OldFarts have gone to Bed.

[Dark_Angel]

Thoughts on this?

I know mine. Why?

The only thing I can come up with is that they're hoping S2N and Enmity war it out while they're in sleep. That'd be a pretty lame reason - if that is the case.

[Nickk]

Thoughts on this?

I know mine. Why?

The only thing I can come up with is that they're hoping S2N and Enmity war it out while they're in sleep. That'd be a pretty lame reason - if that is the case.

Lol is it because you know you aint gonna war? jokes
But seriously i think Old Farts have hit the spot tatically.

[pinpower]

The only thing I can come up with is that they're hoping S2N and Enmity war it out while they're in sleep. That'd be a pretty lame reason - if that is the case.

If that is the reason it wont work. You guys will just wait until they come out of sleep...

[Dark_Angel]

Thoughts on this?

I know mine. Why?

The only thing I can come up with is that they're hoping S2N and Enmity war it out while they're in sleep. That'd be a pretty lame reason - if that is the case.

Lol is it because you know you aint gonna war? jokes
But seriously i think Old Farts have hit the spot tatically.

I can't comment on this issue specifically - however if I led Enmity or S2N I'd contact the other leader and arrange a sNap just to spite OF. If that IS OF's reasoning for hitting sleep, we're speculating at this stage.

[Nitrous]

Just why would you start an unnecessary argument DA. :|

State what you think. And just leave it, no need to flame others who haven't even posted in the thread. Think thats a bit unfair and harsh.

But back on topic.

I think maybe laziness could of kicked in? :P

But seriously, I do think its because they'd rather have S2N vs Enmity and take on the winner. Or something to that effect. But do not rule out the laziness factors. Old Farts always get others to do the dirty work! (I.e. Get others to wipe their asses, feed em, etc.) :P

[Twigley]

So much for em not caring this round o_O

Edit: DA, Melni left Enmity?

[Old Fart]

Oh Dear - It appears we've been beaten to the punch by DA.

Enmity and S2N are snapped.
They will use any excuse to remain so.
My advice to all players in there range, take a short holiday in protest.
Hit sleep, put your feet up, shag your girlfriend/boyfriend, enjoy some sun, and send the message to the creator of this game; He must step in, and deal with Twigley and JJ and how there alliances chose to behave these last 2 rounds (if not longer).

We in OF are....

Actually we are playing Travian.
(much more laid back game)
Sever 9
Direction NW
Mail Judas81 for alliance details.
I know random plug, but we are having a blast - Azzer have you played? DS is right - alot of great ideas that could spark thoughts on Bush improvements.

OF will be back shortly, with the expectation that S2N/Enmity will zero and land rape us.

Sleepmode is merely a protest.
Apologises to the two in OF who couldn't get online :(

@Twigley - We Do Care - never claimed we didn't, we just aren't playing for the win but apparently neither are you so it's all good, all the time.

[pinpower]

...however if I led Enmity or S2N I'd contact the other leader and arrange a sNap just to spite OF...

I can understand wanting to spite them in a way BUT

World: Time gone: 56.72 days. Time left: 19.28 days.

There isnt THAT long left, why wait around...if you truly are going to fight it out between yourselves then surely now is a pretty good time. OF cant interfere (not saying they would but they COULD) so you are free to fight it out 1 on 1.

Then OF comes out of sleep and the winner can take them on! Just seems in a round where things havnt actually stagnated at the top it would be a shame to "snap" just in an effort to spite someone.

Hope that makes sense, i had to get up really early this morning so my mind is still fuzzy! ;P
Just my thoughts as an outsider to all the goings on...

[Turnip2k]

This short break is lovely! Things have been a bit hectic recently, so taking a break is definately a good call for such a senile alliance.

It's just about the only way to take time out without feeling guilty :)

Personally, I don't expect the top two to break their little SNAP. I'm just enjoying the guilt free time off in the sun :)

[aGit]

Thoughts on this?

I know mine. Why?

The only thing I can come up with is that they're hoping S2N and Enmity war it out while they're in sleep. That'd be a pretty lame reason - if that is the case.

if that is the real reason, how can you possibly call it lame? even you should see the brilliance behind it! as far as tactics go, it'd beat the living daylights out of snaping your way to the top.

or would you have prefered they just laid down their arms and fed you some more land? christ...now go and bash s2n!

[Shadow]

yeah Melnibone left OF's about a week ago althou im sure he will appear at some point to comment on DA being a retard or something :P

sleepmode is fun :D i get to go out and not get called online to stop a Enmity and S2N bash/LET rush which is quite nice :D

[Shadow]

Thoughts on this?

I know mine. Why?

The only thing I can come up with is that they're hoping S2N and Enmity war it out while they're in sleep. That'd be a pretty lame reason - if that is the case.

Lol is it because you know you aint gonna war? jokes
But seriously i think Old Farts have hit the spot tatically.

I can't comment on this issue specifically - however if I led Enmity or S2N I'd contact the other leader and arrange a sNap just to spite OF. If that IS OF's reasoning for hitting sleep, we're speculating at this stage.

No doubt Melni will come on post something obscure/vague and say something like: "I don't respect you, so I'm not going to tell you."

you say that as if Enmity and S2N dont already have a Snap going on.

sorry for double post never noticed wot he wrote as i just wrote it off as the usual DarkAngel BS :s

[IceOfFire]

DA you have made yourself look rather stupid here! As the pair of you have claimed your not in a snap situation be interesting to how it plays out!

You guys may actually have to have a hard war now a FTW vs a FTW. Not bullying us FTF alliances.

As people have said above...tactics were brilliant in my opinion, we cant interfere with your war. It's 1v1 or im sure Azzer may step in as he promised.

00:01:34: IoF : I honestly bet you don't attack Twigley!
00:01:47: JJ : How much BC? :p
00:01:53: IoF : 5
00:02:13: JJ : Okay, you're on :p
00:02:23: IoF : We'll see
00:02:34: JJ : Btw, might wanna check your HQ :P

(Before anyone says it, yes the names were added in as it didnt copy right, but yes its a real convo)

Let's see some war while us oldies take a long nap! :D


Conversation between me and JJ. Hopefully this can help light some fires :D

[Khris]

lol... s2ns name cracks me up...


it should have been "second to one"


but anywayze. Sorry to ruin everyones round. we are too old and tired. We will let the kids FIGHT it out.... lol... isnt that a joke.


happy 4th of july... wooo... see you monday

[IceOfFire]

Like my signature says: "Second to none or Second to JJ"

haha

[Alcibiades]

DA you, as a forum mod, should be ashamed of posting such a deliberately trolling thread that is borderline on sparking another unnecessary flame war.

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

DA: Appalling that you would SNAP in spite of that action, that's a pretty crappy way to play the game. Then you simply feed ammunition to those who would accuse S2N and Enmity of SNAPping and further fan the flames of the dislike much of hte playerbase shares against S2N and Enmity. Appalling tactics, appalling idea, crappy playing. Tsk Tsk....

[IceOfFire]

DA you, as a forum mod, should be ashamed of posting such a deliberately trolling thread that is borderline on sparking another unnecessary flame war.

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

DA: Appalling that you would SNAP in spite of that action, that's a pretty crappy way to play the game. Then you simply feed ammunition to those who would accuse S2N and Enmity of SNAPping and further fan the flames of the dislike much of hte playerbase shares against S2N and Enmity. Appalling tactics, appalling idea, crappy playing. Tsk Tsk....

Alci, it's because the 2 alliances do not want to go to war.

But i have a PM with Azzer...Seems things could get interesting from what he tells me. Seems some very interesting ideas could be in put if the 2 don't war :D

I half want them to be in put and them not war haha

[Alcibiades]

DA you, as a forum mod, should be ashamed of posting such a deliberately trolling thread that is borderline on sparking another unnecessary flame war.

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

DA: Appalling that you would SNAP in spite of that action, that's a pretty crappy way to play the game. Then you simply feed ammunition to those who would accuse S2N and Enmity of SNAPping and further fan the flames of the dislike much of hte playerbase shares against S2N and Enmity. Appalling tactics, appalling idea, crappy playing. Tsk Tsk....

Alci, it's because the 2 alliances do not want to go to war.

But i have a PM with Azzer...Seems things could get interesting from what he tells me. Seems some very interesting ideas could be in put if the 2 don't war :D

I half want them to be in put and them not war haha

I wouldn't want to speculate on their opinions, but if they don't want to war they can quite definitely just sit on their acres til round end. One hopes Twigley wouldn't settle for second place; because then we should petition Azzer to change the Enmity alliance name to 'None' since then Twigley's ally would be appropriately named.

If they really don't want to war, this SM idea won't force them into it; however it might reveal their intentions. I would be very disappointed if they don't war, especially after all the hard work RRR put in to make sure the round didn't stagnate it would be very sad to witness the stagnation perpetrated by those others.

If they don't war, i hope they get RMmed and Gov't Land farmers :D

[IceOfFire]

DA you, as a forum mod, should be ashamed of posting such a deliberately trolling thread that is borderline on sparking another unnecessary flame war.

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

DA: Appalling that you would SNAP in spite of that action, that's a pretty crappy way to play the game. Then you simply feed ammunition to those who would accuse S2N and Enmity of SNAPping and further fan the flames of the dislike much of hte playerbase shares against S2N and Enmity. Appalling tactics, appalling idea, crappy playing. Tsk Tsk....

Alci, it's because the 2 alliances do not want to go to war.

But i have a PM with Azzer...Seems things could get interesting from what he tells me. Seems some very interesting ideas could be in put if the 2 don't war :D

I half want them to be in put and them not war haha

I wouldn't want to speculate on their opinions, but if they don't want to war they can quite definitely just sit on their acres til round end. One hopes Twigley wouldn't settle for second place; because then we should petition Azzer to change the Enmity alliance name to 'None' since then Twigley's ally would be appropriately named.

If they really don't want to war, this SM idea won't force them into it; however it might reveal their intentions. I would be very disappointed if they don't war, especially after all the hard work RRR put in to make sure the round didn't stagnate it would be very sad to witness the stagnation perpetrated by those others.

If they don't war, i hope they get RMmed and Gov't Land farmers :D

Oh no Alci...Azzer told me his intentions if they dont war...Much better than that!!

Ill PM you the convo now

[Alcibiades]

Rawr, Cheers :D

[Twigley]

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

So far my only reaction to this is (Im just covering all angles - i have no evidence to any of it im just saying in every sitatuin what my reaction would be):

* OF are doing this just to have a shot at rank 1, as thats all they care about - their score - like i think they have done all round - therefore should i wait and kill OF with Enmity to spite them back as they are trying to do to us.

* OF dont care about rank 1, however have done this then proceeded to call my alliance Second to One etc, thinking this will provoke some reaction when infact it has made me hate OF even more and want to bash them senseless.

* OF have pulled a Fail (The aliance) and all hit sleepmode like pussies. All ive seen is how this is a war game so this must just be out of spite surely? Then proceed to opinion 2.



So that's OF, RRR and Fail that have all hit sleep this round.

Fail got called pussies - when the others did it - it was called a tactic.

* Giggles * :D


-


On a seperate note i find it funny how everyone has to know the intentions of an alliance now and will continue to send me 15-20 pms in IRC asking me.
I do however care about my alliance players who you all seem to have forgot about

[Alcibiades]

Where's the angle that covers the part where you and Enmity fight it out? In the interests of covering all the angles, let`s put that one on the board, shall we?

I am reserving this spot to address your further concerns in just a moment. Have to do some chores, back soon! Keep watching tthis space!

Well if you were only addressing the angles from OF perhaps it would've been kind to say so, rather than mislead a gullible little Canadian :(

Sleepmode may be a pussy move; but in this case it's quite clever, it forces you to act, or it forces you to get acted upon by certain Admins who don't like to see, what essentially amounts to a powerblock. I'm not saying it is exactly a powerblock, but two alliances rank 1 and 2 who work together is powerblock-ish. An SNAP only further cements that feeling. OF was of the opinion that you were SNAPped, or at least working together, and why should they have any cause to doubt that? You have been working together more often than not all round (not that that's a bad thing, it's simply a statement of fact) and you have also in past rounds worked together hand in glove. This isn't just a one off situation, it's a grand picture taking in the fact that you guys tend to work together to defeat your enemies (kudos) and then recently there hasn't been much evidence of you two taking a war to each other.

I'm not saying there isn't any chance for it to happen, or indeed even that you are planning on being SNAPped, but it would be shameful for you two just to sit there til round end and not war. You are free to choose to do as you like, but be aware that there are consequences for your actions and that when you continue to complain that your reputation is 'hard done by' as powerblockers, and SNAPpers etc, remember there is a basis for this accusation, you guys have done it before, and it's not a hard leap of imagination to figure you'll do it again.

Prove us wrong, don't harass us in forums, prove us wrong in the game :) Show us a war, give us the war we've all been waiting for!

[Turnip2k]

Call it what you want mate - I'm enjoying time off with no strings attached!

Weather or not you guys break your little SNAP is of no concern to me, nor is gaining rank 1. The ally felt like we needed a break, and given the situation of the round right now, this was a pretty good time to have it.

Back to BBQing without fear of getting pranked. RAWR!

[Twigley]

Where's the angle that covers the part where you and Enmity fight it out? In the interests of covering all the angles, let`s put that one on the board, shall we?

I am reserving this spot to address your further concerns in just a moment. Have to do some chores, back soon! Keep watching tthis space!

Im covering all angels in response to what OF just did and to the alliance OF ONLY.
They are the ones who have made this pussy move.

[IceOfFire]

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

So far my only reaction to this is (Im just covering all angles - i have no evidence to any of it im just saying in every sitatuin what my reaction would be):

* OF are doing this just to have a shot at rank 1, as thats all they care about - their score - like i think they have done all round - therefore should i wait and kill OF with Enmity to spite them back as they are trying to do to us.

* OF dont care about rank 1, however have done this then proceeded to call my alliance Second to One etc, thinking this will provoke some reaction when infact it has made me hate OF even more and want to bash them senseless.

* OF have pulled a Fail (The aliance) and all hit sleepmode like pussies. All ive seen is how this is a war game so this must just be out of spite surely? Then proceed to opinion 2.



So that's OF, RRR and Fail that have all hit sleep this round.

Fail got called pussies - when the others did it - it was called a tactic.

* Giggles * :D

few quick points Twignaab

If we want rank 1, why would we hit sleep?

1. Enmity (who would win the war out of S2N and En) will be much bigger, huge land advantage, troop advantage and be waiting for us...how would that help us get rank 1? We'd be pwned so quickly!!

2. Of course we want to see you 2 alliances war, and that is one of the main reasons why we hit sleep. But there is an evening bigger reason why we hit sleep. To do with us as an alliance. I know a few know it and it'll prob come out in a while i imagine as these things always do. (Dont say im lying, of course i want a S2N war and Enmity war, but there is another bigger reason we hit sleep)

3. If you guys don't war, Azzer has said he will get involved, and i know his plans. So if we do come out of sleep when ever that is and you haven't then you could be in danger, or even the smaller alliances in size could prob do a lot of damage before we even got out!

4. Don't try and do this "to spite OF" we know you dont want to hit Enmity because they are bigger, more land, more troops and would IMHO pwn you guys. You just want to save you special Second to JJ alliance an ass kicking by doing it to "spite us". Just to save face and not be pwned. If JJ doesnt hit you guys (which he promised me 5 BCs he would) then a very fun and open round has been ruined again. And for the second time...you have become JJs *****!

I don't expect you to war, i honestly think you'll bottle it or come up with another plan to just sit till the end. If thats what happens...i'm so glad im quitting.

[IceOfFire]

Where's the angle that covers the part where you and Enmity fight it out? In the interests of covering all the angles, let`s put that one on the board, shall we?

I am reserving this spot to address your further concerns in just a moment. Have to do some chores, back soon! Keep watching tthis space!

Im covering all angels in response to what OF just did and to the alliance OF ONLY.
They are the ones who have made this pussy move.

Pussy move of sleep? Pretty sure you've done this before in previous rounds!? (If not my bad but im 80% sure you have)

And what would of happened if we hadn't hit sleep Twigs? You and JJ would have warred? Or held hands and "accidently" raped the **** out of us??

You've got a long wait till you see us again! :D

[Twigley]

IoF, i just went and warred with Aili.

What have OF and Enmity done?

Nothing.
Why didn't you two have a proper war instead of a bit of rushing that was nothing?

Why didn't you two war while us and Aili warred?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with that?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact S2N and OF havn't warred recently apart from a few silly hits?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact that Discworld is not currently hitting RRR - i see a powerblock there too.
Why did OF never properly war with Aili untill S2N broke em? Where is Azzer there?
Why did Aili only hit Enmity once after OF, then proceed to tell JJ they wont hit them if they help against S2N? Where was Azzer then?

Azzer like other sensible people in this thread, realise there is a difference between a powerblock and timing.

[Turnip2k]

All of your questions about OF can be answered pretty easily.

We weren't active enough.

That is part of the reason we decided to take a break :)

As for other situations, none are as dubious as the s2n / emnity one. Sorry Twigs, but the past WILL come and bite you in the ass.

[Iamsmart]

azzer like other sensible people in this thread, realise there is a difference between a powerblock and timing.

qft.

[IceOfFire]

IoF, i just went and warred with Aili.

What have OF and Enmity done?

Nothing.
Why didn't you two have a proper war instead of a bit of rushing that was nothing?

Why didn't you two war while us and Aili warred?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with that?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact S2N and OF havn't warred apart from a few silly hits?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact that Discworld is not currently hitting RRR - i see a powerblock there too.
Why did OF never properly war with Aili untill S2N broke em? Where is Azzer there?
Why did Aili only hit Enmity once after OF, then proceed to tell JJ they wont hit them if they help against S2N? Where was Azzer then?

Man you just made yourself look very stupid!! - Also funny how you did have any response to lets say...90% of my comments :D

Secondly, En and OF warred for 2 days, yea we had few BRs but we still warred! All round OF has fought with who ever they like and thats the way this alliance runs. Not scared to hit another alliance...Try it some time?

Next you warred with a FTF alliance...Really not that hard a thing to do is it! Feel proud do you? Stealing their bigger members...taking RRRs biggest members...Worried Enm are coming are we? :D Think you'll take some size on board to help you!

Well Azzer spoke to me and told me he would get involved, so dont question me Twignaab.

Also your point about why he would get involve...let me think

1. EULA - Pretty sure its illegal to block the TOP
2. Your close friendship
3. Worked together all round
4. I think you may have worked together in the past? (Not sure on that one)
5. Your refusal to hit them now with your "lets spite OF"
6. The fact we all know you were never going to hit En

Let's see what happens :D

[MattM]

IoF, i just went and warred with Aili.

What have OF and Enmity done?

Nothing.
Why didn't you two have a proper war instead of a bit of rushing that was nothing?

Why didn't you two war while us and Aili warred?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with that?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact S2N and OF havn't warred recently apart from a few silly hits?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact that Discworld is not currently hitting RRR - i see a powerblock there too.
Why did OF never properly war with Aili untill S2N broke em? Where is Azzer there?
Why did Aili only hit Enmity once after OF, then proceed to tell JJ they wont hit them if they help against S2N? Where was Azzer then?

Azzer like other sensible people in this thread, realise there is a difference between a powerblock and timing.

Seriously Twigs, you need to take a little reality check here...

[Twigley]

And this is the exact reason so many top players are quiting this round.
Hyped up jerks like you IOF who are two faced.

One moment it's all happy in PM and the next it's flaming on the forums.

Azzer can do what he likes - already 1 person quit and people are quiting over him trying to get involved earlier in the round.

His game has a community that is a bag of wank anyway so it's not as if you can't expect losers crying when things don't go their way again.

EDIT - AND BECAUSE YOU GUY'S SEE EVERYTHING IN BLACK AND WHITE- THE QUESTIONS WHY OTHER ALLIES DIDNT HIT EACH OTHER WAS A BLOODY JOKE. YEAH IT'S RIDICILOUS ISNT IT? LIKE - LOL AT THOSE POINTS I MADE? IT'S AS FUNNY AS THE ONES YOU ARE MAKING. <- My point. Love how 2 people quoted it, and only reading it in black and white. Maybe bold and caps will help.

[Turnip2k]

You got people riled up because of last round. To do ANYTHING resembling what happened last round is bound to get a large response from the community. You should have expected that. It's just bad judgement to think it would go any other way.

[IceOfFire]

And this is the exact reason so many top players are quiting this round.
Hyped up jerks like you IOF who are two faced.

One moment it's all happy in PM and the next it's flaming on the forums.

Azzer can do what he likes - already 1 person quit and people are quiting over him trying to get involved earlier in the round.

His game has a community that is a bag of wank anyway so it's not as if you can't expect losers crying when things don't go their way again.

EDIT - AND BECAUSE YOU GUY'S SEE EVERYTHING IN BLACKAND WHITE- THE QUESTIONS WHY OTHER ALLIES DIDNT HIT EACH OTHER WAS A BLOODY JOKE. YEAH IT'S RIDICILOUS ISNT IT? LIKE - LOL AT THOSE POINTS I MADE? IT'S AS FUNNY AS THE ONES YOU ARE MAKING. <- My point. Love how 2 people quoted it, and only reading it in black and white. Maybe bold and caps will help.

Twigs made this clear. As a player i hate you with a passion. Out of game your a nice bloke who i like to chat with. Always said that! I still love you!

But again, funny how you don't reply to any of my comments and points, just call me a hyped us jerk. I get the impression you know im right and your trying your best to divert attention. Oh well.

Let's just see what happens hey!

[Twigley]

Let's just see what happens hey!

Oh, a bit of sense instead of ruining the image of 19 other players rather than just me.

Let's.

[IceOfFire]

Let's just see what happens hey!

Oh, a bit of sense instead of ruining the image of 19 other players rather than just me.

Let's.

To be fair...i have said 3 times now...Let's see what happens!

Reading my posts properly?

Anyway...still love you Twignaabs

[Dark_Angel]

DA you, as a forum mod, should be ashamed of posting such a deliberately trolling thread that is borderline on sparking another unnecessary flame war.

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

DA: Appalling that you would SNAP in spite of that action, that's a pretty crappy way to play the game. Then you simply feed ammunition to those who would accuse S2N and Enmity of SNAPping and further fan the flames of the dislike much of hte playerbase shares against S2N and Enmity. Appalling tactics, appalling idea, crappy playing. Tsk Tsk....

I feel its a crappy way to play the game to take an entire alliance into sleep to take yourself out of the War equation.

I am in Enmity - I can tell everyone, quite honestly, that Enmity are not and have not been snapped with S2N.

I've seen discussions on IRC, and in politics, regarding which alliance to focus our efforts on, or whether to play a defensive game.

I think what a lot of people are confusing here is the fact that Enmity now look to be playing a defensive game. We've not declared War, or for that matter sent anything but randoms on OF/S2N.

OF have concluded that we're snapped with S2N, which we're not, and have thus hit sleep to try and get us to war it out.

JJ/Twigley may decide to war it out, I've no idea, S2N/Enmity may even feel reassured by the fact that OF are out of the equation and that they can fight 1v1, fairly.

I think this is, again, a case of OF being lazy. The "Lets let everyone else War it out so we can sit, grow fat and come out on top because everyone else has died fighting", stance. They've tried a few waves on Enmity - our defensive walls held strong, and to my knowledge we've not lost a single acre to OF during mass-attacks from them. They decided they couldn't break us, and have now hit sleep - because as with the resistance, doing nothing as an alliance suits them best.

Nothing against that, OF, if thats your choice of play thats just how it is. I very much doubt, however, its going to get you very far.

[Azzer]

Vaguely on subject, I further added to the tooltip that pops up in the new alliance vs alliance combat stats, a "% of involvement".

So load up an alliance page, hover over one of their enemies, and you can see a "% of involvement" for land, kills, and bribes - compare that to "% of involvement" for other large allies around their range, and you will get a very good idea of how much "activity" there has been between them - ie is it a minor amount of privately agreed activity designed to try and avoid the new rules (because 0 activity would have been too obvious), or are they fighting like any two other alliances that have been near eachother all round have been?

The % is a % of the grand total - eg if an alliance has lost & gained a total of 500,000 land against other allies... and only 10,000 of it lost/stolen was from alliance X... then their % of land involvement with alliance X will be 2%.

I'm making no comments about any specific examples, merely informing people of a new tool available in-game and one way that information may or may not be helpful.

[moorer]

My my, seeing all the rhetoric in this thread just reinforces my view that it was an excellent move for us to take this short break.

Please remember that OF was formed as a fun alliance being a group of friends looking to have a good time together with as much or as little activity as we wanted.

As it turns out we did better than we expected and our rise up the rankings led to a natural increase in activity as the old blood started to rush round our veins.

However a combination of circumstances, holidays, family commitments and just plain old tiredness led to the collective decision we needed a break.

There were several members weren't entirely happy at the decision but we play as a group and they went with the collective decision and I respect them all the more for it, its no fun being barracked for a decision you don't fully agree with.

Are Twigley and JJ in cahoots, I don't know, only they know for certain, will they fight for rank 1, I don't know again only they know that.

Me? i am just enjoying the free time and an early night for a couple of days.

You guys have fun and remember this is just a game :D

[IceOfFire]

DA you, as a forum mod, should be ashamed of posting such a deliberately trolling thread that is borderline on sparking another unnecessary flame war.

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

DA: Appalling that you would SNAP in spite of that action, that's a pretty crappy way to play the game. Then you simply feed ammunition to those who would accuse S2N and Enmity of SNAPping and further fan the flames of the dislike much of hte playerbase shares against S2N and Enmity. Appalling tactics, appalling idea, crappy playing. Tsk Tsk....

I feel its a crappy way to play the game to take an entire alliance into sleep to take yourself out of the War equation.

I am in Enmity - I can tell everyone, quite honestly, that Enmity are not and have not been snapped with S2N.

I've seen discussions on IRC, and in politics, regarding which alliance to focus our efforts on, or whether to play a defensive game.

I think what a lot of people are confusing here is the fact that Enmity now look to be playing a defensive game. We've not declared War, or for that matter sent anything but randoms on OF/S2N.

OF have concluded that we're snapped with S2N, which we're not, and have thus hit sleep to try and get us to war it out.

JJ/Twigley may decide to war it out, I've no idea, S2N/Enmity may even feel reassured by the fact that OF are out of the equation and that they can fight 1v1, fairly.

I think this is, again, a case of OF being lazy. The "Lets let everyone else War it out so we can sit, grow fat and come out on top because everyone else has died fighting", stance. They've tried a few waves on Enmity - our defensive walls held strong, and to my knowledge we've not lost a single acre to OF during mass-attacks from them. They decided they couldn't break us, and have now hit sleep - because as with the resistance, doing nothing as an alliance suits them best.

Nothing against that, OF, if thats your choice of play thats just how it is. I very much doubt, however, its going to get you very far.

Just want to make sure i understand this...

1. Your going on the Defensive? - As in your not going to hit S2N...Didn't see that coming..."defensive" haha nice way around the problem!

2. RRR originally had the round won...why? We took out our enemies! We didn't sit around and risk it! Same with most past round! So Why are Enmity going to risk their rank 1 on sitting around on the "defensive".


Haha any excuse. I'm really done with this game, you guys really make it boring! We hit sleep so you can do what ever you like with no fear and yet your going to go on the defensive...Roll on end of round...Roll on retirement!

[Dark_Angel]

My opinions are my own, IoF, they do not reflect those of JJ - or any other Enmity member.

Understand, its very difficult to take anything you say in this thread seriously. You're are OF. You want to fuel war between S2N/Enmity, and you want it to make it look like we're sNapped formally so we're forced into battle.

Why? Because you want to come out of sleep with one less foe and a wounded, less able enemy that you've a better chance of killing.

(IMO ;) )

What I'm saying is that I find that cowardly and queen-like. And that if I had any power in either alliance I'd snap just to piss you all off ;) :P

I have no sway, though, and what happens between s2n and Enmity, quite simply, happens.

[Twigley]

Looks like there was more damage done between S2N and Enmity than OF and Aili all round.

You guys better hope it IS a bug :D

[IceOfFire]

What I'm saying is that I find that cowardly and queen-like. And that if I had any power in either alliance I'd snap just to piss you all off ;) :P

1. Cowardly like a 60 man power block! haha walked into that one! You have no leg to stand on with that one - pow

2. Snap away...as i said before i wouldnt mind it. After my conversation with Azzer, i kind of want you to nap! Would be so ****ing funny AND the round would open up a treat if you snapped!

4 or 5 people have seen my conversation with Azzer now and have all replied saying "Best idea ever" or "i hope they nap"

So im not fussed DA! :D

[tobapopalos]

Looks like there was more damage done between S2N and Enmity than OF and Aili all round.

You guys better hope it IS a bug :D

What stats are you looking at? From where I'm sitting it says there were more kills between OF and Ailihphilia, and more land exchanged.

[Twigley]

Looks like there was more damage done between S2N and Enmity than OF and Aili all round.

You guys better hope it IS a bug :D

What stats are you looking at? From where I'm sitting it says there were more kills between OF and Ailihphilia, and more land exchanged.

Oh yeah so i see i was wrong.
It's still a very small amount lol ;)
Most of which was done after they pigged our attacks on you guys :D

[Khris]

haha.. its ok..


i always let my girlfriend win when we play games too...

[Turnip2k]

Such as catch?

Genital warts? :P


I feel its a crappy way to play the game to take an entire alliance into sleep to take yourself out of the War equation.

.....


I think this is, again, a case of OF being lazy. The "Lets let everyone else War it out so we can sit, grow fat and come out on top because everyone else has died fighting", stance. They've tried a few waves on Enmity - our defensive walls held strong, and to my knowledge we've not lost a single acre to OF during mass-attacks from them. They decided they couldn't break us, and have now hit sleep - because as with the resistance, doing nothing as an alliance suits them best.

Nothing against that, OF, if thats your choice of play thats just how it is. I very much doubt, however, its going to get you very far.

WE ARE LAZY. WE FULLY ADMIT TO IT! That is why we are in sleep mode.

You dont seem to be understanding this. We dont care about rank 1. Therefore we are perfectly entitled to take a break when we want to, which is now.

If you two want to war (Which i doubt) fair enough, either way I dont care. We are probably going to get bashed into the ground when we are out of sleep mode weather it be from S2N and emnity, or a much larger s2n / emnity after having won the war.

As for 'choice of play' and it 'getting us far', we want to enjoy ourselves. Hitting sleep mode facilitated this on the whole. Activity slumped, and no one wanted to do much anymore, so its better we take some time out :)

[Martin]

OF hitting sleep so all their guys wake up at the same time, and they then hit one of you hard when you don't expect it?

*shrugs*

[Davis]

I can't comment on this issue specifically - however if I led Enmity or S2N I'd contact the other leader and arrange a sNap just to spite OF. If that IS OF's reasoning for hitting sleep, we're speculating at this stage.


Words of weakness. Enmity fears S2N and knows they would lose in a war, so they are hoping for a sNap to secure their win, but I'd imagine due to S2N's name they will not end this round holding hands with rank one but instead they will live up to their name, Second To NONE, and pillage Enmity.

[Hobo]

let me get this right....

The admin of this game is saying to the rank three ally what he is going to do if rank 1 and 2 dont kill each other. Which from what IoF is saying is basically kill the two of them/ take all land or what ever.

Therefore allowing rank 3 to win i guess? so not in fact opening up the round but merely giving the win to a sleeping ally that is three time the size of any below it when i think that this is supposed to be a war game and S2n and Em would get killed for not warring?. Surely Sleep mode isnt warring either?

Jesus, whats he gonna do if Em and S2n go into sleep as well? Rape Ailihphilia for not fighting with Boat or Discworld.....

IoF you really saying Azzer is feeding information to your ally?

[Dark_Angel]

let me get this right....

The admin of this game is saying to the rank three ally what he is going to do if rank 1 and 2 dont kill each other. Which from what IoF is saying is basically kill the two of them/ take all land or what ever.

Therefore allowing rank 3 to win i guess? so not in fact opening up the round but merely giving the win to a sleeping ally that is three time the size of any below it when i think that this is supposed to be a war game and S2n and Em would get killed for not warring?. Surely Sleep mode isnt warring either?

Jesus, whats he gonna do if Em and S2n go into sleep as well? Rape Ailihphilia for not fighting with Boat or Discworld.....

IoF you really saying Azzer is feeding information to your ally?


Aye.

IoF, Enmity/S2N arent snapped, GL proving that if you believe that to be the case.

Admin stepping in because "not enough warring is going on" is a political minefield. I don't know if Enmity are going to hit S2N in the near future, or vice versa, but IMO before admin takes action, if any, OF should be forced out of sleep to face the music - Rather than hiding with their tails between their legs in sleep mode.

[MattM]

Looks like there was more damage done between S2N and Enmity than OF and Aili all round.

You guys better hope it IS a bug :D

What stats are you looking at? From where I'm sitting it says there were more kills between OF and Ailihphilia, and more land exchanged.

Oh yeah so i see i was wrong.
It's still a very small amount lol ;)
Most of which was done after they pigged our attacks on you guys :D

This round has been plagued with piggying. OF & Enm being the worst culprits. I don't like it as a tactic, I don't like it at all.

[MattM]

Vaguely on subject, I further added to the tooltip that pops up in the new alliance vs alliance combat stats, a "% of involvement".

So load up an alliance page, hover over one of their enemies, and you can see a "% of involvement" for land, kills, and bribes - compare that to "% of involvement" for other large allies around their range, and you will get a very good idea of how much "activity" there has been between them - ie is it a minor amount of privately agreed activity designed to try and avoid the new rules (because 0 activity would have been too obvious), or are they fighting like any two other alliances that have been near eachother all round have been?

The % is a % of the grand total - eg if an alliance has lost & gained a total of 500,000 land against other allies... and only 10,000 of it lost/stolen was from alliance X... then their % of land involvement with alliance X will be 2%.

I'm making no comments about any specific examples, merely informing people of a new tool available in-game and one way that information may or may not be helpful.

With the original RRR no longer there, all these stats are skewed anyway?

[Drakonius]

let me get this right....

The admin of this game is saying to the rank three ally what he is going to do if rank 1 and 2 dont kill each other. Which from what IoF is saying is basically kill the two of them/ take all land or what ever.

Therefore allowing rank 3 to win i guess? so not in fact opening up the round but merely giving the win to a sleeping ally that is three time the size of any below it when i think that this is supposed to be a war game and S2n and Em would get killed for not warring?. Surely Sleep mode isnt warring either?

Jesus, whats he gonna do if Em and S2n go into sleep as well? Rape Ailihphilia for not fighting with Boat or Discworld.....

IoF you really saying Azzer is feeding information to your ally?


Aye.

IoF, Enmity/S2N arent snapped, GL proving that if you believe that to be the case.

Admin stepping in because "not enough warring is going on" is a political minefield. I don't know if Enmity are going to hit S2N in the near future, or vice versa, but IMO before admin takes action, if any, OF should be forced out of sleep to face the music - Rather than hiding with their tails between their legs in sleep mode.

ok so based on what you have said maybe we need to eliminate sleep mode.

ATTENTION to all current and past Bushtarion player:
For all those who have used sleep mode now and in past rounds you were merely hiding with your tails between your legs. In other words you all are a pussies.

[pinpower]

let me get this right....

The admin of this game is saying to the rank three ally what he is going to do if rank 1 and 2 dont kill each other. Which from what IoF is saying is basically kill the two of them/ take all land or what ever.

Therefore allowing rank 3 to win i guess? so not in fact opening up the round but merely giving the win to a sleeping ally that is three time the size of any below it when i think that this is supposed to be a war game and S2n and Em would get killed for not warring?. Surely Sleep mode isnt warring either?

Jesus, whats he gonna do if Em and S2n go into sleep as well? Rape Ailihphilia for not fighting with Boat or Discworld.....

IoF you really saying Azzer is feeding information to your ally?


Aye.

IoF, Enmity/S2N arent snapped, GL proving that if you believe that to be the case.

Admin stepping in because "not enough warring is going on" is a political minefield. I don't know if Enmity are going to hit S2N in the near future, or vice versa, but IMO before admin takes action, if any, OF should be forced out of sleep to face the music - Rather than hiding with their tails between their legs in sleep mode.

Im sorry DA but thats mental!

Say what you want about going into sleep to avoid having to fight (from any pov...taking some time off, waiting it out etc etc) but why should they be forced to fight? They arent winning by staying in sleep...Firstly they had a few members zeroed as far as i was told as they couldnt make it into sleep and when they come out hopefully there will have been a fight between Enmity and S2N and the winner will be even bigger and just rape them to the ground anyway.

And i think "not enough warring is going on" is an understatement. I think its just lucky for you guys that you could use the cover of the "resistance" tag for so long.

[tobapopalos]

ATTENTION to all current and past Bushtarion player:
For all those who have used sleep mode now and in past rounds you were merely hiding with your tails between your legs. In other words you all are a pussies.

I'd actually agree with that! :P

[Melnibone]

So much for em not caring this round o_O

Edit: DA, Melni left Enmity?

Sorry guys read this entire thread didnt see my name mentioned once did it get edited out?

[Alcibiades]

ATTENTION to all current and past Bushtarion player:
For all those who have used sleep mode now and in past rounds you were merely hiding with your tails between your legs. In other words you all are a pussies.

I'd actually agree with that! :P

Bollocks. There are perfectly valid times to use sleepmode. There are also people who over use it, those people are pussies.

let me get this right....

The admin of this game is saying to the rank three ally what he is going to do if rank 1 and 2 dont kill each other. Which from what IoF is saying is basically kill the two of them/ take all land or what ever.

Therefore allowing rank 3 to win i guess? so not in fact opening up the round but merely giving the win to a sleeping ally that is three time the size of any below it when i think that this is supposed to be a war game and S2n and Em would get killed for not warring?. Surely Sleep mode isnt warring either?

Jesus, whats he gonna do if Em and S2n go into sleep as well? Rape Ailihphilia for not fighting with Boat or Discworld.....

IoF you really saying Azzer is feeding information to your ally?


Aye.

IoF, Enmity/S2N arent snapped, GL proving that if you believe that to be the case.

Admin stepping in because "not enough warring is going on" is a political minefield. I don't know if Enmity are going to hit S2N in the near future, or vice versa, but IMO before admin takes action, if any, OF should be forced out of sleep to face the music - Rather than hiding with their tails between their legs in sleep mode.

Im sorry DA but thats mental!

Say what you want about going into sleep to avoid having to fight (from any pov...taking some time off, waiting it out etc etc) but why should they be forced to fight? They arent winning by staying in sleep...Firstly they had a few members zeroed as far as i was told as they couldnt make it into sleep and when they come out hopefully there will have been a fight between Enmity and S2N and the winner will be even bigger and just rape them to the ground anyway.

And i think "not enough warring is going on" is an understatement. I think its just lucky for you guys that you could use the cover of the "resistance" tag for so long.


DA you're very amusing :P Talk about putting your own mad spin on the subject. If you think OF could win by being in sleepmode for a week or more, you're completely and totally delusional. or you've simply never been on top of the game with only your alliance to protect you. 20 members of a rank 1 alliance have pretty much nothing to fear from OF, even if you guys don't war with S2N, there is no conceivable way that OF can win barring sheer luck.

Pinpower hammers the nail pretty much right on the head.

[Eden]

I think it is about time that everyone remembers round 26 - the Redemption, Redtube, Jizz round. In that round, Redemption and Jizz had a common goal, to kill Redtube because they felt that Redtube was the superior alliance, and no one could take them on one on one. Thus, Redemption and Jizz worked together to kill Redtube. Redtube then went into sleep mode for three days, hoping Jizz and Redemption would war it out. An excellent tactical move, save for the fact that the desire to kill Redtube was so strong that Redemption and Jizz waited for Redtube to come out of sleep and then killed them. Afterwards, I believe a day or two truce to recover and get some rest was agreed between Jizz and Redemption, and they later had an all out war. Despite everything and with a bit of luck, Jizz did come out on top in the end.

Now, does that resemble what's happening this round and what will most likely happen this round?

[Alcibiades]

I think it is about time that everyone remembers round 24 - the Redemption, Redtube, Jizz round. In that round, Redemption and Jizz had a common goal, to kill Redtube because they felt that Redtube was the superior alliance, and no one could take them on one on one. Thus, Redemption and Jizz worked together to kill Redtube. Redtube then went into sleep mode for three days, hoping Jizz and Redemption would war it out. An excellent tactical move, save for the fact that the desire to kill Redtube was so strong that Redemption and Jizz waited for Redtube to come out of sleep and then killed them. Afterwards, I believe a day or two truce to recover and get some rest was agreed between Jizz and Redemption, and they later had an all out war. Despite everything and with a bit of luck, Jizz did come out on top in the end.

Now, does that resemble what's happening this round and what will most likely happen this round?

not really no.

[tobapopalos]

I think it is about time that everyone remembers round 24 - the Redemption, Redtube, Jizz round.

I don't. I remember round 24, the Legends, Retarted, Panoply round.

[Shadow]

IoF, i just went and warred with Aili.

What have OF and Enmity done?

Nothing.
Why didn't you two have a proper war instead of a bit of rushing that was nothing?

1. Why didn't you two war while us and Aili warred?
2. Why hasn't Azzer got involved with that?
3. Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact S2N and OF havn't warred recently apart from a few silly hits?
4. Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact that Discworld is not currently hitting RRR - i see a powerblock there too.
5. Why did OF never properly war with Aili untill S2N broke em? Where is Azzer there?
6. Why did Aili only hit Enmity once after OF, then proceed to tell JJ they wont hit them if they help against S2N? Where was Azzer then?

Azzer like other sensible people in this thread, realise there is a difference between a powerblock and timing.
(added numbers ot post so easyier to see wot im anwsering adn stuff, am useless at using Forums quoting and crap :( )

1, erm we was attackign them before with bashes and LET rushes but we seem to have got S2N LET rushes on our offliners everytime :o
2, why hasn'y azzer got involved with wot?
3, Correect me if im wrong(which im not so stfu) but last time OF launched a mass atck on S2N(involving 10+ members at 1 time) Enmity launched on us as did you with retals and they LET boosted you as you LET boosted them :o
4, im not sure wot you mean abotu this 1, from wot im told by the few people i know in teh lower ranks Discworld have been spanking every allie that is lower ranked than them(althou this is jsut wot i got told but i have seen BR's of them bashing and wvaing other allies).
5, Well this 1 is jsut a stupid question. Why go all out to kill an alliance when 2 other alliances are working together to kill you. obviously you would try to kill those 2 alliances first.
6, you should have probably read your first question before askign this 1 tbh. saying OF and Enmity never properly war'd then saying Ail launched a hit on Enmity after OF had laucnehd on hit on them.

not sure wot you mean by the difference between Timing and Powerblocking :s you guys have worked together for close to the entire round now(only 3 weeks left roughly to find otu if it was the whole round or jsut most of it ;)).

[harriergirl]

I think it is about time that everyone remembers round 24 - the Redemption, Redtube, Jizz round.

I don't. I remember round 24, the Legends, Retarted, Panoply round.


26 = Red, Red, Jizz

[Eden]

My apologies, round 26*.

[Davs]

To go back to a point made by a certain Canadian...

Why the hell did this obvious attempt at stirring up a flame war get made by a forum mod????
The actions of the alliances in question are yet to be unveiled - so rather than arguing over what may or may not happen, just get on with doing whatever the hell you're going to do.

[Alcibiades]

To go back to a point made by a certain Canadian...

Why the hell did this obvious attempt at stirring up a flame war get made by a forum mod????
The actions of the alliances in question are yet to be unveiled - so rather than arguing over what may or may not happen, just get on with doing whatever the hell you're going to do.

Best post of the whole thread; not least because of the mention of an Awesome Canadian! ;)

Just stop posting in here, and do your ingame ****, and let the actions speak for themselves, so we can then dissect the fine points in a thread :D

Speculating on theoretical possibilities is just going to get us all in trouble ;)

[Matthew]

To be honest if DA were born in Denmark around the year 1600 Shakespeare would have wrote a play about him and his antic disposition by now. He's just gone absolutely batshit crazy.

[Alcibiades]

To be honest if DA were born in Denmark around the year 1600 Shakespeare would have wrote a play about him and his antic disposition by now. He's just gone absolutely batshit crazy.

You rock.

[MattM]

Davs and Chewie are the sex.

[Twigley]

Say what you want about going into sleep to avoid having to fight (from any pov...taking some time off, waiting it out etc etc) but why should they be forced to fight?

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

*SIRENS* *SIRENS* *SIRENS* *SIRENS*

Correct.
Why should *anyone* be told when and where to fight when there are still nearly 3 weeks left, especially by alliance members who have just hit SLEEP MODE to AVOID fighting LOL. :D


Edit: LOL Eden - SO true hahaha :P My alliance was on the end of that for AGES. Even when my alliance fell to rank 3 and hit sleep after being hit for weeks and weeks by them we thought you might war.

When we came out and tried to hit Redemption - we hurt redemption but got retalled by Jizz who were rank 1.

Heh, wasn't that ally full of people that where in RRR, OF this round? ICEOFIRE? ;)
Lol cheers Eden, forgot about that :)

Think it's a bit different though because i dont think OF are better than either alliance, my hate on OF which is shared by RReR's leadership was that OF complained pretty much the most this round yet have been the worst alliance in terms of their "agenda"


@ Shadow - Jeez, you also answered them all in black and white.
I will again point you to this post as you are another person who doesnt understand much,


AND BECAUSE YOU GUY'S SEE EVERYTHING IN BLACK AND WHITE- THE QUESTIONS WHY OTHER ALLIES DIDNT HIT EACH OTHER WAS A BLOODY JOKE. YEAH IT'S RIDICILOUS ISNT IT? LIKE - LOL AT THOSE POINTS I MADE? IT'S AS FUNNY AS THE ONES YOU ARE MAKING. <- My point. Love how 2 people quoted it, and only reading it in black and white. Maybe bold and caps will help.

Thank you for supporting my arguement on how ridiculous claims are made and how people only read stuff in black and white.

[Alcibiades]

Say what you want about going into sleep to avoid having to fight (from any pov...taking some time off, waiting it out etc etc) but why should they be forced to fight?

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

*SIRENS* *SIRENS* *SIRENS* *SIRENS*

Correct.
Why should *anyone* be told when and where to fight when there are still nearly 3 weeks left, especially by alliance members who have just hit SLEEP MODE to AVOID fighting LOL. :D

They're being forced to fight, or be starved of targets. OF has reduced the target scenario to force a war.

You don't have to do it, but you'll most likely be accused of powerblocking and collusion. It could prove to be something of a self fulfilling prophecy tho if you do end up SNAPping simply because they did hit sleepmode. That would be pretty sad tho, on both accounts. I don't see why you'd hold back from a war either tho, it's the next logical step in this round.

i'm not saying it's right, or that you are or aren't working together, but it is a clever move imo :D

[Twigley]

Why can't OF fight Enmity?

What was stopping them and Enmity warring before?
OF had more troop score so why didnt they?

I tell you why.
Cos while we where taking out Aili - we were getting retals from OF members on our members.


The only excuse so far that i have heard is that they are too inactive.
Some excuse.

If you want to use that excuse and not fight them yourselves, how about not *****ing at other alliances for doing the EXACT same thing as you?

[Matthew]

Just stfu and fight. OF are in sleep thats why they can't hit enmity isn't that ****ing obvious?

[Alcibiades]

Why can't OF fight Enmity?

What was stopping them and Enmity warring before?
OF had more troop score so why didnt they?


Because they assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that S2N would retal on them. *Shrug* I can't speak for their reasons but that would be the best guess i could offer.


The only excuse so far that i have heard is that they are too inactive.
Some excuse.

Pretty good excuse to hit SM ;) Another good one is to force you guys to war with each other, rather than gang up on OF and beat them to a pulp with a troop/land advantage.



If you want to use that excuse and not fight them yourselves, how about not *****ing at other alliances for doing the EXACT same thing as you?

No one would buy the inactivity excuse from either Enmity or S2N so i would advise against trying it ;)

[Khris]

Why can't OF fight Enmity?

What was stopping them and Enmity warring before?
OF had more troop score so why didnt they?

I tell you why.
Cos while we where taking out Aili - we were getting retals from OF members on our members.


The only excuse so far that i have heard is that they are too inactive.
Some excuse.

If you want to use that excuse and not fight them yourselves, how about not *****ing at other alliances for doing the EXACT same thing as you?



LoL. We did TRY and fight them. Ask them... we gave them incoming... for like 12 hours... at max 15 ppl sent. LoL was pretty sad. Inactivity rocks :P

but then... that night we got rushes from more s2n then Em members.. lol

we are too old and tired to attack, to old and tired to defend... next logical step. Sleep and ***** :P

[Shadow]

BS-ley you full of **** as always...asking the same questions again which first itme you said as a joke but wot are they now? an even ******* joke?

teh day after S2N declared on Ail OF gave Enmity over 30 incomings hostile mobs(and im not talking about LET rushes) we even had more troops saved home to launch on them once the defense was drawn but once again stealth appeared on our Offliners from a certain SO player :o shock ****ing horror :o

inactive excuse? well its kinda hard to kill an allie with loads of robo's and strikers when your only anti AR troops to hand are RPG's and constantly getting last ticked :o

you use the inactive excuse? well **** me you have used every other ****ing excuse might aswell try that 1..you ****ing moron...

[Polo]

The only thing I can come up with is that they're hoping S2N and Enmity war it out while they're in sleep. That'd be a pretty lame reason - if that is the case.

They may say otherwise - but this is the first thing that sprung to mind when I saw them all in sleep.

Enmity and S2N are snapped. They will use any excuse to remain so.

Utter garbage. You aren't in either ally - you don't know if they're snapped or not.

My advice to all players ... send the message to the creator of this game; He must step in, and deal with Twigley and JJ and how there alliances chose to behave these last 2 rounds (if not longer).

So in other words - you're throwing a tantrum this round because of what happened last round.

sleepmode is fun :D i get to go out and not get called online to stop a Enmity and S2N bash/LET rush which is quite nice :D

You think 2 similar sized allies hitting a 3rd similar sized ally is a bash? You must be a newbie - how cute. :)

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I can't comment on this issue specifically - however if I led Enmity or S2N I'd contact the other leader and arrange a sNap just to spite OF. If that IS OF's reasoning for hitting sleep, we're speculating at this stage.

No doubt Melni will come on post something obscure/vague and say something like: "I don't respect you, so I'm not going to tell you."

you say that as if Enmity and S2N dont already have a Snap going on.

They don't. DA knows more, being a member of Enmity, about the situation between Enmity and STN than you do, being a member of OF.

DA you have made yourself look rather stupid here! As the pair of you have claimed your not in a snap situation be interesting to how it plays out!

You guys may actually have to have a hard war now a FTW vs a FTW. Not bullying us FTF alliances.

IoF, you have made yourself look rather stupid in all your posts. Got to love all the "we're a FTF ally, you're nasty players for attacking us" QQ posts. (Aside: FTF is the most retarded saying ever - if you're playing a game not for fun, wtf are you playing for?)

00:01:34: IoF : I honestly bet you don't attack Twigley!
00:01:47: JJ : How much BC? :p
00:01:53: IoF : 5
00:02:13: JJ : Okay, you're on :p
00:02:23: IoF : We'll see
00:02:34: JJ : Btw, might wanna check your HQ :P

So you honestly believe jjnoob would make a bet he knows he'd lose? Makes perfect sense...

lol... s2ns name cracks me up...

it should have been "second to one"

Pretty sure there's ~19 days left... ;)

but anywayze. Sorry to ruin everyones round. we are too old and tired. We will let the kids FIGHT it out.... lol... isnt that a joke.

A joke? No, I don't think so. Jokes are supposed to be funny.

On topic: I think hitting sleepmode was a good, if boring, idea to try to force a battle between S2N and Enmity. Not necessarily something I would have chosen to do but it's definitely one way to try to force some action.

DA: Appalling that you would SNAP in spite of that action, that's a pretty crappy way to play the game. Then you simply feed ammunition to those who would accuse S2N and Enmity of SNAPping and further fan the flames of the dislike much of hte playerbase shares against S2N and Enmity. Appalling tactics, appalling idea, crappy playing. Tsk Tsk....

I was trying to persuade Twigley to take our Enmity before OF as, in my eyes, it made more tactical sense. However, I'm a hateful person and, out of spite, I'd be more than happy to sit around doing bugger all waiting for OF to come out of sleep and then kill them.

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Alci, it's because the 2 alliances do not want to go to war.

No, no. You're confusing Enmity and STN with your own alliance, OF. You are the ones hitting sleep and not going to war. Hypocrite much?

But i have a PM with Azzer...Seems things could get interesting from what he tells me. Seems some very interesting ideas could be in put if the 2 don't war :D

I half want them to be in put and them not war haha

Azzer isn't, to my knowledge, stupid enough to take action against a powerblock in game whilst a powerblock doesn't actually exist. However, I could be wrong and, in that case, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a mass exodus of players leaving due to (further) corruption of the game admin.

If they don't war, i hope they get RMmed and Gov't Land farmers :D

Azzer would justify that, how?

Call it what you want mate - I'm enjoying time off with no strings attached!

Same here. Not having a need to be active at the moment is great. :)

few quick points Twignaab

If we want rank 1, why would we hit sleep?

Because you want both alliances to be a lot weaker (combined) than they currently are?

1. Enmity (who would win the war out of S2N and En) will be much bigger, huge land advantage, troop advantage and be waiting for us...how would that help us get rank 1? We'd be pwned so quickly!!

Oh Enmity would win? Sorry, I didn't realise. Shall we just end the round now then?

3. If you guys don't war, Azzer has said he will get involved, and i know his plans. So if we do come out of sleep when ever that is and you haven't then you could be in danger, or even the smaller alliances in size could prob do a lot of damage before we even got out!

5. Game admin/staff may step in to at any stage if a player/group of players is playing in such a way as to detriment the game, playerbase, or business itself, to ensure the game can contiune being played and enjoyed by all.

Perhaps read that and then inform me how Enmity and STN are breaching it?

Also, I'm not enjoying the game now that all of OF are in sleepmode - you guys are ruining the game. Can Azzer please take some form of action to rectify this?

4. Don't try and do this "to spite OF" we know you dont want to hit Enmity because they are bigger, more land, more troops and would IMHO pwn you guys. You just want to save you special Second to JJ alliance an ass kicking by doing it to "spite us". Just to save face and not be pwned. If JJ doesnt hit you guys (which he promised me 5 BCs he would) then a very fun and open round has been ruined again. And for the second time...you have become JJs *****!

Lol is all I can say to that. :)

I don't expect you to war, i honestly think you'll bottle it or come up with another plan to just sit till the end. If thats what happens...i'm so glad im quitting.

I'm sure a lot of the community will be glad you're quitting too. :)

IoF, i just went and warred with Aili.

What have OF and Enmity done?

Nothing.
Why didn't you two have a proper war instead of a bit of rushing that was nothing?

Why didn't you two war while us and Aili warred?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with that?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact S2N and OF havn't warred recently apart from a few silly hits?
Why hasn't Azzer got involved with the fact that Discworld is not currently hitting RRR - i see a powerblock there too.
Why did OF never properly war with Aili untill S2N broke em? Where is Azzer there?
Why did Aili only hit Enmity once after OF, then proceed to tell JJ they wont hit them if they help against S2N? Where was Azzer then?

Azzer like other sensible people in this thread, realise there is a difference between a powerblock and timing.

Well said.

All of your questions about OF can be answered pretty easily.

We weren't active enough.

That is part of the reason we decided to take a break :)

As for other situations, none are as dubious as the s2n / emnity one. Sorry Twigs, but the past WILL come and bite you in the ass.

Sorry, we can't attack Enmity...we're not active enough. We'll sit around doing nothing like a lot of the other alliances in game.

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Man you just made yourself look very stupid!!

Irony, much?

Please remember that OF was formed as a fun alliance being a group of friends looking to have a good time together with as much or as little activity as we wanted.

Whereas Enmity and STN were formed with strict rules such as: no fun allowed!

You guys have fun and remember this is just a game :D

You should take your own advice.

1. Cowardly like a 60 man power block! haha walked into that one! You have no leg to stand on with that one - pow

You don't like our tactics (which don't break the user agreement) so you complain to Azzer. I don't like your tactics so does that mean I can complain to Azzer?

WE ARE LAZY. WE FULLY ADMIT TO IT! That is why we are in sleep mode.

WE ARE LAZY. WE FULLY ADMIT THAT WE CAN'T BE ARSED TO ATTACK ENMITY (for any morons out there, read: we are powerblocking).

The actions of the alliances in question are yet to be unveiled - so rather than arguing over what may or may not happen, just get on with doing whatever the hell you're going to do.

Because OF just cut my targets in half - I want to QQ about it and get Azzer to interfere!

inactive excuse? well its kinda hard to kill an allie with loads of robo's and strikers when your only anti AR troops to hand are RPG's and constantly getting last ticked :o

This is utter garbage. Shall we restarted as all Thugs for you? It's nobody's fault but your own that you route setup sucks.

[MattM]

You joined S2N, then Polo. My respect for you has sunk to a whole new low.

[Polo]

You joined S2N, then Polo. My respect for you has sunk to a whole new low.

I would be upset - but, fortunately, I don't give a flying feck what you think of me.

I play this game for fun. What I decided I wanted to do for the rest of the round, for fun, was kill OF (as a whole) and jjnoob (as an individual). The best way for me to do that was by joining STN (an alliance who I've had nothing but respect for this round, unlike many other alliances).

[Matthew]

lol polo ship jumped again. We aren't playing frogger dude.

[Alcibiades]

You joined S2N, then Polo. My respect for you has sunk to a whole new low.

I would be upset - but, fortunately, I don't give a flying feck what you think of me.

I play this game for fun. What I decided I wanted to do for the rest of the round, for fun, was kill OF (as a whole) and jjnoob (as an individual). The best way for me to do that was by joining STN (an alliance who I've had nothing but respect for this round, unlike many other alliances).

Dude i can't argue with the rest of your post (except that MattM is awesome ;)) but I don't remember you having a lot of respect for S2N throughout a large portion of this round. I could be wrong, but statements like 'S2N are ****ing abysmal and pathetic' are pretty unequivocal statements. *shrug*

[JJB]

polo has made waayyy to many points!!!, but i do agree that most of them are pretty valid

[Polo]

Dude i can't argue with the rest of your post (except that MattM is awesome ;))

Of course you can't - I'm never wrong. :P

but I don't remember you having a lot of respect for S2N throughout a large portion of this round. I could be wrong, but statements like 'S2N are ****ing abysmal and pathetic' are pretty unequivocal statements. *shrug*

Perhaps your anger towards me is clouding your memory. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything along those lines. I also always referred to Second To None as STN, not that grammatically incorrect name that everyone else seems to be using.

lol polo ship jumped again. We aren't playing frogger dude.

There are ships in Frogger?

[Alcibiades]

Dude i can't argue with the rest of your post (except that MattM is awesome ;))

Of course you can't - I'm never wrong. :P

There are exceptions to every rule ;)


but I don't remember you having a lot of respect for S2N throughout a large portion of this round. I could be wrong, but statements like 'S2N are ****ing abysmal and pathetic' are pretty unequivocal statements. *shrug*

Perhaps your anger towards me is clouding your memory. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything along those lines. I also always referred to Second To None as STN, not that grammatically incorrect name that everyone else seems to be using.

Doubtful. I'm annoyed that you shipjumped without telling us, and especially annoyed that you left to join what amounted to our arch enemies this round and last round. I can't remember how many discussions we had mocking TBA, powerblocking n00bs, and their so called leadership. I'm sure there are logs somewhere and forum posts even that resound with 'I'm never playing with powerblocking n00bs again'. I don't really feel compelled to find them, but i do remember them being posted. ;) Wasn't the whole foundation of RRR this round to be Non-TBA (Chance/WH mostly) against TBA to prove what could be done? *Shrug*

You might, and probably do, have some respect for Twigley personally, but that's neither here nor there in this discussion. If i hadn't gotten rid of my old IRC logs when i switched to Windows 7 i'm almost certain i'd have the proof. Maybe they're still hidden away on my disgustingly poorly organized comp, but i doubt it :(

As for your grammatical exactness, I was paraphrasing words i remember you using, my apologies for offending your exacting sensibilities by using a common shortform. While you may not have used those exact words, your disdain for S2N and Enmity and Fail. were more than clear this round to my eyes. Perhaps we just interpret words like 'pathetic', 'incompetent', 'retarded' and 'hilarious' differently. By all means attack my grammar, and not the content of my post :)

Anywho, this is all getting mightily off topic I suspect.

[Mattheus]

To be honest if DA were born in Denmark around the year 1600 Shakespeare would have wrote a play about him and his antic disposition by now. He's just gone absolutely batshit crazy.

http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

(That little gem was the only redeeming feature of this god-awful thread btw)

[MattM]

To be honest if DA were born in Denmark around the year 1600 Shakespeare would have wrote a play about him and his antic disposition by now. He's just gone absolutely batshit crazy.

http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

(That little gem was the only redeeming feature of this god-awful thread btw)

There hasn't been a good thread on here for months.

But that is a truly epic quote.

[Iamsmart]

Doubtful. I'm annoyed that you shipjumped without telling us

I'm just curious if anybody else found that snippet entertaining :)

Also, you gained redeeming respect from me for that post Polo (Not that it means anything!). Brilliant. I'll have to go give you forum rep.

[IceOfFire]

Doubtful. I'm annoyed that you shipjumped without telling us

I'm just curious if anybody else found that snippet entertaining :)

Yea that really made me smile as well haha

[Alcibiades]

Doubtful. I'm annoyed that you shipjumped without telling us

I'm just curious if anybody else found that snippet entertaining :)

Yea that really made me smile as well haha

As i stated in IRC, the circumstances were completely different, and shipjumping is not the same as a planned backstab.

Even you should be able to see the difference Iamsmart. And IoF, you know as well as i do that those are two different kinds of actions. This has been an 'explain bushtarion to newbies' round. ;)

however, this thread is not the time or the place for this kind of discussion, you know where to reach me if you wish to further this discussion, or even make another thread if you will, i have no qualms about a public discussion.

[Shadow]

Nice polo, keeping up teh reputation of being a complete cock quite well ;)

Yeah DA can be a memebr of Enmity and know more than me but doe snot stop him from being retarded and full of **** with wot he posts.

and yes, i do think its a bash you **** tard. wot else do you call having all 2 allies mass on like 2 targets? unless you have a warped retarded way of understanding wot a bash is :s which i think you do ;)

[Twigley]

I'm an idiot

At request of member in my alliance.

[Shadow]

yup yup ;) tis how i roll!!!

[Silence]

Sorry got bored after page four.

This thread is all mindless speculation. With GOOD reason too! If I were not in s2n I would be quick to point at s2n and emnity and think they *are* working together. HOWEVER as a member of s2n I can state FACT, which many of the mindless spectators cannot.


So I remind you please. Don't jump to conclusions. I understand that you maybe annoyed or frustrated at a possible repeat of last round but I promise it won't be.

So I implore of you all to stop the blaming game, sit back and watch things unravel. Its all about timing.

[Old Fart]

@Polo - you are right i am not in either S2N or Enmity. So i don't know if they are snapped. What i do know is that they were co-ordinated attacks between the to alliances on us, the net result if they did not change tactics would have been a 2v1 til end of round - possible heavier landrape zeroing in the last week, so the two alliances would not have to fight.

That least that was how we read the incoming.

Sleepmode is to highlight the situation.
Either you fight or you don't
Either Azzer will step in or he won't

Whether you all think what OF has done is clever tactical move or the biggest pussy move imaginable. It doesn't matter to us.

However, you will see soon this isn't about score or rank. It's about the difference between FTF and FTW.

FTW plays for rank 1
FTF plays for fun & friendship

The two remaining FTW alliances, are playing to bash the living daylights out of a FTF Alliance.

You must all enjoy having the same 3 - 4 groups playing for the top every round. The same players on the forums, talking cobblers. It makes me realise why our playerbase is so small.

insert random plug Travian!

[Iamsmart]

Excuse me - I'm not a part of any 'core group' - Generalizations ftl.

Also - I do believe your so called 'working together' is referring to the resistance. Quite a poor argument really.

[Turnip2k]

Drunken post ahoy!

I don't give a crap what you guys want to think of us. You think we want rank 1? Hell, I'll happily delete my account this round if its within my allies wishes. It is of no concequence - I have had my fun, and spent time with fecking awesome people. What rank I / We finish, or even if this account exists at the end of the round has as much relevance as a cabbage to me right now.

We, as an ally, needed a break from the recent activity requirements. We are not around enough to even enjoy the game properly, let alone defend against two snapped allies which have far greater activity than us. Some people in the ally did not like it, and I am sorry that they had to go with it - but they did so with great dignity and I love / respect them all the more for it.

The more this hilarious bickering goes on just reinforces my belief of how much of a fecking GREAT idea this was. We have removed ourselves from the moronic politics and childish posturing that the very existance of this thread exemplifies.

We are not FTW, so we took that break. If that makes us pussies, meh, then I guess you have to be a pussy to even consider playing the game for anything other than TEH WIN. Says alot about the community tbh.

I'm going to bed. Guess what? I'm not going to be pranked for defense! Goodnight :)

[Martin]

OMFG guys, stop using the term 'QQ', just say cry... God damn your stupid, nerdy, pointless abreviations for everything gramatical!

[aGit]

polo - usually your posts make sense and have a grain truth in them, however in this thread it feels like you've thrown all objectivity out the window once you shipjumped to stn.

had you not done it, and had died like the rest of us in RReR, i would wager your posts to be alot different.

[Polo]

polo - usually your posts make sense and have a grain truth in them, however in this thread it feels like you've thrown all objectivity out the window once you shipjumped to stn.

had you not done it, and had died like the rest of us in RReR, i would wager your posts to be alot different.

Oh, I'm sorry. Was my post a lie? Would it have been better if I admitted that Enmity and STN are powerblocking? And I only joined STN to preserve my rank?

[Amanala]

... Enmity and STN are powerblocking!

Ahhhh ha! :mrgreen: Proof, if I've ever seen it.

[TheNamelessWonder]

This whole thread = TLDR

However, I feel the following should be said. There is often no distinction in the eyes of the masses and even the eyes of the law between wrongdoing and the appearance of wrongdoing. Given the past of JJ and Twigs, everyone and their mom thinks that there two allies are SNAPed. Even if they aren't, if they don't attack each other, the lack of warring is going to be used as evidence of a SNAP, based on past history. So JJ and Twigley, whether you're doing anything wrong or not, it might well be in your best interests to make this war happen, lest the lynch mob come for you. You may need to prove that you aren't SNAPed, even if you really aren't.

[Lordie]

Heh. Well I wasn't aware of sleep mode until it happened (a result of a phone on silent and being drugged up on cold and flu tablets. :P)

I don't have much left, but to be frank, I don't give a damn. Hehe. This sums up Old Farts round. If we are doing well, we think it's because of the new pills we're on. If we crumble, we just step up the oxygen in-take and feel jolly.

We're not score hungry, we're merely roast dinner hungry. :)

'Viva 'la sleepmode.

[Iamsmart]

Ok, I don't know what QQ or TLDR is.

Btw, thanks for the kills Lordie <3

[Dark_Angel]

WE ARE LAZY. WE FULLY ADMIT TO IT! That is why we are in sleep mode.

WE ARE LAZY. WE FULLY ADMIT THAT WE CAN'T BE ARSED TO ATTACK ENMITY (for any morons out there, read: we are powerblocking).

QFT.

People need to stop confusing alliances not attacking each other (yet?) with a powerblock. There are about half a dozen criteria for two or more alliances to meet before their actions can be likened to that of a powerblock (eg formal sNaps, retalling for each other, regularly attacking together, etc).

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you are right i am not in either S2N or Enmity. So i don't know if they are snapped. What i do know is that they were co-ordinated attacks between the to alliances on us, the net result if they did not change tactics would have been a 2v1 til end of round - possible heavier landrape zeroing in the last week, so the two alliances would not have to fight.

This is a complete fabrication, and just an excuse for you guys to hit sleep. Most OF members posting on this thread appear convinced S2N and Enmity are sNapped and out to get them.

Either Azzer will step in or he won't

Step in because what? Enmity and S2N havent chosen to war each other yet? Thats absurd. One of the main reasons admin intervention was created after last round was because TBA was having a massively detrimental impact on gameplay for an unacceptable percentage of the playerbase. Even *IF* S2N and Enmity were blocking, sNapped, and whatever else, this impact is none-existant. We aren't though, and OFs paranoia here, with no actual evidence to suggest S2N and Enmity are working together - has made OF look very, very small.

I remind you, and indeed everyone else, that possibly the most important consideration in determining what is a "powerblock" is not whether two or more alliances are sNapped, or attacking together on a regular basis, but whether when all other competition is removed these colluding alliances break all ties and attack each other.

Again, S2N and Enmity aren't powerblocking - not by any sensible definition of the word. But even if they were working together at this stage, that isn't to say they're a powerblock because they arent refusing to war despite there being no realistic competition from other alliances. (As much as OF would like everyone to believe them hitting sleep removes them as competition, it doesnt, IMO).

FTF plays for fun & friendship

Key word there friend, "play" - fairly sure you can't play while in sleep. No FTF alliance would hit sleep. FtF isnt about score, its about fun and friendship, as you've pointed out. All of you hitting sleep is a decision based on saving score. And that mate, is FTW.

[Podunk]

-snip-


FTF plays for fun & friendship

Key word there friend, "play" - fairly sure you can't play while in sleep. No FTF alliance would hit sleep. FtF isnt about score, its about fun and friendship, as you've pointed out. All of you hitting sleep is a decision based on saving score. And that mate, is FTW.

I would just like to point out DA that your logic for this is quite flawed.
Defending nonstop large-scale incs isn't fun (unless the attackers actually stay when proper defense is sent). Tbh if I wasn't in a serious alliance I would consider hitting sleep too if I didn't want to wake up or have a break from the game.

And now yes I'm sure I'll hear "well incoming is a part of the game", yes that's true but so is sleepmode. You should be able to step away from a game if you want to.

[Dark_Angel]

We didn't give you mass inc, Podunk, I'm an active member of Enmity - I've not seen us send more than 4-5 assaults on OF over the past week.

In fact I'd go as far as to say you've massed us more than we've "massed" you.

[aGit]

This whole thread = TLDR

However, I feel the following should be said. There is often no distinction in the eyes of the masses and even the eyes of the law between wrongdoing and the appearance of wrongdoing. Given the past of JJ and Twigs, everyone and their mom thinks that there two allies are SNAPed. Even if they aren't, if they don't attack each other, the lack of warring is going to be used as evidence of a SNAP, based on past history. So JJ and Twigley, whether you're doing anything wrong or not, it might well be in your best interests to make this war happen, lest the lynch mob come for you. You may need to prove that you aren't SNAPed, even if you really aren't.

qft

[aGit]

We didn't give you mass inc, Podunk, I'm an active member of Enmity - I've not seen us send more than 4-5 assaults on OF over the past week.

In fact I'd go as far as to say you've massed us more than we've "massed" you.

yet, people are wondering why OF doesnt or hasnt warred with enm....

christ how much bs you can fit into one single thread.

[aGit]

[QUOTE=Dark_Angel;42066]We didn't give you mass inc, Podunk, I'm an active member of Enmity - I've not seen us send more than 4-5 assaults on OF over the past week.

In fact I'd go as far as to say you've massed us more than we've "massed" you.

but you HAVE seen attacks on OF, and are saying that OF still have massed you guys more? yet, people are wondering (blaming) why OF doesnt or hasnt warred with enm....

christ how much bs you can fit into one single thread.

[IceOfFire]

I can't be bothered with this. May as well tell you why we hit sleep...(The main reason)

The main reason we hit sleep and this is the God's honest truth - (Don't call me a liar its not true)

We hit sleep mode, because we had a "holiday" thread in pols and people were writing about when they were away or too busy to play with work.

We added up 7 players over a period who werent going to be contactable or active...So when you have 13 members in an alliance that isnt *that* contactable nor active it makes it even harder.

So with Enmity and S2N breathing down our necks...or the threat of this, we did the most sensible thing to us! Also the fact that maybe it would flame a War and that would be even better!

This is the MAIN reason we hit sleep and don't call it bs, because im not gonna keep posting it over and over.

We hit sleep mode, so what? Let's us do what we want and you guys do what you want!
Let the ingame play do the talking yea?

[Dark_Angel]

Let the ingame play do the talking yea?

Thats the second time I've heard an OF member refer to "Play" despite the fact they're in sleep. You can't play the game in sleep IoF :P

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Fair enough on the Holiday reason, if someone said that like 5 pages back we'd have all saved a fair bit of time :P

[Shadow]

WE ARE LAZY. WE FULLY ADMIT TO IT! That is why we are in sleep mode.

WE ARE LAZY. WE FULLY ADMIT THAT WE CAN'T BE ARSED TO ATTACK ENMITY (for any morons out there, read: we are powerblocking).

QFT.

People need to stop confusing alliances not attacking each other (yet?) with a powerblock. There are about half a dozen criteria for two or more alliances to meet before their actions can be likened to that of a powerblock (eg formal sNaps, retalling for each other, regularly attacking together, etc).

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you are right i am not in either S2N or Enmity. So i don't know if they are snapped. What i do know is that they were co-ordinated attacks between the to alliances on us, the net result if they did not change tactics would have been a 2v1 til end of round - possible heavier landrape zeroing in the last week, so the two alliances would not have to fight.

This is a complete fabrication, and just an excuse for you guys to hit sleep. Most OF members posting on this thread appear convinced S2N and Enmity are sNapped and out to get them.

Either Azzer will step in or he won't

Step in because what? Enmity and S2N havent chosen to war each other yet? Thats absurd. One of the main reasons admin intervention was created after last round was because TBA was having a massively detrimental impact on gameplay for an unacceptable percentage of the playerbase. Even *IF* S2N and Enmity were blocking, sNapped, and whatever else, this impact is none-existant. We aren't though, and OFs paranoia here, with no actual evidence to suggest S2N and Enmity are working together - has made OF look very, very small.

I remind you, and indeed everyone else, that possibly the most important consideration in determining what is a "powerblock" is not whether two or more alliances are sNapped, or attacking together on a regular basis, but whether when all other competition is removed these colluding alliances break all ties and attack each other.

Again, S2N and Enmity aren't powerblocking - not by any sensible definition of the word. But even if they were working together at this stage, that isn't to say they're a powerblock because they arent refusing to war despite there being no realistic competition from other alliances. (As much as OF would like everyone to believe them hitting sleep removes them as competition, it doesnt, IMO).

FTF plays for fun & friendship

Key word there friend, "play" - fairly sure you can't play while in sleep. No FTF alliance would hit sleep. FtF isnt about score, its about fun and friendship, as you've pointed out. All of you hitting sleep is a decision based on saving score. And that mate, is FTW.

Full of **** as always DA, well done :P

so your saying that powerblocking allies retal and do attack with each other? like S2N and Enmity have been doign all round :o ****...

OFC we think your out to get us, we started attacking S2N mid roudn and got loads of retals from Enmity memebrs, 1 of which got called online to save S2N from our hits lol.

no actual evidence? except the fact you guys retal for each other when we hit either 1 of the allies? i can understand the whole concept of free land which was the BS excuse Enmity used at mid roudn when they retalled for S2N but surely it is easyier to join the waves on an alliance which has all its troops out defending than to launch on the attackign allie which still has over half its LET home, which if i rememebr rightly 1 Enmity memebr and about 6-7 S2N memebrs lost like 3/4's of there LET's when you did your retals for each other mid round.

no you aint a powerblock for refusing to war silly billy..your a powerblock because you refuse to do anything against each other and have held hands all ****ign round...

and Wots fun in not being able ot attack an allie cause the sister allie(sadly twigley im goign to call you the sister allie ;)) will retal you every time you do. silly nooby DA...

[Matthew]

The plot thickens! DA's father has now been killed by his uncle.

[Iamsmart]

Again, quit referring to the resistance as 'working together' and using it as an excuse to make us look like we are power blocking.

It's an utterly unfair point that doesn't make sense *AT ALL*

Cheers.

[Shadow]

Again, quit referring to the resistance as 'working together' and using it as an excuse to make us look like we are power blocking.

It's an utterly unfair point that doesn't make sense *AT ALL*

Cheers.

OMG you mean person...i just pointed my bullshit detector at this post and it blew up :o how mean of you...

[Iamsmart]

Cheers for making a post full of facts to disprove a fact.

Good input sir.

[Shadow]

Cheers for making a post full of facts to disprove a fact.

Good input sir.

dear god..you posted a Fact :o please do point it out as all i saw was a pile of bullshit :s

[Iamsmart]

Quite a soul touching experience - Thanks for your input mate.

[Shadow]

Quite a soul touching experience - Thanks for your input mate.

no Facts? didn't think so, i will take that as you are full of bullshit and your post was full of bullshit. thank you come again...

[Iamsmart]

Excuse me, but what is your problem? Generally I'd point out people unable to carry out a civilized conversation with an actual rebuttal usually are quite wrong, but you seem very confident in yourself.

[Shadow]

Excuse me, but what is your problem? Generally I'd point out people unable to carry out a civilized conversation with an actual rebuttal usually are quite wrong, but you seem very confident in yourself.

my problem? well obviously its all teh bullshit thats being posted silly :P Wots civilized about posting stupid ammounts of bullshit then asking/expecting others to have a serious conversation about the bullshit :s yeah there are a few posts with some actual truth but the rest of it is all bullshit posted to try and cover certain peoples asses :s

[Iamsmart]

I haven't made any posts to cover anybody's ass. I've posted the honest to god truth, something I have always managed to do.

Again - And I think this is the third time I've posted it in this thread - Generalizations ftl.

[Shadow]

I haven't made any posts to cover anybody's ass. I've posted the honest to god truth, something I have always managed to do.

Again - And I think this is the third time I've posted it in this thread - Generalizations ftl.

bullshit is that the truth lol

you say people calling the resistance a powerblock? i aint saying anything about the resistance being a powerblock...jsut saying Enmity adn S2N have been holding hands all round retaling/attacking together/Generally avioding any and all conflitct between each other to mass hit other allies together.

[Iamsmart]

Um, and the example you used was when the resistance was trying to get back on its feet. Hence we retalled - So s2n could participate and so you would back off.

Good thing we did too - The resistance was a success.

[Shadow]

Um, and the example you used was when the resistance was trying to get back on its feet. Hence we retalled - So s2n could participate and so you would back off.

Good thing we did too - The resistance was a success.

back on its feet? the resitace faield heavily against RapeRR and OF was getting Random Stealth and LET rushes from the last 3 remaining allies of the resistance. we launched on S2N when the resistance was as good as dead(only 3 allies left alive) and got retals from Enmity. Yet when Fail were killed by OF/aili the resistance never bothered ot step in and save them, the resistance actually launched on them and helped finish them off by launching on them. but when it came down to S2N you guys jumped straight to there aid instead of launching in for free land like you did with every other allie of the resistance when they died.

Thats why i think they're whole idea of saying that they was the resistence is a pile of bullshit. they have just been retalign and saving each other all round and continue to do it and deny it.

[Dark_Angel]

Shadow I've quite honestly no idea who you are - I was unable to find anything even borderline constructive, or readable through the inumerable number of typos in your responses. Sorreh.

[Iamsmart]

Do I get a turn to say bullshit now Shadow?

[Shadow]

Shadow I've quite honestly no idea who you are - I was unable to find anything even borderline constructive, or readable through the inumerable number of typos in your posts.

in otherwords you can't think of any bullshit to spread about atm so you will post later on when you have thought up some epic bullshit to make all your other bullshit look like nothing...okie dokie i shall wait...

[Shadow]

Do I get a turn to say bullshit now Shadow?

wait wait wait..you think wot you have been posting before this is not bullshit? wow..thats something that is :P

[Dark_Angel]

no you aint a powerblock for refusing to war silly billy..your a powerblock because you refuse to do anything against each other and have held hands all ****ign round...

and Wots fun in not being able ot attack an allie cause the pokey bum wank sister allie(sadly twigley im goign to call you the sister allie ;)) will retal you every time you do. silly nooby DA...Dude, everyone with more than 3 braincells in this game knows what a powerblock is and knows when to use the term and when not to.

If Enmity/S2N are guilty of anything its of not warring with each other yet. It isnt for you, or OF to tell/force Enmity/S2N to war.

Just as it isn't for me to say "Hang on a second, Onaboat haven't warred with Hounds, whats all that about then? POWEBRLOCK OMGGZ ZZZ"

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You can call Enmity/S2N a powerblock when there is *no other competition left and they refuse to attack each other*. Before that time you are pissing in the wind - Because another FTW alliance of sizable score does exist. Please try to understand that :) Before OF dies, Enmity/S2N cannot be accused of powerblocking.

S2N/Enmity are simply not massing each other at this stage of the game. Just as hounds isnt massing Discworld. It isnt a crime not to attack another alliance, for whatever reason - whether that be a political game or purely because an alliance has chosen to play a defensive game for whatever duration of time.

Get your facts straight - think about them, then come back here without regurgitating the same profanity ridden bile you're throwing about in the hope of looking smart.

[IceOfFire]

Let the ingame play do the talking yea?

Thats the second time I've heard an OF member refer to "Play" despite the fact they're in sleep. You can't play the game in sleep IoF :P

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Fair enough on the Holiday reason, if someone said that like 5 pages back we'd have all saved a fair bit of time :P

I said let the ingame play do the talking...as in the actions in game. Didnt necessarily mean "us"

I must admit DA, your very eager and keen to start flamming and try to cause it with your posts and this thread. Come on dude, try not to do it as bad, you are an ambassador for the game. None the less, i still love you DA.

[Matthew]

no you aint a powerblock for refusing to war silly billy..your a powerblock because you refuse to do anything against each other and have held hands all ****ign round...

and Wots fun in not being able ot attack an allie cause the pokey bum wank sister allie(sadly twigley im goign to call you the sister allie ;)) will retal you every time you do. silly nooby DA...Dude, everyone with more than 3 braincells in this game knows what a powerblock is and knows when to use the term and when not to.

If Enmity/S2N are guilty of anything its of not warring with each other yet. It isnt for you, or OF to tell/force Enmity/S2N to war.

Just as it isn't for me to say "Hang on a second, Onaboat haven't warred with Hounds, whats all that about then? POWEBRLOCK OMGGZ ZZZ"

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You can call Enmity/S2N a powerblock when there is *no other competition left and they refuse to attack each other*. Before that time you are pissing in the wind - Because another FTW alliance of sizable score does exist. Please try to understand that :). Before OF dies, Enmity/S2N cannot be accused of powerblocking.

S2N/Enmity are simply not massing each other at this stage of the game. Just as hounds isnt massing Discworld. It isnt a crime not to attack another alliance, for whatever reason - whether that be a political game or purely because an alliance has chosen to play a defensive game for whatever duration of time.

Get your facts straight - think about them, then come back here without regurgitating the same profanity ridden bile you're throwing about in the hope of looking smart.

The flower like child he had violated.

[Dark_Angel]

Let the ingame play do the talking yea?

Thats the second time I've heard an OF member refer to "Play" despite the fact they're in sleep. You can't play the game in sleep IoF :P

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Fair enough on the Holiday reason, if someone said that like 5 pages back we'd have all saved a fair bit of time :P

I said let the ingame play do the talking...as in the actions in game. Didnt necessarily mean "us"

I must admit DA, your very eager and keen to start flamming and try to cause it with your posts and this thread. Come on dude, try not to do it as bad, you are an ambassador for the game. None the less, i still love you DA.

I'm quite a vocal guy on the forums, I can't help that :P And I do like to comment on in-game goings on' - Some people, as can be seen here, don't like those remarks and take them as flames.

I'm just stating the facts as I see them. People can either accept what I've said or refute my claims. A lot of people prefer the latter :P

[IceOfFire]

Let the ingame play do the talking yea?

Thats the second time I've heard an OF member refer to "Play" despite the fact they're in sleep. You can't play the game in sleep IoF :P

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Fair enough on the Holiday reason, if someone said that like 5 pages back we'd have all saved a fair bit of time :P

I said let the ingame play do the talking...as in the actions in game. Didnt necessarily mean "us"

I must admit DA, your very eager and keen to start flamming and try to cause it with your posts and this thread. Come on dude, try not to do it as bad, you are an ambassador for the game. None the less, i still love you DA.

I'm quite a vocal guy on the forums, I can't help that :P And I do like to comment on in-game goings on' - Some people, as can be seen here, don't like those remarks and take them as flames.

I'm just stating the facts as I see them. People can either accept what I've said or refute my claims. A lot of people prefer the latter :P

Because usually they are bs and wrong :D

[marvin]

Srsly. Noone cares.

[IceOfFire]

Srsly. Noone cares.

Don't read it then ;)

[Steve_God]

Edit: Started a new thread instead to separate it from the ramblings :P

[Podunk]

We didn't give you mass inc, Podunk, I'm an active member of Enmity - I've not seen us send more than 4-5 assaults on OF over the past week.

In fact I'd go as far as to say you've massed us more than we've "massed" you.

I'm not OF.

[Alcibiades]

We didn't give you mass inc, Podunk, I'm an active member of Enmity - I've not seen us send more than 4-5 assaults on OF over the past week.

In fact I'd go as far as to say you've massed us more than we've "massed" you.

I'm not OF.

This thread is producing fantastic posts left, right, and centre. :)

[MiLK]

My 10p...

I joined OF when they were rank 5 if I remember correctly. I joined because it seemed like a decent collection of old school players, generally playing for laughs rather than to win. Having not played Bush for about the past 20 rounds (I used to play back in age3/4) I really had no intention to do particuarly well or finish with a high rank.

That said, OF is made up of some very talented players, so without even particuarly trying we ended up as the rank 1 alliance. In all seriousness, as far as I am concerned that was not our agenda....it just kinda happened. Suddenly I found myself at rank 11. Now I would class myself as a casual player....I log in when I can, I bum around on IRC and have a laugh...but at the end of the day I have too much going on in real life to be a top player. I think a lot of players in OF are like me....they have their real life, and bush is just something to do in spare time...ie it doesnt dominate our lives. THeres also a few more dedicated old school players...but most of them have already finished highly ranked in the past and aren't really bothered what happens this round either.

As far as the decision to go into mass sleep, well, I think a lot of you have really really REALLY over analysed it. In the other thread by Steve_God he talks about how we must have carefully worked out that STN/Enmity will lose 1/3 of their scores if they war blah blah blah. I can assure you it was far less calculated than that. We literally had a thread on politics talking about how we are all going on various holidays over the next couple weeks to sun our wrinkly skin. Someone (I cant even remember who now) threw up the idea of a "mass sleep". Most the rest of us agreed it would be a good idea if half of us were going to be on holiday, and anyway it could turn out to quite funny. There were also a few comments about how it would be fun to see if STN/Enmity had a war in our absence. That said, as far as I'm aware, that was not our reasoning for all hitting sleep...merely a potential outcome.

We decided to do this around 13:00, tried to contact all the players who werent online (a lot of our players are uncontactable, so this was quite a challenge) and did it at 17:00. So there was literally a few hours between deciding to do this and actually doing it. It wasn't something we had been meticulously planning to do, it was very much a spontaneous spur of the moment solution to the problem of having lots of players imminently going on holiday. End of.


I'm off for a week to Exit Festival in Serbia tommorow and I cant wait! BOOM!

[Steve_God]

In the other thread by Steve_God he talks about how we must have carefully worked out that STN/Enmity will lose 1/3 of their scores if they war blah blah blah.
I didn't say you peeps had worked out how much score they'd potentially loose at all - that was just my VERY rough guestimate :P

But anyway... it's all kinda irrelevant now since Second To None and Enmity are now at War :)

[Twigley]

1 week sleep ? :O

[MiLK]

In the other thread by Steve_God he talks about how we must have carefully worked out that STN/Enmity will lose 1/3 of their scores if they war blah blah blah.
I didn't say you peeps had worked out how much score they'd potentially loose at all - that was just my VERY rough guestimate :P

But anyway... it's all kinda irrelevant now since Second To None and Enmity are now at War :)

Yeah, sorry Steve, that wasnt meant as a personal dig at you at all. I was just trying to stress that we really hadnt put as much thought in as some people seem to think :)

[Iamsmart]

I'm waiting for an apology for those of you who called us power blocking.

[Dark_Angel]

Enmity and S2N are snapped.
They will use any excuse to remain so.
My advice to all players in there range, take a short holiday in protest.
Hit sleep, put your feet up, shag your girlfriend/boyfriend, enjoy some sun, and send the message to the creator of this game; He must step in, and deal with Twigley and JJ and how there alliances chose to behave these last 2 rounds (if not longer).


Indeed Iamsmart :P

Eat your words you old fart :P

[TaO]

Powerblockers looking for an excuse now :p

S2N just killed Enmity coz JJ got locked and deleted.. If that didnt happen you still woulda been a powerblock everyone knows that


jks ;)

[Shadow]

how does, go to hell you frewb sound?

DA read wot was said on that last line, "Twigley and JJ" as i understadn it JJ is locked so recent events have nothing to do with wot OF's was posting about. idiot :P

[Twigley]

We had the launchtime on Enmity about 30 hours before JJ was locked.
As Silence said in another thread.

[Iamsmart]

Can't even admit he was wrong - How sad :(

[Dark_Angel]

how does, go to hell you frewb sound?

DA read wot was said on that last line, "Twigley and JJ" as i understadn it JJ is locked so recent events have nothing to do with wot OF's was posting about. idiot :P

Shadow, again I'm at a loss as to what you're actually trying to say here. Try typing slower/re-reading what you're saying and your posts may flow a little more coherently.

[Scorpio]

You're all just a bunch of f00ls to believe the powerblock-crap, imo

[Alcibiades]

You're all just a bunch of f00ls to believe the powerblock-crap, imo

Not really. Last rounds events prove that it isn't impossible or unlikely. And this round Twigley and JJ worked together very closely. I'm not saying that 'ZOMG THEY'RE POWERBLOCKING'; but given recent (pre war) events, it's not at all an unreasonable assumption.

[Iamsmart]

Considering all the crap it caused in the forums and considering the accusations were obviously false, I do think it was quite unfounded.

[Alcibiades]

As i stated above, there were perfectly good reasons for those suspicions. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it was unfounded ;)

I'm waiting for an apology for those of you who called us power blocking.

Ha. missed this post in the slurry of filth surrounding it. Goodluck dragging an apology out of this bunch of monkeys :P

[Iamsmart]

It's called an opinion (Actually a fact now...:))

And yeah Alci - I just thought I'd post it to see if I got anything :P

[Alcibiades]

It's called an opinion (Actually a fact now...:))

And yeah Alci - I just thought I'd post it to see if I got anything :P

yes, it was an opinion based upon fact and observation. Care to try again?

well let me know how it goes, you'll never get one in public, and doubtful about private but we'll see how it goes ;)

[Khris]

Haha... i think we called it a noob block more then anything :P


but I never called it that. I always referred to them as boyfriend and girlfriend. And it looks like one cheated so got broken up with :( Such a shame, they were so cute together :(