Old Farts - Bottomfeeding bashers

[Enrico]

Just to stop clogging up the thread on Fail. in politics that Garrett started, and Melnibone subsequently waylayed, please let's rather continue any discussion on Old Farts despicable tactics here instead.

Personally I think I made my point clear earlier, but meh.
Gripegripetygripegripe.

There, done.
:D

[Podunk]

Hardly despicable, its a war game ffs.
If you're in a fair fight, you're doing something wrong.

[Dark_Angel]

If you're in a fair fight, you're doing something wrong.


lulz. Love it :P

[cb1202]

If any of your guys were in range RRR would hit you with 5 or 6 members minimum. This wave bottom feeding has been going on since round 5 when I started, and I see no reason for u to complain about it. You need to stop being a baby and deal with it, like every other alliance. We hit people with more troop score than their entire alliance has put together and they do not complain, so what gives u the right to complain? I personally was involved in such a wave on OF, and there wasnt a single complaint. Grow up or go solo.

[Hobbezak]

If you're in a fair fight, you're doing something wrong.

And that, Podunk, is why I have killed twice as much as you this round. <3

@CB1202: Check the forums. I have seen plenty of whining about your resistance against OF. :p

[Enrico]

If any of your guys were in range RRR would hit you with 5 or 6 members minimum. This wave bottom feeding has been going on since round 5 when I started, and I see no reason for u to complain about it. You need to stop being a baby and deal with it, like every other alliance. We hit people with more troop score than their entire alliance has put together and they do not complain, so what gives u the right to complain? I personally was involved in such a wave on OF, and there wasnt a single complaint. Grow up or go solo.

OF _not_ complaining about waves?? What weird and wonderful world have you been staying in?

For those that haven't read the original thread, my gripe is not that they bash/bottomfeed per see, (event though they are the worst bashers I have seen _this_ round), but that they do so while still complaining about TBA (Fail/Enmity/S2N) waving them.

It's the hypocrisy that bugs me. Incoming is nothing new, and we know how to handle it. It is just boring having to just play defense for days, rather than play proactively, but hey that is part of the game.

:)

But enough of the old ****: Game on peeps!

[cb1202]

If any of your guys were in range RRR would hit you with 5 or 6 members minimum. This wave bottom feeding has been going on since round 5 when I started, and I see no reason for u to complain about it. You need to stop being a baby and deal with it, like every other alliance. We hit people with more troop score than their entire alliance has put together and they do not complain, so what gives u the right to complain? I personally was involved in such a wave on OF, and there wasnt a single complaint. Grow up or go solo.

OF _not_ complaining about waves?? What weird and wonderful world have you been staying in?

For those that haven't read the original thread, my gripe is not that they bash/bottomfeed per see, (event though they are the worst bashers I have seen _this_ round), but that they do so while still complaining about TBA (Fail/Enmity/S2N) waving them.

It's the hypocrisy that bugs me. Incoming is nothing new, and we know how to handle it. It is just boring having to just play defense for days, rather than play proactively, but hey that is part of the game.

:)

But enough of the old ****: Game on peeps!


No they complained about being bashed by a "resistance" which consisted of members of 5 different allies sending at them, and TBH it is a valid complaint. When alliances band together to knock down the top alliance, and end up hitting the rank 5 alliance something is wrong. They are not hypocrits, because when they get waved by people who are all in one alliance then they do not complain. Their complaints about the resistance were valid, but your complaints about them are just ridiculous. There is a big difference between being hit by one alliance compared to having 4 or 5 hitting u in an organized manner. I would be ashamed if my leader came on here and complained about a little incoming. It makes your alliance look weak, and I wouldnt be surprised if you ended up getting more incoming for that reason.

[Enrico]

If any of your guys were in range RRR would hit you with 5 or 6 members minimum. This wave bottom feeding has been going on since round 5 when I started, and I see no reason for u to complain about it. You need to stop being a baby and deal with it, like every other alliance. We hit people with more troop score than their entire alliance has put together and they do not complain, so what gives u the right to complain? I personally was involved in such a wave on OF, and there wasnt a single complaint. Grow up or go solo.

OF _not_ complaining about waves?? What weird and wonderful world have you been staying in?

For those that haven't read the original thread, my gripe is not that they bash/bottomfeed per see, (event though they are the worst bashers I have seen _this_ round), but that they do so while still complaining about TBA (Fail/Enmity/S2N) waving them.

It's the hypocrisy that bugs me. Incoming is nothing new, and we know how to handle it. It is just boring having to just play defense for days, rather than play proactively, but hey that is part of the game.

:)

But enough of the old ****: Game on peeps!


No they complained about being bashed by a "resistance" which consisted of members of 5 different allies sending at them, and TBH it is a valid complaint. When alliances band together to knock down the top alliance, and end up hitting the rank 5 alliance something is wrong. They are not hypocrits, because when they get waved by people who are all in one alliance then they do not complain. Their complaints about the resistance were valid, but your complaints about them are just ridiculous. There is a big difference between being hit by one alliance compared to having 4 or 5 hitting u in an organized manner. I would be ashamed if my leader came on here and complained about a little incoming. It makes your alliance look weak, and I wouldnt be surprised if you ended up getting more incoming for that reason.

Well, this will be boring for old readers: But they at most had incoming from 3 alliances + a few randoms looking for free land or sweet bounty. We did not send any organized attack on them (Why would we, we had just landraped Rats Eater and had no need for more land. For that matter, at the time we allegedly had "10+ people on one tick" on OF, we had a grand total of 7 people online, all busy blocking two solos attacking us.). And to be honest, we have had inc from 3-4 allliances at a time earlier and not complained a bit. It is just the blatant hypocrisy of an alliance first having the balls to complain when they themselves get waved/bashed/attacked for 24 hours or whatever it was, and the turn right around and doing the same on a much smaller alliance for days on end.

[Melnibone]

Hypocrisy? Bottom Feeding?

Now you are just being retarded and thankfully most posters on this thread see it lets analyze your comments shall we.....

'Well, this will be boring for old readers: But they at most had incoming from 3 alliances + a few randoms looking for free land or sweet bounty. We did not send any organized attack on them'

Actually 5 alliances + randoms 110 seperate mobs combined troop totals of 4.3 tril (approx) against a rank 5 alliance... the situation with OF and EF this is one alliance vs one alliance maximum what? 6 of our members? so 6 or 7 whole mobs totalling what 500-600mil troops?
Yeah i can see the comparisons there ^^

'For that matter, at the time we allegedly had "10+ people on one tick" on OF, we had a grand total of 7 people online,'

There were several members of our alliance that had more than 10 people on a tick on them including id's from EF no-one said EF sent 10 members at each OF member... but hey whats ACTUALLY said is irrelevant to you Enrico eh? just spouting nonsense to try and get some sympathy?

And to be honest, we have had inc from 3-4 allliances at a time earlier and not complained a bit. It is just the blatant hypocrisy of an alliance first having the balls to complain when they themselves get waved/bashed/attacked for 24 hours or whatever it was, and the turn right around and doing the same on a much smaller alliance for days on end.

Totally and utterly wrong we did not need to wait till 4 other alliances were attacking you to come and attack you we did it ourselves



Simply put your alliance has been attacking ours and vice versa since round start (most alliances have been duh!) You came as part of large 'resistance' against OF. OF took the decision to steal your acres and kill your troops as revenge for this.

You then proceeded to claim we were gutless for not staying so just to try and stop your whining we stayed and killed your troops and ive seen you whining about that too ^^

You are a weak alliance leader your only response to getting attacked 1v1 is to bleat on the forums that a SINGLE alliance is killing your troops and stealing your land yes you are much smaller than us now you were not at the start, your current rank and position is a result of OF hitting you the funny thing is youd have a lot more land and a helluva lot more troops if you hadnt been acting like such an idiot on the forums

OF have lost some wars and won some others but win or lose we fight alone, you on the other hand have been REAL bashers as ourselves and independant witnesses have specified in this thread and others

Hypocrisy? look in the mirror Enrico your getting confused at what a bash is and who has in fact perpitrated one this round......................

[Yang]

Meh you guys bashed me when you were like 200% of my score ;P

[f0xx]

Please let's rather continue any discussion on Old Farts despicable tactics here instead.

Personally I think I made my point clear earlier, but meh.
Gripegripetygripegripe.

There, done.
:D

"War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can’t smile, grin. If you can’t grin, keep out of the way till you can."

[Turnip2k]

You were / still are incredibly landfat for your score. You took part in the hits on OF. Stop crying and accept it as karma.

I don't understand why you think this is so dispicable. It's called getting attacked - and making this thread shows you can't handle it - any ally worth their salt which has you in range that reads this should be brutally attacking you at this point.

[Elevnos]

I kept on getting attacked as leader of Darkfire, in fact the whole alliance did, but we defended (until we disbanded) and we didn't complain about it despite getting massed by top alliances, especially the one with (message me for person) in it.

[Enrico]

You were / still are incredibly landfat for your score. You took part in the hits on us. Stop crying and accept it as karma.

I don't understand why you think this is so dispicable. It's called getting attacked - and making this thread shows you can't handle it - you deserve to get you raped sensless by any ally worth their salt that has you in their range.

Oh go stroke your e-penis elsewhere. :)

I made this thread because the whole silly discussion was spamming up a completely different thread. (The one about Fail.)

And we can handle it: My gripe is not about being attacked, silly, that's part of the game!
My complain is that OF seems to think they have some noble cause for attacking due to some random member in our ally tagging along for free acres on zeroed targets, rather than be frank and say: "Meh, we want land, and we think you are easy, but just to make sure we dont actually risk anything send 8 people pr ID at a time", and at the same time claim what Enmity/Fail/S2N did was very evil.

THAT my friend is hypocrisy.
:)

[Melnibone]

if we had complained of inc from one alliance we'd be hypocrites... there were 5...

you complain of inc from 1 alliance that you joined in the 5 alliance bash on....

YOU are the hypocrite and you are most certainly not dealing with it you got beat down from 6/7th to 10th lost a lot of acres and had most of your members zerod

thats called losing not dealing and whining on the forums is called losing badly

again Epic Fail - aptly named

[Turnip2k]

Oh go stroke your e-penis elsewhere. :)

I made this thread because the whole silly discussion was spamming up a completely different thread. (The one about Fail.)

And we can handle it: My gripe is not about being attacked, silly, that's part of the game!
My complain is that OF seems to think they have some noble cause for attacking due to some random member in our ally tagging along for free acres on zeroed targets, rather than be frank and say: "Meh, we want land, and we think you are easy, but just to make sure we dont actually risk anything send 8 people pr ID at a time", and at the same time claim what Enmity/Fail/S2N did was very evil.

THAT my friend is hypocrisy.
:)

Damn, it just REEKS of easy land round here.

Ofc I can only speak for myself, but there is no noble cause here. It was simple, you had land. We had units. We took land. Thats how the game works. Revenge just made it sweeter, more justified and slightly more entertaining.

[moorer]

Fact is attacking at 40% is pretty much commonplace in bush, always has been always will be. Alliances attacking in waves of 4/5/6/7 mobs is pretty much commonplace. People coming on to forums seeking/sympathy support for being bashed is pretty much comonplace (sadly).

Time to get back to the real world - Big eats small always has done always will. Look at the animal world - big animals eat smaller ones. Look at the corporate world - big companies eat little ones.

Enrico, you and your alliance have had a hard few days granted. OF had a few hard days. The true measure of a player/alliance is how he/she/they react to it. You knuckle down and get on with the game or you whinge and moan. I know which approach earns my respect.

If you have been zeroed don't dwell on what you have lost, concentrate on what you have gained. Fresh targets to flak new alliances to battle with. I was zeroed at beginning of the week by an alliance that was at war with us. Got no insurance and no injuries so truly zeroed. I have had great fun in the last few days flakking for land, you and your alliance have a similar opportunity, take it, let the past go get on with enjoying the fun parts of the game.

[Enrico]

Actually 5 alliances + randoms 110 seperate mobs combined troop totals of 4.3 tril (approx) against a rank 5 alliance... the situation with OF and EF this is one alliance vs one alliance maximum what? 6 of our members? so 6 or 7 whole mobs totalling what 500-600mil troops?


Hillarious, at one time you had way more than 2 trillion on us, we did 800 bill damage on one ID being bashed, and killed one of your robos on another, get your facts right.


'For that matter, at the time we allegedly had "10+ people on one tick" on OF, we had a grand total of 7 people online,'

There were several members of our alliance that had more than 10 people on a tick on them including id's from EF no-one said EF sent 10 members at each OF member... but hey whats ACTUALLY said is irrelevant to you Enrico eh? just spouting nonsense to try and get some sympathy?


Well, I have messages we received from some of the people who bashed us yesterday claiming "EF send 10 mobs on us at the same tick as the other mobs apperared" (sic) Which is ludicrous.



And to be honest, we have had inc from 3-4 allliances at a time earlier and not complained a bit. It is just the blatant hypocrisy of an alliance first having the balls to complain when they themselves get waved/bashed/attacked for 24 hours or whatever it was, and the turn right around and doing the same on a much smaller alliance for days on end.

Totally and utterly wrong we did not need to wait till 4 other alliances were attacking you to come and attack you we did it ourselves


Simply put your alliance has been attacking ours and vice versa since round start (most alliances have been duh!) You came as part of large 'resistance' against OF. OF took the decision to steal your acres and kill your troops as revenge for this.


How the **** can there be a resistance agains a rank 5 ally? Some alliances decided to try and rape you. (From what some posted on the other thread: Enmity, S2N, Fail, DW, RRR(!) and us...) Do you think that is the resistance?



You then proceeded to claim we were gutless for not staying so just to try and stop your whining we stayed and killed your troops and ive seen you whining about that too ^^

You are a weak alliance leader your only response to getting attacked 1v1 is to bleat on the forums that a SINGLE alliance is killing your troops and stealing your land yes you are much smaller than us now you were not at the start, your current rank and position is a result of OF hitting you the funny thing is youd have a lot more land and a helluva lot more troops if you hadnt been acting like such an idiot on the forums


We were around 29 bill, you were what, 79 bill?
And to repeat (this seems hard for you to get) Im not irritated due to you attacking, I just want you to admit it was a bottomfeeding bashing of a much smaller alliance, preformed by an ally who posted plenty of post about how evil the "resistance" (yup RRR and all the othe members obviously) was for trying to hit you?




OF have lost some wars and won some others but win or lose we fight alone, you on the other hand have been REAL bashers as ourselves and independant witnesses have specified in this thread and others

Hypocrisy? look in the mirror Enrico your getting confused at what a bash is and who has in fact perpitrated one this round......................

LOL, who have we bashed again? Yes we hit Rats Eater in a coordinated manner, but that is about it... :D But hey if you seriously mean an ally worth 10% of the top is capable of bashing anything, including much stronger and more active alliances, I should perhaps take that as a compliment.

Anyway, I'm tired of your propaganda, you obviously feel the need to defend your actions, fine. But realize the reason I griped about you and not the other bakers dozen of alliances who have attacked us this round, is because of your blatant hypocrisy.

All aboard the Failboat! :D

[Enrico]

fact is attacking at 40% is pretty much commonplace in bush, always has been always will be. Alliances attacking in waves of 4/5/6/7 mobs is pretty much commonplace. People coming on to forums seeking/sympathy support for being bashed is pretty much comonplace (sadly).

Time to get back to the real world - big eats small always has done always will. Look at the animal world - big animals eat smaller ones. Look at the corporate world - big companies eat little ones.

Enrico, you and your alliance have had a hard few days granted. Of had a few hard days. The true measure of a player/alliance is how he/she/they react to it. You knuckle down and get on with the game or you whinge and moan. I know which approach earns my respect.

If you have been zeroed don't dwell on what you have lost, concentrate on what you have gained. Fresh targets to flak new alliances to battle with. I was zeroed at beginning of the week by an alliance that was at war with us. Got no insurance and no injuries so truly zeroed. I have had great fun in the last few days flakking for land, you and your alliance have a similar opportunity, take it, let the past go get on with enjoying the fun parts of the game.

qft! :d

[Scorpio]

Fact is attacking at 40% is pretty much commonplace in bush, always has been always will be. Alliances attacking in waves of 4/5/6/7 mobs is pretty much commonplace. People coming on to forums seeking/sympathy support for being bashed is pretty much comonplace (sadly).

Time to get back to the real world - Big eats small always has done always will. Look at the animal world - big animals eat smaller ones. Look at the corporate world - big companies eat little ones.

Enrico, you and your alliance have had a hard few days granted. OF had a few hard days. The true measure of a player/alliance is how he/she/they react to it. You knuckle down and get on with the game or you whinge and moan. I know which approach earns my respect.

If you have been zeroed don't dwell on what you have lost, concentrate on what you have gained. Fresh targets to flak new alliances to battle with. I was zeroed at beginning of the week by an alliance that was at war with us. Got no insurance and no injuries so truly zeroed. I have had great fun in the last few days flakking for land, you and your alliance have a similar opportunity, take it, let the past go get on with enjoying the fun parts of the game.

Sums it up.

Now please stop whining, all of you? :P
All this constant bickering / whining / flaming is really annoying me.. -_-

[Melnibone]

Hillarious, at one time you had way more than 2 trillion on us, we did 800 bill damage on one ID being bashed, and killed one of your robos on another, get your facts right.

no there were 6 mobs on that attack that contained troops of any note 3 that included troops. You'd asked for a fight and you got one, over 3 ticks you did indeed do 800bil damage but you received 2 tril damage in return finishing any chance you had of lethally defending an incoming BR's are available if you wish to dispute

'Well, I have messages we received from some of the people who bashed us yesterday claiming "EF send 10 mobs on us at the same tick as the other mobs apperared" (sic) Which is ludicrous.'

the only possible mail you can mean is the one that includes the line
'yes just 2!!!! you gave us upwards of 10 per target combined with 5 other alliances that had, combined, upwards of 6 times our score.'

i think you'll find that this line clearly indicates that COMBINED from the 5 alliance there were 10 per target including members of EF

'How the **** can there be a resistance agains a rank 5 ally? Some alliances decided to try and rape you. (From what some posted on the other thread: Enmity, S2N, Fail, DW, RRR(!) and us...) Do you think that is the resistance?'

You were flagged as a resistance alliance and you attacked alongside the alliances mentioned so id ask you why your members joined in resisting the rank 5 alliance? and 'how the ****' you justify it?

We were around 29 bill, you were what, 79 bill?
And to repeat (this seems hard for you to get) Im not irritated due to you attacking, I just want you to admit it was a bottomfeeding bashing of a much smaller alliance, preformed by an ally who posted plenty of post about how evil the "resistance" (yup RRR and all the othe members obviously) was for trying to hit you?

again wrong as far as land counts go at the start of yesterday before Fail fell hard you had 95k acres us 100k if we had more troops and score that is a failing on your part that land was going to someone as you obviously had no troops to save it. There's no hypocrisy in coming 1 alliance vs 1 alliance to take it....

'LOL, who have we bashed again?'

US alongside 4 other alliances some smaller than us some MUCH larger this has been almost admitted by you after numerous posts denying it.

'Anyway, I'm tired of your propaganda'

we took you to task in game for your actions you are the ones spouting on every forum about OF bashing when they are simply fighting 1v1 your propoganda like your alliance and leadership FAILS

'All aboard the Failboat!'

I doubt anyone experiencing your actions this round would get aboard with you unless ofc they liked dying due to their incompetent leaders attempt at propoganda...

[Old Fart]

Hello Enrico

I wasn't going to reply to your posts in Garrett's thread on Fail, i rather not ruin an interesting and amusing thread over trivial dribble. However since you've felt the need to gripe, i feel compelled to reply (so apologises to the Bush Forum Public - if i could stop myself i would).

First i'd like to clarify something, when this account posts it speaks for the alliance and holds no other view beyond the agreed collective view of the alliance Old Farts. Any members who post expresses there own individual view point and not of the total alliance. Althrough a number of our members who have new forum accounts have posted and raised valid points, which our majority agree and fully support.

Now i've gone and review all 5 of this accounts forum posts and note the following:
Of which we will ignore 3 that relate to recruitment unless you've found offense with those, in which case we shall revisit them maybe in a gripe with an interesting title.

The other posts relate to a message to all alliances in the Bush community outlining who we Old Farts are and how we feel/think about certain topics in a way we hoped made a few people smile. Our last post was to bring to the attention of the community the failure of the resistance to resist, and the fact they were using bullying tactics similiar to those used in R30 by the TBA for game control.

I thought i made it clear we were not complaining, merely stating the facts. However i can see how you could misunderstood our intent.
This first time i hit Epic Fail it was unorganised. Old Farts had a mission regain our land at the least possible cost while we weren't being bashed. We chose Epic Fail for the following reasons: You attacked us with the resistance, you were smaller, less active and we'd land on you.
We did the same the next day. For the same reasons.
Then we got the whining message asking why the resistance was hitting EF (some of your members need to check ids before they mail), then we saw you still had your resistance flag and decided that thou art truely a bunch of idiots. So we attacked you again.

We then got the mails to attackers and our HQ from you plus the postage on the fourm. It's there you made an error, you posted a denial. If you had said "yeah we sent on OF abit with the resistance" we'd have nodded and said he has balls! good for him. But you didn't, instead you were dishonest and misleading. And that is why we hit you again.

Rebuild
Have fun
Be merry
Be a good leader, and do right by your alliance. (and bringing attention to your weakness on the public forum was not the best choice to do so :( )

Cheerio
An Old Fart

[Enrico]

Heh, still at it Melnibone? This will be my last reply to you as you seem incapable, or unwilling to understand simple facts.

Yeah, Im fully aware you did around 1.9 trill damage when we did 820 bill (I was there silly) My point was that it just proves that your estimate of 6-700 bill pr target was way off!

And to set this straight: You mean everything an ally which are part of the resistance does, is an action of the resistance?? The resistance is no snaped powerblock, it's a set of different allies with different agendas, strategies and plans, who decides to work together on a common goal (take down the top alliance). That does not mean they never attack eash other, that they all take action as a single entity, or for that matter is responsible for each others actions. And since when did RRR become part of the resistance again? :P

Jeez, grow up, take it on the chin and game on kiddo!

All aboard the Failboat!

[Melnibone]

Fail led by DA at the time in the resistance channel decided to take out OF as 'practise' for hitting RRR, your alliance had a representative in that channel and launched in the original waves. <---- FACT

You through several threads have denied this as firstly you had incoming from us to defend that changed to incoming from 2 solos... From your first rant on forums to this you have consistently lied to either gain support or detract us from our attacks

Now what have i to 'take on the chin' your blatant and subsequently proven untruths? your amazing defense? you have shown me nothing ingame or on forums that has led me to believe i need to 'take' anything except your land

All your attempts failed and you are sitting looking fat and troopless. I genuinely hope that was your last post as you have shown yourself to be a liar and a bad leader, your decisions have cost your alliance troops and land. Now please just stfu and start rebuilding.


Good day to you.

[Enrico]

We then got the mails to attackers and our HQ from you plus the postage on the fourm. It's there you made an error, you posted a denial. If you had said "yeah we sent on OF abit with the resistance" we'd have nodded and said he has balls! good for him. But you didn't, instead you were dishonest and misleading. And that is why we hit you again.


TBH, I never said no-one from EF sent at any members of OF. That was stated both in post and the mail to your HQ. I said we had no _organized_ attacks on OF.

I was offline/afk most of that evening, so I do now know how many may have sent, but given the normal activity level, the fact most had the land count they needed, and the fact we had several solos attacking us, I doubt there was the numbers _some_ of your members seem to imply. (10+?)

I thus asked nicely for say a list of the IDs which had hit you. (We sometime cooperate with other allies, and we know from experience some do not have a complete list of our members, or claim people are members who are not.) I got the reply that they attacked those that attacked them, which must be a lie, as at the time some were inbound on at least one ID who was away for the whole duration of the attacks on OF and thus cannot have had any part in an attack on you.

You attacked us to try and grab land for as little losses as possible, congratulations, that is what I have tried to get some vocal members of your alliance to admit the whole time, rather than pull some halfassed excuse of US bashing you...


Rebuild
Have fun
Be merry
Be a good leader, and do right by your alliance. (and bringing attention to your weakness on the public forum was not the best choice to do so :( )

Cheerio
An Old Fart

Well it ired me that
a) we were accused of cowardly bashing a larger ally, when we did no such thing.
b) it was stated that the attacks on you were perpetrated by "the resistance" when that is obviously wrong. (As noted, some of the alliances who attacked you are not part of the resistance, several resistance allies did not attack you at all.)

We will rebuild, and it will be fun, it is after all just a game! And thanks to you our land fat is at an all time low since the flakwars. I don't bear grudges, i grudge bears! :)

All aboard the Failboat!

[WackyJacky]

Havn't read this thread so I have no idea what's been said.

Enrico - man up. You complained when myself and one of our CW players attacked you guys one night. Stop complaining and defend. 2 people vs. 20.

It's a war game ffs. We never griped about being smashed and bashed, we laughed at how many people were needed to attempt to take us down using the "resistance" safe belt. Besides now you can grow back up and kill us all :) That's how the game is supposed to played.

Bashing happens, it's free land. If you can't defend of course OF are going to hit you over and over.

[Garrett]

look on one hand this whole episode sucks

on the other hand, a round wouldn't be a round without a complaint of this type.

will this thread accomplish anything? nope.

will that stop it from going on for 6 more pages? :( :( :(

[Enrico]

Jacky - Sure but call it what it is: Bashing.

Garrett - I have moved on, but those who feel the need to continue the "discussion" can do so if they want. We're busy rebuilding and growing back to size! :D

And GL with the Resistance!

All aboard the Failboat.

[antisback]

"Then we got the whining message asking why the resistance was hitting EF (some of your members need to check ids before they mail), then we saw you still had your resistance flag and decided that thou art truely a bunch of idiots. So we attacked you again."

One way or another, thanks for that generalisation...

On guy in old farts mailed me once, therefore you're all a bunch of spammers ;)

[Hobbezak]

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Seriously, this is just completely retarded. Perhaps the attackers from this battle report can explain where the fun is in a battle on a smaller alliance (this is from a spy on DiscWorld) with 7! attackers on the same tick.
Obviously you do as you like, but when I see these kind of attacks that obviously bother me a great deal, I feel the need to post this on the forums.

PS: Is it whining/complaining if you're not in any way connected to the person who got this inc? :)

[Melnibone]

OMFG the rank 5 alliance sent 250mil troops at the rank 6 alliance

Ban the Old Farts for warring for acres in a war game!!!

Really Hobbezak are you that bored.................

[Hobbezak]

OMFG the rank 5 alliance sent 250mil troops at the rank 6 alliance

Ban the Old Farts for warring for acres in a war game!!!

Really Hobbezak are you that bored.................

7 on one tick on Discworld (not exactly the superlative of activity).
Really Melni, are you that unskilled?

[CLem]

Discworld is only 1 rank below OF Hobbe.....

[Hobbezak]

Discworld is only 1 rank below OF Hobbe.....

Irrelevant? Where's the fun in attacking with 7 on one tick? I was just asking OF on where they get their fun in this game from, because I'm quite interested to know. There is NO battle if you attack a rather inactive ally with 7 on one tick. You know it, I know it, they knew it.

Let's turn this around. It's a wargame. Wargame = having war? Having war = having battles? This kind of ridiculous bashing = no battle.

When we were hitting TIR, or DW, or even EF, we had only in rare occasions more than 1 player per tick. It's defendable, meaning you can actually get battles. What OF do this round, and you cannot deny it, is bash lower ranked alliances with at least 3 per tick, and on the other hand say "omg we don't like attacking rank 1 ally, it's not our playstyle!!! :'( :'( :'("

Tell me, what's the difference between sending 7 per tick on DW, or 7 per tick on RRR? Profit? Very marginal profit with the current landcap.

/rant.

[Enrico]

Discworld is only 1 rank below OF Hobbe.....

I think they were still only half the size of OF before the bashing began, CLem. And with DWs famous activity that's not kicking the puppy, that's more like buttraeping it and then throwing it on the barbeque! :P

[Melnibone]

Lol basic tactics are to draw the enemy into a fight (you mentioned liking big BR's) you kill their lethals then its very easy to launch 1v1 and there's fewer of the enemies to defend against you this ensures you gain maximum land and kills this in effect grows your alliance

Now that the lessons over let me just thank both Hobbe and Enrico for being our official stalkers this round, tactics that are both viable and widely used apparently cant be used by OF because these 2 say so ^^

Not much point in posting anymore as anything that anyone in this alliance does one of these stalkers will find a flaw in it guess its much better to just get smashed non stop and whine on the forums than to actually try to keep yourself and your friends alive and ahead of the game eh? so please feel free to moan at everything we do each gripe i shall personally take as a compliment that were doing something right :)

[Enrico]

Hmm just wondered what other ally in the game actually put 7 attackers on the same tick?? As you seem to think that is commonplace Melnibone? And no, its not a particularly good strategy, as there is only to send out, and the landcap will kick in and whoever is massed just loose 10% acres. (or what the bottom level to the landcap is this round)

Another problem with attacking én masse is that when you put all your unhatched chickens in the same woven receptacle, you risk getting a fluke defense that kills much of your attack force OR get a big BR that at the same time kills a lot of the target alliance below your attack range so you cant go back for land.

Usually it is more effective to team up the attackers and spread the attacks, with a bit of luck, you can both kill 3-4 people and grab 3-4 ticks of land with less cap.

The only ways a mass bash on one tick is useful in my opinion is in cases where you want to kill a much larger solo, (as to not kick off AR after the first tick) or during resistance when the rank 1 has proved themselves very competent.

On the other hand, I understand why OF is keen to keep the risk of their mobs as low as possible. they are probably the only alliance rank 2-4 can do a proper attack on now. And if a resistance attack goes pear-shaped they might be used as a motivational boost for one of the top allies.

[aGit]

hobbe, c'mon! since when have you been a flaming retard? wth does it matter that an alliance supposdedly has lower activity? we should respect that? we should not attack this alliance because they are lower than us?

enrico, play the game, if you honestly cannot see the massbashing going around here, talking about the 7 on a tick here, you should open your eyes. it IS quite commonplace.

On another note, Old farts play the game like they used to love it. not like the newfags play it.

[CLem]

Discworld is only 1 rank below OF Hobbe.....

I think they were still only half the size of OF before the bashing began, CLem. And with DWs famous activity that's not kicking the puppy, that's more like buttraeping it and then throwing it on the barbeque! :P

OF has 60k more land than DW but only 30bil more in score, that suggest that the amount of LET in both allies are quite similar. I have seen DW's defence and I have to stay they are not as "inactive" as you thought.

I don't know the logic behind the attack, but if it is to make sure that they don't get defense and kill one of their big inactive players then it is a fair tactic. If the attack is purely going for a land grab then it is not that well justified.

If i know my enermy is going to put up a good fight and I really want that certain ID to die when they are offline, I am willing to load as many ID on one guy as I could gather.

Strangly no DW players have come and moan here yet, so kudos to them, they must have been dealing with the incs quite well :)

[timtadams]

lol, people moan about 7 players on one tick. Why?

Its not a good tactic? So what. Its easy, and it works. Not everyone can be a tactical genius, or be bothered to put in the effort to attack in waves ect.

On no, they get less land...so why are you complaining?

As so many of you like to put it, it's a war game. It isnt supposed to be fair.

[Melnibone]

Guys no point in replying to Enrico and Hobbe its not about facts or tactics with them they have Gerontophobia.... leave them to their fear and ignorance

[Enrico]

lol, people moan about 7 players on one tick. Why?

Its not a good tactic? So what. Its easy, and it works. Not everyone can be a tactical genius, or be bothered to put in the effort to attack in waves ect.

On no, they get less land...so why are you complaining?

As so many of you like to put it, it's a war game. It isn't supposed to be fair.

Nah, as I said, I don't care, I just think its a bad strategy if there plan is to get the most acres out of it. It will be slow going if they use 7 people to get 10% off one player.

If it on the other hand it's to kill a big, inactive player to make sure he/she don't interfere later on in an ongoing war, fair enough. But then you risk the player being called online to send out, and 1,5 hour is wasted.


And you are right, it isn't supposed to be fair, but it is supposed to be fun. And I don't think it's that much fun to send together with 4-5-6 others for no BR (or at best a singel tick with carnage if the target don't send out) and then maybe less than 100 acres in return.

I (and I'm only talking for myself, everyone probably have their own opinion on this) enjoy much better to find some player maybe around 65% of me, with a kooky route setup, send on him alone, and then spy to see what shows up in defense, maybe putting out a few fakes, or guessing what the defenders do send, and BOOM more or less wipe him on my own.

But then again, I miss the old Bountyhunt ranking... :D

[Old Fart]

PhoenixFires of Pastlives i am sorry i tried to resist, but...meh... i am weak! :(

Right!

Mr Enrico & Mr Hobbes

Your attention please.
I want you to read this very carefully - i will write this only once.

You seem to be under the illusion your opinion actually matters to us. Frankly you both sound like player who've spent too many rounds in lower alliances getting your asses zero'd. You sound like the kinda players that whined to have the attack percentage raised to 30%, the +1 & +2 mods added, insurance, land cap, injury, did you like the L/F system? and i bet you can't wait for the wonderful fairness calculator! Do you recommend Bushtarion Lawn Cuddles to your friends? You sound like the weak players who didn't log on more then a few hours a day and still expect to win.

Unlike you we don't pretend to be nice, we don't expect other players to play other rules while we play another set. I know you think we whined about the resistance hitting bash style, while we were more concerned with eula break and the playerbase not being made aware of the resistance not resisting. We were not the only alliance hit, we've received mails from a number of smaller alliances who were bashed by resistance alliances (maybe not to the extent we experienced - comparsion not complaint) but simply because resistance were SNAPped, and these alliances weren't apart of that agreement.

However neither of you think that is an issue or against any rules. Instead you stride for moral highground on Old Farts attack style choices.

Let's consider the name: Old Fart - we use it as reference to older players.
Read our recruitment adds they are jockular but honest. We have players who've not played since Age 3, and they play exactly how they played then. We have players that have missed rounds and they play how they used to play.

Now unlike Epic Fail who we have no respect for, mainly because of these posts and mails to our HQ. We have the greatest respect for DW and TIR. Actually they will be getting award votes from most of our alliance this round for attitude, defence, recovery and sheer gutsiness (is that a word??). They have done brilliantly, and have carried themselves well.

My suggestion is maybe take a leaflet from there book.

Now a suggestion to Old Farts, leave this thread be it is wasteful of our time and effort. It's time for us to be the bigger alliance and let these guys embarass themselves in front of the playerbase.

Cheerio
An Old Fart

[Melnibone]

edited due to the wise words of the great old one.

[Hobbezak]

PhoenixFires of Pastlives i am sorry i tried to resist, but...meh... i am weak! :(

Right!

Mr Enrico & Mr Hobbes

Your attention please.
I want you to read this very carefully - i will write this only once.

You seem to be under the illusion your opinion actually matters to us. Frankly you both sound like player who've spent too many rounds in lower alliances getting your asses zero'd. You sound like the kinda players that whined to have the attack percentage raised to 30%, the +1 & +2 mods added, insurance, land cap, injury, did you like the L/F system? and i bet you can't wait for the wonderful fairness calculator! Do you recommend Bushtarion Lawn Cuddles to your friends? You sound like the weak players who didn't log on more then a few hours a day and still expect to win.

Unlike you we don't pretend to be nice, we don't expect other players to play other rules while we play another set. I know you think we whined about the resistance hitting bash style, while we were more concerned with eula break and the playerbase not being made aware of the resistance not resisting. We were not the only alliance hit, we've received mails from a number of smaller alliances who were bashed by resistance alliances (maybe not to the extent we experienced - comparsion not complaint) but simply because resistance were SNAPped, and these alliances weren't apart of that agreement.

However neither of you think that is an issue or against any rules. Instead you stride for moral highground on Old Farts attack style choices.

Let's consider the name: Old Fart - we use it as reference to older players.
Read our recruitment adds they are jockular but honest. We have players who've not played since Age 3, and they play exactly how they played then. We have players that have missed rounds and they play how they used to play.

Now unlike Epic Fail who we have no respect for, mainly because of these posts and mails to our HQ. We have the greatest respect for DW and TIR. Actually they will be getting award votes from most of our alliance this round for attitude, defence, recovery and sheer gutsiness (is that a word??). They have done brilliantly, and have carried themselves well.

My suggestion is maybe take a leaflet from there book.

Now a suggestion to Old Farts, leave this thread be it is wasteful of our time and effort. It's time for us to be the bigger alliance and let these guys embarass themselves in front of the playerbase.

Cheerio
An Old Fart

:'D
Just a quick suggestion: If you direct messages to someone, check who you are actually talking to. Not one of your points applies to me. And unlike you, I've actually read the points you made to me.
And unlike you, my points have not been personal (except for one at Melni, for which I hope he accepts that it was made in the heat of the moment, I also have played with him once and remember that he doesn't take such things personally).
You have made it clear what kind of person I'm dealing with, which is why I won't take the time to tell you why each and every point you made in your post doesn't apply to me. I find it sad that some people who I greatly respect, both as persons as as players, have chosen to have such quotes made on their behalf, as I've taken from other posts that you speak on behalf of the entire alliance.

I will, however, take your advice to heart, and stop posting on this thread. I'm sure both you and your players, and Enrico and I will take note of the events here, and move on, thinking perhaps slightly worse of eachother than before (Sorry aGit, I've actually always been a flaming retard).

PS: Just for clarification: My point has always been: Attacking with 4 over 2 ticks on an ally much lower and obviously made for fun and inactivity, or 7 on one tick, is a playstyle I condemn, unless ofcourse you're in a war.

[Old Fart]

If that is the case Mr Hobbezak, i am corrected.

[Enrico]

Oh Old Fart, My ID-history is public, so you can see for your self that you are quite right, I have never ended a round in a #1 for value/score alliance. Though I have been in the runner up twice (or 3 times?) But the alliances I play always portals so they are not complete mickey mouse affairs. :D

As for my activity, I play around 9 hours a day most rounds, not exceptional, but a far cry from your estimation. :)

Then for your other assumptions: The eta mod and 30% limit was in place before I started playing, so to its effect I have little ground for comparison. But systems that rewards taking greater risks is a good thing I feel.

As for the L/F system, the idea was good, but the system was horribly flawed. But yes, I welcome the introduction of a fairness calculator if it means the reintroduction of a proper bountyhunting again I am all for it!

Then I must correct you: The Resistance alliances were not sNAPed, not in the way most would define it. The idea was to not waist staff infighting, if there were better targets. That did not mean we never had incoming from other members of the resistance! And we never retaliated on people attacking other alliances, for instance.

And yes, I understood the underlaying message in your recruitment, but that also means that many of your players have not played much since the landcap-system was introduces for instance. One of the main reasons massbash on a singel tick is no longer as rewarding as it once was, and why most alliances choose other methods when the goal is to grab acres as cheaply as possible. :)

I have no belief that you would value other players opinion much, you said as much your self in the introduction thread in politics. But that doesn't mean I won't voice my opinion, also regarding your esteemed alliance, from time to time.

I won't grab at your obvious flamebait about not respecting EF, just quote the immortal Rhett Butler: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn".

Best of luck with the rest of the round, but remember: It is only a game, so remember to have fun!

All Aboard the Failboat!

[aGit]

All Aboard the Failboat!

sorry, my seat was stolen by memebers of EF and fail and i hear they are already overbooked.

[Enrico]

aGit, this one? ;)

[Dax]

I made my thoughts on OF's methods very clear in IRC.
I refuse to back down from my beliefs that an alliance far larger than another should at least try planning an effective and intelligent wave. Something OF hasn't done to TIR.
Before this, I was a firm supporter of OF's fight for survival against the resistance upper tiers, then our alliance leader goes and flies the Res flag and then declares we must all attack OF. It makes no sense.
The Resistance this round are a powerblock of bullies, ironically led by some of the very same people who led the Powerblock alliances last round.
Now neither the Resistance nor Old Farts have my moral backing at all. It might not mean much to you, but that's one of the few people that fought your corner that is no longer doing so.

[pinpower]

The resistance wasnt a powerblock at all.

Basically RRR grew too big, the resistance allies had been fighting amongst themselves for days and had varying levels of troops but not enough to attack RRR successfully at that time (which is shown by the initial hits over a week ago). So what would be the point in attacking each other while waiting to be ready to hit RRR again, it would just cos the resistance more troops and stop them working together. There was no powerblock. Resistance alliances didnt attack together on any targets other than OF (which i wont get into) and didnt retal for each other when attacked.

[MattM]

You were / still are incredibly landfat for your score. You took part in the hits on us. Stop crying and accept it as karma.

I don't understand why you think this is so dispicable. It's called getting attacked - and making this thread shows you can't handle it - you deserve to get you raped sensless by any ally worth their salt that has you in their range.

Oh go stroke your e-penis elsewhere. :)

I made this thread because the whole silly discussion was spamming up a completely different thread. (The one about Fail.)

And we can handle it: My gripe is not about being attacked, silly, that's part of the game!
My complain is that OF seems to think they have some noble cause for attacking due to some random member in our ally tagging along for free acres on zeroed targets, rather than be frank and say: "Meh, we want land, and we think you are easy, but just to make sure we dont actually risk anything send 8 people pr ID at a time", and at the same time claim what Enmity/Fail/S2N did was very evil.

THAT my friend is hypocrisy.
:)

I haven't read past this post, and don't plan to. Couldn't agree more. Whilst I didn't think that hitting OF with the resistance was a good idea and didn't join, I think they should, in short, keep their traps shut. I've seen them bashing smaller alliances all round, and I see other alliances ganging up and bashing each other all round, as well as every previous round.

It really irks me every time there is a new gripe in here about getting bashed. The time that the threads amused me dissipated a long time ago. Stop whining.

[Podunk]

Then I must correct you: The Resistance alliances were not sNAPed, not in the way most would define it. The idea was to not waist staff infighting, if there were better targets. That did not mean we never had incoming from other members of the resistance! And we never retaliated on people attacking other alliances, for instance.

I would like to point out that the top resistance allies were SNAPed Aili, Enmity, Fail, S2N - I know this since I was not allowed to hit them.
As for the smaller allies I'd venture to guess people monitoring outgoings turned the other cheek when they saw a mob vs a much smaller member of the resistance.

[Enrico]

Podunk: I do not know what the big four agreed upon. I have to reply about what I know, and what was not a pure sNAP, which was what OF implied.

[Melnibone]

No the important alliances were snapped i assumed you fell under that category but even the resistance thought you were a joke apparently.............

[Enrico]

Oh, you are cute when you are angry silly. ;)

From spy-reports I know the "no sending on each other" was not followed 100% from the top allies either. What it meant was no organized attack. But as we know, that concept is somewhat hazy. :D