Pussy Blockers declare WAR on Spit 'n Swallow

[Silence]

:D

[Godsend9701]

its that time already? NICE CHARGE

[Martin]

:snipersmile:

[Bahnsen]

martin, you need a little person facing the other way next to the guy with the gun and you're set :P

[Martin]

martin, you need a little person facing the other way next to the guy with the gun and you're set :P

I couldn't find one :/


btw, I didn't backstab anyone this round....

[Godsend9701]

[range] 13,300,000 allied Psychopathic Android attacked, killing 9,568,868 hostile staff.
[range] 600,000 allied Automoton attacked, killing 1,865,557 hostile staff.
[range] 1,708,420 hostile Petrol Bomber lobbed Molotov Cocktails and killed 8,941,975 allied staff.

Died: 8,941,975 [£28,766,719,400] friendlies dead. 11,434,425 [£219,914,602,700] enemies dead.

[Bahnsen]

martin, you need a little person facing the other way next to the guy with the gun and you're set :P

I couldn't find one :/


btw, I didn't backstab anyone this round....

That is true, though the round is young! Those in the same alliance as Martin and Polo be wary ;)

[Hobbezak]

martin, you need a little person facing the other way next to the guy with the gun and you're set :P

I couldn't find one :/


btw, I didn't backstab anyone this round....YET

^^

[Silence]

Three sucessful waves, in which we have seen one defence which has been sent.

[Sir Drumalot]

Hopefully SnS dont give up.. We want WAR dammit!

[Turnip2k]

No one cares anymore.

Only 2 allies actually give a crap enough to put significant amounts of time in. By the looks of the war, it may only be one.

This is shaping up to be a stale round

[BuBbLeS]

:( stale rounds suck :(

[DarkSider]

This comes from an old dilema for vets/ace players .. to play with their old friends and get a round like this one where there's nobody to fight or to split and play with potential anoying and incompetent players :P

We need a larger playerbase ! :P

[Sir Drumalot]

This comes from an old dilema for vets/ace players .. to play with their old friends and get a round like this one where there's nobody to fight or to split and play with potential anoying and incompetent players :P

We need a larger playerbase ! :P

Thats for sure. Its quite a dilema, dont wanna play with newbs but also dont want the round to be boring/easy. What has happened to the player base since back in the day?

[Scorpio]

This comes from an old dilema for vets/ace players .. to play with their old friends and get a round like this one where there's nobody to fight or to split and play with potential anoying and incompetent players :P

We need a larger playerbase ! :P

Thats for sure. Its quite a dilema, dont wanna play with newbs but also dont want the round to be boring/easy. What has happened to the player base since back in the day?

Changed a lot.. Only 2-3 real FTW groups per round, it seems :P

[Turnip2k]

There are plenty of vets around - it's just that none of them want to put the time in anymore. There a big difference between allies who could go FTW, and allies who want to. I would say there are enough 'vets' each round to make 4-5 FTW allies if they all went fully active, but thats not going to happen. In fact, its probably the 'vets' which make up the majority of this playerbase since we are getting no new players.

We need new players who are willing to put time into the game and teach them how to play. For alot of the old players, this game has got stale and boring. It has been the same stuff for far, far too long. The high activity requirement burns people out very quickly too.

You either need to have a huge push to recruit new people into the game, or try to mix up the game TOTALLY to try and reinspire some activity from the oldies.

[f0xx]

And the whining begins...

[MattM]

You love it really, f0xx :P

[DarkSider]

And the whining begins...


If the only competition can send just 2 defensive mobs, can't get players online to send out and die like they got hit by a nuclear bomb i'd say there's enough reason to moan about :P

Not like it makes much difference to me who's winning i just want some drama and action in forums, quite hard to get it atm :P

[f0xx]

Everyone roll over and die, we pull ahead and get innactive. The rest of the allies can fight among themselves and even make a resistance some time in the future. That's a lot of drama if you ask me.

[Tombi]

I propose Martin & Co start the backstabbing now and continue till they win the round 10x over, that should stop the whingers!

[pinpower]

Delayed i know but i was really sleepy when it started...sooo

CHARGE!!!!

;P

[Martin]

I propose Martin & Co start the backstabbing now and continue till they win the round 10x over, that should stop the whingers!

Nah, we're too active atm... must wait....

[DarkSider]

Then do a front stab ? :D

[Steve_God]

Challenge: Split the ally into two wings of 10 players, and war it out between you (while staying at the top) :P lol

[Godsend9701]

oh yes lets all do an RRR/ReRR

/me being sarcastic

[Garrett]

Thank you all! I appreciate all the lame threads and posts this round. It has made it all that much easier to stay not signed up.

Keep it up pr0's!

[Sir Drumalot]

See we all love drama. Who knows whats to come.

[Godsend9701]

Thank you all! I appreciate all the lame threads and posts this round. It has made it all that much easier to stay not signed up.

Keep it up pr0's!

Garrett stfu and make an ID and 'Challenge' us :P

[Godsend9701]

war is over god dam it :(

[atsanjose]

And the whining begins...


If the only competition can send just 2 defensive mobs, can't get players online to send out and die like they got hit by a nuclear bomb i'd say there's enough reason to moan about :P

Not like it makes much difference to me who's winning i just want some drama and action in forums, quite hard to get it atm :P

time for a second bunker round then i assume?

[n0c0ntr0l]

war, finished far too early. I couldn't even play properly thanks to jesus camp :(

[Max]

Isn't it a bit early to be declaring the round over? :P

[Scorpio]

The round isn't over yet, but this battle is, atm :P

[Bruce666]

this round is over and in my eyes this game is too, azzer should get rid of AR force people into alliances, cus this round is bullshit, 1 week in and the round was decided in one nite when PB's found SnS weakest time and launched, congrats on winning the lamest round ever

[Davis]

Martin/Kuda/Polo and all their members need to break up and make their own FTW allies with some good and some newish players, i mean i know there are a lot of fluctuation in players but War? Huh?, RRR, and now PB seems to be the same general unstopable members :P

[Matthew]

this round is over and in my eyes this game is too, azzer should get rid of AR force people into alliances, cus this round is bullshit, 1 week in and the round was decided in one nite when PB's found SnS weakest time and launched, congrats on winning the lamest round ever

LOL LOL, the lamest round ever and look how **** you are again. Stop complaining about solo's when all a "FTW" alliance has to offer is your leadership or that of similar skill. There in all fairness was only 1 competent leader this round and the round really was only ever a 1 horse race.

[Sir Drumalot]

this round is over and in my eyes this game is too, azzer should get rid of AR force people into alliances, cus this round is bullshit, 1 week in and the round was decided in one nite when PB's found SnS weakest time and launched, congrats on winning the lamest round ever

Weakest time? We went at SnS for 12 hours... What kinda ftw group is inactive for 12 hours straight? SnS had to be expecting a war sooner or later..

[Davis]

bruce666 is in NOt in sns U might want to rethink that statement :p

[IceOfFire]

People please stop telling polo/martin to split off! If i was them i would be setting up my cruise control and get ready for an easy ride!

Just because they did it once, doesn't mean they will again!

[f0xx]

Martin/Kuda/Polo and all their members need to break up and make their own FTW allies with some good and some newish players, i mean i know there are a lot of fluctuation in players but War? Huh?, RRR, and now PB seems to be the same general unstopable members :P
Rofl, you guys seem like have gotten used to winning rounds the easy way. "Hey Kuda/Polo/Martin, split up please, tis the only way we can beat you group :~(".

Jesus, how more lame can it get?

The other day I read somewhere in our pols that there was a resistance trying to be formed against us and we were rank 2 at that time with SnS having 20k more acres than us. It was going to come for us because "we are the bigger threat". And what else can be expected, when what was considered the strongest player in SnS make funny posts like how easy it is to "rush" intel.

The skill level in the game has dropped SO much that it is getting sad. If the old times dutchies come back now they would have a walk in the park literally. I mean, I've seen bad defences, bad attacks and such, but what I saw this round has never been worse. People who have absolutely no idea how to play the game at first place start alliances and even consider them "FTW". Right...

When WH was formed you knew what you were facing. When RRR was formed, you knew what you were facing and now when PB was formed you again knew who you had to fight and still made the same damn mistakes.

People spend tons of funds on flak that they lose on attacks. Rush intel instead of their developments. Ignore the importance of ETA 5 view on the incomings. Those are all things that stack together and in the end form a huge edge we can use.

Next time perhaps, put a bit more thought into your "FTW" allainces before creating them. Leading an ally, especially one that wants to win is more than stacking good players at one place.

Rant over.

[edit] Nice posts IoF and Matthew. It's good to see some can still be arsed to use their brains.

[Twigley]

War? Huh?, RRR, and now PB seems to be the same general unstopable members :P

The group is a well oiled machine that i have had to fight against and now have the pleasure of playing with.

It's really unreal how old school these guys are and it's very refreshing to play with.

Hat's off to one of the best group of core players i seen about in a looooong time.

[Scorpio]

I must admit that their core rocks to play in (played alongside Martin/Polo 2 rounds ago in WH)

Buuuuut it must be very boring tbh for them to always win @ the start :P
It'd be for "the greater good" to have the vets divided over more alliances because frankly, the 2 groups of ppl who can be arsed every round is getting boooring :p

Oh and btw gratz to PB, who somehow got round our heavy defences and managed to survive our uberly thought out retaliation plans!! ;)

[DarkSider]

I agree with a part of your post f0xx, indeed i saw myself plenty nublets who blew over 30 bil for 100-200 acres in first days or over 100 bil for 300 1 week into the round. Plenty of bad starters even in highest alliances, no clue how to plan ahead etc.
However that's exactly the point .. you don't have such noobies to drag your alliance average skill down so you start with a major advantage(or you have less than others plus rest are awesome starters). Not sure what can you blame other allies for if they didn't had the members with the skill activity and contactibility to give your ally a challange.
I can't express how dissapointed i was to see the usual war for r1 was actually farming the large alliance in 2 waves.

But i don't think it's needed after creating an "all stars" alliance to come here and tell others how much they sucked and they need to learn how to play the game :P Tho there is still hope i guess, start of the round is a very difficult period for most of the playerbase but later in the round many alliances are pretty decent.

P.S. I'm assuming your lineup is awesome as i was told so in the first days, i actually don't have much of a clue who's playing in which ally :P

[LAFiN]

I see this thread as a call for Blackwolf and Virus to return to the game!

[Twigley]

I see it as Sandertjeeee needs to come back.

[Souls]

Oh god no :P

[Podunk]

Honestly its the summer round tbh... people are busy in the summers! Fall/Winter/Spring always seem to have good groups of players and alliances. Just a simple observation.

[Sir Drumalot]

Martin/Kuda/Polo and all their members need to break up and make their own FTW allies with some good and some newish players, i mean i know there are a lot of fluctuation in players but War? Huh?, RRR, and now PB seems to be the same general unstopable members :P

I must admit that their core rocks to play in (played alongside Martin/Polo 2 rounds ago in WH)

Buuuuut it must be very boring tbh for them to always win @ the start :P
It'd be for "the greater good" to have the vets divided over more alliances because frankly, the 2 groups of ppl who can be arsed every round is getting boooring :p

Oh and btw gratz to PB, who somehow got round our heavy defences and managed to survive our uberly thought out retaliation plans!! ;)

I see everywhere everyone's assuming its the same players from all those rounds, and its just not true. We are a totally different make up, an alliance of its own worth. Dont label us like that, like we all joined with the intention of being "unbeatable" we want war as much if not more than the rest of you. Its just a group of friends that last minute decided instead of being solo we wanted to be in an alliance. Its by chance that the make up seems "unbeatable", not just because of the players in the alliance but the players against us too.

I hardly think its our fault that all the other alliances skill/activity isnt up to par. We're expected to play with people we dont know or like because everyone else isnt willing or able? Since when? Also if you dont want Martin, Polo and Kuda together then you're gonna have to get Azzer to put it in the rules. They're good friends, they will always want to be in the same ally.

I agree with a part of your post f0xx, indeed i saw myself plenty nublets who blew over 30 bil for 100-200 acres in first days or over 100 bil for 300 1 week into the round. Plenty of bad starters even in highest alliances, no clue how to plan ahead etc.
However that's exactly the point .. you don't have such noobies to drag your alliance average skill down so you start with a major advantage(or you have less than others plus rest are awesome starters). Not sure what can you blame other allies for if they didn't had the members with the skill activity and contactibility to give your ally a challange.
I can't express how dissapointed i was to see the usual war for r1 was actually farming the large alliance in 2 waves.

But i don't think it's needed after creating an "all stars" alliance to come here and tell others how much they sucked and they need to learn how to play the game :P Tho there is still hope i guess, start of the round is a very difficult period for most of the playerbase but later in the round many alliances are pretty decent.

P.S. I'm assuming your lineup is awesome as i was told so in the first days, i actually don't have much of a clue who's playing in which ally :P

Not sure what we're blaming the other alliances for DS, but its unfair of others to blame us just because we want to play with friends.. Its like everyone blaming you for playing solo. And how do you suppose we give our alliance a challenge? We didnt make them that way, its not our fault they werent contactable. Maybe instead of everyone blaming us, yas should be thinking of ways to combat it? Or do you really believe the only solution is for PB to disband?

[Rosa]

I see it as Sandertjeeee needs to come back.

Yeah! Someone needs to show those noobs the power of 8 billion flak~

[Hobbezak]

War? Huh?, RRR, and now PB seems to be the same general unstopable members :P

The group is a well oiled machine that i have had to fight against and now have the pleasure of playing with.

It's really unreal how old school these guys are and it's very refreshing to play with.

Hat's off to one of the best group of core players i seen about in a looooong time.

Thanks a lot b*tch. :(

[Steve_God]

Honestly its the summer round tbh... people are busy in the summers! Fall/Winter/Spring always seem to have good groups of players and alliances. Just a simple observation.
The man speaks sense!

It happens every summer, and it's also the reason why people like me aren't leading alliances this round - due to holiday commitments.

Having said that, from what I hear of who's in the group, they'd be a challenge at any time of year :P

[Silence]

I appreciate all the frustration that the 'round is over' in only 8 days. (I saved the time. I was 8.88 days on the overview)

However I would really like to re-iterate f0xx's post because it is so important.

sns made mistakes, but two in particular stood out to me, and these guys make this mistake each round.

1) massing flak at the beginning. So much funds was wasted on small acre grabs which would take hours to repair. Keep flak levels low. I had ~7mln flak up until I started PA

2) Importance of eta 5 view. Hell that just made attacking sns easy as they had two less ticks to sort things out. And well, nothing was sorted out


It wouldnt be so frustrating if people learnt from their mistakes, but I guess they need them pointed out. We in PB saw this and sighed because we knew it would be a repeat of RRR but with much less warring.

[Shadow]

Considering quite a few round over bushtarion have been won on teh friday following rounds start(7 days) i think 8.88 days is quite good :P then again that might just be me cause im used to rounds having a winner after 7 days when i played in FTW allie :s

And i think you should be happy it lasted 8.88 days :P Welshie and the Dutchies once won a round in just under 5 days lol gd times :P gettiing called at 1am saying inc loggin in to see all members of both wing Alliance(When Anap's were about) having inc on every single member lol was damn near impssible to organise where everyone went :P

[Cyrus]

Right ive not read this thread 1 bit nor do i intend to, this is gonna be my one and only post, no credit at all taken away from the attack itself, you owned us fair play, what im absolutely ****ed off about, is Twigley, not only did he leave us an hour or so before the attack, all that day he brought the whole alliance down, took the id's new who was offline etc etc, we were in a very low morale poisition, thanks to twigley, this guy begged me to play with him this round, then backstabs me for an easy win. ****ing great. i would have loved a fight without any underhanded tactics, it was shaping up to be a very good round without any 3rd part interferance in a battle, but hey, we cant say anything really, we missed our chance to hit you guys, i even thought you guys were gonna hit us a day early, i even bet my leader 100BC's, but ive swung it for sexual favors :P

good on ya folks, now lets see a resistance heh?

xxx

[Alcibiades]

1 versus 1 i'd bet the RRR/WH basic group against anyone else in the game.

It's funny to see that SnS made the same mistake as they've done for three rounds running, how very amusing, and kudos to Pussy Blockers for beating the snot out of them again so quickly. Well done!

[mastah]

Stop the whining. Kill the rank 1 ally, they are not invincible..

[Garrett]

as I see things being suggested that I've suggested before and same lines spoken last round but from different people now wearing that shoe and I have this to add:



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Commy 64]

I see in this thread a bunch of elitist old school players pissing on new players and demeaning their attempts to learn the game, and failing to be proper 'FTW'.

No wonder the player base is stuck. You have to be contactable 24/7, and you have to learn a very intricate and difficult game by getting your ass kicked over and over with little guidance. God forbid you start this game from scratch as a solo, because you will have NO clue. And forgive me, but not everyone can invest 12+ hours per day to learn the ins and outs of this game. The only solos who PWN are the ones who have played this game for several rounds or who somehow have a very intricate knowledge and understanding of the game mechanics. This is my 3rd round and I have neither.

Maybe if some of you e-penis waving hardcore, old timers focused more on training a few noob players each round (and some do) rather than recruiting all the old-school players you can find...in order to have an UBER alliance, things might be more fun. And people that try bush, might actually stay.

You people sh!t on blackwolf, but at least he recruited noobs and tried to train them.

[Matthew]

f0xx's message/rant hit the nail on the head to be honest.

[Matthew]

I see in this thread a bunch of elitist old school players pissing on new players and demeaning their attempts to learn the game, and failing to be proper 'FTW'.

No wonder the player base is stuck. You have to be contactable 24/7, and you have to learn a very intricate and difficult game by getting your ass kicked over and over with little guidance. God forbid you start this game from scratch as a solo, because you will have NO clue. And forgive me, but not everyone can invest 12+ hours per day to learn the ins and outs of this game. The only solos who PWN are the ones who have played this game for several rounds or who somehow have a very intricate knowledge and understanding of the game mechanics. This is my 3rd round and I have neither.

Maybe if some of you e-penis waving hardcore, old timers focused more on training a few noob players each round (and some do) rather than recruiting all the old-school players you can find...in order to have an UBER alliance, things might be more fun. And people that try bush, might actually stay.

You people sh!t on blackwolf, but at least he recruited noobs and tried to train them.

To be honest though commy as with every game ever created. There will always be the elite and the best at this game. It shouldn't be easy so that ANYONE can pick it up and play for the win. Skill and activity are the only things which determine your rank. Having all the activity in the world will still mean you get smashed by a more experienced player and thats how it should be. The top are the top because they are the best. They aren't undermining people who aren't as good as them, they are merely highlight the naivity of these players who assume just because they want to win they should have a chance. Anyone looking to understand the situation of the game rather than purely to attack or defend their own opinions will realise that PB are winning because they are superior in terms of all the skills required to play the game.

Why would anyone want to play in a group that isn't going to win when they are putting all their time and effort into the game? They have worked hard for their current rank and the only way to stop them winning is for people to stop going "OMG i lost lets moan" is to spend the rest of the round and try to become more knowledgable about the game mechanics, have more wars with other alliances to become more familiarised with the game. The ideology that people need to hold your hand and train you to be a pro just makes me want to vomit. The best get where they are by learning the game and figuring things out for themselves, it is only you who is responsible for your in-game capabilities. Not f0xx, Cyrus, Azzer or me. YOURS

[f0xx]

I see in this thread a bunch of elitist old school players pissing on new players and demeaning their attempts to learn the game, and failing to be proper 'FTW'.
Mind you, the SnS alliance is in no way made of new players. Their line up is in some ways even more impressive than ours (the original line up that is). They had players which have won rounds, organisers such as Twigley and Cyrus who have proved to be among the best in the game.

Not only that but it was exactly the same people (or at least most of them) who were laughing at us a few rounds ago when TBA won the round. Now when it is 1 on 1 they managed to lose the round in a record time.

[edit] I just noticed the part about BW training noobs and I laughed hard. Back at round 17 when I led an alliance for a first time we had to stand against groups such as BW's best line up ever, the dutchies and Sordes. It was exactly BW who after farming my ally for a day or two came to me and told me, "You are out of your leaugue". You know what I did? I went to the dutchies and we pwnd his ass.

[Commy 64]

the only way to stop them winning is for people to stop going "OMG i lost lets moan" is to spend the rest of the round and try to become more knowledgable about the game mechanics, have more wars with other alliances to become more familiarised with the game. The ideology that people need to hold your hand and train you to be a pro just makes me want to vomit. The best get where they are by learning the game and figuring things out for themselves, it is only you who is responsible for your in-game capabilities. Not f0xx, Cyrus, Azzer or me. YOURS

What you say is not without merit. What I've highlighted in red though, is a tad overreactive. I'm not saying people need to be trained up to pro status. But almost everyone laments the small player base of Bush. And if you do not extend some sort of guidance to noobs, they won't stay. If there are more people playing, than the game can be fun even for worthless douchebags like myself who, for reasons such as real life, jobs, kids, etc, can't be your definition of "FTW"...since FTW requires nearly 24/7 activity. No matter how much you demean the n00bs, the fact of the matter is that Bushtarion is not fun when you have no fscking units! It's even less fun when you have a shitload of units, that get mauled by your antiroute, without even firing...and this commonly happens to solo n00bs...who then quit.

You need a larger player base to make bush more fun for everyone. You need casual players to increase your player base (think Ogame or AStroempires, all of which can be played casually and which have large player bases). You also need more players to make bush enjoyable to casual players (so they can attack and grow vs an abundance of targets of similar level). But you can't get more players when casual players don't have fun. Therefore, the bushtarion player base seems to atrophy as fast as it grows. And maybe that's OK.

I'm having fun, for the most part. :)

[Matthew]

the only way to stop them winning is for people to stop going "OMG i lost lets moan" is to spend the rest of the round and try to become more knowledgable about the game mechanics, have more wars with other alliances to become more familiarised with the game. The ideology that people need to hold your hand and train you to be a pro just makes me want to vomit. The best get where they are by learning the game and figuring things out for themselves, it is only you who is responsible for your in-game capabilities. Not f0xx, Cyrus, Azzer or me. YOURS

What you say is not without merit. What I've highlighted in red though, is a tad overreactive. I'm not saying people need to be trained up to pro status. But almost everyone laments the small player base of Bush. And if you do not extend some sort of guidance to noobs, they won't stay. If there are more people playing, than the game can be fun even for worthless douchebags like myself who, for reasons such as real life, jobs, kids, etc, can't be your definition of "FTW"...since FTW requires nearly 24/7 activity. No matter how much you demean the n00bs, the fact of the matter is that Bushtarion is not fun when you have no fscking units! It's even less fun when you have a shitload of units, that get mauled by your antiroute, without even firing...and this commonly happens to solo n00bs...who then quit.

You need a larger player base to make bush more fun for everyone. You need casual players to increase your player base (think Ogame or AStroempires, all of which can be played casually and which have large player bases). You also need more players to make bush enjoyable to casual players (so they can attack and grow vs an abundance of targets of similar level). But you can't get more players when casual players don't have fun. Therefore, the bushtarion player base seems to atrophy as fast as it grows. And maybe that's OK.

I'm having fun, for the most part. :)

I get what you are saying but the problem is a lot people under-estimate the intricate details of the game and assume all you need to be successful is activity. This in turns leads to a lot of players assuming they are better at the game than they actually are and consider themselves elite/ftw when the reality is they are very average. I think you raised an imperitive point about the lack of casual players. People too often now assume because you have been wiped out it is game over. People are too concerned about conserving score and achieving rank, the game is too focused on winning and overly competative, the only purpose of the game is to win whereas in other games there is more emphasis on playing for fun. The casual market for this game is practically none existant unless you come to terms with the reality of frequently being killed and realising that proportionally the targets are still the same :P. Unfortunately the norm has become to preserve score in every means possible even if it means stagnating your own in-game experience.

[tobapopalos]

And forgive me, but not everyone can invest 12+ hours per day to learn the ins and outs of this game.

Then they shouldn't expect to be able to win.

[Garrett]

And forgive me, but not everyone can invest 12+ hours per day to learn the ins and outs of this game.

Then they shouldn't expect to be able to win.


AMEN! Ailihphilia last round did not have the activity to win, nor did we want to. We weren't on round the clock either. Well ok I ended up with 3rd or 4th most tick logged globally, but that was because I was the leader, and even if we were 2nd page, I was going to look after mah peeps.

So we didn't win, obviously, but we sure did have alot of fun and do well in the process.

The round and game is what you make of it *Mostly* - the actions and machinations of others in the game make up the rest of it. But how you play and your attitude is what you can control.

If the recognitions and the posts haven't shown you that there is only a small clique that gets to provide any real input, then you just don't pay enough attention.

Just play the game because you like to... screw the other people. They will only serve to drag you down in the end and possibly ruin what fun you did have.

[Commy 64]

And forgive me, but not everyone can invest 12+ hours per day to learn the ins and outs of this game.

Then they shouldn't expect to be able to win.

All I'm saying is that they should reasonably expect to have fun, or else they won't stay.

[Chewyow]

I dont think PB is that impressive. Someone go make a resistance own those old school noobs. Especially that Polo noob!

[Sir Drumalot]

I appreciate all the frustration that the 'round is over' in only 8 days. (I saved the time. I was 8.88 days on the overview)

However I would really like to re-iterate f0xx's post because it is so important.

sns made mistakes, but two in particular stood out to me, and these guys make this mistake each round.

1) massing flak at the beginning. So much funds was wasted on small acre grabs which would take hours to repair. Keep flak levels low. I had ~7mln flak up until I started PA

2) Importance of eta 5 view. Hell that just made attacking sns easy as they had two less ticks to sort things out. And well, nothing was sorted out


It wouldnt be so frustrating if people learnt from their mistakes, but I guess they need them pointed out. We in PB saw this and sighed because we knew it would be a repeat of RRR but with much less warring.

Good points here, would have been a much better war if we were evenly tech'd (both alliance and players). Dont write it off as criticism, we really do want challenging wars, and as old school players most of us have experienced the really challenging wars with no holds barred. You all make out like we're tyrants trying to rule the game by all jumping in the same alliance, but thats not even close. We want challenges to keep the game fun too.

I personally dont think its my job to "train" each and every new player that comes along. I'll pick someone that wants to be trained, like Sordes picked me. Hard when no one wants to be trained, they just expect it to happen like magic.

Considering quite a few round over bushtarion have been won on teh friday following rounds start(7 days) i think 8.88 days is quite good :P then again that might just be me cause im used to rounds having a winner after 7 days when i played in FTW allie :s

And i think you should be happy it lasted 8.88 days :P Welshie and the Dutchies once won a round in just under 5 days lol gd times :P gettiing called at 1am saying inc loggin in to see all members of both wing Alliance(When Anap's were about) having inc on every single member lol was damn near impssible to organise where everyone went :P

Time from the start to the first war isnt impressive, and 5 days is by no means a record. We could have attacked alot earlier. Not boasting, just pointing out that you're caught up on the details that really dont say anything about skill or activity. Alot of PB was around back then as well. :)

as I see things being suggested that I've suggested before and same lines spoken last round but from different people now wearing that shoe and I have this to add:



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Which shoe? Someone stole Azzers shoe? What are you talking about? If ya gonna rant, at least make it understandable.

I see in this thread a bunch of elitist old school players pissing on new players and demeaning their attempts to learn the game, and failing to be proper 'FTW'.

No wonder the player base is stuck. You have to be contactable 24/7, and you have to learn a very intricate and difficult game by getting your ass kicked over and over with little guidance. God forbid you start this game from scratch as a solo, because you will have NO clue. And forgive me, but not everyone can invest 12+ hours per day to learn the ins and outs of this game. The only solos who PWN are the ones who have played this game for several rounds or who somehow have a very intricate knowledge and understanding of the game mechanics. This is my 3rd round and I have neither.

Maybe if some of you e-penis waving hardcore, old timers focused more on training a few noob players each round (and some do) rather than recruiting all the old-school players you can find...in order to have an UBER alliance, things might be more fun. And people that try bush, might actually stay.

You people sh!t on blackwolf, but at least he recruited noobs and tried to train them.

Where were we pissing on them? Top level players have always had to be contactable 24/7 mate. You're acting like this round we've come in and changed everything on ya. The only solos that PWN are the active ones.. Knowledge makes up very little, the rest is activity.

I got an idea, you're so passionate about training people up (which is great, dont get me wrong); make an effort to do it, and stop passing the buck onto us. You dont know what we've done, we've been around a long time mate and there are alot of us that help anyone willing to listen, but as I said above not everyone wants to listen.

[Scorpio]

@ f0xx: Only 4-5 ppl MAX in SnS played in TBA...

@ Drum: I didn't mean to say that it are always the same exact groups, but I just noticed there were only 2 alliance this round who stole and grew like hell in flakwars. I want moar decent alli's for MOAR PLEASURE :P

Big chance that this is due to the summer holidays, but I really don't see much other vets coming back in september/october tbh :P

[Garrett]

Don't worry SD, my stuff? It's wayyyy over your head. First and foremost, there was no rant. I'm highly amused.

As far as your demand(s) go, I believe a 'stfu' is in order. If you didn't understand, then I wasn't posting to/for you.

Move along citizen.

[Twigley]

I dont think PB is that impressive. Someone go make a resistance own those old school noobs. Especially that Polo noob!

Lool ;D

This thread is off topic ftl?

[Mysterious]

I dont think PB is that impressive. Someone go make a resistance own those old school noobs. Especially that Polo noob!

Win.


@ Drum: I didn't mean to say that it are always the same exact groups, but I just noticed there were only 2 alliance this round who stole and grew like hell in flakwars. I want moar decent alli's for MOAR PLEASURE :P



FYI. I was in BlondeAngels throughout the whole beginning of the round. My goal was to last in the top 10 till spies came out. I wouldn't have cared if you raped me to the ground after that. But no, you guys decided to attack me, so I moved, cos I wanted to kill you. You don't need to be in the top alliances to play well, see?

[Amanala]

When I've made mistakes, I can certainly admit to them.

[Cheese]

the only way to stop them winning is for people to stop going "OMG i lost lets moan" is to spend the rest of the round and try to become more knowledgable about the game mechanics, have more wars with other alliances to become more familiarised with the game. The ideology that people need to hold your hand and train you to be a pro just makes me want to vomit. The best get where they are by learning the game and figuring things out for themselves, it is only you who is responsible for your in-game capabilities. Not f0xx, Cyrus, Azzer or me. YOURS

What you say is not without merit. What I've highlighted in red though, is a tad overreactive. I'm not saying people need to be trained up to pro status. But almost everyone laments the small player base of Bush. And if you do not extend some sort of guidance to noobs, they won't stay. If there are more people playing, than the game can be fun even for worthless douchebags like myself who, for reasons such as real life, jobs, kids, etc, can't be your definition of "FTW"...since FTW requires nearly 24/7 activity. No matter how much you demean the n00bs, the fact of the matter is that Bushtarion is not fun when you have no fscking units! It's even less fun when you have a shitload of units, that get mauled by your antiroute, without even firing...and this commonly happens to solo n00bs...who then quit.

You need a larger player base to make bush more fun for everyone. You need casual players to increase your player base (think Ogame or AStroempires, all of which can be played casually and which have large player bases). You also need more players to make bush enjoyable to casual players (so they can attack and grow vs an abundance of targets of similar level). But you can't get more players when casual players don't have fun. Therefore, the bushtarion player base seems to atrophy as fast as it grows. And maybe that's OK.

I'm having fun, for the most part. :)

To be fair these veterans that are winning every round putting alot of effort in aren't actually required to give help to anybody.
We have a helper system for that, if people used it more consistantly they can really get to grips with the game.

I've played since r7, I've portalled on numerous occasions was rank 2 on my 2nd round but now I don't play actively no longer have the time or desire to play, but I still answer any questions requested on the official helper system. Use it and quit moaning to the wrong people when frankly very few of them will care about your moaning

[Polo]

Martin/Kuda/Polo and all their members need to break up and make their own FTW allies with some good and some newish players, i mean i know there are a lot of fluctuation in players but War? Huh?, RRR, and now PB seems to be the same general unstopable members :P

Maybe if some of you e-penis waving hardcore, old timers focused more on training a few noob players each round (and some do) rather than recruiting all the old-school players you can find...in order to have an UBER alliance, things might be more fun. And people that try bush, might actually stay.

Why should I have to play with a bunch of randoms and train them (just as an fyi, I'm not a good teacher :P)? I play this game to have fun. Having fun involves playing with my in-game mates, not some people that I don't know who could be complete tossers.

If someone catches my eye as a good player and/or they seem to be a decent guy and active enough, they will usually get a chance to prove themselves in an alliance I am in (for instance, we recruited icy after he'd played just one round as he was such a nice guy and, a couple of rounds back, we recruited Alcibiades based purely on the facts that I liked his personality on the forums and he was active enough for a decent alliance). I will not, however, recruit people that I know absolutely nothing about.

[Twigley]

Kinda depressing to see the rank 3,4,5,6 alliance's (NO U excluded i think) not defend 3 nights in a row to a single member attacking them, resulting in them being 0d then trained for land.

:/

[Sir Drumalot]

Don't worry SD, my stuff? It's wayyyy over your head. First and foremost, there was no rant. I'm highly amused.

As far as your demand(s) go, I believe a 'stfu' is in order. If you didn't understand, then I wasn't posting to/for you.

Move along citizen.

lmao Garret, your rants are just laughable.. "Don't worry SD, my stuff? It's wayyyy over your head." umm no, you just make no sense mate. If I was to guess what your random babblings are directed towards I would guess it would be the random babblings you spouted at round start. My demands? What are my demands Garrett? Didnt know I made any.. Fact is you're ranting, which is fine, but you're ranting without a cause, which is just pathetic. "LOOK HOW RIGHT I AM!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!! LOLZ!"

How about you shut the **** up before you run the "good" Garrett name through more mud. lol

To be fair these veterans that are winning every round putting alot of effort in aren't actually required to give help to anybody.
We have a helper system for that, if people used it more consistantly they can really get to grips with the game.

I've played since r7, I've portalled on numerous occasions was rank 2 on my 2nd round but now I don't play actively no longer have the time or desire to play, but I still answer any questions requested on the official helper system. Use it and quit moaning to the wrong people when frankly very few of them will care about your moaning

Cheese is an example of its who you know, not what you know but we wont get into that lol. ;P

[harriergirl]

Cheese is an example of its who you know, not what you know but we wont get into that lol. ;P


The first rule of Fight Club ....

[timtadams]

Kinda depressing to see the rank 3,4,5,6 alliance's (NO U excluded i think) not defend 3 nights in a row to a single member attacking them, resulting in them being 0d then trained for land.

:/

Sorry i dont know whether you are in PB or not, but im yet to see less than 4 PB members attack our alliance at once :/ and im night cover too...

then again maybe i missed it :P

[Turnip2k]

Kinda depressing to see the rank 3,4,5,6 alliance's (NO U excluded i think) not defend 3 nights in a row to a single member attacking them, resulting in them being 0d then trained for land.

:/

Not many people care anymore.

[Scorpio]

Kinda depressing to see the rank 3,4,5,6 alliance's (NO U excluded i think) not defend 3 nights in a row to a single member attacking them, resulting in them being 0d then trained for land.

:/

Not many people care anymore.

It's summertime for christ's sake! :P

[Turnip2k]

Exactly! Although the weather right now doesn't scream 'POOL PARTY' to me right now :/

Ah well!

[timtadams]

Kinda depressing to see the rank 3,4,5,6 alliance's (NO U excluded i think) not defend 3 nights in a row to a single member attacking them, resulting in them being 0d then trained for land.

:/

Not many people care anymore.

It's summertime for christ's sake! :P

He said night, over here its winter :P

[Sir Drumalot]

He said night, over here its winter :P

Yup, winter here too. And even when it is summer, I still wont get holidays. :(

Least it wont be **** off cold though.

[Garrett]

snip

Ah, I see. I completely ignored your drivel and postings from last round and you wanted equal face time with 'the man'.

It's cool, kid. I can dig it. However, I never really pulled your chain... and demands? You told me to make it understandable.

So I said stfu, if you can't understand it the first time... move along citizen. That will be the first and only time I clarify anything for you. You seem to have a natural immunity to using the logical side of your brain.

My 'good' name? I have just the 1. Maybe you are talking about perceived e-penis? I don't know. I don't care. I never have.

You sir are nothing more than a flash in the pan from days back, found useful by 1 person that always creates a solid team... and now you are here spouting all kinds of useless info like we were all waiting for your grand return so you could learn us.

Me? I came to be entertained and to laugh.

Now, hopefully, I have satisfied your need for personal attention. This will be the last time I address you or the subject you cannot drop....
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So... no one left to war with? and this thread was unlocked?

Whoever petition for the unlockage is d.u.m.b. as there is no more war as has been posted and there are no BR's to even quibble over :(

boring peoples.

[Astralx2]

snip

So... no one left to war with? and this thread was unlocked?

Whoever petition for the unlockage is d.u.m.b. as there is no more war as has been posted and there are no BR's to even quibble over :(

boring peoples.


I'm quite entertained and surprised by the amount of e-rage coming from this response to the thread.

No more war? such a quick jump to conclusion don't you think? boring peoples? perhaps you're not life of the party around, mate. Other people are having wars amongst themselves and is having fun. Perhaps you're the one missing out. If so, please go and find it instead of whining about "Whoever petition for unlockage is dumb" and spelling out "d.u.m.b.". Nobody care about your boredom, or as a matter of fact, your attention. E-rage over a thread being unlocked much?

Now if you keep civilized, discuss without internal e-rage, and with more constructive thought, perhaps people would care. As of now, your opinion = garbage. No one can build or discuss on what you wrote. You only inflame the thread.

[Alcibiades]

Well in all fairness, it strikes me that the war that this thread was about is over, unless Spit n Swallow has managed to strike back, and if they have, where are the BRs?

If there are other wars going on, there is a whole (mostly empty) forum area for them to post new war threads. This one is (apparently) over and serves no purpose to remaining open. I'd have kept it locked.

Nobody care about your boredom, or as a matter of fact, your attention. E-rage over a thread being unlocked much?

Now if you keep civilized, discuss without internal e-rage, and with more constructive thought, perhaps people would care. As of now, your opinion = garbage. No one can build or discuss on what you wrote. You only inflame the thread.

Quite evidently it must be stated that you seem to care, otherwise why would you have posted?

And whilst you are mocking his contribution you should take a good hard look at your own. Do you add constructive thought or opinions with this post?

To hoist you on your own petard, no one can build or discuss on what you wrote, you only inflame the thread.

[tobapopalos]

Well Garrett had a point. The war this thread was made for has finished, so this thread could quite happily be locked and no-one would care. And it was. But then it was unlocked? Why?

[Mysterious]

I didn't realise it was ever locked tbh :/

[Garrett]

I created an ID for the lulz.

oh man, i was bored, but then I found your post and that you created your ID just to reply to me. i had new laughs.

i appreciate the sentiment, but it's unnecessary. no need to flatter me further. also, alci and toby have summed it up pretty good.

[Cyrus]

Garret, GTFO, this thread is nothing to do with you, and you still bring your usual E-penis bollocks.

my dicks bigger than yours, so what you gonna do about that, absolutely nothing because i live in england and your in your command centre in the U.S of Aaaiiiii dont give a flying rats bollock

you pick a fight with everyone for no reason, we bent over and took a ramming from PB, i actually think there's no flaming from us who got bummed and more flaming and whos got the biggest bellend from others

K-Ching!

[Mysterious]

Pardon? I have no idea what you were trying to say in that second bit.

[tobapopalos]

*sigh*

It's just Cyrus talking bollocks as usual, Freddy. I know it's hard but just try and pretend he doesn't exist.

[Cyrus]

and you :)

[Garrett]

http://frankroman.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/white-gangsta.jpg

rock on.

anytime you want to read what i've posted, feel free to do so. it makes conversations so much more relevant.

[Martin]

Now the thread has died a death, well done gents.