad leadership record, really? I think you are confusing my general attitude of causing a stir with bad leadership. Look at any other leader in this game who has done well and won round. Blackwolf won a fair few rounds and people hated on him because he also likes to cause a stir but when you look at his record, you see he is succesful. I guess what comes with the ultimate victory is the abuse you get for beating others.

The only thing appauling is how people make their mind up based on stupid comments. You are a player that backstabs their alliance Alci, so anything you say about what you perceive is hypocritical, as Amanala or Iamsmart said. I see so much hypocrisy from others who have done **** through previous rounds. Just none of it gets highlighted unless its against certain individuals.

How about before you guys cast a stone, you try leading and lets see how succesful you are.
I only bloody led this round 8 hours after signups because i thought the game needed another person up there to make things interesting - like most rounds. Seems i shouldnt waste my time. I wanted a good round where i wouldnt be abused on forums, and all i had from day 8 or so was unprovoked person insults and the general attitude of "Oh god he is leading lets all direct our hate to him rather than just play the game how its meant to be played".

Who is leading next round ftw? 1 alliance? Put your money where your mouth is and lets any of you lead so then when it fails after you have put ample effort into it, i can laugh at you and tell everyone how rubish you are.

[Elderveld]

I have to agree with Amanala. Twigley is a very good player.

Not that you even have any room to speak as to morally wrong actions Alci.

Sorry homeslice.

Decent player maybe. Appalling leader? definitely.

i dont belive you have had twigley as a leader for long, mayb this 3 weeks?
Twigs is THE best leader i have played whit, and ive played under him (qoute for sex jokes here) many rounds... IF u dont play as he wants u to as an alliance, i can verry much understand his dissision.

[Alcibiades]

lol. I don't think i need to justify my opinion of your leadership skills. You may have won plenty of rounds, in my book i don't think 'just winning' makes you a good leader. Sorry to have wasted your time making you write such a long winded answer. Since you've quit (again) and abandoned your alliance (again) makes sense to me that you'd stop reading forums, but i guess we can't all be that lucky :(

If you don't want to be bashed and insulted, then stop abandoning your allies when you start to lose. ;)

[Twigley]

lol. I don't think i need to justify my opinion of your leadership skills. You may have won plenty of rounds, in my book i don't think 'just winning' makes you a good leader. Sorry to have wasted your time making you write such a long winded answer. Since you've quit (again) and abandoned your alliance (again) makes sense to me that you'd stop reading forums, but i guess we can't all be that lucky :(

If you don't want to be bashed and insulted, then stop abandoning your allies when you start to lose. ;)

This is one of those "I could justify it, but i just dont want to because i am too busy" answers that i laugh at all the time. Means you got bugger all to back your crap up with when confronted with real history. Try looking into every leadership decision i have made, why i left one of my alliances previously before after not sleeping more than 3 hours in 14 days and having to go hospital and gave ally to my >co-leader< Lukey and then quit for a while. Every alliance previously bar 1 i have took onto glory in one form or another and i think in everyone of those rounds? I was voted best leader by my members and opposition. Im sure you can use forum search bar to see.

Alci you are just a small fish, one of many who always rabble on and make judgements even though they have done nothing themselves.

It's easy to sit there and judge when you havnt done it before. Try keeping your snide comments to yourself rather than taking every opportunity to take a digg.

[Alcibiades]

I'm not too busy, it's just my opinion. I think you are a poor leader and just because you win doesn't make you a good one. It's my opinion and requires no further justification. I'm sorry you feel that way but there it is.

I've led before, and i'm well aware of how hard it is, and so i stay away from doing it because i'm not cut out for it. That doesn't put me in no position to make judgments on what i think a good leader is, or the qualities that make one.

And if you keep responding to me, it just makes me inclined to keep making snide comments, since they're so successful in getting a rise out of you ;) Start ignoring me, and maybe i'll get bored of it :(

[tobapopalos]

You've led two winning alliances, Twigley.

Interlude in round 25.
STN in round 31 (which won because of the RRR split, not because of any glorious leadership).

That does not add up to a 60% win rate.

[Twigley]

And if you keep responding to me, it just makes me inclined to keep making snide comments, since they're so successful in getting a rise out of you ;) Start ignoring me, and maybe i'll get bored of it :(

You started with the **** this round, Unprovoked.

If you are talking about you leading before, and mean taking over Dill's Desperados then take a look at this thread to what people thought of you, and people thought of me: http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1410&highlight=awards

(Btw this is really lame i have to post an awards thread, but you get the idea that the alliance + leadership was shocking, just wanted to point out the log in your own eye before the splinter in another and to show you some history rather than hearsay)

If you are talking about another round, i dont remember you leading and apologise.

[Godsend9701]

lol. I don't think i need to justify my opinion of your leadership skills. You may have won plenty of rounds, in my book i don't think 'just winning' makes you a good leader. Sorry to have wasted your time making you write such a long winded answer. Since you've quit (again) and abandoned your alliance (again) makes sense to me that you'd stop reading forums, but i guess we can't all be that lucky :(

If you don't want to be bashed and insulted, then stop abandoning your allies when you start to lose. ;)

man you make me sick, get a ****ing alliance together and prove him wrong, show him how a "good leader" should be, til than STFU.


PS:= i just finished reading all of this, and i agree that twigs is a good player, i also agree he made some bad decisions, but really all of you get over yourselves, its a war game, look out for number 1 should be your main priority.

[Cheese]

You've led two winning alliances, Twigley.

Interlude in round 25.
STN in round 31 (which won because of the RRR split, not because of any glorious leadership).

That does not add up to a 60% win rate.

TBA also classes as a win...
I'm sorry toby but why not matter what thread I read and see you posting do I see such a bitter reply? You never ever have anything good to say, is the world really that hard for you?

And regards to twigley being a bad leader what a load of bullshit.
I got offered a place in GC quite a bit of time before Asphyxia's disbandment, I declined it for one reason and one reason only, because of the amount of effort twigley had put into this round. Now alot of you know me and know my attitude towards most people in this game. There is very very few people I actually hold a bit of respect for in this game and Twigley is one of those lucky few. All of you commenting on his leadership skills don't know ****, I mean alci what have you ever provided to this game apart from bullshit on the forums? You are like a more miserable version of garrett.

Alci the world isn't out to get you so stop hating it so much, yes I understand you are canadian and hatred being in your blood but loosen up a bit maybe if you put the same effort into the game as your do posting on the forums you might make a half decent player, but until then your just another n00b with a phone.

[Shadowbane]

You've led two winning alliances, Twigley.

Interlude in round 25.
STN in round 31 (which won because of the RRR split, not because of any glorious leadership).

That does not add up to a 60% win rate.

50% then :p

From what I saw in history he's lead 4 times winning twice, finishing second once and a third place which in my opinion isn't a bad record

[Dax]

There were guys in there that were still keen on the round, not many, but jesus, thats harsh :/

Well tbh, we talk of things that are killing the community... There's a prime example of one person's actions that affect multiple player's will to continue playing? Or at least to play alongside Twigley again.

[CrimsonFury88]

Try looking into every leadership decision i have made, why i left one of my alliances previously before after not sleeping more than 3 hours in 14 days and having to go hospital and gave ally to my >co-leader< Lukey and then quit for a while.

Was the sleep thing down to illness? Or down to playing Bushtarion too much?

[tobapopalos]

You've led two winning alliances, Twigley.

Interlude in round 25.
STN in round 31 (which won because of the RRR split, not because of any glorious leadership).

That does not add up to a 60% win rate.

TBA also classes as a win...
I'm sorry toby but why not matter what thread I read and see you posting do I see such a bitter reply? You never ever have anything good to say, is the world really that hard for you?

Interesting. I'm not bitter about any of this. In fact I told Twigley in private that I didn't like the way our alliance were appearing in forum threads this round. The post you have so lovingly responded to was just pointing out that he hasn't won 60% of the rounds he has led. TBA doesn't count because his alliance finished 3rd.

I don't believe I commented on Twigley's playing ability or leadership skills. I think you read more into my post than was intended.

And I'd quite like you to point out any "bitter" posts I've made recently. For the most part I've kept any emotion out of my posts. Maybe you're confusing logical argument with bitterness? I don't know.

[Iamsmart]

You all are getting way off topic. We're bashing Twigley because of his current actions this round, nothing to do with his past leadership skills.

Get back to it folks.

:)

[Dax]

LOL. /Condone

[marvin]

On a more important note Changer/Amanala, make sure Marvinder gets this very important note:

Lee says:
Green sweets are like ginger people
Lee says:
No one ever likes the green ones
Lee says:
But they are always there

You too DA. MAKE SURE HE GETS IT.

FU. Green sweets rule.

Also, see my previous post in that other thread.

****ing cancer.

[Bahnsen]

lol. I don't think i need to justify my opinion of your leadership skills. You may have won plenty of rounds, in my book i don't think 'just winning' makes you a good leader. Sorry to have wasted your time making you write such a long winded answer. Since you've quit (again) and abandoned your alliance (again) makes sense to me that you'd stop reading forums, but i guess we can't all be that lucky :(

If you don't want to be bashed and insulted, then stop abandoning your allies when you start to lose. ;)

man you make me sick, get a ****ing alliance together and prove him wrong, show him how a "good leader" should be, til than STFU.


PS:= i just finished reading all of this, and i agree that twigs is a good player, i also agree he made some bad decisions, but really all of you get over yourselves, its a war game, look out for number 1 should be your main priority.

You abandon on alliance mates too so this is expected support. As a fellow Aussie I say FOR SHAME! FOOOOR SHAMMMEEE!


Cheese: TBA DOESNT COUNT! :roll:

What Alci says is 100% correct. Winning doesn't make you a good leader. Good leadership is toughening it out through the good and bad, not saying...you guys are hopeless, none of you seem to want to play, I am disbanding this alliance and joining the top!

A good leader needs to have the trust of his peers. Twigley, you have none.

[Twigley]

What Alci says is 100% correct. Winning doesn't make you a good leader. Good leadership is toughening it out through the good and bad, not saying...you guys are hopeless, none of you seem to want to play, I am disbanding this alliance and joining the top!


Congratualtions on taking it out of context and still being butt hurt.

A good leader needs to have the trust of his peers. Twigley, you have none.

Oh? Who is this exactly? A few people who are butthurt over me kicking them and others saying they were useless?
Again, you can have your opinion on what a leader is, however id press you to do it before you go around BSing.

[Iamsmart]

Past leadership experiences aside, disbanding the alliance with no warning (other than your new alliance) was wrong. If you can't see that, I guess I know you even less than I thought I did. I have a feeling you do, since the only real 'defense' of your action was a propogandaisque lie/spin taken completely out of context, which we had a good laugh in our new channel yesterday. I imagine I'll never get a confession or an apology though.

You had several other options, all of which would have allowed you to leave gracefully if you no longer wanted to lead. You could have handed off leadership to a number of people, or you could have just stepped down. I doubt many of us would have been so angry even if you wanted to leave to GC (though I imagine many would have still felt betrayed).

This thread has turned in to a bash Twigley-fest, which technically was its purpose. But not to judge him on his past leadership successes, or even how good of a player he is. Anybody who has played with him should know he's a great player. He can organize, and he knows his **** about Bushtarion. He's willing to put in time for his alliance, and isn't afraid to take losses for the greater good.

Sorry, felt like I should make a post getting the thread back on topic,, and even defend Twigley a little (not that I have a lot of general respect left for him).

[Abreu]

I was going to stay out of this but being a member of Asph, I must say all round Twigley has been a superb leader. Almost all ally attacks he organized and then he would take it upon himself to spy each individual target and make a call on it... he was doing this by himself. Maybe once or twice someone else would contribute. He also organized most of the defence again on his on with the occasional bit of help from someone else.
All in all Twigley is a fantastic leader and anyone who hasn't played under him should just stop paying out on him.


But on the other hand the way he disbanded Asph was as I saw it a very low act. Yes there was a post in pols saying that Twigs wanted us to all pick up our act or he was going to seriously think about disbanding the alliance. I at this point was inactive join to some very serious RL issues so I can't comment on what the attitude of the alliance was after that post was made... but with Twigs knowing my real life situation I would have expected a text or wait and give everyone a time that he was going to disband so that everyone could organize something else.

To Twigs: There is a saying I heard not to long ago;

You can do a million things right but if you f**k one goat, what is everyone going to remember you for....

[CrimsonFury88]

You can do a million things right but if you f**k one goat, what is everyone going to remember you for....

Twigley did WHAT to a goat? :crazyeyes: :roll:

Scandal.

[Tombi]

Why are people even posting and arguing, the vast majority of you were never in Asphyxia so i don't see what your getting pissed about, it wasnt the alliance that you were in so basically Stfu and stop flaming twigley

[Silence]

Why are people even posting and arguing, the vast majority of you were never in Asphyxia so i don't see what your getting pissed about, it wasnt the alliance that you were in so basically Stfu and stop flaming twigley

People complain because of the *effect* that Twigley disbanding his alliance has done to this round.
How could you not see this? Another brilliant remark by Tombi! (Although I can explain further if you don't quite get it still!)


Although I do feel it is rather harsh to judge someone solely on one action because I know that Twigley is a very good leader - perhaps the best I played with so poo on all you who feel the necessity to Twigley bash once again! (Leave the poor boy alone for once)

[timtadams]

Why are people even posting and arguing, the vast majority of you were never in Asphyxia so i don't see what your getting pissed about, it wasnt the alliance that you were in so basically Stfu and stop flaming twigley

People complain because of the *effect* that Twigley disbanding his alliance has done to this round.
How could you not see this? Another brilliant remark by Tombi! (Although I can explain further if you don't quite get it still!)


Although I do feel it is rather harsh to judge someone solely on one action because I know that Twigley is a very good leader - perhaps the best I played with so poo on all you who feel the necessity to Twigley bash once again! (Leave the poor boy alone for once)

And what effect did it have on the round?

Its just that from what i could tell (from both Twigley, and other ex Asph members) half of Asph was not FTW, so i find it hard to believe that they would have succeeded in doing anything significant for the round. Obviously Twigley realised this.

[Godsend9701]

Why are people even posting and arguing, the vast majority of you were never in Asphyxia so i don't see what your getting pissed about, it wasnt the alliance that you were in so basically Stfu and stop flaming twigley

People complain because of the *effect* that Twigley disbanding his alliance has done to this round.
How could you not see this? Another brilliant remark by Tombi! (Although I can explain further if you don't quite get it still!)


Although I do feel it is rather harsh to judge someone solely on one action because I know that Twigley is a very good leader - perhaps the best I played with so poo on all you who feel the necessity to Twigley bash once again! (Leave the poor boy alone for once)

And what effect did it have on the round?

Its just that from what i could tell (from both Twigley, and other ex Asph members) half of Asph was not FTW, so i find it hard to believe that they would have succeeded in doing anything significant for the round. Obviously Twigley realised this.


asph might of been half/half for a FTW alliance, but they did do more as a half and half ally than lets say barcodes who only just decided to wake up

[Iamsmart]

50/50 FTW?

There is no way you can say Asphyxia had no effect on the round, or couldn't have in the future. Not only were we rank 1 in activity before we went into sleep mode, we had all 19-20 members on a LOT when we were doing mass attacking/defending. We had a lot of troops and had we allied with NOMW I'm pretty confident GC would have fallen, just like Asphyxia and NOMW did 2vs1 before. Maybe not strategically the best move since many of us believed NOMW to be the best alliance of the round, but a difference? Yes.

[Alcibiades]

Asphyxia would have, could have, and did have a huge effect on the round. They should not be discounted so easily.

Even if you weren't all ftw you had enough active and competent players to be a decisive force in this round; as proven by the combined attacks on NOMW.

[Shadowbane]

k.

[Godsend9701]

50/50 FTW?

There is no way you can say Asphyxia had no effect on the round, or couldn't have in the future. Not only were we rank 1 in activity before we went into sleep mode, we had all 19-20 members on a LOT when we were doing mass attacking/defending. We had a lot of troops and had we allied with NOMW I'm pretty confident GC would have fallen, just like Asphyxia and NOMW did 2vs1 before. Maybe not strategically the best move since many of us believed NOMW to be the best alliance of the round, but a difference? Yes.

sorry misunderstoond me, just before you all started deleting/ twigs disbanded the ally, it seemed asph had 50% of the ally that wanted to win, and 50% that didnt care, its what i meant, before that all happened asph was a major threat

[Bruce666]

Well i've always said twigley was a pathetic player, and this proves me correct.

Horrible leader, horrible player. For shame sir, you should know better.

That's horse ****. Twigley is none of those.

I normally back twigs on EVERYTHING, i do believe he is a GOOD leader and a GOOD player, but you are without any sort of ethics, i should of realised it when you kicked 3 loyal members in the S2N round just so Eff-Bee, hobbezak and polo could join, i can be a dickhead but hitting the guys who stayed loyal too you, i understand why you killed my alliance and dont hate you for that but what you did too yur own alliance makes you a moraleless *******

comes from the heart twigs:p

[Twigley]

comes from the heart twigs:p

Comes from someone who left their own alliance that they led this round?

[Polo]

I normally back twigs on EVERYTHING, i do believe he is a GOOD leader and a GOOD player, but you are without any sort of ethics, i should of realised it when you kicked 3 loyal members in the S2N round just so Eff-Bee, hobbezak and polo could join, i can be a dickhead but hitting the guys who stayed loyal too you, i understand why you killed my alliance and dont hate you for that but what you did too yur own alliance makes you a moraleless *******

comes from the heart twigs:p

How ironic.

[Iamsmart]

Twigley, your post does you little to no justice, though I'm sure you thought it was quite clever.

You make fun of him for leaving his alliance as the leader, yet you did the same thing. You also did something much, much worse (in a moral sense). You should also notice that Firewall is still very much an alliance. That would be the key difference, in case you didn't catch my drift.

:)

[Twigley]

Im not making fun, i am showing him how hypocritical he is being. Their entire leadership just bailed on them and not a single word was said about it.

[Iamsmart]

But, you didn't do anything wrong. Neither did he then, right?

Keep working on your logic Twigley, you'll get there.

[Twigley]

Erm are you being retarded on purpose or are you really serious?


He is saying what i did was wrong.
Yet, he did the same.
So i showed him how by his logic, he was being hypocritical.

I didn't say what he did was right or wrong, and i didn't say i what i did was right or wrong.
I used his reasonings and logic, not mine.

Is this hard for you to understand or do you want to keep making yourself look like an idiot?

[Iamsmart]

Erm are you being retarded on purpose or are you really serious?


He is saying what i did was wrong.
Yet, he did the same.
So i showed him how by his logic, he was being hypocritical.

I didn't say what he did was right or wrong, and i didn't say i what i did was right or wrong.
I used his reasonings and logic, not mine.

Is this hard for you to understand or do you want to keep making yourself look like an idiot?

Reread my posts and try to formulate a better response. You can't just ignore part of a persons logic to fit yours Twigley. Look at something that I posted was a key factor in the difference between what he did and what you have done. They aren't remotely similar situations, or you might see a thread dedicated to Bruce disbanding Firewall.

[Twigley]

Wow you really are. rofl.

[Iamsmart]

Ouch. You've got me there, I suppose.

Well played sir.

[Ezekiel]

none of this affects my mid table game so have fun fighting at the top while i chill out here.

[Bruce666]

comes from the heart twigs:p

Comes from someone who left their own alliance that they led this round?

I left my own alliance because my co-leader deleted with no responce, my officers deleted , i had 14 inactive players when i woke up one morning, i only played this round at all too lead with my mate hailstone, after your mass, no one had any morale and when i left with john, it was just me him and quicksilver online

the difference was i told everyone what i was doing , i didnt attack any of them, and i gave control too SWAT so the alliance did not have too disband, what in all of that is ANYTHING like you,

I aint a hippocrit i left my members with all the respect a leader should leave with, i respect all of them still, and i hope they feel the same about me.

you turned on your friends i DIDNT
you attacked your loyal members i DIDNT
you didnt tell them you were leaving i DID
you didnt give them the chance too lead in your absence, i DID

these similarities you speak off, are what twigley theyre BULLSHIT!

[Twigley]

these similarities you speak off, are what twigley theyre BULLSHIT!




I left my own alliance because my co-leader deleted

So did mine.

my officers deleted

1 wanted to quit, the other wanted to join GC.

i had 14 inactive players when i woke up one morning

I had about a bit less than that taking a free ride or being Uncontactable

i only played this round at all too lead with my mate hailstone

I only played to lead with DA and play with a few others.


the difference was i told everyone what i was doing

I gave everyone 24 hours notice.


I aint a hippocrit i left my members with all the respect a leader should leave with, i respect all of them still, and i hope they feel the same about me.

Your members said you were inactive for days and then one of them told me you just up and left. You are a hypocrite.

[Iamsmart]

"I gave everyone 24 hours notice."

Still claiming bullshit nobody believes?

Who is the retard now.

[Bruce666]

i lost net connection for 24hrs that was it

what gave you the right too attack your old players?
You wanted too quit?-so why join GC yourself?
what gives you the right too tell me anything after i had your back, when NO ONE ELSE did?

[SuperSneker]

the difference was i told everyone what i was doing

I gave everyone 24 hours notice.



Come on, Twigs. You didn't. You said you would discuss it after 24 hours with me and Cheese.

Well, you told me at 10:34 AM of that next day that you would sort out what you would do... You weren't sure by then whether you would disband or not. So, please, don't say you gave everyone a 24hours notice... You're probably the only one that believes that.

[Bruce666]

i dont need too trade insults with you twigley i respected you a lot, what i meant is you should of at least apologised too the members who didnt know what you were planning or you attacked

[Twigley]

01[10:19] <Twigley> how would you feel about going solo
01[10:19] <Twigley> and having solo triangles
[10:19] <SuperSneker> I'd be up for that, tbh
01[10:20] <Twigley> ive been offered a spot in GC
01[10:20] <Twigley> and can bring 1 other
[10:20] <SuperSneker> lol go for it :-)
[10:20] <SuperSneker> I stay with enzzo and drs
[10:34] <SuperSneker> you should join 'm, though




Hey guys.
You are getting this mass mail with great regret after i have disbanded the alliance after seeing people quit and delete already over the past few days.

I have had fond times in the alliance, but we all know as of late we have had big internal issues that have not resolved themsevles.

Along with these, i, and some of the core members of the alliance, do not wish to carry on playing with people who have not been putting in enough effort all round.
I do not find it fair to keep them losing real life things over the game for people who dont care, and kicking half of the alliance would just be suicide.

You do have to take it into context and think that it is just a game, one that other people have had sleep interupted by many times because others will not come on
The enjoyment has gone completely out of the alliance, and people who said to me they were playing ftw, are just not playing ftw even after numerous times frm me saying how they have to improve.

If like to thank those that put the effort in, and you know who you are, and for you i am deeply sorry, and this is very hard for me to do, but i have to respect the wishes of other members who no longer want to continue -

- Which is why im puting you all to solo..

Sorry that this didnt work out and ive been mullering over this for liek 48 hours and it LITERALLY puts an unsettling feeling in my stomach because i feel like i have let you down.

Anyway, thanks to all who joined this round even after it looked like there wouldnt even be an alliance, and thanks to those who put effort.


Again, sorry and i feel bad but it cannot continue like this and ive done my best to make it work - but it isnt.

- Twigley.

And yes there was a clear post that there was 24 hours disbandment and i'd already talken to Cheese and Sneeker. Only regret i have is maybe not pranking people on.

[FeR]

The actual problem here is not leaving your alliance when you think you dont stand a chance to win, or just dont have the time/effort to try and take the win with the ones you recruited and started playing, its just getting everyone to get ****ed up, by your new alliance actually :P

Even if last round you were not the "leader", you did left for rank 1 alliance and noone got here to talk bulshit about you, dont you think? Thats because there are scorequeens everywhere, but what you did this round was lowest, cause you screwed up everyone envolved with you.

[SuperSneker]

"And yes there was a clear post that there was 24 hours disbandment and i'd already talken to Cheese and Sneeker." I had no bloody clue you were going to disband, since you said you would sort it properly....



[11:34] <Twigley> ok
[11:34] <Twigley> keep it on the low
[11:34] <Twigley> till i sort it out proper

I wouldn't have kept it 'on the low' if I had known you were going to betray your whole alliance: kick everyone and landrape them with your new 'friends'. As I told you, you deserved your topspot. You worked for it and I think most people wouldn't have had probs with you leaving in order to join GC...

Oh well, I kept my word by not telling anyone. Would have expected you to have some decency as well.

[Twigley]

I wanted the solo part on the low so none of the people who where slacking and i didnt want anything to do with would possibly join NOMW would then know the solo plans.

Edit: Also GC only had 1 spot and i let Cheese have it as hed wanted it for some time and i was solo untill about 23:00 when GC said they could make room.

[Iamsmart]

I don't get it at all.

First of all, that mass mail was sent AFTER or just AS you disbanded the alliance, that does us little to no good and justifies yourself of nothing.

Second of all, those IRC quotes sound like you planned to sort us in to some sort of solo triangles? We heard nothing of this, and you obviously didn't do anything of the sort, so I don't know what you were trying to prove there.

[Shadowbane]

comes from the heart twigs:p

Comes from someone who left their own alliance that they led this round?

He did not disband though

[Ogluk]

comes from the heart twigs:p

Comes from someone who left their own alliance that they led this round?

He did not disband though

he also deleted instead of ending up in the rank 1 alliance

sorry twigley but you really dont have much of a leg to stand on

[CrimsonFury88]

comes from the heart twigs:p

Comes from someone who left their own alliance that they led this round?

He did not disband though

sorry twigley but you really dont have much of a leg to stand on

Good job he carries a spare then. Twigley is actually a typo of Twigleg. Notice how close the Y and G keys are.

[Zaheen]

Give it a rest already, who cares?

It's just a game.

[Godsend9701]

Give it a rest already, who cares?

It's just a game.

i so agree, this happens to someone every round, so get over it and band together, or you all think that cant be done?

[Dark_Angel]

the difference was i told everyone what i was doingI gave everyone 24 hours notice.



Come on, Twigs. You didn't. You said you would discuss it after 24 hours with me and Cheese.

Well, you told me at 10:34 AM of that next day that you would sort out what you would do... You weren't sure by then whether you would disband or not. So, please, don't say you gave everyone a 24hours notice... You're probably the only one that believes that.

QFT. The alliance shouldnt have been disbanded, it was a selfish attempt to gain GC land from the numerous Asph members who were helpless to defend themselves and, in some cases, were even offline. I've never actually seen such a cold-hearted move on behalf of an alliance leader, and whilst as I've said I respect Twigley as a good player, I condemn this particular action as a massive score queen move. Leaving Asph to go to GC would have been bad enough, but acceptable given your efforts were, albeit, greater than those of the average Asph member - but to disband your alliance and leave your members wide open to attack from your new alliance mates - and for the sake of what? What is going to be, more than likely, the most boring round ever given there is literally no fighting left to be done. I could understand the move a little more if you were after some excitement, but very clearly all you were interested in was score/land - which is the definition of a score queen.

I hadnt even read that last mass mail, Twigley, but you missed out the "I'm also sorry for attacking a few of you knowing you're offline, and letting my new GC buddies rape you all senseless too" - bit.

[TaO]

QFT. The alliance shouldnt have been disbanded, it was a selfish attempt to gain GC land from the numerous Asph members who were helpless to defend themselves and, in some cases, offline anyway. I've never actually seen such a cold-hearted move on behalf of an alliance leader
RebelRapeRepeat :D

What is going to be, more than likely, the most boring round ever given there is literally no fighting left to be done.

Those NOMW guys could still put up a fight.. With a bit of help this could still be fun.

[Martin]

QFT. The alliance shouldnt have been disbanded, it was a selfish attempt to gain GC land from the numerous Asph members who were helpless to defend themselves and, in some cases, offline anyway. I've never actually seen such a cold-hearted move on behalf of an alliance leader
RebelRapeRepeat :D

We weren't the leader(s).

[TaO]

QFT. The alliance shouldnt have been disbanded, it was a selfish attempt to gain GC land from the numerous Asph members who were helpless to defend themselves and, in some cases, offline anyway. I've never actually seen such a cold-hearted move on behalf of an alliance leader
RebelRapeRepeat :D

We weren't the leader(s).

Aaw damnit ;(

[Shadowbane]

and they didn't disband leaving others helpless solos

[Alcibiades]

That's not to say what ReRR was kindhearted tho ;)

[Cyrus]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

im sorry Polo, ill let you finish, but Twigley is one of the best rank whores of all time

[Cheese]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

im sorry Polo, ill let you finish, but Twigley is one of the best rank whores of all time

As a bushtarion member of staff you should know the forums rules and you should abide by them, we are here to set the example and the example you are setting isn't the right one cyrus.

And don't mock other peoples way of playing coming from somebody who in the middle of a war did Crazed droids before tyrants I mean seriously Cyrus what were you thinking?

[CrimsonFury88]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

im sorry Polo, ill let you finish, but Twigley is one of the best rank whores of all time

As a bushtarion member of staff you should know the forums rules and you should abide by them, we are here to set the example and the example you are setting isn't the right one cyrus.

And don't mock other peoples way of playing coming from somebody who in the middle of a war did Crazed droids before tyrants I mean seriously Cyrus what were you thinking?

http://www.v6performance.net/gallery/data/500/10248KettleCallingPotBlack.jpg

Don't be such a fool Cheese.

[Iamsmart]

ROFL

nice pic :P

[Cheese]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

im sorry Polo, ill let you finish, but Twigley is one of the best rank whores of all time

As a bushtarion member of staff you should know the forums rules and you should abide by them, we are here to set the example and the example you are setting isn't the right one cyrus.

And don't mock other peoples way of playing coming from somebody who in the middle of a war did Crazed droids before tyrants I mean seriously Cyrus what were you thinking?

Don't be such a fool Cheese.

Really Crimson whatever...
http://blog.urbanoutfitters.com/files/lomo_blog_winner.jpg

[Cyrus]

"if ya cant beat em, join em."

twigley's motto since day 1 of playing.

same ****, different round. oh snap.

this round is over thanks to twigley disbanding, even when it had potential to be the most unpredictable round, then the old chestnut strikes again.

[CrimsonFury88]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

im sorry Polo, ill let you finish, but Twigley is one of the best rank whores of all time

As a bushtarion member of staff you should know the forums rules and you should abide by them, we are here to set the example and the example you are setting isn't the right one cyrus.

And don't mock other peoples way of playing coming from somebody who in the middle of a war did Crazed droids before tyrants I mean seriously Cyrus what were you thinking?

Don't be such a fool Cheese.

Really Crimson whatever...
http://blog.urbanoutfitters.com/files/lomo_blog_winner.jpg

You'd be suprised.

And if you're going to judge people on "reputation", how well known they are on the Boards, or their post count -- you'll be proving that in 15 or so rounds of my absence, you've not changed one bit.

Still the over-confident, arrogant, "im better than you" Cheese that you always were.

Bladdy marv'luss.

[Cheese]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

im sorry Polo, ill let you finish, but Twigley is one of the best rank whores of all time

As a bushtarion member of staff you should know the forums rules and you should abide by them, we are here to set the example and the example you are setting isn't the right one cyrus.

And don't mock other peoples way of playing coming from somebody who in the middle of a war did Crazed droids before tyrants I mean seriously Cyrus what were you thinking?

Don't be such a fool Cheese.

Really Crimson whatever...
http://blog.urbanoutfitters.com/files/lomo_blog_winner.jpg

You'd be suprised.

And if you're going to judge people on "reputation", how well known they are on the Boards, or their post count -- you'll be proving that in 15 or so rounds of my absence, you've not changed one bit.

Still the over-confident, arrogant, "im better than you" Cheese that you always were.

Bladdy marv'luss.

Well if you've been here for that length of time you've obviously made that much of an impact you warrant that picture.
Soon shut you up though didn't it.

[CrimsonFury88]

Wtf? This was one of the more interesting rounds in recent times. :(

im sorry Polo, ill let you finish, but Twigley is one of the best rank whores of all time

As a bushtarion member of staff you should know the forums rules and you should abide by them, we are here to set the example and the example you are setting isn't the right one cyrus.

And don't mock other peoples way of playing coming from somebody who in the middle of a war did Crazed droids before tyrants I mean seriously Cyrus what were you thinking?

Don't be such a fool Cheese.

Really Crimson whatever...
http://blog.urbanoutfitters.com/files/lomo_blog_winner.jpg

You'd be suprised.

And if you're going to judge people on "reputation", how well known they are on the Boards, or their post count -- you'll be proving that in 15 or so rounds of my absence, you've not changed one bit.

Still the over-confident, arrogant, "im better than you" Cheese that you always were.

Bladdy marv'luss.

Well if you've been here for that length of time you've obviously made that much of an impact you warrant that picture.
Soon shut you up though didn't it.

I replied, did I not?

And "making an impact"? Making an impact on a browser based internet game?

I didn't realise I was speaking to the Barack Obama of the internet.

You make it sound like being a "Bushtarion Presence" is some kind of war effort. Or commendable for some kind of Nobel Prize. Perhaps even an Acknowledgement on somebodies CV.

Take a walk outside Cheese. Beyond Bushtarion, what are you?

Just another person. One that spends an inordinate amount of time on a browser game, but still, just another person nonetheless.

So the real question is, who the hell are you?

[Moggy]

Time to stop flaming before someone gets burnt guys.

CrimsonFury88, you are entitled to your opinion, as is Cheese. Doesn't mean you should both *****, moan and whine about it (BMW - you lie that?).

What's been said has been said. Let's get back on topic - Asphyxia Disbanding.

I've been reading this thread for days and from what I can gather Twigley was doing a good job of leading the alliance before members went AWOL. He felt there was no alternative but to disband the alliance following an offer to join GC.

Whilst I don't condone either action, it's clearly something Twigley took the time to consider and then acted, in what he believed, was the best course of action.

[CrimsonFury88]

Time to stop flaming before someone gets burnt guys.

CrimsonFury88, you are entitled to your opinion, as is Cheese. Doesn't mean you should both *****, moan and whine about it (BMW - you lie that?)

Not having that Moggy.

I'm not moaning about what has happened with the alliance's - I'm pointing out the fact that Cheese is not fit to be a Bushtarion Helper.

Since when has the job spec included "Needlessly attack the other Helpers/Moderators", be it for play-style or forum-posts.

About as helpful as a chocolate fireguard.

[Moggy]

Fair point and duly noted. You aren't exactly helping the current situation though ;)

[Cyrus]

guys why would he leave asph still going when he was in GC? that would mean there was still a possibility of him losing....

ofc if he disbanded asph then he was pretty much garanteed the win....and expecting him to leave on a good note and not hit asph's offliners as soon as he left was very silly :P

ps: stop deleting my ****ing posts, having backstabbing within the community is what causes all these f;aming threads, without these backstabbers and ****s the games a much better place to play in. therefore the forums should know who these people are so they dont have to play with them again

[Iamsmart]

This ones for you Twigley.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/7/7/633510653600214182-leadership---seagull-style.jpg

[Twigley]

Lol

[Iamsmart]

I thought you'd appreciate my love <3

:D

[marvin]

+1 to Iamshit.

[CrimsonFury88]

+1 to Iamshit.

:O

Language marvin.

[Iamsmart]

*Marvinder

U see Smallville yet Marvinder?

[TaO]

guys why would he leave asph still going when he was in GC? that would mean there was still a possibility of him losing....

ofc if he disbanded asph then he was pretty much garanteed the win....and expecting him to leave on a good note and not hit asph's offliners as soon as he left was very silly :P

ps: stop deleting my ****ing posts, having backstabbing within the community is what causes all these f;aming threads, without these backstabbers and ****s the games a much better place to play in. therefore the forums should know who these people are so they dont have to play with them again

Why you swear so much?
You get beaten in life, so now your just swearing and flaming on the net.. just so you look cool? E-Thug FTW!

[Cyrus]

cool kid

[TaO]

Cool kid? who?

All i want to know is.. Why?! Why you swear so much?!

I think 90% of your posts on the forums contains at least 1 word that has been filtered.

[BuBbLeS]

such a ****ing bully BB. for **** sake stop picking on those smaller than you.

****

[TaO]

I'm not picking on him.. yet
I'm just curious about the situation he's in.
I think he has serious issues in his life.

I know just the guy for him.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/myfuchsiahouse/Dr_Phil.jpg
Its not too late for you!

[Cheese]

We all know why he fails at bush...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/92902477_9eec03aa09.jpg

[Cyrus]

i fail at bush? really, are you really even being an idiot?

[TaO]

i fail at bush? really, are you really even being an idiot?

idiot is also considered swearing imo
why?!

[BuBbLeS]

bully

[TaO]

IM NOT A BULLY!
I'm trying to help him!
This guy has serious issues :(

[Cyrus]

i fail at bush? really, are you really even being an idiot?

idiot is also considered swearing imo
why?!

please cry more :(

[TaO]

i fail at bush? really, are you really even being an idiot?

idiot is also considered swearing imo
why?!

please cry more :(

See what im talking about?
Your full of negative energy..
I seriously think you should see Dr. Phil.

[BuBbLeS]

BB can we get Cyrus a place in GC :D:D

[TaO]

I'm pretty sure he's gonna take it..
Coz thats what they all do..

But no, not untill he went to Dr. Phil, coz i dont want another guy with bad tempers..

[Changer]

Who the **** has a bad temper. STFU noob

[TaO]

And yet people wonder why the playerbase is becoming less and less.

[Cyrus]

I'm pretty sure he's gonna take it..
Coz thats what they all do..

But no, not untill he went to Dr. Phil, coz i dont want another guy with bad tempers..

id take a place in GC, just recheck my nick.....yes thats correct, its not Twigley.
you'll never find me shipjumping as long as i play this game, thank you.

ps. im a cool cucumber :D

[Twigley]

Who the **** has a bad temper. STFU noob

Not sure if serious.

http://capitalistliontamer.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/futurama_fry_looking_squint.jpg

[TaO]

I'm pretty sure he's gonna take it..
Coz thats what they all do..

But no, not untill he went to Dr. Phil, coz i dont want another guy with bad tempers..

id take a place in GC, just recheck my nick.....yes thats correct, its not Twigley.
you'll never find me shipjumping as long as i play this game, thank you.

ps. im a cool cucumber :D

oow my gosh!
serious!, call the newspaper!

First post today without swearing!
my Dr.Phil therapy helped? :D

And plus, Twigs never shipjumped.. as he was solo when he joined us
Sort your info, then start talking nonsense ;)

[Cyrus]

LOL, move along kids, this is bordering embarrassing :P

[TaO]

Again a post without swearing, but your still trying to boost your e-penis.
Ethugs needs a big Epenis, else you fail.

Cyrus, just go see the Dr. Phil!

[CrimsonFury88]

Again a post without swearing, but your still trying to boost your e-penis.
Ethugs needs a big Epenis, else you fail.

Cyrus, just go see the Dr. Phil!

"BigBoss in 'acting like ****' shocker"

Interesting how nobody picks up on you talking like a complete and utter idiot.

I wonder why? Oh yes. That's the one. Everybodies too busy licking your balls to speak -.-

Seriously. Why the animosity? If you have a problem with Cyrus, take it up with him in PM. Or just drop it. What's the use in getting personal? If it's one little post here and there in a light hearted tone, then fair play, but your insisting on repeating a really poor joke which is genuinely not funny.

I don't know if it's the language barrier, or if you're just so far up yourself that you don't realise it, but there's no call for it.

*cue tobapopalos and his FTW brigade charging to BB's defence*

I'll get my coat.

[Cyrus]

Again a post without swearing, but your still trying to boost your e-penis.
Ethugs needs a big Epenis, else you fail.

Cyrus, just go see the Dr. Phil!

fortunately mines big enough thanks, i dont understand why your so worried about my well being, ive lived happily for 20 years. you really dont need to, the thought is there though <3

[TaO]

Again a post without swearing, but your still trying to boost your e-penis.
Ethugs needs a big Epenis, else you fail.

Cyrus, just go see the Dr. Phil!

"BigBoss in 'acting like ****' shocker"

Interesting how nobody picks up on you talking like a complete and utter idiot.

I wonder why? Oh yes. That's the one. Everybodies too busy licking your balls to speak -.-

Seriously. Why the animosity? If you have a problem with Cyrus, take it up with him in PM. Or just drop it. What's the use in getting personal? If it's one little post here and there in a light hearted tone, then fair play, but your insisting on repeating a really poor joke which is genuinely not funny.

I don't know if it's the language barrier, or if you're just so far up yourself that you don't realise it, but there's no call for it.

*cue tobapopalos and his FTW brigade charging to BB's defence*

I'll get my coat.

Another Mr. braggert?
Let me guess, your friends with Cyrus, same personality.
Read your own post, then realise what you said, then you realise how dumb you actually are?

I got no personal issues with Cyrus yet.
I just dislike Cyrus coz he thinks he's "the man" while he's just another player in the game.

All i want to know is, Why cyrus swears so much, and why he tries to act like mr cool.

[TaO]

Again a post without swearing, but your still trying to boost your e-penis.
Ethugs needs a big Epenis, else you fail.

Cyrus, just go see the Dr. Phil!

fortunately mines big enough thanks, i dont understand why your so worried about my well being, ive lived happily for 20 years. you really dont need to, the thought is there though <3

It is now, as you keep bragging in this thread.
But seriously, what is the problem?

[Cheese]

i fail at bush? really, are you really even being an idiot?

Who said I was talking about you?
I guess admitting you have a problem is the first sign to recovery :)

[Cyrus]

Tao your the one making this thread look stupid, your statement about me always swearing is a load of spanners because that is probably the only post i have sworn in, in a long while.
either way its pretty petty.

i can never get enough of all the same alli jumping on the thread war bangwagon, im sat here laughing so hard over it. keep it up :P giving me good giggles xx

[Twigley]

Some mod needs to lock this thread...

[CrimsonFury88]

Some mod needs to lock this thread...

I second that motion.

[Polo]

So much ego... Locked.