Cheating solos

[Silence]

Battle Report - cheater
[range] 50,111,563 allied Striker attacked, killing 5,666,785 hostile staff.
[range] 4,520,303 hostile Siren sang out, freezing in place 635,920 allied staff.
[range] 45,927,614 hostile Sorcerer attacked, killing 333,815,358 allied staff.
[range] 16,686 allied Grenadier attacked, killing 42,376 hostile staff.
[range] 4,745,745 hostile Dragon breathed fire on and melted 25,273,192 allied staff.
[range] 19,405,290 allied Apache Longbow attacked, killing 117,526,232 hostile staff.
[range] 7,646,620 allied Marine attacked, killing 11,401,345 hostile staff.
[range] 199,201 allied Heavy Weapons attacked, killing 215,355 hostile staff.

Stunned: 635,920 [£59,422,756,000] friendlies stunned.
Died: 359,088,550 [£1,229,569,905,000] friendlies dead. 134,852,093 [£2,606,090,131,700] enemies dead.

You gained 531,786 effectiveness.
You earned £148,191,434,572 bounty.
You will soon be receiving £153,512,386,300 insurance.


A fair report, I expected the losses but the ~2,000 acres grab I was to grab it would be worth it.


However on my attacking for three tick I spied and no SAS, content with the fact that my attack would be successful I left my computer screen to return after the tick.

Naturally I stayed on atf3 as I was not at my computer and rejoiced when I saw the sucessful BR. Out of habit I spied my target just in case.

However during my absense this mob was launched.

Sun 12th Mar, year 3. Afternoon Incoming Hostiles
News from your sources is that in 2 ticks, 24,903,103 people from x [xxxx] will arrive to attack you. Mob ETA was modified by -1 from: Adrenaline rush boost.


A mob which would set SAS off on my atf1 tick.


Ofc this could be malicious because of my current rank and alliance. I ruled these factors out because it usually would be sent at atf2 with hippies.
Secondly my target was actually online. He sent out on the second tick and used this as a method to get AR, spend his saved funds and keep all of his acres.


Its obvious that this is cheating, not just a malicious attempt to sabotage an attack of mine. A method used to raise his AR from 0% (Because it was 0% ive watched this guy for days as he is my only target) to a safer level


Just generally the AR system is a joke because of this. I hope that this solo is punished for his actions tarnishing his reputation of a solo which I thought was playing a good round. Heh, a solo playing without cheating? What a joke.

[Twigley]

Can't even remember how many threads have been made like this and nothing got done...

:/

[tobapopalos]

I've heard grumblings about these particular solos from several people so far. If they are who I think they are then it isn't the first time, either.

It probably can't be proven whether or not the AR triggerer was asked to by the target, or whether he just decided to be a *******.

Of course, the person's intentions are only half of the problem. The other half is that the game mechanics allow him to do this. It's been a problem with AR for as long as I can remember, and I don't think Azzer has ever tried to do anything about it.

Can we please get something put in place which stops AR triggering on fair attackers?

[Alcibiades]

i second everything said so far. Wish i had more input but figure righteous indignation will have to do for now. Can we please get a solution to this?

[Dark_Angel]

I think if there was a game mechanic to prevent this it'd have been implemented already.

And as has been mentioned determining whether the guy who sent to trigger AR was asked to do so, or was just being a git, is very difficult.

Investigating allegations such as this one would be massively time consuming, I'd imagine, and somewhat tedious given how trivial the "offence" actually is.

What punishment do you impose on someone who deliberately triggers AR? Anything more than a slap on the wrist would be OTT, anything less wouldn't deter people anyway.

[Alcibiades]

it's not a trivial offence when done repeatedly and when it ruins the gameplay for other players.

I'd have their accounts deleted. If they don't want to play by the rules, they can gtfo.

That response may seem 'over the top' to you DA, but if you start deleting the accounts of those who cheat they'll either leave for greener pastures or learn how to play properly. Of course you follow the usual procedure to have the admin locked accounts locked for a certain period of time so that they can 'make their case' as it were. *shrug* i don't have sympathy for people who trigger deliberately. Even intentionally triggering on someone simply because you dislike them is a lame tactic and should be frowned upon, if not outright prevented.

*insert light administrating spiel from Azzer here* ... Bollocks. There are some places and times where rules should be followed to the strictest possible interpretation to prevent people from seeing a 'precedent' and getting away with, what is essentially, bloody murder.

[Silence]

I think if there was a game mechanic to prevent this it'd have been implemented already.

And as has been mentioned determining whether the guy who sent to trigger AR was asked to do so, or was just being a git, is very difficult.

Investigating allegations such as this one would be massively time consuming, I'd imagine, and somewhat tedious given how trivial the "offence" actually is.

What punishment do you impose on someone who deliberately triggers AR? Anything more than a slap on the wrist would be OTT, anything less wouldn't deter people anyway.


As I mentioned if you actually READ the post, its obvious that the players ASKED for the incoming BECAUSE he was ONLINE and used it to boost his AR WITHOUT any loss of acres so thereofre he could then spend his saved funds and be invincible.

Secondly a punishment would be temp. locking then perm. locking it he kept offending. Its easy.

Think before posting Darkangel?

[tobapopalos]

As I mentioned if you actually READ the post, its obvious that the players ASKED for the incoming BECAUSE he was ONLINE and used it to boost his AR WITHOUT any loss of acres so thereofre he could then spend his saved funds and be invincible.

It makes sense, but it doesn't prove anything, which is what DA was saying.

I agree with you that it probably was mutual, but it has to be proven for something to be done about it.

It's possible that the person did just decide to try and trigger on you and the target decided to use that to his advantage, and there was no prior conversation between target and triggerer. And just to re-iterate, I do not think that's what actually happened, but you have to accept the possiblity that it wasn't mutual.

[Martin]

tbh, if I was ever online when you hit them and I didn't get a Mod. I'd send a spiteful Hippy to trigger on you too....

[harriergirl]

I think if there was a game mechanic to prevent this it'd have been implemented already.

And as has been mentioned determining whether the guy who sent to trigger AR was asked to do so, or was just being a git, is very difficult.

Investigating allegations such as this one would be massively time consuming, I'd imagine, and somewhat tedious given how trivial the "offence" actually is.

What punishment do you impose on someone who deliberately triggers AR? Anything more than a slap on the wrist would be OTT, anything less wouldn't deter people anyway.

Minimising the problem won't make it go away DA. Ignoring it isn't either. Perhaps AR will be included in part of the new "fairness calc" It's hard to say really. There are cheaters everywhere, the trick is to find them and make the game hard for them when we can

[IceOfFire]

tbh, if I was ever online when you hit them and I didn't get a Mod. I'd send a spiteful Hippy to trigger on you too....

As much as i agree with Silence's original post, i agree with big Mart dog here.

If this was last round and i saw say FeR or Seetal out attacking a solo, i would have done the same...

[Antinoobkiller]

OMFG DUDES, THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME LIKE xx TIMES And I WHINED ON IRQ and EVERYTHING AND U SAID IT WAS ALLOWED, FFS. AND NOW YOU SAY ITS CHEATING WTF!?!? I MEAN IM SURE THIS IS JUST BECAUSE IT IS SOMEONE LIKE SILENCE OPEN IS MOUTH AND HE WILL BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY WHEN HE GRIBES MOANS ABOUT IT -,,-.

ONCE AGAIN MY THOUGHTS ARE and were RIGHT, ONLY because it is silencer attacking a solo and someone trigger his ar its called cheating. ROFL LMAO have happened to me xx times as I said already. I WAS LIKE OMFG CHEAT ABUSE WHEN THIS HAPPENED TO ME AND WENT TO IRQ TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN YOU SAID IT IS ALLOWED CAUSE IT WAS JUST SOME RANDOM GUY SPEAKIN ON IRQ. YOU GUYS ARE THE ****IN LAMEST PPL, YOU HAVE NO HONOR AND YOU CHEAT YOURSELVES. I KNOW YOU ALSO HAVE DONE THIS SILENCER AND LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. OFC THIS CANT BE PROVEN BUT IM like 99% sure that you guys have done this too. I mean I CAN SMELL IT from all u guys that nothing you say is 100% true.

This post disqusted me when I read it, not only becuase It have happened to myself but because im sure you and ur friends have done this too. Or more like that most of you are cheaters in one way or another.

Cant belieave some of the postings here, you said to me on irc that it is allowed and almost felt good about when u said it to me. and no you take silence under ur arms. I almost puke when I think how black&white some of the ppl are here.

I mean I was undercover when I was on irc,noway anyone could have known it was me moaning about this matter.

[CFalcon]

I think if there was a game mechanic to prevent this it'd have been implemented already.

There are two very simple game mechanics that could be added to prevent this, and which were discussed a fair amount in the AR thread that was up 6 months or so ago.

1. Only AR triggered when you are at attacking for 3 can target you. If you are at atf1, and someone comes behind and trips on you, none of it will target you. Simple.

2. AR only targets the triggering mob. ie, if you send a mob that won't trigger, then after you've sent (even on the same tick) if someone else sends, and the result is AR tripping, the AR will only target that second person. Similarly, if two people send and their combined total is under AR, but a third person then sends and pushes it over, only that third person will be targeted by AR.

This would *completely* get rid of triggering for friends. Toby is spot on when he says there's no way to prove it was intended to be an agreed attack to trigger, but that the problem can be bypassed by having sufficient game mechanics.

[Spiky Spoon]

I like the sound of that. But i'm sure u can not trigger AR 1 tick and then trigger it the 2nd tick. i seem to remember this happening to me. and then there'd be no way if knowing if it had triggered for you or the following attacker. (if that makes sense. lol)

[WildDisease]

Look outside teh boxxxxx

Solos do this for a reason.. The current protection put in place for them is not reasonably enough D:

[CLem]

I think if there was a game mechanic to prevent this it'd have been implemented already.

There are two very simple game mechanics that could be added to prevent this, and which were discussed a fair amount in the AR thread that was up 6 months or so ago.

1. Only AR triggered when you are at attacking for 3 can target you. If you are at atf1, and someone comes behind and trips on you, none of it will target you. Simple.

2. AR only targets the triggering mob. ie, if you send a mob that won't trigger, then after you've sent (even on the same tick) if someone else sends, and the result is AR tripping, the AR will only target that second person. Similarly, if two people send and their combined total is under AR, but a third person then sends and pushes it over, only that third person will be targeted by AR.

This would *completely* get rid of triggering for friends. Toby is spot on when he says there's no way to prove it was intended to be an agreed attack to trigger, but that the problem can be bypassed by having sufficient game mechanics.

winner

[Alcibiades]

I think if there was a game mechanic to prevent this it'd have been implemented already.

There are two very simple game mechanics that could be added to prevent this, and which were discussed a fair amount in the AR thread that was up 6 months or so ago.

1. Only AR triggered when you are at attacking for 3 can target you. If you are at atf1, and someone comes behind and trips on you, none of it will target you. Simple.

2. AR only targets the triggering mob. ie, if you send a mob that won't trigger, then after you've sent (even on the same tick) if someone else sends, and the result is AR tripping, the AR will only target that second person. Similarly, if two people send and their combined total is under AR, but a third person then sends and pushes it over, only that third person will be targeted by AR.

This would *completely* get rid of triggering for friends. Toby is spot on when he says there's no way to prove it was intended to be an agreed attack to trigger, but that the problem can be bypassed by having sufficient game mechanics.

Spot on. I knew there were solutions we'd come up with, i just couldn't remember what they were. Cheers for the post.

Antinoobkiller, you miss the subtle point yet again. Triggering is only illegal/cheating if it can be proved that the target asked for the triggering to happen. Then it is illegal, which is precisely what i told you in #bushtarion, when i assume it was you, were quizzing the room as a whole as to the legality/questionability of triggering as a tactic. I could dredge up the logs if i wanted to but it's really not worth the effort.

There is an annoying subtetly here that you're missing. Proven requested triggering is illegal, triggering without proof of coordination between the target who is getting AR and the person triggering it, is not illegal. IMO, it should be, but it is not (yet). This has nothing to do with who posted the gripe or their status ingame. If you bothered to read the old forums, or even the new ones i'm sure, you'd find plenty of complaints about AR triggering from all manner of players, new ones, old ones, in-betweeners etc. It's not a new problem but CFalcon has proposed certain easy functional measures.

[Enrico]

Hmm, not sure if this is possible to code into todays system, but what if AR instead of acting as part of the targets units (like all defending units do) would fire as if oit was an incoming mob?

I.e. First tick on target: Only targets incoming on Range. Second tick on target: Only targets incoming on Middle. Third tick on target: only targets incoming on Close.

That would mean people triggering behind you would not hurt you, would not stop people from massing on a target to trigger, but then they would have to stay and die themselves as well...

And ANK: when you were undercover on IRQ (sic), are you sure you didn't ask about whether triggering is allowed? Because it is, it is mutually agreed attacks that is against the EULA. I.e. someone asking someone else to attack them to trigger defenses.

[Antinoobkiller]

Dosnt matter if it is allowed or not, its abuse tactics, there is no diffrence between if a friend trigger or an enemy of the attacker triggering since the result is the same. And since it is impossible to prove it, yes it is impossible to prove these things. only the defending solo can know if it is a friend triggering or just a random enemy triggering his ar. I mean im sure they know that ingame-messages can be read so they wont discuss this things there.

I rly dont care if it is a friend or enemy triggering but what disturps is that you can make someone untouchable/unattackble when doing this. very abusive.

[Polo]

I've heard grumblings about these particular solos from several people so far. If they are who I think they are then it isn't the first time, either.

If it's who I think it is (badforu), he's supposed to be perma-banned.

Solos do this for a reason.. The current protection put in place for them is not reasonably enough D:

Only if you're a rubbish player.

[Alcibiades]

Dosnt matter if it is allowed or not, its abuse tactics, there is no diffrence between if a friend trigger or an enemy of the attacker triggering since the result is the same.

Unfortunately it does make a difference. Legally, the ingame definition makes a big difference as to whether or not it's mutual. I don't agree with that, and i think many players don't like it but it's a tough reality to live with with this game. Although the suggestions by CFalcon make AR triggering a thing of the past.

And as for that comment WildDisease: Solo is eminently playable without resorting to such tactics, i've managed solo several times in my 'so called' career, playing as POMs/Rangers/SO-SA/Puppets so it's eminently doable. And many other far more skilled players than I have managed to play solo efficiently, and effectively without having to resort to those tactics. Solo isn't meant to be invulnerable.... just like you're not invulnerable in an alliance.

[tobapopalos]

I've heard grumblings about these particular solos from several people so far. If they are who I think they are then it isn't the first time, either.

If it's who I think it is (badforu), he's supposed to be perma-banned.

Solos do this for a reason.. The current protection put in place for them is not reasonably enough D:

Only if you're a rubbish player.

Yeah I thought it was Badforu/AD.

Also, if solos think that AR isn't good enough then you know what the solution is. Don't go solo.

[Sir Drumalot]

I dont see why you're all so upset about this.. Its a tactic in the game, just like spys. Just like all tactics it takes knowledge to successfully pull off an AR trigger, in the same way it takes knowledge to know what to look for to prevent one. You missed the AR trigger mob and now ur upset because you wasted time and money, I understand and all but its just really lame.

Just appreciate the learning experience and hope you dont make the same mistake. The game doesnt need to be dumbed down so just anyone can play it well. Ive been away for a long time, but im glad AR trigger still works.. Mostly because its fun watching you all ***** about nothing, but also because if I had the chance id use it again..

[Alcibiades]

I dont see why you're all so upset about this.. Its a tactic in the game, just like spys. Just like all tactics it takes knowledge to successfully pull off an AR trigger, in the same way it takes knowledge to know what to look for to prevent one. You missed the AR trigger mob and now ur upset because you wasted time and money, I understand and all but its just really lame.

I beg to differ, it takes next to zero knowledge to pull off an AR trigger. Unless you happen to be a dribbling neanderthal knuckle dragger, in which case you can't send a mob to trigger appropriately. The fact remains that AR triggering is a pain in the arse for proper players. There are some tactics which were once acceptable and are now banned (Powerblocking for example); one can only hope that deliberate AR triggering follows the same evolutionary path as the dodo bird.

Moving on, how exactly do you look to 'prevent an event completely out of your control which results in some arsewipe triggering against your mob on ATF1.' If you have some mind control technique which works through the internet i'd be most intrigued to subscribe to your newsletter and possibly send you a cheque to acquire your techniques.


Just appreciate the learning experience and hope you dont make the same mistake. The game doesnt need to be dumbed down so just anyone can play it well. Ive been away for a long time, but im glad AR trigger still works.. Mostly because its fun watching you all ***** about nothing, but also because if I had the chance id use it again..

Don't make the same mistake? By that you mean "don't send at a solo who gets people to trigger on him?" I hope you're kidding. I shouldn't have to avoid hitting targets simply because he bends the rules and abuses loopholes to prevent a landgrab. The game doesn't have to be 'dumbed down' as you so ineptly put it so that people can't trigger on other people. This is hardly what i'd call dumbing down since it doesn't require any intelligence to begin with. All you need is a mob slot, troops and two people (or a multi).

I appreciate that you're a long time user of the game and certainly played a lot 'back in the day' but if you are a frequent user of 'AR triggering' I can only say that while you are welcome back to the game, i'm glad i never knew you before and certainly glad i won't make any effort to make your acquaintance in the future. AR triggering is just pathetic. If you can't play solo properly, then go play with with your barbie dolls and watch Teletubbies.

i can only hope you got confused between someone triggering AR on themselves, and a third party deliberately triggering AR on the attacker at the request of the defender.

[Sir Drumalot]

I dont see why you're all so upset about this.. Its a tactic in the game, just like spys. Just like all tactics it takes knowledge to successfully pull off an AR trigger, in the same way it takes knowledge to know what to look for to prevent one. You missed the AR trigger mob and now ur upset because you wasted time and money, I understand and all but its just really lame.

I beg to differ, it takes next to zero knowledge to pull off an AR trigger. Unless you happen to be a dribbling neanderthal knuckle dragger, in which case you can't send a mob to trigger appropriately. The fact remains that AR triggering is a pain in the arse for proper players. There are some tactics which were once acceptable and are now banned (Powerblocking for example); one can only hope that deliberate AR triggering follows the same evolutionary path as the dodo bird.

Moving on, how exactly do you look to 'prevent an event completely out of your control which results in some arsewipe triggering against your mob on ATF1.' If you have some mind control technique which works through the internet i'd be most intrigued to subscribe to your newsletter and possibly send you a cheque to acquire your techniques.


Just appreciate the learning experience and hope you dont make the same mistake. The game doesnt need to be dumbed down so just anyone can play it well. Ive been away for a long time, but im glad AR trigger still works.. Mostly because its fun watching you all ***** about nothing, but also because if I had the chance id use it again..

Don't make the same mistake? By that you mean "don't send at a solo who gets people to trigger on him?" I hope you're kidding. I shouldn't have to avoid hitting targets simply because he bends the rules and abuses loopholes to prevent a landgrab. The game doesn't have to be 'dumbed down' as you so ineptly put it so that people can't trigger on other people. This is hardly what i'd call dumbing down since it doesn't require any intelligence to begin with. All you need is a mob slot, troops and two people (or a multi).

I appreciate that you're a long time user of the game and certainly played a lot 'back in the day' but if you are a frequent user of 'AR triggering' I can only say that while you are welcome back to the game, i'm glad i never knew you before and certainly glad i won't make any effort to make your acquaintance in the future. AR triggering is just pathetic. If you can't play solo properly, then go play with with your barbie dolls and watch Teletubbies.

i can only hope you got confused between someone triggering AR on themselves, and a third party deliberately triggering AR on the attacker at the request of the defender.

Pain in the arse for real players?? Shouldnt have to?? Thats just lazy mate, he isnt bending the rules (If there has been put in place a rule that says its not allowed since my absence then I appologise, otherwise hes well in his rights of protecting himself).

I never said it takes intelligence mate, I said "knowledge".. All he has to do is know that if he doesnt have enough to defend then try for an AR trigger. Not everyone would think to do that, only experienced players or experienced players friends.

The solution is to recall and find another target or recall and wait until he is offline. How do you make something so simple, so complicated?

Sure its a pain in the ass, and by all means ***** about it endlessly.. Nothing will come of your *****ing so you may as well just find another way around it, huh?

Edit:
By the way some of the greatest players to grace this game have used this very tactic probably some you look up to, so your disgust towards the idea of me using it really does nothing for me.

[Alcibiades]

asking someone to trigger AR on you constitutes mutual attacking. That is not permitted by the EULA. Hard to prove? Yes. Dirty trick? Yes. Bending the rules? No. Breaking the rules? Yes. Sheer laziness on the part of a solo too incompetent to manage their AR? Also yes.

Apology accepted.

This is a gripe so i will ***** and moan about it as much as i please :P Just as you're free to ridicule that. However this sort of thing *should* be prohibited and there are at least two easy acceptable solutions as presented above. Also having to 'avoid targets' because they're cheating isn't what i'd term laziness. They're breaking the rules and that sort of thing should not be permitted in my humble opinion. If you want to 'boost your AR' to protect yourself, leave some troops home and take a landhit; then you've got a nice cosy AR, lower score so you can hit more targets and you had an opportunity to get rid of some extra score (read unwanted troops) that was deadweight, so to speak. There are better ways of boosting your AR than inviting someone to trigger on your attacker. That is just pure lame.

[Sir Drumalot]

asking someone to trigger AR on you constitutes mutual attacking. That is not permitted by the EULA. Hard to prove? Yes. Dirty trick? Yes. Bending the rules? No. Breaking the rules? Yes. Sheer laziness on the part of a solo too incompetent to manage their AR? Also yes.

Apology accepted.

Fair enough, I dont understand why mutual attacking would be outlawed, but you seem well informed so ill take your word for it. Learn something everyday.

Knowing that I wouldnt use it, im not a dirty player and neither were any of us when we were all using it. No matter the tactic as long as its legal it should be utalised. Chances are if everyones *****ing about it, its a good one.

I saw a thread where people were *****ing about spys, so I was a bit over all the pointless whining.

Anyway my point about finding another way is still valid, people are going to exploit loopholes and I dont know about you but id rather not read a million "OMG CHEATING *******!" threads.

[Alcibiades]

Well tis fair enough. My career doesn't stretch far enough back to remember the Wild West days full of banditry and exploitation ;) I'm not *that* well informed, just about certain subjects that are what might be called pet peeves of mine lol.

Triggering isn't illegal if it's not mutually agreed upon which is where the irritation comes in. It's next to bloody impossible to prove that it's mutual which leads to intense frustration amongst many players when it's bloody well obvious it's mutual but you just can't prove it. It's less of a '*******s they're cheating damn them' as a 'goddamnit i know they're cheating, i just can't prove and thus they're getting away scot free' kind of feeling. A somewhat subtle difference i know but it's just a big pain in the ass. The kind of pain that makes you stay up til way late at night just to zero the ****er ;)

There is loads of pointless whining here and fair enough you jumped on what you saw as more of it :P My apologies for jumping on you in return for that ;) Temper temper :( And i kind of like gripe threads, they're fun and provide endless entertainment seeing as how it's 1 AM and i'm here arguing it out lol.

[Sir Drumalot]

Dont even worry about it mate, it was entertaining for a bit there and I learnt something. What more could ya ask for? haha

[Antinoobkiller]

Yes, its disqusting to see them of anyone to moan about this.

And Silence should know better that going away from computer when attacking a high ranked solo is almost a certain death in some cases. I dont know how many times I have last ticked an attack. He could easily have avoided his suicide on the sas if his stayed online during all atf3.atf2,atf1. But I guess he was certain that noone was gonna trigger on him or nothing new was gonna happen.

So yes, he did a mistake when not being online. I know that when attacking a suspious player I stay online during all ticks. I think this goes for attacking alliance members too. You never go away from computer when attacking someone in the top.

Its simple to avoid. And well its always fun when it happens to someone else than yourself. especially the uberleets, shows that they are not better than anyone else.

[Polo]

And Silence should know better that going away from computer when attacking a high ranked solo is almost a certain death in some cases. I dont know how many times I have last ticked an attack. He could easily have avoided his suicide on the sas if his stayed online during all atf3.atf2,atf1. But I guess he was certain that noone was gonna trigger on him or nothing new was gonna happen.

Silence didn't suicide on SAS, OK? OK. Someone triggered SAS on his attack but he DOES know better than going afk when attacking so saw the SAS and recalled. OK!

[Tombi]

Look outside teh boxxxxx

Solos do this for a reason.. The current protection put in place for them is not reasonably enough D:

Again i believe this is completely and utterly wrong. Solos have ar that protects them from Overwhelming attacks, if somebody has calculated well they will send just enough to kill/block his or her target without triggering ar on him or her. Therefor triggering on purpose is utter pain that should be combated by banning anyplayers caught doing it period, whether or not it was on purpose it would combat the problem

[Antinoobkiller]

OK.

[pinpower]

And Silence should know better that going away from computer when attacking a high ranked solo is almost a certain death in some cases. I dont know how many times I have last ticked an attack. He could easily have avoided his suicide on the sas if his stayed online during all atf3.atf2,atf1. But I guess he was certain that noone was gonna trigger on him or nothing new was gonna happen.


As polo said i think he saw the SAS and recalled, thus creating this gripe. BUT i doubt he would have minded too much if he had died, prob getting a bit boring up there already! ;)

I think the point of the gripe was not that he died/didnt land, more that AR triggering like this even if it isnt against the rules (not going into the whole mutual attacking/random AR triggering etc) is just a pretty low thing to do...

[Antinoobkiller]

its not a low thing to do, I would do it too to my enemies so they would waste time,cash,troops,get frustrated, anything basically so my enemies would be come less. And since this is allowed, its nothing more lame than being in an alliance or 2 alliances attackin one alliance if you ask me. Its wargame and any bashing,ar triggering is part of this. Just accept it. Dont call it cheat or abuse when it is allowed. Thats lame and noobish.

I have got this over me, I know it is legal so therefor I have accepted it althou i moaned about this when it happened to me. But now its ok. OK

And yes I still know that mutual triggering is not allowed. but ffs you cant prove it so stop speaking about plis.

I can even compare this to farming bots. Stupid easy to attack them which I think is lame and abusive, almost cheating.

[pinpower]

lol, almost cheating attacking bots? HA!

But yeah its only illegal if its mutual BUT in most cases it is mutual. Not provable (rarely) i know but its still cheating and therefore "low". If you multi but dont get caught its still cheating, if you account share and dont get caught its still cheating...this (in most cases) is mutual attacking, just cos people dont get caught its still cheating...

[Enrico]

Well true, one round I was bored and spied around, noticed 2 high ranking players where using some solo group as vamp-farms, to get free Let-flak I suppose. They had probably done so a long time. Well I started sending a single SA a tick behind the big guys mobs.... hillarity ensued as a number of times SAS showed up 2. tick and killed the vamps, after 4 or 5 times they stopped sending...

Now I don't know who the solos was, I just did it to mess up the lives of the big vamps. If this was to be made illegal, I wouldn't miss it. But just remember, all triggering is not mutually agreed.

[f0xx]

Its wargame and any bashing,ar triggering is part of this. Just accept it.

Yep, and if you can't accept it, you can always go into sleeeeeep mode :$

Can't even remember how many threads have been made like this and nothing got done...

:/

Yep, very sad. Not just that, but Azzer not locking people for breaking the mutual attack rule is even worse.

[ZigZag]

I know at one time it was brought up that if someone triggered AR on a player that SAS or government defense would only attack the one that triggered. Leaving the original attacker alone. To me this seems like the easiest way to solve the problem.

[tobapopalos]

On the subject of cheating solos, I'd also like to draw attention to a solo puppet player just inside the top 100 who is constantly troop trading with two other solos, one of whom was previously his pnap and is now sending eta 4 mobs of prots at him so he can bribe them, and the other who is about 10% of his score and is sending mobs at him so he can retal and bribe both on attack and defence.

[Garrett]

I know at one time it was brought up that if someone triggered AR on a player that SAS or government defense would only attack the one that triggered. Leaving the original attacker alone. To me this seems like the easiest way to solve the problem.

you know i can't remember if i had supported that or not, but at least on the surface.. sure you wanna stop land loss but if the first person got under the % needed then kudos to them.

AR on those that triggered and leave the person who didn't alone.

However, I guess it's possible that there is no way to differentiate peoples troops in the combat ticker calcs.

[f0xx]

On the subject of cheating solos, I'd also like to draw attention to a solo puppet player just inside the top 100 who is constantly troop trading with two other solos, one of whom was previously his pnap and is now sending eta 4 mobs of prots at him so he can bribe them, and the other who is about 10% of his score and is sending mobs at him so he can retal and bribe both on attack and defence.

Oh tobi. I've sent Azzer mails pointing out cheaters. People who trigger on each other (and also admitted it to me in a mail). Other multis. There was even a multi in RRR at one point and I believe he got kicked from there for the exact same reason, yet Azzer hasn't done anything.

Previous rounds there have been cheaters in top 10 and I've had to make forum posts so he can take action.

*shrug*

[tobapopalos]

Well we can just keep shouting about it and make as much fuss as possible until he DOES do something about it :P

[Alcibiades]

On the subject of cheating solos, I'd also like to draw attention to a solo puppet player just inside the top 100 who is constantly troop trading with two other solos, one of whom was previously his pnap and is now sending eta 4 mobs of prots at him so he can bribe them, and the other who is about 10% of his score and is sending mobs at him so he can retal and bribe both on attack and defence.

Oh tobi. I've sent Azzer mails pointing out cheaters. People who trigger on each other (and also admitted it to me in a mail). Other multis. There was even a multi in RRR at one point and I believe he got kicked from there for the exact same reason, yet Azzer hasn't done anything.


*suspected Multi*. I don't think we had any proof but we weren't taking any chances. He was kicked for a variety of reasons, that being one of many. :( Why oh why do people feel it necessary to cheat at this game?!

[WildDisease]

Solos do this for a reason.. The current protection put in place for them is not reasonably enough D:

Only if you're a rubbish player.


I believe very well that solo status is more used by the new players to Bushtarion.. Of course they are going to be rubbish..

That's my point - not reasonably enough

[Scorpio]

Its wargame and any bashing,ar triggering is part of this. Just accept it.

Yep, and if you can't accept it, you can always go into sleeeeeep mode :$


Rofl.
Somebody just got WTFPwned by f0xx there :D

[tobapopalos]

On the subject of cheating solos, I'd also like to draw attention to a solo puppet player just inside the top 100 who is constantly troop trading with two other solos, one of whom was previously his pnap and is now sending eta 4 mobs of prots at him so he can bribe them, and the other who is about 10% of his score and is sending mobs at him so he can retal and bribe both on attack and defence.

Has now been admin locked :D

[Rama]

Just saw this, must say its nothing against the rules and there is anything you can do, thou must say to silence that that guy made a mistake, maybe last round was worth it to suicide a bit to get your AR to 90, but nowdays its not worth it, if noone attacks him in 2 days he have it back to 0 because now Ar drops faster as hell. I remember AR took you like 4-5 days to get back to 0 But that has changed, so in 2 days he can get killed again. I know he wont be in your range and lost a land grab but if he keeps doing that tactic wont surive long.

[Twigley]

*suspected Multi*. I don't think we had any proof but we weren't taking any chances. He was kicked for a variety of reasons, that being one of many. :( Why oh why do people feel it necessary to cheat at this game?!

Who?