resistance?

[willymchilybily]

can we start resisting already

ranks 2,3,4 & 6 match in size if not more than that of rank 1 (okay they no doubt have enough seeds to rape and buy up) but if the resistance doesnt start hitting them using the multiple players and complimentary routes to good effect we're gonna have another stale powerblock sort of round.

i understand the principle of killing off those non resistance alliances, and getting land to grow quicker. but there is no commitment its too half hearted. it is in a word... FAIL

kinda depressing so please can we make some effort to kill them before we get half way through the round. or at least make them buy up so they cant hit the lower alliances. and thus the fight for second place can begin. i want fighting and anarchy and war and shizzle

maybe im not in an important enough allie to the resistance and havent seen the extensive work thats been done yet. or maybe there hasnt been that much actual hitting on RRR. as far as i can tell. seen lots of hitting on other allies. but havent heard of any on RRR am i out the loop ? or is it just *points to first summary point* FAIL

[Dark_Angel]

Numerous assaults have taken place on RRR. Inc at one point reaching 2-3bn from the resistance alliances. (Last week)

Unfortunately what was discovered on those hits is that RRR are readily contactable on a scale I haven't encountered in some time :P

I'm no longer involved in Resistance Planning though I believe the resistance's attention has been drawn to OF, whom last I checked refused to help attack a hardened RRR. As a result, a number of (but not all) resistance alliances went to attack OF - with a view to take their land and give themselves a better platform from which to attack RRR.

Even with clever planning, and the troops to carry it off - I'm dubious as to whether RRR's contactability will let them fall to a resistance strike of any size/strength.

That said JJ did come a staggering 4th in the Science Olympics, and for that reason alone RRR should stay on their toes at all times.

[Twigley]

Resistence is hard when the other alliances leaders give up.

Give it some time untill someone who can roll with the bad times steps up so we can have good times.

[TehPantz]

It is my understanding that the 'Resistance' is just people scrambling for as many acres as possible during the peace before war breaks out for second place. RRR has won and now its just a matter of opportunistic people taking advantage of their position before the resistance starts infighting.

...and now we play the waiting game.

[Dark_Angel]

Resistence is hard when the other alliances leaders give up.

Give it some time untill someone who can roll with the bad times steps up so we can have good times.

Pretty sure you were adamant the best way the resistance could act was to sit on seeds for 2 weeks.

Don't lecture me Mr LetsDoNothing ;)

[Alcibiades]

can we start resisting already

ranks 2,3,4 & 6 match in size if not more than that of rank 1 (okay they no doubt have enough seeds to rape and buy up) but if the resistance doesnt start hitting them using the multiple players and complimentary routes to good effect we're gonna have another stale powerblock sort of round.


You obviously don't understand what a powerblock is.

[Twigley]

Resistence is hard when the other alliances leaders give up.

Give it some time untill someone who can roll with the bad times steps up so we can have good times.

Pretty sure you were adamant the best way the resistance could act was to sit on seeds for 2 weeks.

Don't lecture me Mr LetsDoNothing ;)

DA, my idea at first was to keep as many people out of the top 10's range as possible, and when i was told you guys already had alot after about 20 minutes of DISCUSSION, we decided to attack..

However because of other alliances not joining in, namely the one that you used to lead, it has been very hard.

I just hope someone who doesnt just make long winded posts and then goes afk steps up in your place and we can start something off.

[Dark_Angel]

I couldnt find the effort this round, I've held my hands up to that.

Wish you the best of luck Twigs, really do - if there's two guys for the job its you and JJ :)

[Twigley]

You found enough effort to try steal my core players at round start and start conspiracy theories up at round start about me and JJ working together, dragging our names through the **** and you of all people accusing us of powerblocking.

... So tbh i aint letting you off that easy with that lame excuse and the only reason i havn't spoke out so far about you is because you led Fail, which seems to have some good members in their who want to resist.

[Dark_Angel]

1) If they were your "core players" they would have stuck with you. You didnt tell anyone you were leading. Don't complain for leaving recruiting too late (which clearly you did).

2) Yes I had a lot more enthusiasm for the round at the start. As did we all. However now I've found playing this round to be more hassle than its worth, and have RL stuff that is more important atm.

Fail is still standing, Pin has co-led since day one. If you're claiming the resistance now doesnt stand a chance because I've left I'm flattered but you're incorrect.

[Twigley]

1) If they were your "core players" they would have stuck with you. You didnt tell anyone you were leading. Don't complain for leaving recruiting too late (which clearly you did).

They did stick with me - hence them not being in your alliance.
I always recruit 1 week before round start.

Was just the principle.
Maybe im wrong, it's how it seemed.


<DA|around> I still didnt know who you'd been playing with in the what, 8 rounds I'd missed :P

Mkkay.

[willymchilybily]

can we start resisting already

ranks 2,3,4 & 6 match in size if not more than that of rank 1 (okay they no doubt have enough seeds to rape and buy up) but if the resistance doesnt start hitting them using the multiple players and complimentary routes to good effect we're gonna have another stale powerblock sort of round.


You obviously don't understand what a powerblock is.

probably true been solo for most of them. but i thought things may be staling was my only concern, and and that perhaps there wasnt enough activity, and hence theres a group of alliances feeding on those not resisting, to get big. im sure it wont last this way, why i went to the gripes section and not the discussion section.

but none the less it has many of the characteristics of a powerblock. with little outcome seeming to head in the way of resisting rank one and bringing them down and more time passing. i did say maybe i've not been so actively informed on the actuall RRR attacks.
As until now i wasnt aware there had been many.

but feel free to clearly define your definition of a power block, and its differing characteristics to that of the current state of affairs. Hence dismissing my concerns & gripes in a more helpful way.

[Garrett]

we're semi contactable because we don't want to be absolutely mullered. we're stil for fun, but hopefully through my alliances demonstration this round - you don't have to have activity to do well, you just need to have FUN.

We're having fun by not being a defensive alliance and being an offensive alliance and somehow we've pulled up into the top 3.

Now as far as resistance goes, I'm up for hitting and resisting. It's what my ally is about, but We've not taken part because other alliances are being massed other than RRR.

When the resistance is serious about coordinated efforts to hit RRR and is willing to take attack plan input from others, then My Troopahs will fight to the very last goddamn man.

That's a promise.

[Podunk]

The attacks on RRR have been done and over with for about a week now yet there are still alliances that claim to be part of the 'resistance' my own alliance included, however personally I think its a load of bull. From what I've seen about this so called 'resistance' it has been nothing more than an excuse to bash alliances not involved in the resistance.

Now, my question to 'resistance' alliance leaders, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU NOT RESISTING? Yet you have no problem organizing mass attacks on alliances such as OldFarts yet you won't launch mobs on RRR? Then you come on the forums saying this round hasn't been decided yet and RRR can still be toppled. Yeah good luck with that.

Lets let them sit on their acres and grow, they'll die off soon when they're buried up to their eyeballs in their seeds that they're stockpiling.

Either:
1) Resist.
2) Admit defeat so I can get to attacking once again.
3) Just form another powerblock like we have right now and jump off a bridge from boredom.

[alexx]

the resistance alliances are pretty landfat compared to RRR.. as long as we take no losses and still grow we are gaining from waiting..

[Ahead]

the resistance alliances are pretty landfat compared to RRR.. as long as we take no losses and still grow we are gaining from waiting..

Until you get into range? :P

Just to add to the topic, I agree with Podunk, it's pretty out of order for the so-called resistance to attack Old Farts. Oh, and does anyone see which three alliances have teamed up to hit them? Memories from the nooblock last round anyone??

[Twigley]

OF where hitting us before hand and keeping us awake and that one guy who has now gone into sleep mode was rushing everyone else.

OF where just sitting there giving each ally incs so we have decided to remove them.

Then we will attack RRR.

[Turnip2k]

Damn, an ally attacked us - will get 5 allies to bash them in retaliation! That doesn't seem like last rounds nooblock...at...al.......

Hey, wait a minute!?

Rock on 'resistance', keep BAAAAAAAAAAAing and you will be fine ;)

[Podunk]

OF where hitting us before hand and keeping us awake and that one guy who has now gone into sleep mode was rushing everyone else.

OF where just sitting there giving each ally incs so we have decided to remove them.

Then we will attack RRR.

Bullshit. They won't ever be "removed". I know the group they won't roll over and die, they're a waste of 'resistance' troops in all honesty. As far as I'm concerned this is basically waving a big white flag of surrender by the 'resistance'.

Who cares if they gave you incs. Your was at rank 1 at some point, are you not contactable and active enough to defend? Or is being landfat as **** detrimental for attacking/defense?

[TehPantz]

From my point of view i just see a sore loser who can't take the top spot (and he knows it) and is now operating former TBA using the guise of 'resistance' to bash the rank 5 ally so he can feel accomplished...piss poor imo

[aGit]

To me it seems that the resistance is somewhat confused of its targets and purpose. As of yet I've not seen anything from this group of alliances that warrants the name resistance. Only made up excuses for massing the living daylights out of alliances that refuse to take part in this charade that you could very well call a powerblock of sorts.

well played.

aGit

[WackyJacky]

I'm no longer involved in Resistance Planning though I believe the resistance's attention has been drawn to OF, whom last I checked refused to help attack a hardened RRR. As a result, a number of (but not all) resistance alliances went to attack OF - with a view to take their land and give themselves a better platform from which to attack RRR.

And we thank Ailihphilia for being the only Resistance Ally to not join in..... No doubt that will be remembered once the wars for Rank 2 break out. And I can tell you right now that rank 2 will be none of the current Resistance Allys (except Ail) if I (Wacky, not OF) have anything to say about it.

Old Farts was formed to have fun, and that's what we're doing. We all know your "we are trying to gain acres for the resistance" is ludicrous, just like every round. Try a new set of politics for once, everyone knows your just using your numbers advantage to farm the most acres for your ally so you can have a hope at rank 2.

Every round we see the same old story. The "resistance" pussies (for lack of a better word) out because they are unsuccessful and uses their Temporary Nap to go bash all those not involved. Congratulations, you're average. http://mylifeisaverage.com/

The attacks on RRR have been done and over with for about a week now yet there are still alliances that claim to be part of the 'resistance' my own alliance included, however personally I think its a load of bull. From what I've seen about this so called 'resistance' it has been nothing more than an excuse to bash alliances not involved in the resistance.

Now, my question to 'resistance' alliance leaders, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU NOT RESISTING? Yet you have no problem organizing mass attacks on alliances such as OldFarts yet you won't launch mobs on RRR? Then you come on the forums saying this round hasn't been decided yet and RRR can still be toppled. Yeah good luck with that.

Lets let them sit on their acres and grow, they'll die off soon when they're buried up to their eyeballs in their seeds that they're stockpiling.

Either:
1) Resist.
2) Admit defeat so I can get to attacking once again.
3) Just form another powerblock like we have right now and jump off a bridge from boredom.

^ Endorsed by Wacky

[f0xx]

the resistance alliances are pretty landfat compared to RRR.. as long as we take no losses and still grow we are gaining from waiting..

alexx > all
all < alexx

double "x" ftw.

The true RRR shall soon prevail.

Resistance IS futile.

[WackyJacky]

OF where hitting us before hand and keeping us awake and that one guy who has now gone into sleep mode was rushing everyone else.

OF where just sitting there giving each ally incs so we have decided to remove them.

I give your permission to use my name on the Forums Twigley.

I have gone into sleep mode yes, for reasons not relating to bush.

This round I have rushed/attacked any alliance who has good targets, simple as. The only alliance I have not attacked (save once when I was angry at Podunk :P) is Garrett's. The reason - Podunk is feisty when he is angry/I like the people in that alliance too much to bother them.

When you stop pissing me off, I'll leave you alone. Until then you wake your players up, or you roll over and die. But 1/2 people rushing is hardly a valid excuse to call in a 5+ ally retaliation. Take two for an excuse please.

[Alcibiades]

OF where hitting us before hand and keeping us awake and that one guy who has now gone into sleep mode was rushing everyone else.

OF where just sitting there giving each ally incs so we have decided to remove them.

I give your permission to use my name on the Forums Twigley.

I have gone into sleep mode yes, for reasons not relating to bush.

This round I have rushed/attacked any alliance who has good targets, simple as. The only alliance I have not attacked (save once when I was angry at Podunk :P) is Garrett's. The reason - Podunk is feisty when he is angry/I like the people in that alliance too much to bother them.

When you stop pissing me off, I'll leave you alone. Until then you wake your players up, or you roll over and die. But 1/2 people rushing is hardly a valid excuse to call in a 5+ ally retaliation. Take two for an excuse please.

Wacked you 'rushed' like 4 RRR players, and we all set a retal on you and stole 4k+ acres. How is that benefitting your alliance to any degree? You didn't irritate us, mobs of 69 don't mean jack ****, and tbh anything you could throw at us doesn't mean squat. I'm surprise you let yourself lose so many acres to achieve very little.

You didn't rush us as 'good' targets'. Hilarious joke.

[WackyJacky]

Alci - I was planning on suiciding. However when Silence (I think that was who I was attacking) attacked me with his full army I recalled so I could suicide that way. Then the incoming showed up I had to defend instead of suiciding. While defending I decided the best option would be to give away my land to RRR (I would rather you all have it) and then drop score so I could hit all the small alliances who joined in the fun. But Alci if your going to insult my free land I'll find another ally for it next time :)

Edit: Also I agree with you, my mobs against you all don't mean jack **** (No pun intended) because you are all too big for me to do very much damage + you are all contactable. Which is why I don't attack you all + The resistance is busy doing that ;)

[Alcibiades]

The resistance is busy attacking it's potential allies. Hilarious.

I don't object to free land, but you'd be better off giving it to the resistance, they need it ;) and any tips, or helping advice you have for them :D

[harriergirl]

The attacks on RRR have been done and over with for about a week now yet there are still alliances that claim to be part of the 'resistance' my own alliance included, however personally I think its a load of bull. From what I've seen about this so called 'resistance' it has been nothing more than an excuse to bash alliances not involved in the resistance.

Now, my question to 'resistance' alliance leaders, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU NOT RESISTING? Yet you have no problem organizing mass attacks on alliances such as OldFarts yet you won't launch mobs on RRR? Then you come on the forums saying this round hasn't been decided yet and RRR can still be toppled. Yeah good luck with that.

Lets let them sit on their acres and grow, they'll die off soon when they're buried up to their eyeballs in their seeds that they're stockpiling.

Either:
1) Resist.
2) Admit defeat so I can get to attacking once again.
3) Just form another powerblock like we have right now and jump off a bridge from boredom.

:winner: AMEN BROTHA PODUNK.


And Ail Did participate on the first 2 or 3 waves. We even offered to plan, but everyone else was too busy with heads in asses and whatnot. When twigs mentioned planning some real attacks we were all over it, Troops to be grounded. then ... nothing.

I won't be participating in snaps much longer if the resistance doesn't pick up.

[Old Fart]

I’d like to congratulate the Resistance, for the hard work and effort they have put in working together to resist that evil & destructive force upon game formerly rank 4 (and now rank 5) Old Farts.

I must commend them, that despite rank 1 having 410k land and being 3x ++ the score of rank 2 for identifying rank 4 as the true threat. When you are have 4 – 6 alliances hitting you at the same time as rank 1 alliance (which the other 4 – 6 alliance are resisting) you cannot help but wonder what gave your true threatening nature away. Was it the inactivity, the non contractibility, the low land score, the high troop score, the less than 15% land fat, the refusal of members to join Fail when they sent there begging recruitment mails, did we attack you, did we refuse to lick your balls and join you, do we see you truly for the skill-less noobs you are – well yes, but so does the rest of the game. Or was simply the need to gloat on how brilliant you are as players?

The next question is does it matter, and the answer of course not when surround by players who cannot expand there skill set beyond grouping together and bashing someone smaller (and here we speak of collective values not individual – the same DA expounded in the resistance thread when he still claimed he was resisting rank 1), one can feel a form of pity and understands that despite Azzer’s additions to the EULA, no one will ever really recognize that a power block relates not to rank but to when a number of players band together whose actions are detrimental to the game by refusing to hit each other (silent nap) and using there collective numbers to form a basis of game control. (for the less educated and English as a second language – resistance = power blocking skill-less scum)

Not, that Old Farts are complaining. We knew what we were in for when we refused all requests for help this round, but it’s time the rest of the game knew that leopards don’t change there spots, not even if they call them strips. And the TBA are still power blockers, even if they’ve added lapdogs and called themselves the resistance.

TBA we will resist you, whether Old Farts Ends Rank 1 or Rank 36, or our players have to rebuild from rank 800 we will have succeed in our alliance goals.There will be no mass sleep mode from Old Farts, no ids being deleted and much colourful langange. While all you will manage with your current tactics is Rank 2, 3 & 4. That is very sad, almost pathetic.

You must remember Old Farts have been massed by the best, and the best are not R31 resistance. So please young man may we have another.

[Alcibiades]

I wish i knew who you were Old Fart, because you ****ing rock. No doubt about it. My support to you and all your resistance of the resisting idiots.

Welll done sir, i'm sorry i stole land from you but you're a whole new level of awesome.

Shame on the resistance for 'knocking out a threat to them' before OF could suddenly steal rank 1 and become the round winners. What bollocks.

[antisback]

Hmm it seems the facts have been mixed up once again - as indeed happens so often. As far as i'm aware when the resistance was hitting RRR, OF was sending on the resistance ally's for cheap land - making themselves a very big thorn in the side of the resistance, a thorn which the resistance see fit to remove.

Those are the facts as far as i'm aware of them, and i'm relativly sure i'm more aware of the facts than some of the people who've added their "esteemed" 2 cents to the topic.

[CLem]

the resistance alliances are pretty landfat compared to RRR.. as long as we take no losses and still grow we are gaining from waiting..

one of the reasons that the resistance won't work is people that just whore flak in certain alliances....they are just using resistance as an excuse to get fat and not contributing. I have never seen so many piggies and flak whores in my life

[Melnibone]

Hmm it seems the facts have been mixed up once again - as indeed happens so often. As far as i'm aware when the resistance was hitting RRR, OF was sending on the resistance ally's for cheap land - making themselves a very big thorn in the side of the resistance, a thorn which the resistance see fit to remove.

Those are the facts as far as i'm aware of them, and i'm relativly sure i'm more aware of the facts than some of the people who've added their "esteemed" 2 cents to the topic.


Lol i believe you'll find a fact is something that is true irrespective of opinions what you have stated is not....

Firstly our alliance Old Farts refused to join your 'resistance' (cant believe anyone calls it that) not because we have a preference for the round winners just that we had no interest in doing anything but having a little fun, which i might add were having lots of now :) as far as us attacking during a resistance we hit anyone we like anytime we like, we are not part of your mindless bunch of automated idiots that say 'oh no big boys are bulllying us to attack a small alliance we better do what they say' (sidenote shame on you smaller allies you spent a whole round being bashed by these people yet you still jump when they pull your lead.... shame on you all to live in such fear i genuinely pity you)

Secondly next time you mass mail an alliance DA begging its members to join you... get someone else to do it... we might be old and we might be getting a bit senile but players of the calibre we have in Old Farts are not afraid of incoming and NONE of us would this round or any other ally themselves with the likes of you and your n00bblock

Old Farts was created for one purpose only, not to win a round, not even to finish top 10 but to have some fun, to make our own decisions and to do as we choose and yet here we are one of the major talking points of the round and being 'resisted' more than the current rank 1 that have more skill, more activity and a LOT more land and troops

Thank you resistance (n00bblock) for making some old people in the middle ranks feel so important

ps As wacky said Kudos to Ail for being the only other alliance outside the rank 1 for having the balls to actually want to resist the rank 1 another 3-4 alliance like ours and maybe the powerblockers can be resisted and players like JJ and Twigley might wake up and realise that the days of these tactics need to end not only for their own dwindling reputations but for the game as a whole

resist the resistance!!!!!!

[alexx]

the resistance alliances are pretty landfat compared to RRR.. as long as we take no losses and still grow we are gaining from waiting..

one of the reasons that the resistance won't work is people that just whore flak in certain alliances....they are just using resistance as an excuse to get fat and not contributing. I have never seen so many piggies and flak whores in my life

stupid people are stupid. ENmity for one are atleast not flakwhoring except for one member who just seem to like flak a lil bit too much ><.



alexx > all
all < alexx

double "x" ftw.



k.

emnity+fail+sn2+ailihphilia have 630k acres compared to RRR's 470k.
Enmity+fail+s2n+ailihphia score is 334b together while RRR's 339b+seeds stocked.
Doesnt that mean the resistance are very landfat and quite weak when u compare troops?

Now RRR will probably have 17 online atleast to defend while the resistance will struggle to get more than 15 from each ally. I might have understood this game wrong but doesnt that mean that RRR will have a even more vast troop advantage+are defending -> they can choose where to real and can easily win BR's.


DNo how the resistance is supposed to be able to pull this off by just rushing off fast and suicide when we are at a vast troopdisadvantage...

[atsanjose]

If you wonder where your post went....

here! (http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2704)

[WackyJacky]

As far as i'm aware when the resistance was hitting RRR, OF was sending on the resistance ally's for cheap land - making themselves a very big thorn in the side of the resistance, a thorn which the resistance see fit to remove.


I still cannot get over this excuse.

Wacky: Did any of you ever attack any of the resistance ally with more then 3 people at one time?
Lordie: No we didn't

I know of 1 instance where this was false, and this was simply because there was a chance of "cheap land." If 1-3 people are really a "big thorn" then no wonder the resistance failed.

I could be wrong, and the UK players may have bashed you all, but I doubt it. Though if you have any proof please let me know and I will change my 1 instance, to 2 instances.

[Darkprophecies]

SO yeah I thought the "resistance" was around to take out RRR and then disband. Instead all I have seen is a group of alliances that have formed they're very own little power block. It makes no sense to me how 3 to 4 "resistance" alliances massing the rank 11 alliance is doing any sort of resisting. 40+ attackers at the rank 11 alliance? Do we look like RRR to you?

It's funny all i get is "sorry you didn't join the resistance." Your right, we refuse to play like this.

I'm sorry but your no resistance, your just using it as an exscuse to power block and bottom feed.

Way to ruin a round.

[aGit]

old news is old, join the club!

[Darkprophecies]

old news is old, join the club!

Wow, that was helpful.

[Garrett]

Just so you know Ailihphilia has only taken part in massing the top. When those attacks do not occur, we attack (by ourselves) any alliance not part of the resistance for fun and profit.

We have noticed others piggying our attacks. I don't know if we hit you, but by saying massing I'm going to say no. I just wanted to reiterate that not all of the 'resistance' alliances are the same.

I want to hit RRR. If not the 'resistance' needs to disband soon.

[Garrett]

If you wonder where your post went....

here! (http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2704)

:(

the rap didn't belong in spam

[aGit]

old news is old, join the club!

Wow, that was helpful.

no, i actually meant it, join the club! we have t-shirts and are resisting the resistance to the best of our ability.

bring muffins.

If you wonder where your post went....

here! (http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2704)

:(

the rap didn't belong in spam

alot of the stuff that got removed didnt. Overzealous forum mods of today...geez

[Darkprophecies]

I just love watching people back-pedal. I for one call that this so-called resistance disbands or faces the consequences now in the user agreement for being a power block. Your not hitting RRR your using it as an exscuse to mass smaller alliances together. You can try the "oh I didn't know we where being followed / oh they piggyed / we had no idea" arguement but in the end i was online and I watched this happen. You all knew exactly who was going and when. This was organised. I'm sorry but most of the 40+ attacks showed up at the same tick. within minutes of each other. That denotes far more organization then "oh we didn't know, they must have followed us"

[Darkprophecies]

old news is old, join the club!

Wow, that was helpful.

no, i actually meant it, join the club! we have t-shirts and are resisting the resistance to the best of our ability.

bring muffins.

If you wonder where your post went....

here! (http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2704)

:(

the rap didn't belong in spam

alot of the stuff that got removed didnt. Overzealous forum mods of today...geez

Well than sorry bout that... I would be fully willing to join in anything that takes down this "resistance" they're not resisting anything.

[Twigley]

The resistance is busy attacking it's potential allies. Hilarious.

I don't object to free land, but you'd be better off giving it to the resistance, they need it ;) and any tips, or helping advice you have for them :D

OF made it clear they are not going to help with their post.

So far all i've seen is:

One alliance member from an alliance who doesn't want to hit OF for their own reasons and would rather get stuck straight into RRR.

Two members from the alliance that is being hit complaining about it.

And a few RRR members having a good old chuckle at those complaining.


If OF players would stop hitting us for a while, then the resisting allies can 100% concentrate on RRR without the annoyance of OF members. OF, there are plenty of other targets for you to enjoy your "inactive" play on so im sure that wouldnt effect you too much.

I don't really want to be hitting OF like this, i'd rather be resisting like everybody else.
We have enoguh acres already and RRR have lots of our acres that we need to steal back.

Edit:


Now, my question to 'resistance' alliance leaders, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU NOT RESISTING? Yet you have no problem organizing mass attacks on alliances such as OldFarts yet you won't launch mobs on RRR? Then you come on the forums saying this round hasn't been decided yet and RRR can still be toppled. Yeah good luck with that.


No problem organising against OF?
Look again.
You will see that because other alliances have incs, they are unable to send and it always ends up as just S2N sending.

It's up to the alliance leaders to put as much effort as the person prodding them to hit.
It isnt a 1 man job.

I was furious to see pms saying "So i hear you are organising the resistence tonight Twigley"?

NO

Each ally leader needs to be involved.
You need to motivate your players, that isnt my job.
I can organise times to send etc but it's YOUR job to put the effort in aswell.

[moorer]

If OF players would stop hitting us for a while, then the resisting allies can 100% concentrate on RRR without the annoyance of OF members. OF, there are plenty of other targets for you to enjoy your "inactive" play on so im sure that wouldnt effect you too much.[/size]

I don't really want to be hitting OF like this, i'd rather be resisting like everybody else.
We have enoguh acres already and RRR have lots of our acres that we need to steal back.


Excuse me but you and your ally friends (and those allies you threatened into joining you) started this fight. Don't moan at us for fighting our corner nor use it as a justification for your own shallow actions..

I do not recall us doing anything other than random attacks on you guys I certainly don't recall any mass attack by us timed to hit you when a resistance attack was ongoing.

I think you just saw us sitting there and thought "hmm we are doing sod all v RRR lets try OF instead".

[aGit]

you have alot of nerve twigley...what was that, 110 mobs on OF from the so called resistance at peak time. and when we hit back for once, we are interrupting your plans on RRR, great. prolly should have thought of that before you started abusing the resistance powers on attacking other than the rank 1 alliance.

also, i may not speak for the whole of OF, but it is now our job to make RRR win. in other words, make your resistance fail. Sounds way more fun than working with your powerblocking ass doesnt it?

You need to motivate your players, that isnt my job.

You sure excel at demotivating everyone with the craptastic job at recognizing what you should and what you should not do with the resistance.

[TehPantz]

If OF players would stop hitting us for a while, then the resisting allies can 100% concentrate on RRR without the annoyance of OF members. OF, there are plenty of other targets for you to enjoy your "inactive" play on so im sure that wouldnt effect you too much.[/size]

I don't really want to be hitting OF like this, i'd rather be resisting like everybody else.
We have enoguh acres already and RRR have lots of our acres that we need to steal back.


Excuse me but you and your ally friends (and those allies you threatened into joining you) started this fight. Don't moan at us for fighting our corner nor use it as a justification for your own shallow actions..

I do not recall us doing anything other than random attacks on you guys I certainly don't recall any mass attack by us timed to hit you when a resistance attack was ongoing.

I think you just saw us sitting there and thought "hmm we are doing sod all v RRR lets try OF instead".

Hear hear!

[Dark_Angel]

If OF players would stop hitting us for a while, then the resisting allies can 100% concentrate on RRR without the annoyance of OF members. OF, there are plenty of other targets for you to enjoy your "inactive" play on so im sure that wouldnt effect you too much.[/size]

I don't really want to be hitting OF like this, i'd rather be resisting like everybody else.
We have enoguh acres already and RRR have lots of our acres that we need to steal back.


Excuse me but you and your ally friends (and those allies you threatened into joining you) started this fight. Don't moan at us for fighting our corner nor use it as a justification for your own shallow actions..

I do not recall us doing anything other than random attacks on you guys I certainly don't recall any mass attack by us timed to hit you when a resistance attack was ongoing.

I think you just saw us sitting there and thought "hmm we are doing sod all v RRR lets try OF instead".

Whether OF were mass attacking or hitting randoms is besides the point. OF were hit for two reasons:

1.) Because they refused to help with the resistance. It was decided if their troops/income was not to be used to help kill the rank 1 alliance, those resources would be taken from them to help the resistance do just that. (Helping kill #1 is the done thing, a resistance always forms. You either join or find yourself alone and therefore vunerable.)

2.) Because the resistance couldn't and can't risk OF attacking one of the resistance alliances during a hit on RRR. Something not all that unlikely given they appear to have a close relationship with RRR (considering how quickly RRR countered when Enmity/Fail/S2N etc hit OF.)

Actually:

3.) It was my decision to hit OF, I mailed all the Resistance leaders with my intentions and reasoning (see points 1 & 2) - The last reason I decided to mass them with "my allies" was that OF did not only refuse to help fight the uphill battle vs RRR, but they very snobbishly & vocally refused to help in any way. See here (http://bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2661).

That post is void of sincerity and got on my nerves a little - As I don't like it when alliances sit on the sidelines during a resistance. More often than not they simply want to let other alliances lose score fighting #1 while they continue to grow.

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Lastly - OF shouldn't be all too surprised the resistance hit them before RRR. They are, after all, one of the only alliances not taking part. That leaves the resistance alliances very few land opportunities. And if you're not in, you're out. Admittedly all attacking at once is a little low, though at this point, nobody really cared about massing an alliance that so lazily turned down helping.

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n.b - I have now quit - and my views here do not represent those of Garrett/Twigley/JJ/Enrico/Etc.

[Melnibone]

Just so you know Ailihphilia has only taken part in massing the top. When those attacks do not occur, we attack (by ourselves) any alliance not part of the resistance for fun and profit.

We have noticed others piggying our attacks. I don't know if we hit you, but by saying massing I'm going to say no. I just wanted to reiterate that not all of the 'resistance' alliances are the same.

I want to hit RRR. If not the 'resistance' needs to disband soon.


Just so everyone is clear OF has had incoming from Ail as a single entity on its own but not as ive already stated part of the n00bblock this confirms your statement garrett and i believe i gave you a little praise in my post as did my alliance mates for having the morals to actually play this game as its meant to be hopefully this clears this up

Im so pleased you posted Twigley

i may be wrong but isnt one definition of a powerblock as it applies to this game - a group of alliances or players that band together to bully and threaten a group of players not curently holding or even close to rank 1?? i believe it is and hopefully so does Azzer as powerblocking (5 alliances and 110 seperate mobs against a rank 4 ally?) is officially against the EULA i cant wait to see if the sanctions for these breaches are any use or not or even if they will be applied.... fun times indeed

[Melnibone]

If OF players would stop hitting us for a while, then the resisting allies can 100% concentrate on RRR without the annoyance of OF members. OF, there are plenty of other targets for you to enjoy your "inactive" play on so im sure that wouldnt effect you too much.[/size]

I don't really want to be hitting OF like this, i'd rather be resisting like everybody else.
We have enoguh acres already and RRR have lots of our acres that we need to steal back.


Excuse me but you and your ally friends (and those allies you threatened into joining you) started this fight. Don't moan at us for fighting our corner nor use it as a justification for your own shallow actions..

I do not recall us doing anything other than random attacks on you guys I certainly don't recall any mass attack by us timed to hit you when a resistance attack was ongoing.

I think you just saw us sitting there and thought "hmm we are doing sod all v RRR lets try OF instead".

Whether OF were mass attacking or hitting randoms is besides the point. OF were hit for two reasons:

1.) Because they refused to help with the resistance. It was decided if their troops/income was not to be used to help kill the rank 1 alliance, those resources would be taken from them to help the resistance do just that. (Helping kill #1 is the done thing, a resistance always forms. You either join or find yourself alone and therefore vunerable.)

2.) Because the resistance couldn't and can't risk OF attacking one of the resistance alliances during a hit on RRR. Something not all that unlikely given they appear to have a close relationship with RRR (considering how quickly RRR countered when Enmity/Fail/S2N etc hit OF.)

Actually:

3.) It was my decision to hit OF, I mailed all the Resistance leaders with my intentions and reasoning (see points 1 & 2) - The last reason I decided to mass them with "my allies" was that OF did not only refuse to help fight the uphill battle vs RRR, but they very snobbishly & vocally refused to help in any way. See here (http://bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2661).

That post is void of sincerity and got on my nerves a little - As I don't like it when alliances sit on the sidelines during a resistance. More often than not they simply want to let other alliances lose score fighting #1 while they continue to grow.

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Lastly - OF shouldn't be all too surprised the resistance hit them before RRR. They are, after all, one of the only alliances not taking part. That leaves the resistance alliances very few land opportunities. And if you're not in, you're out. Admittedly all attacking at once is a little low, though at this point, nobody really cared about massing an alliance that so lazily turned down helping.

Another alliance leader with no credibility admits to powerblocking (i.e mutually agreed non attacking of each other and bashing alliances currently not at rank 1...) does anyone else love the hypocrisy 'no no we promise we wont powerblock again...' that is until someone refuses to do as their told then we'll think up some crap excuse to renew the powerblock and justify it.

Yet again your found out DA.....

[Garrett]

no worries, and I didn't mean to detract from your shout out. in between all the thread splicing and other spoofery, I didn't see your post. my post was more of a general notification for all involved.

now i do want to say that temporary snaps like for resistances et al are not powerblocks. at least any the talks i've been in there has never been a powerblock mentioned other than in jest. (it's my turn to win right? lulz) there definitely has been a sNapping for purposes of resistances, but I only did with the main 3 and no one else. Otherwise I'd have 0 targets :(

But now really all that's happening nowadays is grandstanding. So none of the posts matter nao. :(

[Dark_Angel]

Just so you know Ailihphilia has only taken part in massing the top. When those attacks do not occur, we attack (by ourselves) any alliance not part of the resistance for fun and profit.

We have noticed others piggying our attacks. I don't know if we hit you, but by saying massing I'm going to say no. I just wanted to reiterate that not all of the 'resistance' alliances are the same.

I want to hit RRR. If not the 'resistance' needs to disband soon.


Just so everyone is clear OF has had incoming from Ail as a single entity on its own but not as ive already stated part of the n00bblock this confirms your statement garrett and i believe i gave you a little praise in my post as did my alliance mates for having the morals to actually play this game as its meant to be hopefully this clears this up

Im so pleased you posted Twigley

i may be wrong but isnt one definition of a powerblock as it applies to this game - a group of alliances or players that band together to bully and threaten a group of players not curently holding or even close to rank 1?? i believe it is and hopefully so does Azzer as powerblocking (5 alliances and 110 seperate mobs against a rank 4 ally?) is officially against the EULA i cant wait to see if the sanctions for these breaches are any use or not or even if they will be applied.... fun times indeed

A resistance is a perfectly legitimate' organisation. You try remove a resistance you essentially hand Rank #1 an easy and unchallenged win.

The actions of a resistance are questionable here - but it'd be foolish, IMO, to label the organisation itself as illegitimate.

[edit]

Another alliance leader with no credibility admits to powerblocking (i.e mutually agreed non attacking of each other and bashing alliances currently not at rank 1...) does anyone else love the hypocrisy 'no no we promise we wont powerblock again...' that is until someone refuses to do as their told then we'll think up some crap excuse to renew the powerblock and justify it.

A resistance isn't a powerblock.

[Melnibone]

An organisation led by 3 leaders of a powerblock from the previous round, that seeks not to topple the rank 1 alliance but the rank 4 for its own selfish ends is not a resistance, your claims that it are are pathetic in the extreme.... its the powerblock from last round renewed simple as

Attacking rank 1 = resistance
Attacking rank 4 = lame ass move by DA, recruiting his bum buddies to take down an alliance of inactive oldies that his bunch of n00bs couldnt handle alone

Fail... apt name

[Ahead]

What I get from this thread..


I was furious to see pms saying "So i hear you are organising the resistence tonight Twigley"?

NO

Each ally leader needs to be involved.
You need to motivate your players, that isnt my job.
I can organise times to send etc but it's YOUR job to put the effort in aswell.

Lols from this. I saw logs of you saying something along the lines of "Hell no, I'm going out" when asked if you were organising that night :P Gl sending and organising the other alliances if you're out.

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DA you are still funny. All you are doing by posting now is proving that you are unable to NOT work as a team. Powerblocking is the only way you know now I'm afraid, and it's showing again now. Also, I thought you'd quit anyway? :P

As to your immediate retaliation theory, you make me laugh. RRR and OF have no "close relationship", and there weren't huge retals on STN/Fail/Enmity when you had sent to OF. There was one wave sent on one Enmity member which probably would have happened anyway, but took place then as I heard that Enmity had a lot of people all out. The circumstances are irrelevant. They could have been hitting OF, solo's, randoms, or your alliance, that fact does not bother me.


How some people can defend what the TBA nooblock (yes, I am still calling it that - it is the same people as last round doing the same thing as last round) is doing to OF is absolutely ridiculous. But it is interesting that neither Enmity nor STN have attacked on their own in the whole round - it really makes you wonder about the quality of their players, particularly after last round.


All I can say is:

OF ftw! GL guys I have a lot of respect for you.
The nooblock/powerblock (under the name "Resistance" this round instead of TBA), no respect at all.

[Dark_Angel]

This talk of "powerblock" gives me lulz :/

A powerblock is an organisation that has a massive and unprecedented detrimental impact on the playerbase.

20 guys in OF does not consitute a large enough proportion of the playerbase for people to start crying "powerblock".

Again, the resistance is a perfectly legit group of alliances that have, for the most part, good intentions. OF didnt want to help, they were singled out, alone, and had resources to help strengthen the resistance'. We went in. Don't ask me if we're still going, I wouldnt know :P

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Also, to add my theory on RRR defending OF so much and so soon:

[18:23] <DA|around> I think RRR have jumped so readily to the defence of OF because they know that had they joined the resistance, RRR's chances of winning would be looking somewhat grimmer than they are now
[18:24] <DA|around> rl' stuff Yang
[18:24] <Alcibiades> bollocks
[18:24] <Alcibiades> absolute horseshit
[18:24] <DA|around> Well thats my opinion :P

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Ahead, I don't have a fact about China to hand. Please give me a couple of minutes.

[Khris]

this is a funny thread... I swear i have heard these excuses from twigley before.

the "resistance" for a lack of a better word, can not even kill a bunch of inactive non contactable people, much less RRR. Give up the charade, or maybe just kick twigleys alli out of it and you have alot better chance of accomplishing something. No one except his sheep ever want to deal with him, thats why nothing ever gets done. lol


love my OF family... and the OF Post rocks...

[moorer]

DA I find your stance a little hypocritical to say the least.

2 weeks ago you were complaining how unfair it was that your ally couldn't have a 1 on 1 fight now you happily join a 6 v 1 fight, how quickly you adjust your ethics when it suits you.

[Ahead]

This talk of "powerblock" gives me lulz :/

A powerblock is an organisation that has a massive and unprecedented detrimental impact on the playerbase.

20 guys in OF does not consitute a large enough proportion of the playerbase for people to start crying "powerblock".

Again, the resistance is a perfectly legit group of alliances that have, for the most part, good intentions. OF didnt want to help, they were singled out, alone, and had resources to help strengthen the resistance'. We went in. Don't ask me if we're still going, I wouldnt know :P

What happens next though? Do the same three TBA leaders from last round (excluding you as you quit) team up to take out Aili for not helping them kill OF? Where does it end? Atm it looks like nowhere, as in my eyes it seems like a continuation of last round's powerblock.


Also, to add my theory on RRR defending OF so much and so soon:

[18:23] <DA|around> I think RRR have jumped so readily to the defence of OF because they know that had they joined the resistance, RRR's chances of winning would be looking somewhat grimmer than they are now
[18:24] <DA|around> rl' stuff Yang
[18:24] <Alcibiades> bollocks
[18:24] <Alcibiades> absolute horseshit
[18:24] <DA|around> Well thats my opinion :P

If you say no. OF have already said that they are inactive and uncontactable. I have the utmost respect for many of their players and despite having a lot more talent/skill in there than in Fail/Enmity/STN combined, I don't feel like their activity would have contributed to the resistance much. But it is their decision to be inactive and play purely for fun and on their own.

Tbh I am starting to see what ANK is talking about now...

[Twigley]

This thread is why we can't have nice things.
I love how again i am the one being singled out in all this when infact S2N joined the "resistence" last.
I guess you guys need to vent your frustration somewhere, and using me as a target (because i put together a group of 60 "noobs" as you call them, organised them a bit and used it to beat others), makes you feel better then keep going.


I've already said -
OF, you have plenty of targets so will you stop hitting the alliances that want to try and resist and we have no problem.


Let's not forget YOU are the ones who put the post on the forums saying you didn't want to join in on any form of resistence.
YOU are the ones who sit there, letting the rank 1 alliance run away with it while annoying players in your alliance such as wacky go around 0ing resistence members troops.


Who is the villian ? :S

Is everytime 1 or more alliances work together for a few days (It's been a few days only btw), going to be thrown onto "powerblock".
Oh please.


Also for those complaining about nothing beign done - how about you give some pms around and organise something yourself instead of relying on others?
Oh i know why - because you expect everyone else to do it for you.



You know you really do wonder why people like Me and JJ get annoyed at some of the people on these forums.
People like Alci and Garret can discuss without flaming what the problem is however there are some people who think they are internet super heroes and will be hypocrites at every oppurtunity.

Yeah we "noob blocked" and NOBODY is defending that so stop repeating that.
We get it was nooby, we get it wasn't great for the game. OK?



You think you can do better organising the resistence?
Speak up and you sort it out.
Because all you have just done is give RRR exactly what they want - disruption.

STOP THINKING SHORT TERM, AND THINK LONG TERM.

The ONLY way to beat an ally like RRR is to use long term tactics, not think "ZOMG THEY IZ GETTING MOAR FUNDZ THAN ALL OF UZZ WITH THEIR MAZZ ACREZ" ...

Gg guys.

[Melnibone]

Lol we have no interest in beating RRR S2N or anyone else, we play as we choose

You are not singled out i'm fairly certain i spoke about a n00bblock of which you were and are still part of and as has been agreed by everyone the decision to attack OF was DA's

Bullying smaller alliances into attacking someone other than rank 1 is manipulation of the playerbase by a powerblock no amount of nonsense spouted by anyone in TBA that this is still a resistance will wash

Did Ail join in on the attacks on us? no they took any losses we gave them and hit us back ALONE a concept seemingly alien to any of you guys.

You do not decide how myself or my alliance mates play the only arrogance in this topic has come from the leaders of TBA that feel they can justify their actions as part of a resistance against a rank 4 alliance

As stated previously youv'e gave me some of the most fun moments of the round so far, I do reserve the right however at any time to call a spade a spade and if/when OF fall to the combined weight of several alliances (now with substantial land/score differential) the alliances currently in the resistance will find their efforts considered 'not enough' and more excuses will spew from your mouths as to the reason it take 3+ allies to kill them for 'not pulling their weight'

But as usual the weak will believe your lies as its easier for them to wait for the incoming tomorrow than face it today we on the other hand did not and have no intention of ever doing so

Id rather die on my feet than live a lifetime on my knees..... the alliances outside the n00bblock should consider this........

[Twigley]

-Rubbish-

I lolled.

Like i said, i asked if you would not attack the resistence alliances so that they too can build some troops up and attack.

Not a reasonable request?

I just see you killing those, that want to resist, a negative thing hence why you got your few incs, mostly from us.


You do not decide how myself or my alliance mates play

Is the EXACT same thing i said last round.
And will say it right back to you.

You can carry on all you like.
However as i see it -

A) Leave the allies that want to join in to the resistence alone for a few days.
B) Carry on hitting them and play your own game.

[Melnibone]

Theres only discworld in our realistic range? so your saying attack them or you'll force the rest of the top 10 to attack us... and you state my post is 'rubbish' ??

You are telling me that the top 10 cannot muster enough troops to resist because of the actions of 3-4 members of OF that have decided to have fun bounty hunting?

Rofl keep going Twigs your making me feel better about myself and my alliance every time you post

[Twigley]

Read these simple facts.


1) Smaller alliances wont send at a LT when they have inc from OF members. Their entire alliance does not join in.

2) They can't muster up a real amount of troops or morale because you keep bounty hunting them.

3) If you left them alone for a few days, let them build up a bit, let them build some confidence up, then we will begin the resistence.

4) If this happens, we have a much greater chance of beating RRR.

I clearly said you can carry on i just want you to know you are stopping alliances from joining in.
You know maybe they want to have some fun before it's too late?

You are all "oldies" so you will understand time frames in Bushtarion and how a little badness in the short term normally leads to alot more goodness in the long term.
You have alot of days left to so all that, why not ease off them for a while and see what happens.

5) If nothing happens on RRR i will personally quit in 1 weeks time.

Read the facts.
Try discredit those facts.

[Melnibone]

1) Smaller alliances wont send at a LT when they have inc from OF members. Their entire alliance does not join in.

these alliance that you have no control over attack us while hiding behind a banner of resistance you have not resisted yet therefore they are still trying to steal/attack so you are saying that to allow you to fulfill your aims we have to ignore incoming and not in any way retaliate against those attacking us... no not going to happen. 1 fact discredited

2) They can't muster up a real amount of troops or morale because you keep bounty hunting them.

Thanks for the compliment but if an alliance cant stop a couple of members of a similar sized alliance attacking them they are in fact no use to you except in numbers but then again thats how TBA play pure numbers...... id say thats 2 facts discredited (and giving members of the alliance im in more credit than i think they deserve)

3) If you left them alone for a few days, let them build up a bit, let them build some confidence up, then we will begin the resistence.

Thats not in anyway shape or form a fact thats a supposition so i wont claim this as a fact discredited more a belief you hold that i personally dont

4) If this happens, we have a much greater chance of beating RRR.

Again not a fact resistances tend to succeed very quickly or not at all i may be wrong but i believe this to be the case. The time your alliances have wasted against us has allowed RRR to be much stronger than they would have been you'll choose to blame us for this personally i blame the alliances involved for allowing DA chiefly but others too for allowing your so called resistance to be sidetracked so another fact discredited is that 3?

5) If nothing happens on RRR i will personally quit in 1 weeks time.

I personally hope this is not a fact but i believe it may be only you know if this is indeed the one TRUE fact you posted... the problem here Twigley is that until last round while i dont think we were ever friends i did have the utmost respect for your abilities and skill (i still do) and tbh i dont know what happened in my 6 rounds absence to turn you into the player/personality i see now ingame and in last rounds forums. Quittting in one week or not the game has already lost a great gamer and a very valuable member of the community (personally i believe this to be your own doing but as i say i dont know the reasons/history behind it)


In short Twigley a fact is something that irrespective of opinions is true if you re-read your post im sure you'll find that your facts (except possibly 5) are not facts merely your opinions and viewpoints yet you seem to wish us to believe that your opinion is indeed fact yet i see no evidence to support them only suppositions you have.

[Hobbezak]

You are telling me that the top 10 cannot muster enough troops to resist because of the actions of 3-4 members of OF that have decided to have fun bounty hunting?


1. It's obviously not cool to receive any incoming from alliance A when you have your entire ally hitting alliance B (which is in fact what a resistance is). So that would be either a landhit (which is not cool) or someone who obviously is offline, as he didn't sent, gets wtfraped (even less cool).
So in this respect, even a single attacker can be enormously annoying to a resistance.

2. A NAP, that has been going for perhaps a week?, is NOT a powerblock. Seriously Melni, you and your entire alliance should have been around long enough to know what the difference between a powerblock and a NAP. If only there was an ignore on certain keywords like "powerblock", it would drastically improve the quality of my time on this forums.

[Melnibone]

to your first point Hobbezak as we are not part of the resistance we have no indication of the timings of the attacks i think everyone can agree this now if they have evidence in the form of news logs that can verified where a resistance attack has failed due to us sending a BH attack on one of the alliances now would be a good time to show some proof

The resistance is a very important thing it is not there to be used by people to launch attacks at an alliance then in 2-3 hours when the attacked alliance has planned retaliations in the form of zeroing and grabs go bleating to the rest of the resistance alliances that an alliance is ruining the resistance

To the 2nd point if im wrong then i apologise but i dont think it is said anywhere in the new legislation in the EULA that only the rank 1 alliance can be a powerblock, the self same 3 alliances that admitted powerblocking and indeed who the legislation was introduced because of, are and have been attacking common enemies all round together let us point out the RESISTANCE are not attacking us the 3 allied powerblock from last round are

I and no-one else from OF has attacked 'during' a resistance strike or the tick beforehand no mail has ever been exchanged saying anything to this effect, what is happening is that alliances are being bullied to either join something they have no wish to be part of or have no effective targets until Twigley decides they can?

[Twigley]

what is happening is that alliances are being bullied to either join something they have no wish to be part of or have no effective targets until Twigley decides they can?

Attack when you want.

Just know you are damaging those allies that want to join in and are being prevented.
How many times do i need to repeat that i am asking you, not telling you, to please lay off them.

[lavadog]

I think it's ironic that people keep complaining about the resistance not resisting, while they themselves are actually keeping it from doing so. Bounty hunting on the resistance will have a very negative effect on it's organization, as it keeps troops at home (who can't be used in resistance attacks) or kills off troops. Even two or three guys can mess up a whole attack plan, cuz almost every single attacker is crucial in a resistance (even if he's only canon fodder).

Imo, alliances like OF should lay back for a week or so and get their payback after the resistance is over (whether it's successful or not) and the game is fairly open again. What you guys don't realize, is that, if the resistance is not successful, you will be massed anyways when the fights for rank 2 break out and you are remembered as that one top alli that didn't help. Btw, why shouldn't you be able to have fun in a resistance?

DISCLAIMER: This is my point of view. I'm p-solo (the ANK way ;P) and have no ties whatsoever with any of the involved parties.

[harriergirl]

:popcorn: Melni gives me Lulz... I missed him so much.

[Melnibone]

And we said no we were not going to agree to hit no-one in our effective range for a week at least to let them prepare and for as long as you state there is a resistance. if you were asking youd maybe offer to mail me or anyone at OF the LT of your first strike at RRR we would quite happily agree to not send any mobs at anyone marked as R from 8 or 9 ticks beforehand to 10-12 ticks after the last wave or active signs of a wave i believe as we are not unreasonable people our Leader could confirm or deny this if you had indeed ever asked anything and not threatened it.

As things stand though i dont see this happening so as your so fond of facts the fact is you are saying that for the next 2-3 weeks OF, because they choose not to 'resist' are not allowed to attack as all the top 10 except us, ka-tet and discworld are R tagged alliances. Disc are almost half our size and ka-tet a third of us (in score)

This is not a reasonable request by anyone and this not any form of arrogance from us merely an indication that we do not have any intentions of spoiling ANY resistance but we will also not stop playing a game for 2-3 weeks at the whim of a resistance that has not resisted and as you stated in most of your post has no plans of doing so for a couple of days to allow everyone to get big enough.

[Twigley]

Oh hi i replied without reading.

I said 2-3 days to let them build up a bit so we can start.
Once we start, we see what happens.

Not 2-3 weeks as you said.
That would be unreasonable.


3) If you left them alone for a few days, let them build up a bit, let them build some confidence up, then we will begin the resistence.

[Garrett]

on one hand you have - OF who are playing for themselves. good for you. keep it up, i've been able to find the fun of the game again leading this round. they aren't resisting, they are attacking and playing the game.

on the other hand - it's difficult to pull off a resistance when you have inc from other allies. so do you make it a priority to defend vs the small ally? or since you have a chance of getting mullered by rank 1 anyway, do you continue to send and write the small inc off?


Both sides are right, both sides are wrong and no one has a correct answer because it's a matter of personal choice which way you take it. In effect all the answers could be right, but you only get to choose one.

Yes, the old TBA hitting OF together with smaller alliances does certainly feel like a powerblock. I know I would be up in anger/frustration at multiple alliances attacking me at once and actually have already had that happen this round.

But, in honesty Twigley in the resistance channel did say that attacking OF was a way to get the other alliances working together and clicking on all cylinders to prepare for the big game.

This reasoning and logic has it's points and some very good pros about it; however, it didn't sit well with me and did not take part. Am I working with anyone? Sure when it behooves me I worked with RRR vs 2nd20, I've worked with JJ when we tried to be the resistance ourselves and bringing on AA. When RRR took the lead, I found myself wanting to resist since my alliance 'found itself' high in the rankings. We're still for fun, but resisting IS fun. well the carnage is where we get our kicks.

In fact earlier in the round I told JJ that our 2 allies would probably war again and said that I looked forward to a 1v1 battle if that was at all possible.

So people can use the term powerblock, but I don't think it's happening here. yes you can say last round's powerblock is working together right now, but there are many alliances in the resistance and most of them don't work well withing their own 20 let alone in this large group. So definitely after the 'resistance' is over, most everyone is going to go their own way. This is from observation, i can't claim to know everyone's motives.

I personally would like to see the term 'powerblock' not used in this conversation unless it's to say 'last rounds powerblock is ganging up on my alliance' but from what I can observe no one is actively 'powerblocking'.

You want to see powerblocking, I send you to the round in which 'WeSuck' was 2nd in value but first in ally points. They decided to starve out the top. They stayed mostly out of the top's range and they killed everyone under them to make sure 'the top' couldn't gain effectiveness/land/points. They secured a points win by blocking the rest of the game from being able to resist.

Now for the shocker, I don't know who 'Old Fart' is exactly (altho i have a prime suspect :D), but I believe OF's core is the same core he had for WeSuck ;)


Nao, can we play the game?

[Alcibiades]

can we start resisting already

ranks 2,3,4 & 6 match in size if not more than that of rank 1 (okay they no doubt have enough seeds to rape and buy up) but if the resistance doesnt start hitting them using the multiple players and complimentary routes to good effect we're gonna have another stale powerblock sort of round.


You obviously don't understand what a powerblock is.

probably true been solo for most of them. but i thought things may be staling was my only concern, and and that perhaps there wasnt enough activity, and hence theres a group of alliances feeding on those not resisting, to get big. im sure it wont last this way, why i went to the gripes section and not the discussion section.

but none the less it has many of the characteristics of a powerblock. with little outcome seeming to head in the way of resisting rank one and bringing them down and more time passing. i did say maybe i've not been so actively informed on the actuall RRR attacks.
As until now i wasnt aware there had been many.

but feel free to clearly define your definition of a power block, and its differing characteristics to that of the current state of affairs. Hence dismissing my concerns & gripes in a more helpful way.

A Powerblock is generally considered to be a group of alliances working together deliberately to maintain their position to the detriment of the lower alliances with the inevitable side effect of stagnating gameplay.

These are usually, but possibly not always, the top alliances of the game. They usually have the specific goal in mind of preventing lower alliances from growing or even being able to do anything at all. This generally involves SNAPs between the involved alliances with reassurances of specific help in the event an alliance is under attack. Or did last round anyways.

The current state of affairs does stagnate gameplay, that is correct, and I cannot argue that point. However it must be said that they simply aren't powerblocking. They aren't working together to stagnate gameplay deliberately nor are they specifically SNAPped with the intention of securing ranks 2, 3 and 4 to the detriment of the remaining alliances. At least, not publically; although this may be the result that occurs, I don't think, at least for now, that it is deliberate.

They are currently operating under the resistance banner and theoretically removing any possible threats to themselves so that they can then concentrate fully on attacking RRR. While i myself am somewhat dubious of the nature of this strategy it is theoretically the public strategy of the Resistance. They have previously launched strikes against RRR which had dubious chances of success, but they were and technically still are gunning for RRR. I have my personal doubts but will leave that to be reevaluated later should the need arise.

No question they are stagnating gameplay of non resistance affiliated alliances, but no, they are not powerblocking. At least, not in the traditional form. Working together should be differentiated from powerblocking. Since one can happen without the other and 'working together' does not necessarily denote a powerblock. It remains to be seen how long this state of affairs continues, and then i might change my opinion, depending how long they remain 'SNAPped'. If the SNAP breaks once the resistance is either victorious, or declared dead, then I will remain satisfied they are not powerblocking. If they continue to work together to the detriment of the remaining playerbase I would be forced to reconsider my views.

Was that more helpful in dismissing your views/concerns Wilymchilybily?

[Turnip2k]

You want to see powerblocking, I send you to the round in which 'WeSuck' was 2nd in value but first in ally points. They decided to starve out the top. They stayed mostly out of the top's range and they killed everyone under them to make sure 'the top' couldn't gain effectiveness/land/points. They secured a points win by blocking the rest of the game from being able to resist.

Now for the shocker, I don't know who 'Old Fart' is exactly (altho i have a prime suspect :D), but I believe OF's core is the same core he had for WeSuck ;)


Nao, can we play the game?


Doesn't a powerblock need more than 1 alliance? Can probably think of some better powerblocks in round 9 and 11 I think?

Funny you should mention that round though. That rounds resistance failed because twigley betrayed it to rank 1 and got it killed. WeSuck were just one ally - they did what they did alone, with love and with affection :)

From what I hear, they got 'resisted' in that round too!

[Twigley]

If by betray you mean a member of WeSuck (The alliance that was bashing ours all round) told me one of their attack plans for some STRANGE reason, and then i told a member of the alliance their plan, then sure.

I think you need to look up the word betray.
It was stupidity on Jiggys sake.

[WackyJacky]

I've already said -
OF, you have plenty of targets so will you stop hitting the alliances that want to try and resist and we have no problem.


Yes sure Twigley I will go hit DW at my 40% range because that's how the game is supposed to be played right?
This game is about mashing and bashing those smaller right? No wonder I'm not rank 1 then!

Anyways great conversation going here guys, though I am a bit bored of reading the same counterpoints over and over.

[Melnibone]

Ah well back to the game i guess :)

[WackyJacky]

Ah well back to the game i guess :)

:stupid:

Kilt Attack

[willymchilybily]

can we start resisting already

ranks 2,3,4 & 6 match in size if not more than that of rank 1 (okay they no doubt have enough seeds to rape and buy up) but if the resistance doesnt start hitting them using the multiple players and complimentary routes to good effect we're gonna have another stale powerblock sort of round.


You obviously don't understand what a powerblock is.

probably true been solo for most of them. but i thought things may be staling was my only concern, and and that perhaps there wasnt enough activity, and hence theres a group of alliances feeding on those not resisting, to get big. im sure it wont last this way, why i went to the gripes section and not the discussion section.

but none the less it has many of the characteristics of a powerblock. with little outcome seeming to head in the way of resisting rank one and bringing them down and more time passing. i did say maybe i've not been so actively informed on the actuall RRR attacks.
As until now i wasnt aware there had been many.

but feel free to clearly define your definition of a power block, and its differing characteristics to that of the current state of affairs. Hence dismissing my concerns & gripes in a more helpful way.

A Powerblock is generally considered to be a group of alliances working together deliberately to maintain their position to the detriment of the lower alliances with the inevitable side effect of stagnating gameplay.

These are usually, but possibly not always, the top alliances of the game. They usually have the specific goal in mind of preventing lower alliances from growing or even being able to do anything at all. This generally involves SNAPs between the involved alliances with reassurances of specific help in the event an alliance is under attack. Or did last round anyways.

The current state of affairs does stagnate gameplay, that is correct, and I cannot argue that point. However it must be said that they simply aren't powerblocking. They aren't working together to stagnate gameplay deliberately nor are they specifically SNAPped with the intention of securing ranks 2, 3 and 4 to the detriment of the remaining alliances. At least, not publically; although this may be the result that occurs, I don't think, at least for now, that it is deliberate.

They are currently operating under the resistance banner and theoretically removing any possible threats to themselves so that they can then concentrate fully on attacking RRR. While i myself am somewhat dubious of the nature of this strategy it is theoretically the public strategy of the Resistance. They have previously launched strikes against RRR which had dubious chances of success, but they were and technically still are gunning for RRR. I have my personal doubts but will leave that to be reevaluated later should the need arise.

No question they are stagnating gameplay of non resistance affiliated alliances, but no, they are not powerblocking. At least, not in the traditional form. Working together should be differentiated from powerblocking. Since one can happen without the other and 'working together' does not necessarily denote a powerblock. It remains to be seen how long this state of affairs continues, and then i might change my opinion, depending how long they remain 'SNAPped'. If the SNAP breaks once the resistance is either victorious, or declared dead, then I will remain satisfied they are not powerblocking. If they continue to work together to the detriment of the remaining playerbase I would be forced to reconsider my views.

Was that more helpful in dismissing your views/concerns Wilymchilybily?

thank you Alcibiades, much more helpful. the inherent lack of intent to "powerblock" because the aim is to topple rank 1 not secure thier own rank means its far to early to claim there is a power block. Sounds logical, I can agree with that.

[Melnibone]

If anyone actually attacks the rank 1 that is.... next round at the start i declare my alliance as beginning the resistance (say after 6 ticks or so of the round?) therefore no-one is allowed to attack us as we will be building troops and tactics (we will ofc be allowed to bash anyone below us with no retaliation allowed as we are merely building land and morale for striking the top)

RESISTANCES ATTACK RANK 1!

Anything else is alliances snapping to destroy others for their own benefit nothing more i said this a week ago and all the b/s excuses i made above were used as justification against me

The original attacks on our alliance began because we refused to be bullied into helping others do their dirty work... nothing more. Unlike Fail we did not pretend to help the resistance to avoid being bashed we took our knocks and fought for the 20 in our alliance and we survived the initial onslaught Fail seemed to die in one night

The resistance still has time to actually do something S2N Enmity and Ail all have skilled players and good land/troop counts now are they actually going to do something or are they going to drop this ridiculous facade of a resistance geared to only pick on the small?
Personally i dont care which as i am and never have been interested in any alliance other than the one im in but i do believe that people in this game should have a bit of honesty about them for once

[Changer]

The resistance still has time to actually do something S2N Enmity and Ail all have skilled players and good land/troop counts now are they actually going to do something or are they going to drop this ridiculous facade of a resistance geared to only pick on the small?



I don't agree with all this bashing OF or smaller alliances to get the means done, but that is much to the point. Its only NOW that they have these staff, that they have a smaller chance of success.