RapeRinseRepeat's Request | R31

[Martin]

Gooday kind sirs and sirettes,

I write this from one of RRR***8217;s hotseats, to give you an update you have been longing for due to the 4 alliances up top seemingly at a stand-off. Rumours have been flying and some seem to be true, some not.

Firstly my view of the stand-off is that Twigley and JJ are not working together, I have no reason to believe they are. My view is that in light of their friendship they would still look to prioritise killing each other until their enemies have fallen e.g. ourselves.
This ***8216;fear***8217; led me to be in touch with Fail.***8217;s leadership to try and work out a fair, fun way to battle for this top rank. I am now standing next to Fail. in the battlefield while sending RRR's armies to attack Enmity (JJ). The reason being is;

1. I do not want to have to team up and bash one alliance with multiple alliances.
2. I do not want to run this risk of it happening to us.

Therefore I request to fight Enmity 1v1.

Fail. and Second To None do what they need to do (hopefully fight amongst themselves).

These battles are about to begin, which leader will avoid having their metaphorical head removed and thrown to the floor***8230;..?

I wish all the other alliances luck in this battle royal!



*edit*
Apparently it looks like I have written it as RRR + Fail. vs Enmity. This is not the case, it is supposed to merely repressent a joint perspective, an agreement if you will between RRR AND Fail. about the fairest way to play this round.

[Alcibiades]

To Battle!

[Garrett]

Your standard of noncompliance will simply add you to our list.

When you are on top, we will dissent!

RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE!

Do not buy RRR's story! They simply want the land and carnage kept between the top 4 alliances no matter how the story plays out. In a multiple alliance resistance the land is spread out throughout the PLAYERBASE!

Multiple Alliance Resistances are the bread and butter of this game! RRR is trying to kill the game in a different way. DISSENT! JOIN ME!

[f0xx]

So, to give a more simple explenation.

The rank 4 alliance is about to attack the rank 1 alliance and requests noone else to interfere (on any of the sides) so they can have a fair one on one battle.

Good luck Martin and RRR, hopefully your request will be fulfilled.

[Garrett]

heresey. rank 4 attacking rank 1 for dominance they want the battle between them so they don't share land!

lies, politics, heresey. it's all the same!

(btw, politics aside, good luck)

[Alchemist]

To battle !!!

with four simular score/ land allainces. all active, skilled and ready for blood.

This round proves to be interesting :)

GL to all

Alchemist

[pinpower]

Good luck young sir! May the force be with you!!!

;)

[Martin]

...and now we have incoming from Second To None. Seems we are the only ones with a sense of fair play. :)

[alexx]

...and now we have incoming from Second To None. Seems we are the only ones with a sense of fair play. :)

life aint fair

[Garrett]

you know if you find yourself in a fair fight you've planned your mission wrong.

I will be waiting over at my HQ when you want to reconsider my services :)

[Twigley]

I dont beleive this BS you said.
And i dont want to play to your rules.

War aint far..

EDIT

Regarding you asking Fail to hit us.

If some alliance tells another alliance to hit us, you think i like that?
You think im gonna sit here and watch an ally tell another to try kill us?
I dont think so.

[Antinoobkiller]

I will help the winning side.

[Ranzou]

I will help the winning side.

Not very antinoobkiller then, are you? :(

[Davis]

Martin you say you want to 1v1. Then why are you "standing by fails side" even if you aren't team attacking, you still are working with them which is just as bad? You said to them to hit us, and you expect us to take out your requests on them? You were the one requesting the hits you will reap the reprocations.

Also to further point out your hypocrisy was it not you that swore not to help/work with/ally with. ANYONE who was in anyway involved in TBA last round, yet it is you that is rushing to "side with fail" who for the most part was part of TBA last round? why the sudden change of mind?

[Martin]

Martin you say you want to 1v1. Then why are you "standing by fails side" even if you aren't team attacking, you still are working with them which is just as bad? You said to them to hit us, and you expect us to take out your requests on them? You were the one requesting the hits you will reap the reprocations.

Also to further point out your hypocrisy was it not you that swore not to help/work with/ally with. ANYONE who was in anyway involved in TBA last round, yet it is you that is rushing to "side with fail" who for the most part was part of TBA last round? why the sudden change of mind?




*snip*
Firstly my view of the stand-off is that Twigley and JJ are not working together, I have no reason to believe they are. My view is that in light of their friendship they would still look to prioritise killing each other until their enemies have fallen e.g. ourselves.
This ‘fear’ led me to be in touch with Fail.’s leadership to try and work out a fair, fun way to battle for this top rank. I am now standing next to Fail. in the battlefield while sending RRR's armies to attack Enmity (JJ). The reason being is;

1. I do not want to have to team up and bash one alliance with multiple alliances.
2. I do not want to run this risk of it happening to us.

*snip*

[ 22:04 ] < [R]Martin > I have no quarms about what you are doing ingame
[ 22:04 ] < [R]Martin > I would have liked it to have been fair and I tried for it to be, but the odds weren't on for it to work
[ 22:05 ] < [R]Martin > but you leapt down my throat again just when I wanted to reply, personally to say I was not bullshitting you
[ 22:05 ] < [R]Martin > I'll save some logs I can show you later on so you can see
[ 22:05 ] < [R]Martin > but after the 'battles'
[ 22:05 ] < [R]Martin > Don't want you to think I am crying :P
[ 22:12 ] < Twigley > Lol
[ 22:12 ] < Twigley > No
[ 22:13 ] < Twigley > Np*


I have the logs saved for when this is over to show that I did want it fair. Granted I think the majority of RRR wanted to win by necessary means, but *my* view as *I* posted was a have a fun, fair battle.

[Podunk]

Good luck to both sides. Let there be blood.

[Twigley]

This is like, best fun ive had in bush since round 25!

Now it's 2 v 2 btw! :D
S2N + En V Fail + RRR
Gl to you guys, let's keep it clean on forums, but please lots of propaganda and arguing.


* First action was RRR hitting Enminity and stealing 1-2k land.
* Then S2N hit RRR and stole 6k+ or so acres.
* Then Fail + RRR hit S2N and stole 4.7k acres.
* Now Enminity hitting FAIL and i think they steal maybe 10k atleast?

Pretty much equal damage when they hit S2N, and when S2N hit RRR, we lost some flak.
Not sure about FAIL being hit by Enminity ... i guess i let them fill you in.


Keep it up g0g0g00g :D

[Garrett]

keep sending your pa's please. i do so enjoy them :)

[Alcibiades]

* Then S2N hit RRR and stole 6k+ or so acres.


4.5k acres is what you mean.

This is also loads of fun, finally some non shitty battling.

I, therefore, cannot help but approve. Battling ftw!

[Twigley]

Hmm, s2n and Emnity hit Fail and steal 20k land or so, do a bout 1 trill funds damage.

[DaN]

bah sadly i wasnt here for the action, friday night i usually go out with some hot babes, bad timing!

[Dark_Angel]

I'd just like to clarify that Fail. And RRR attacked S2N only after S2N and Enmity made it clear they were working together. (By hitting RRR).

I would have liked this round to have been a free for all, but, make no mistake, it wasn't.

I helped RRR hit S2N last night purely on the basis that both S2N and Enmity had hit RRR, and I'd intel that both were planning an attack on Fail. the early hours of the morning. Our mass with RRR on S2N seemed to confirm that, as retals were readily launched from Enmity/S2N

I did not happily go up against S2N with RRR, I did so knowing that if I didn't S2N and Enmity would have came for us anyway.

GL every alliance under S2N and Enmity. Prepare for another round of blocking...

[cb1202]

We must dissent.

[timtadams]

oh i dont know if its going to be like last round DA. It seems like two on two atm. If they are working together, the best thing to do is gang up on them.

[Dark_Angel]

S2N/Enmity made the first move working together, and forced a collective response from Fail. and RRR to work together on one attack.

[lavadog]

Which only means more and bloodier fighting :D

Huzzah.

[Martin]

I'd just like to clarify that Fail. And RRR attacked S2N only after S2N and Enmity made it clear they were working together. (By hitting RRR).

I would have liked this round to have been a free for all, but, make no mistake, it wasn't.

I helped RRR hit S2N last night purely on the basis that both S2N and Enmity had hit RRR, and I'd intel that both were planning an attack on Fail. the early hours of the morning. Our mass with RRR on S2N seemed to confirm that, as retals were readily launched from S2N.

I did not happily go up against S2N with RRR, I did so knowing that if I didn't S2N and Enmity would have came for us anyway.

GL every alliance under S2N and Enmity. Prepare for another round of blocking...


tbh, it was 2v2, you guys having no LETs and not partaking cost you your rank, no doubt RRR will be next.

I hope Twigs and JJ won't keep their NAP all round and I don't expect them to, but they beat us both fair and square. Kudos!

[Dark_Angel]

I'd have much preferred a FFA - no FTW alliances working together.

I was very reluctant to help RRR, as I hoped Enmity/S2N would play fair and hit alone. They didn't. We had to react. Now the round looks to be taking a similar shape to that of last.

:/

Ah well.

[Martin]

I'd have much preferred a FFA - no FTW alliances working together.

I was very reluctant to help RRR, as I hoped Enmity/S2N would play fair and hit alone. They didn't. We had to react. Now the round looks to be taking a similar shape to that of last.

:/

Ah well.


As would I, but we discussed the risks and both came to a joint decision. STN and Enmity then worked together, so we hit them together. We were then ready to hit again and your guys all vanished and you died in the night?
I don't think it's fair to pull the 'powerblock' tool when it was 2v2 and a fair fight, just because you didn't look to keep up the momentum after the first hit and all your guys dissapeared so we couldn't coordinate again.

Put the nails in your own coffin so to speak? :P

[alexx]

What's up with the guru defense with no sweepers @ fail lol?

[Dark_Angel]

Martin - I get what you're saying. I'm saying I regret that we had to hit them atall. We shouldnt have had to work together because they were. It should have been a FFA in the first place.

My whole round start play for my alliance, personally, was to minimise spending on units of moderate power and delay until we get more powerful units. Thats something that would have worked had we had a fair FFA, which I was hoping would be the case given the uproar last round.

I hit with you guys as a very last resort - And tbh it was a bad call on my behalf to help - given we're euro heavy and most of our guys hit bed a couple hours after LT. But I did so, because I expected inc in the early hours of the morning from both Enmity and S2N anyway.

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Real shame it had to come to last night, and that alliances have proved once again they can't take rank 1 by themselves - they need help....

I was confident my alliance could do just that, but it wasnt to be.

As for the "nails in our own coffin" thing - we hit S2N with you guys, got 24 retals from Emnity within about 20 minutes (further proof, IMO, they were preparing to hit us soon after regardless of whether we went first) - I challenge you to maintain your outgoing when you've that many incs, and few LETs to defend them because you weren't expecting a FFA was out of the question as soon as JJ/Twigley decided to work together.

I know I sound like I'm moaning. I am moaning. I wanted a fair FFA. And being forced into working with RRR, because JJ/Twigley had already taken the first move, was unfair, and a bit of a dissapointment tbh :P

[Martin]

We'd keep up the outgoings ;)

but fair point.

[pinpower]

Woop!

Now ive had some sleep that was both awesome and sucked. Was up til 6am and just scrambling around findind defence! At the time it wasnt great but tbh, this is one of the best bits of bush...battling against the odds, hoping you can pull it together at the last moment. It doesnt always work (as our current land/score shows) but its fun none the less.

8 days in! Lets do it!.


Just as a last point cos i dont want to be one of the people moaning all the time about this but tbh i would have thought more of JJ in particular this round. But meh, you do what you can to win i guess...:(

[lavadog]

It's actually good that you teamed up with RRR, DA. You're a resistance after all, whether it's against one or 2 alliances. If they put their strength in numbers once more, you just do the same to stop them from doing so. Then after you're resistance is succesful, you can just split up again and have a FFA like you wanted.

That's just what resistances do, they team up, take down whoever is on top and then disband. After a while a new resistance forms and takes down the new top alliance(s). Ideally it should be an unending cycle. I don't know, however, if there's been many of these cycles before through all of the round.

[pinpower]

I dont know if DA explained it already, havnt had much sleep so just skimmed through his post. BUT

Initially RRR hit Enmity
S2N retalled RRR when they were af2 on Enmity. Along with Retals from Enmity themselves (im told)

Hours later RRR and Fail hit S2N. The only reason we hit together was because of the co-ordinated retals coming from Enmity and S2N against RRR.

The initial plan was to be RRR v Enmity // Fail v S2N (although that attack itself was called off/delayed due to us not being ready.)

When i was talking to Martin previous to the hits he in particular maintained that it would be 1 v 1 // 1 v 1 throughout. No teaming up against 1 of them at a time. So that was our plan, S2N and Enmity however were already working together (at least enough to retal for each other - which iirc was what alot of the moaning was about)

Like i said i dont wanna moan too much, but im sure JJ and Twigs remember last round when the resistance pretty much gave up due to (as well as a couple of other things) the fact that if they attacked one alliance in TBA the others would retal thus costing them alot more. By seemingly doing the same this round will it give them the same advantage, allowing them to tech up and sit on huge land advantages until they either fight it out or dont...

Meh. :D

[CFalcon]

The initial plan was to be RRR v Enmity // Fail v S2N (although that attack itself was called off/delayed due to us not being ready.)

When i was talking to Martin previous to the hits he in particular maintained that it would be 1 v 1 // 1 v 1 throughout. No teaming up against 1 of them at a time. So that was our plan, S2N and Enmity however were already working together (at least enough to retal for each other - which iirc was what alot of the moaning was about)

Like i said i dont wanna moan too much, but im sure JJ and Twigs remember last round when the resistance pretty much gave up due to (as well as a couple of other things) the fact that if they attacked one alliance in TBA the others would retal thus costing them alot more. By seemingly doing the same this round will it give them the same advantage, allowing them to tech up and sit on huge land advantages until they either fight it out or dont...


I don't know if you're played this game before, but a straight up 1v1 is never going to happen in a battle for the top involving more than 2 alliances. It's not to the advantage of the 2 alliances in the 1v1 to let the others sit back and take no damage, and it's not to the advantage of the other alliances to pass an opportunity for easy acres.

As to the retal thing, Fail and RRR can't do this because?

I also have a feeling (and am very much hoping) that this 2v2 situation won't last long. Fail have taken a slapping, but nothing really decisive has happened, so there's still everything to play for. Seeing how quickly the teams were decided yesterday, they could just as quickly change again.

[pinpower]

No, im not saying 2 v 1 is wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with 2 alliances teaming up to take down another for mutual gains. Some people would argue it "low" or "unskilled" but you are right. In this game you work together often especially at the top.

What im trying to point out is as per RRR's initial wishes we planned to hit 1 v 1 // 1 v 1. To be more fair/have more fun i dont know ;P. But that was the plan. It was only because Enmity and S2N are working together a hell of alot more than RRR and Fail ever will that we ended up attacking together.

And like i said above, 2 v 1 is all well and good. Its the retalling for each other that i am dissapointed in. Thought after last round that would all be over with.

[Mateeen]

after the retal from S2n onto Fail, enmity hit Fail. ALONE with just flak and a few LET. The result was 10k land in 1 wave

now you tell me, when your alliance is so weak that it looses 10k land in 1 wave to 1 alliance with 10-12 members sending, why wouldnt other alliances jump in.

and anyways, its only 8 days in, dont act like the round is over, theo nly difference between rank 1 and rank 4 atm is land score + like 1 tril in troops, why give up that fast?

[pinpower]

We arent giving up, god no! The round is only 8 days in...its barely even started!

But dont try and claim that it wasnt co-ordinated between S2N and Enmity.

Anyway, ive said my piece.
Bring on the rest of the round!!!!

[Dark_Angel]

Nobody is giving up. I'm merely conveying the fact that I'm disheartened we once again have ftw alliances who need to hold hands to win... (yes I was part of such a formation of alliances last round, I've admitted that and hoped this round would be different)

Fail and RRR were *NOT* working together before JJ/Twigley made it very clear they were - by retalling for each other and jointly attacking.

What I am looking forward to is them having to bite the bullet and hit each other. Just wondering whether they'll do that before or after Azzer threatens to impose anti-blocking provisions for, now outlawed, working together (closely) for an extended amount of time with no prospect of that agreement being broken >.>

Roll on D-Day ;D

[Ahead]

What's up with the guru defense with no sweepers @ fail lol?

I've seen, and landed against similar defence from S2N/Enmity, so don't play that rubbish card tbh.

All the posts of yours that I've seen on here are useless and unecessary. Stop posting unless you're going to add to the topic, idiot.


As for what's happened; I would have thought that Enmity and S2N would have more balls seeing as they were both bigger than Fail and RRR when the original 1 v 1 / 1 v 1 plan was requested at the beginning of this thread. Would have been much more fun all around if they had accepted it tbh, 1v1 is always much more fun than 2v1.


What I am looking forward to is them having to bite the bullet and hit each other. Just wondering whether they'll do that before or after Azzer threatens to impose anti-blocking provisions for, now outlawed, working together (closely) for an extended amount of time with no prospect of that agreement being broken >.>

Roll on D-Day ;D

Agreed :P Will be interesting to see how much further they go, as surely them working together will soon be against EULA (I'm guessing if they stay teamed up and hit RRR before Fail recover, gaining a large lead over both RRR and Fail, that will be deemed as against EULA then?)

[Matthew]

I'd have much preferred a FFA - no FTW alliances working together.

I was very reluctant to help RRR, as I hoped Enmity/S2N would play fair and hit alone. They didn't. We had to react. Now the round looks to be taking a similar shape to that of last.

:/

Ah well.

If you were reluctant to help each other then why team up against 2 very competent leaders who have a SOLID friendship/working relationship. Seems retarded.

[Dark_Angel]

I'd have much preferred a FFA - no FTW alliances working together.

I was very reluctant to help RRR, as I hoped Enmity/S2N would play fair and hit alone. They didn't. We had to react. Now the round looks to be taking a similar shape to that of last.

:/

Ah well.

If you were reluctant to help each other then why team up against 2 very competent leaders who have a SOLID friendship/working relationship. Seems retarded.

Because the alternative was sitting back and waiting for them to hit my alliance. They'd already started at RRR, it was a matter of time before they come looking for us.

They were and are working together, the sensible thing was to play them at their own game. Something I regret I've had to do in a round supposedly exclusively FFA. As I've said.

[Matthew]

I'd have much preferred a FFA - no FTW alliances working together.

I was very reluctant to help RRR, as I hoped Enmity/S2N would play fair and hit alone. They didn't. We had to react. Now the round looks to be taking a similar shape to that of last.

:/

Ah well.

If you were reluctant to help each other then why team up against 2 very competent leaders who have a SOLID friendship/working relationship. Seems retarded.

Because the alternative was sitting back and waiting for them to hit my alliance. They'd already started at RRR, it was a matter of time before they come looking for us.

They were and are working together, the sensible thing was to play them at their own game. Something I regret I've had to do in a round supposedly exclusively FFA. As I've said.

I'm more refering to your reluctance. I can understand your want for a free for all round etc. but outright claiming you were reluctant to team up yet going along with it anyway? Surely if you were reluctant to do so you would have treated this more as a resistance towards this collaboration between JJbrosanjeev-alah-hak-rama-dan and Twigfag.

Fair play to you though DA for wanting an independant round and sticking to it. Muchos kudos. Just hope you resort to Dissent when the time comes ;)

[Twigley]

Fail and RRR were *NOT* working together before JJ/Twigley made it very clear they were - by retalling for each other and jointly attacking.


Well that's a lie.
Let's get the real time scale of events from OUR point, you seem to be missing one.
Also let's get some perspective.
All 4 alliances where seperated by 300million score when this kicked off. Thats 1 tech of HW or so.

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- Day 1 - None of the top 4 working together or talking to each other.
- Day 2-4 - DA told me himself he had been talking to Martin most of he round about plans etc. Still Twigley and JJ not.
- Day 7 - After seeing Martins post and DA apparently being by their side, Twigley and JJ decide to team up against them.

* RRR hit Enminity.
* RRR told Fail to hit S2N <- You missed this part out.
* S2N are told that Fail have had an attack plan on their pols (Which you just said you did) to attack S2N

At this point - if another alliance telling you to hit us, and for you to have an attack plan (as pin said), and for you to then wonder *why* we hit RRR after seeing they asked another alliance to hit us, which were going to.

You think that is not working together?
Just because it's 1 ally hitting 1 and 1 ally hitting another does .NOT. make it not working together.


-> RRR told Fail to his us.
-> We saw this and got pissed at this pact they had of being able to tell each ally what to do.
-> We hit RRR when they where out.

-> RRR and Fail then hit us, however i predicted that you guys would hit an alliance 2 v 1 so i told JJ to get some sort of an attack plan together if they wanted to now team up properly.
I told him to get it on Fail as i saw you had next to no troops what so ever apart from flak.

-> Incs come, Fail get blocked on every(?) inc on us and lose lots of land.
-> JJ then says he thinks they gonna hit Fail but we wonder about retals but start to plan a 2 v 1 on Fail to see what they are made of.

-> Both allies send - And got i think 2/3 defences (Remember this was about 1 hour after we had our mass inc and they where at "war")

-> Both allies send through the night.

-> People now come on forums and forget key details.





As Martin said, it was a very fair 2 v 2 fight.
It may of not been how you wanted it, but we dont play to your plans, so im sorry if that upset you.


*****************************************************************
As for mentioning powerblock in every post you make - please grow up, it's embarrasing being told we are powerblocking, not even 24 hours after we started working together to take 2 equal sized alliances down

*****************************************************************



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[Dark_Angel]

Thats one of the reasons I did help S2N last night, the resistance factor. Especially as there was talk of other alliances getting involved to stop the big, bad, JJ and Twigley dominating by holding each others hands.

Because tbh, theres EULA stuff in place to stop powerblocking now. But god knows when that would have been brought in. And even if it was, and they were forced to attack each other, they'd be miles off RRR/Fail. anyway.

--*--

- Day 7 - After seeing Martins post and DA apparently being by their side, Twigley and JJ decide to team up against them.-

"Apparently" - yeah thats something to base "working together" on. A hunch. I'm telling you now, every conversation I had with Martin/RRR was about the POSSIBILITY of helping them IF it was determined you were working with JJ.

It was determined you were.

Fail. were not going to attack S2N without proof/evidence you were both working together. This was given in you retalling for each other.

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I'm not going to get into the minor details of this. A lot of these details are hear say, guess work and instinct.

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Bottomline is, well done, whatever has happened Enmnity/S2N have come out on top. I'm reluctant to see any merit in the way you/they did :/

I'm forgetting the above. And everything surrounding this sequence of events because most of it is just bollocks tbh :P The question now, Twigley, is when exactly will you and JJ stop holding each others hand and try winning by yourselves? :D

[Twigley]

I'm forgetting the above. And everything surrounding this sequence of events because most of it is just bollocks tbh :P The question now, Twigley, is when exactly will you and JJ stop holding each others hand and try winning by yourselves? :D

Are you serious?
Its been 15 hours since we did about 3 waves on you.

And you think that the war is over?
DA, you are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad at this.

I will stop "holding JJ's hand" when you stop holding Martins hand.
Does Martin tell you what to do, and who to attack - or do you?

And don't give me the BS of you not planning to hit us.
Then why when i asked 4 of your members if they where planning on, they said they where unsure but they where attack plans on your politics with all our haxors on them, with a rought LT and a speech from one of your guys saying that everyone should be on tonight?



Secure your alliance mates.
Then tell your lies.
Prolly best not to lie to someone who has seen i all before

[Dark_Angel]

I'm forgetting the above. And everything surrounding this sequence of events because most of it is just bollocks tbh :P The question now, Twigley, is when exactly will you and JJ stop holding each others hand and try winning by yourselves? :D

Are you serious?
Its been 15 hours since we did about 3 waves on you.

And you think that the war is over?
DA, you are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad at this.

I will stop "holding JJ's hand" when you stop holding Martins hand.
Does Martin tell you what to do, and who to attack - or do you?

And don't give me the BS of you not planning to hit us.
Then why when i asked 4 of your members if they where planning on, they said they where unsure but they where attack plans on your politics with all our haxors on them, with a rought LT and a speech from one of your guys saying that everyone should be on tonight?



Secure your alliance mates.
Then tell your lies.
Prolly best not to lie to someone who has seen i all before

I was offline until about 11pm last night. Was in Manchester all day (Star Trek @ IMAX :D)

Nothing goes ahead without my say so. Yes plans may have been drawn up, but they were there incase we decided to go/decided we had enough intel that you and JJ were too much of a thread to let work together.

As for holding Martins hand..

I've took part in one attack on S2N.. I don't have RRRs IDs. I do not have agreements in place to retal their incoming. I do not have future attacks planned. I do not have any agreement in place with RRR at this moment in time.

The only agreement I have ever had in place is that if it was determined you and JJ were working together, for the sake of my alliance, I would reluctantly try and stop it early on.

We failed, as you guys have invested massive amounts in PBs/PAs and very clearly had agreements in place to retal (basing that on having 24 incs from both of you less than 20 minutes after sending the first wave :/)

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Not really bothered now, tbh. Its happened, we've lost the FFA element of play. Just curious as to when your sNap with JJ is going to end and you're going to attack each other. As per the terms of the ammended EULA.

And who'll come out on top ;D

[Matthew]

*takes the shovel off of DA*

Trust me mate, that holes deep enough.

Bottom line is whether Twig or JJ were working together beforehand or not, this thread MADE them do it. They had no other options, i mean seriously. DA take the hypocrit T-Shirt off, its boring watching you say this is bollocks when you did it ALL last round. Don't care whats changed since then, i really don't. I dont see twig or JJ looking for brownie points for not working together. I would just leave it now and do something useful.

[Twigley]

All i can say DA is - i am embarrased for you.

Instead of thinking about war - you are thinking if we will powerblock when is been 17 hours since we were provoked to start working together.

17 hours out of a round of 1824 hour round, and you call the powerblock card straight away.

:(

[Martin]

tbh, not that I want to post just to be difficult but what are you really trying to defend yourself against DA?

Take a step back and look at it, Twigs post I think is completly truthful, as is mine first off. WE had the conversation and I mentionned I didn't think they were working together, but I'd bet money they'd prioritise killing us before each other (that is my only assumption in it and I am not going to argue, because there's no proof either way - but THAT is the reason for OUR actions).

I am dissapointed it couldn't be a 1v1 and 1v1 as that'd be fun, but it ended up being a 2v2, which in certain ways is fairer and more tactically difficult for both.

Fail. need to balls up and grow their seeds and buy some units, as I did say last night. We have lost our advantage which I was so so keen to get by striking first. Due to back tactics (I am not being nasty but honest) you have lost your foothold. Losing that foothold now means you have a spare leg to swing at them and knock out some teeth!!

Enmity are now chosing to mass flak instead of buying LETs, makes it a damn site easier when rushing and defending against them ;)

[Dark_Angel]

I'm not going to argue with anyone. In my mind you guys acted first by helping each other out with retals and joint attacks. The first move Fail. made was last night, and the full extent of your very close relationship was made clear :/

We'll see - in the future. If you guys arent warring by next week we'll take it my "premature" analysis of your relationship a powerblock in the making may well be correct. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I reckon you guys will refrain from hitting each other for a good while.

[Twigley]

Prove me wrong? Go attack each other?
Or have you not given each other enough of a leg up yet? :P


Like i said its been 3 proper waves on you and 17 hours, we are still in war mode.
Why you making me repeat myself and making yourself look even more stupid?

If me and JJ dont fight, we are locked or whatever, so chill the f* out and realise a temp snap for the past 17 hours is not a powerblock.


Edit: And thank you Martin.

[Mateeen]

DA, stop mentioning the world powerblock in your posts. there is none. end of story.

Stop embarrasing yourself. please.

And thankyou martin, i think everyone needs to listen to Martin a bit more :P

[Martin]

DA, stop mentioning the world powerblock in your posts. there is none. end of story.

Stop embarrasing yourself. please.

And thankyou martin, i think everyone needs to listen to Martin a bit more :P

I've been saying that for years!

[Dark_Angel]

I'm chilled - I just feel the guys who took away the FFA element, were you and JJ, rather than me and Hero. Thats my opinion, you have your side of the coin, which is fine.

I was just looking forward to a FFA :/ And I feel that was robbed when you and JJ started to work together against RRR.

Yeah I'm a bit of a hypocrite for saying "I wanted a FFA" when I hit you with RRR last night, but that was provoked in you and JJ working together when RRR struck first (retals, joint attacks, etc).

[marvin]

You've really got to ask yourselves this. Had TBA not been formed last round. Had the powerblock not happened... would you be crying 'oh em gees, a n00bbl0ck!' now? Or would you simply see it as the usual sNAP tactics of two alliances jumping on, imo, a major threat early on in a new round? Of course Twigley was going to jump at the chance to retal RRR last night, it was free(ish) land as they had a sizeable amount attacking Enmity. Again had TBA not happened last round your opinion of what is going on would be different. Retalling happens all the time. It's a valid tactic. It has been done over and over by all leaders/alliance groups before and will be done again in this round (by any alliance) and future rounds to come.

Enmity haven't been told not to hit S2N. Although of course they woudln't now until Fail. and RRR are out of the picture and that's just plain common sense, right? Germany failed on the 2 sided war thingy, I think S2N and Enmity would too. Enmity don't have S2Ns ID's in their 'Not ID List'. There is nothing in Enmity's politics to suggest they are 'working with Twigley' throughout the round let alone now - And believe me, after last round, even JJ wouldn't be able to stop the majority of Inimical members in Enmity hitting Twigley. There is no joint room like last round (If anythings being organised it's between Twigley and JJ in PMsex). It would just be ****ing retarded to hit them now.

Pin, DA you know I love you both but seriously. Jumping straight on the powerblock card was wrong. It's not happening and I'll be damned if it does. I'd leave Enmity straight away as would a good few others I'd imagine/hope.

EDIT: PLEASE STOP BASHING MY BELOVED DA :(

[Dark_Angel]

I believels you marvin, lover <3

Fair enough.

[Davis]

DA can you *please* point out the last time a top alliance has not worked with another alliance *AT ALL* durring the entire round, a round where they never said hey you're getting hit, let up help you?

Its called politics its one of the major points of this game. Just because we saw one alliance get hit, and saw plans of us getting hit sent from the alliance that hit the other one.(that was a confusing sentence)

basically what i'm saying is. I cannot think of there ever being a "FFA" sure there are many rounds where the majority of the round is one, but there are always resistances (more than one ally) also there are always times when a FTW alliance sees a opening and takes it with the help of another alliance. Now you are moaning of a "Powerblock" grow up and stop whining, if you think 2 alliance attacking together against and alliance that was OBVIOUSLY working with another alliance, maybe not hitting together *yet* but definatly working together, then you are horribly mistaken and need to recollect your thoughts because that is complete and utter BS.



EDIT
i hadn't read the entire thread and see i for the most part repeated Marvin, so I agree with marvin :P

[Polo]

DA can you *please* point out the last time a top alliance has not worked with another alliance *AT ALL* durring the entire round, a round where they never said hey you're getting hit, let up help you?

I'm not DA, but:

r29: Exitlude (ok, we did get taken down, but still...)
r27: Hell
r26: Not an alliance but the Bunkers never asked for help and won the round
r23: SotB
r21: TRFC
possibly more but I cba to go back further.

Oh and all those allies had to deal with inc from multiple alliances at once.

[Davis]

DA can you *please* point out the last time a top alliance has not worked with another alliance *AT ALL* durring the entire round, a round where they never said hey you're getting hit, let up help you?

I'm not DA, but:

r29: Exitlude (ok, we did get taken down, but still...)
r27: Hell
r26: Not an alliance but the Bunkers never asked for help and won the round
r23: SotB
r21: TRFC
possibly more but I cba to go back further.

Oh and all those allies had to deal with inc from multiple alliances at once.

r26: Not an alliance but the Bunkers never asked for help and won the round <--- they were *solo* right? so 1. they were working with eachother which isn't solo. and me and others both agree
Erm, the bunkers teamed up with Jizz and Redempetion
2 days into the round

Hell- I cannot remember (but heard you're right)

[ 12:27:31 ] (Twigley) Exitlude - To get to the top we didnt, but we worked with BG to take down BYOB
Sotb- I was in that as you remember and i can garentee that we didn't work alone, not only did we work with DS (who was solo), also , we worked with Garret near the end of the round, and we worked with HisKrunkness with that whole "fake resistance" when he planned a hit on us but his ally didn't send so we owned the resistance? thats working together

and TRFC - Cannot remember but from what i've heard you're right.

[Polo]

DA can you *please* point out the last time a top alliance has not worked with another alliance *AT ALL* durring the entire round, a round where they never said hey you're getting hit, let up help you?

I'm not DA, but:

r29: Exitlude (ok, we did get taken down, but still...)
r27: Hell
r26: Not an alliance but the Bunkers never asked for help and won the round
r23: SotB
r21: TRFC
possibly more but I cba to go back further.

Oh and all those allies had to deal with inc from multiple alliances at once.

r26: Not an alliance but the Bunkers never asked for help and won the round <--- they were *solo* right? so 1. they were working with eachother which isn't solo. and me and others both agree
Erm, the bunkers teamed up with Jizz and Redempetion
2 days into the round

Hell- I cannot remember (but heard you're right)

[ 12:27:31 ] (Twigley) Exitlude - To get to the top we didnt, but we worked with BG to take down BYOB
Sotb- I was in that as you remember and i can garentee that we didn't work alone, not only did we work with DS (who was solo), also , we worked with Garret near the end of the round, and we worked with HisKrunkness with that whole "fake resistance" when he planned a hit on us but his ally didn't send so we owned the resistance? thats working together

and TRFC - Cannot remember but from what i've heard you're right.

Ofc the Bunkers worked together, that was the point. We were kind of a solo alliance. But we didn't attack with other alliances. If we saw inc on alliances we'd try to get land ofc, but that was it.

DS was IN SotB but his internet died so we replaced him then he spent the rest of the round buying Bikes and rushing Protest once his internet was fixed - hardly working with us. And Garrett joined SotB. I don't remember any sort of fake resistance? Was possible I was just not around at that time but I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. :P

Exitlude weren't the top ally then so it's slightly different. But I'm not denying we didn't attack BYOB with BG.

[MattM]

DS was IN SotB but his internet died so we replaced him then he spent the rest of the round buying Bikes and rushing Protest once his internet was fixed - hardly working with us. .

Ah, the glory days :(

Now Bushtarion consists of people bickering over whether people are working together or powerblocking or whatnot.

Shut the hell up and get on with the damn game, people.

[Martin]

DS was IN SotB but his internet died so we replaced him then he spent the rest of the round buying Bikes and rushing Protest once his internet was fixed - hardly working with us. .

Ah, the glory days :(

Now Bushtarion consists of people bickering over whether people are working together or powerblocking or whatnot.

Shut the hell up and get on with the damn game, people.


Sounds like the words of a powerblocker? *goes to get Garrett*

DISSENT!

[MattM]

I love you Martin

[Garrett]

*squawking and interference over the radio* ...mming... I repeat major incomming. No*zzhaozzzfpzpzzzz* ow, not only ... managed retals at...
we rushed so... pb's everywhere... PA's.... emps having 'em run

reinforcements... we need more... zzzt

------

This is one of the final communications from the front lines. One of our scout nests were destroyed. Only thing clear is that major losses have been taken on all sides. You have the chance to get involved now and turn the tide.

DISSENT! FREE YOURSELVES

[harriergirl]

:popcorn:

I am entertained...

[Dark_Angel]

The plot thickens :o

Twigley, S2N, using Franny to spy from within Fail.

No doubt both of them will try and make out Franny only left to join S2N because of the troublesome times Fail. has encountered lately. They'd be lying though:

1) I had an IDEA Franny was spying from the start. He wouldnt part with his contact details until I threatened to replace him. When everyone else had already done so.

2) Franny was the only one of us who wasnt raped numerous times by S2N/Enmity. His land remained for the best part the same before and after the incoming from S2N/Enmity.

3) Twigley already said he saw the plans to (possibly) hit S2N friday night. (On our politics board) I've now determined the leak to be Franny.

4) Franny left Fail and magically appeared in S2N, who made room for him.

-

This is just a warning, to everyone, basically - Twigley uses spies and Franny is prepared to spy.


I quite honestly don't mind. This is just further proof you guys are incapable of doing well without using every trick in the book to get ahead. May not be against the rules, but it sure does tarnish that Rank 1. (Which RRR have taken, as it happens, will be interesting to see if they can maintain it!)

My luck to RRR, for not using such deplorable tactics...

[f0xx]

So, Twigley uses spies? Tell us something we don't know :P

[DarkSider]

From a total neutral point of view i think there are no problems but actually even very expected the battle with 4 allies fighting for top to end in a 2v2 instead 1v1v1v1 since as it was said earlyer in the topic it's not a good tactical call to enter a war while other 2 hold back waiting for you 2 to be weak enough so they can walk over and steal the acres.
At most it can start as a 2v1 with an agreement to take the 4th after and then fight it out but again it's expected the other 2 to work together right away.
Who threw the first stone, who worked with who first it's irrelevant seeing as all alliances where at about same size and it should have been a balanced 2v2. It wasn't a fight for top in 3 where you might have some grounds for calling the other 2 allies cowards for taking your alliance out 2 vs 1(if you don't have a signifiant lead) but it was a very balanced size wise 2v2.
The only reason to moan about the current situation was the lack of troops/organization/activity/developements or whatever that made Fail. drop so fast and hard and the epic 2v2 turned into a quick massacre which isn't so enjoyable if you had other expectations.
It's probably premature to call any powerblock, sooner or later one of the top 2 will have an ace up their sleeves and decide to strike :p

[Garrett]

I threw the first stone :D just not from the 'fortress 4'. :P


well Ailihphilia and EF threw the first stone at twigley.

but this round feels more like other 'productive' rounds and definitely not like last round (yet)

[Davis]

3v2 r fairz f0 sh0 right?
phail.

[Twigley]

DA, franny was going to ask to join me the day before the alliance attacks as he wasn't enjoying it there.

Up to that point he didnt tell me anything - And i say that on my life.
-

He never gave me any plans etc he just told me we may be hit on that night by you guys, and my members continued to hit him when he was in Fail.

He just didnt like how you ran your ally :/

On a similar note:

I've already had 5 people in total from Fail / RRR ask to join my ally in the past 3 days.

[Hobbezak]

I've already had 5 people in total from Fail / RRR ask to join my ally in the past 3 days.

Can I join j00? :O

[f0xx]

I've already had 5 people in total from Fail / RRR ask to join my ally in the past 3 days.

Can I join j00? :O

Pick me, pick me!

[Dark_Angel]

DA, franny was going to ask to join me the day before the alliance attacks as he wasn't enjoying it there.

Up to that point he didnt tell me anything - And i say that on my life.
-

[06:56] <JJbrosandjl> first off
[06:56] <JJbrosandjl> franny was a spy since day 5 for twigs lol
[06:56] <JJbrosandjl> and second of all
[06:56] <JJbrosandjl> true say.


-

S2N, you may need to think about getting a new leader :o

[Twigley]

DA, franny was going to ask to join me the day before the alliance attacks as he wasn't enjoying it there.

Up to that point he didnt tell me anything - And i say that on my life.
-

[06:56] <JJbrosandjl> first off
[06:56] <JJbrosandjl> franny was a spy since day 5 for twigs lol
[06:56] <JJbrosandjl> and second of all
[06:56] <JJbrosandjl> true say.


-

S2N, you may need to think about getting a new leader :o

It was day 6/7.
Day 6/7 was before the hits.
And was when he told me about the possible hit.
Like i said.

Next?

[No-Dachi]

This thread is falling into the pit of supidity. Next thread please.

[tobapopalos]

I quite honestly don't mind. This is just further proof you guys are incapable of doing well without using every trick in the book to get ahead. May not be against the rules, but it sure does tarnish that Rank 1. (Which RRR have taken, as it happens, will be interesting to see if they can maintain it!)

And this is coming from the guy who was boasting about having inside intel from Ailihphilia just a few days ago. I think you should go see a doctor about your memory problems.

[Dark_Angel]

I quite honestly don't mind. This is just further proof you guys are incapable of doing well without using every trick in the book to get ahead. May not be against the rules, but it sure does tarnish that Rank 1. (Which RRR have taken, as it happens, will be interesting to see if they can maintain it!)

And this is coming from the guy who was boasting about having inside intel from Ailihphilia just a few days ago. I think you should go see a doctor about your memory problems.

Intel is one thing. Its information passed from a member inside, who isnt a spy, to a friend.

If you recall I pasted a conversation from MSN between a guy in Ail and one of my members. If a member of an alliance, not a spy, is silly enough to do this - shame on them?

A spy is purposefully planted in an alliance to gain information, activity levels at different times of the day, timezones, etc and so forth.

Don't confuse the two, tobapopalos.

[No-Dachi]

I agree there is a difference DA, but to me it seems that twigleys information came from "a friend that was silly enough to give out intel", and not a player planted there with the sole intention of spying.

[Dark_Angel]

I agree there is a difference DA, but to me it seems that twigleys information came from "a friend that was silly enough to give out intel", and not a player planted there with the sole intention of spying.

I feel differently. Though I guess I'll never know for sure ;)

[Elderveld]

I agree there is a difference DA, but to me it seems that twigleys information came from "a friend that was silly enough to give out intel", and not a player planted there with the sole intention of spying.

I feel differently. Though I guess I'll never know for sure ;)

Its just wat u want to belive, something to blame for actions u, wich u dont realy want to give the real reason for.

[DaN]

if he was that silly would he get him into the ally afterwards...

that would be saying twigs is the ultimate silly guy :p

[f0xx]

that would be saying twigs is the ultimate silly guy :p

Are you saying that he actually isn't? :o

[Twigley]

Just trying to play an online game here while bored ;P

[Davis]

"Requirements:

- Patience to deal with alliances that hold hands to get the win. - You're holding hands with 2 allies? Good thing you don't have more than 2 arms or you might hold hands with others.

- Patience to deal with alliances that use spies because if they don't they have to rely on knowledge/skill (oh noes) - Yeah you're the epitome of patience seeing as all i've seen you do is sit in here whine and complain for the last few days. very patient."


Fail. i think you might want to start looking for a new leader

[Franny]

Im here to face up to my accusations. As for been a spy since before ticks. BullShit. I can honestly swear that i tried my hardest for fail. and im pretty sure other members will agree with that, even if im not the most loved guy over there anymore.

I'd like to point out that by the definition spy i was one from about friday 21:30GMT.

Right so on Friday at about midday my time i thought i wanted to leave fail. I can't exactly say why as im not exactly sure (strange I know), but i felt i wanted to leave.

So to cut a long story short.

I admitt i told Twigley about the RRR and Fail. planning a hit on S2N on friday night.
We(Fail) hit S2N with what was mainly flak. S2N had mass PB and Guru online. During this hit what was mostly enmity covered all of us, more or less.
We failed at attacking, got raped on the retal, which tbf i think most of us could see happening anyway, i think from the moment we sent that attack we were going to die, all land no troops.
I was stuck in fail for a while, ill admitt to telling Lukey once to recall in pm, but he didnt believe me anyway and got killed anyway, nub.
But other than that. Never once did twigley recieve any information about where real/fake defence was.
I told you guys to fake me as i actually felt bad for leaving.
If i had any decent units i would have defended untill i left.

Apologies to all those in Fail. that put the effort in. Hope this doesnt change any opinions on me.

[NoobCake]

Ok, here it is....


I tend to stay out of forums but as I am leading and a lot of this stuff pertains to my alliance I thought I might say a few things...

There is no point in flaming either side, and I do not see a reason for 80% of the posts in this thread so please leave things to facts and reasonable posts to state what you think WITHOUT just flaming. We get it, half of you think the other half are idiots and that half thinks the other are idiots... whoopie!!

RRR had no intentions of working with anyone at any point in time...I should know, I am leading them and would have made that decision.

I received mails and PMs regarding complaints about S2N and Enmity attacking together in the beginning. They both had strong intel and that alone led them to the land and lead they gained. This aside, as another top alliance we could not help but believe the accusations since it was about Twigs and JJ, who did the very same thing last round so very shamefully...

Therefore we had to find a way to keep them apart...which led to one logical conclusion... Talking to DA and having them single out S2N while we attacked Enmity alone. Twigs can call this working together if he wants, but regardless it was nothing more than an attempt to break up the two that were so very close and had done everything together the round previous and seemingly the start of this round as well.

We did NOT attack with or plan to help each other at all on either side, but before after we made it clear that we wanted 1v1 on all sides we were retalled by S2N before we even had a chance to complete a send on Enmity. Obviously they were working together and had this agreement before hand, and if they say they did not they are lying. With 4 alliances so close and having the round in a position it could go to anyone there is no way they waited until we had sent to discuss working together and then planned a retal and had attacks on Fail planned... It just doesnt happen.

Bottom line was that Fail knew what S2N/Enmity had planned and were not ready to properly handle it. We had a good first attack on S2N after we knew they would protect Enmity, but Fail called off sending after 1 attack and tried to play defense. They were teching nicely but paid no attention units and the ability to keep their land in the beginning and therefore fell quite hard, quite fast. Since then we had been rushing and hurting Enmity and no have a full scale fight going 1v1 (atm).

RRR will fight to the death and do everything in our power to win on our own and fight our own battles, but I do know that pride can be a wicked thing... So if another alliance interferes and people want to start teaming up again then I am sure others will team up to fight back.

For everyone in the top 6 alliances sake I hope that leaders this round can stick to their guns and fight their own battles.

So everyone please stop flaming pointlessly...have a great round, and if you arent at war with another alliance... you should be so get on it!!!

Yours Truly,

Hero

[Twigley]

<xxx> Politics thread
<xxx> heros post
<Twigsteh> i saw
<xxx> biggest load of balls.
<xxx> 'Obviously they were working together and had this agreement before hand, and if they say they did not they are lying. With 4 alliances so close and having the round in a position it could go to anyone there is no way they waited until we had sent to discuss working together and then planned a retal and had attacks on Fail planned... It just doesnt happen.'
<xxx> what the ****.
<xxx> please
<xxx> make me jizz in my pants.
<Twigsteh> No need, i jizzed when i saw him make an idiot of himself writing that sentance.
<xxx> :(
<xxx> but he needs to be corrected
<xxx> epicly
<Twigsteh> He just played the powerblock card. Let him read Martins posts, he and others have already been corrected.

[marvin]

There is no point in flaming either side, and I do not see a reason for 80% of the posts in this thread so please leave things to facts and reasonable posts to state what you think WITHOUT just flaming. We get it, half of you think the other half are idiots and that half thinks the other are idiots... whoopie!!

Not flaming but, and this is just imo, you need to take your own advice.

We did NOT attack with or plan to help each other at all on either side, but before after we made it clear that we wanted 1v1 on all sides we were retalled by S2N before we even had a chance to complete a send on Enmity. Obviously they were working together and had this agreement before hand, and if they say they did not they are lying. With 4 alliances so close and having the round in a position it could go to anyone there is no way they waited until we had sent to discuss working together and then planned a retal and had attacks on Fail planned... It just doesnt happen.

Utter bollocks. Last round was last round. I wish people would stop using the powerblock card over and over again (inb4 'shouldn't of power-blocked then' card). Enmity never worked with Twigley before Friday. And even then it was a simple PM from JJ to Twigley asking him to retal Fail or RRR or whoever. It's not that hard to organise one when Twigley's alliance is as active as it is. There was no ****ing agreement like last round. All you hater's please get it through your thick heads. Christ.

RRR will fight to the death and do everything in our power to win on our own and fight our own battles, but I do know that pride can be a wicked thing... So if another alliance interferes and people want to start teaming up again then I am sure others will team up to fight back.

It's called a 'Resistance'. See you soon! :D

[harriergirl]

maybe we are just all tired of watching twigs and jj crawl up each others butts no matter when/how/why?

[NoobCake]

Well I was not and I am still not playing the "powerblock" card. I simply explained my thinking about the situation. By bringing up last round I was pointing at that leading to my assumption that there would be a degree of understanding between Twigley and JJ. JJ knew that he could count on Twigley to retal for him...this was not a bad thing nor something I complained about...

You guys are clearly trying to find reasons to pick at or argue with people, which is why i usually stay away from forums because it is mostly garbage.

I did not flame anyone in my post, claim a powerblock was happening (they were not big enough to be blocking in any case), or claim that they had an ironclad agreement before round.

I pointed out that the two leaders were friends and were able to count on each other previously, so the other leaders/alliances at the top would assume that when push came to shove that they would pair up. Had twigley and JJ not been friends and/or worked together previously ( im not just saying last round, they have played closely together before in alliances or working with each other at some point...which a lot have so again im not complaining or flaming so keep your pants on) I do not think that a simple PM request would have had an alliance go all out vs an opponent of another alliance. USUALLY things things are planned out or talked about and terms are made as people dont fully trust others (as they shouldnt, its a war game).

That being said... I was clearly stating that their relationship and ties left a trust that made the other someone they could count on in this type of situation. An agreement between friends and knowing you can count on them is something that happens and has appeared to have happened this round is all.


I did not and do not believe a powerblock was being formed, nor did I purposefully flame anyone....

Hero

[Garrett]

back to the real fighting!!

SEE WHAT JUST 1 PERSON CAN DO VS PA?!

Died: 3,762,500 [£188,125,000,000] enemies dead. 750,975 [£24,948,738,000] friendlies dead.


It's quite simple to do! Band together brothers and sisters! Fight Fight Fight!

[Davis]

well i was not and i am still not playing the "powerblock" card. I simply explained my thinking about the situation. By bringing up last round i was pointing at that leading to my assumption that there would be a degree of understanding between twigley and jj. Jj knew that he could count on twigley to retal for him...this was not a bad thing nor something i complained about...

Hero

there is no point in flaming either side, and i do not see a reason for 80% of the posts in this thread so please leave things to facts and reasonable posts to state what you think without just flaming. We get it, half of you think the other half are idiots and that half thinks the other are idiots... Whoopie!!

heritic!

[Martin]

Well I was not and I am still not playing the "powerblock" card. I simply explained my thinking about the situation. By bringing up last round I was pointing at that leading to my assumption that there would be a degree of understanding between Twigley and JJ. JJ knew that he could count on Twigley to retal for him...this was not a bad thing nor something I complained about...

You guys are clearly trying to find reasons to pick at or argue with people, which is why i usually stay away from forums because it is mostly garbage.

I did not flame anyone in my post, claim a powerblock was happening (they were not big enough to be blocking in any case), or claim that they had an ironclad agreement before round.

I pointed out that the two leaders were friends and were able to count on each other previously, so the other leaders/alliances at the top would assume that when push came to shove that they would pair up. Had twigley and JJ not been friends and/or worked together previously ( im not just saying last round, they have played closely together before in alliances or working with each other at some point...which a lot have so again im not complaining or flaming so keep your pants on) I do not think that a simple PM request would have had an alliance go all out vs an opponent of another alliance. USUALLY things things are planned out or talked about and terms are made as people dont fully trust others (as they shouldnt, its a war game).

That being said... I was clearly stating that their relationship and ties left a trust that made the other someone they could count on in this type of situation. An agreement between friends and knowing you can count on them is something that happens and has appeared to have happened this round is all.


I did not and do not believe a powerblock was being formed, nor did I purposefully flame anyone....

Hero


The enemy of my enemy is a friend? ;)

[Podunk]

Regarding Hero's first post:I think it is perfectly valid to believe that Enmity and S2N were working together. The basis that for one there were no spies out on the time and most of the player base has become quite skeptical of what any of the ex-TBA members do or say.

I thought exactly the same thing as the rest of the TBA skeptics, for the following reasons:
1. How often do you have 18 different ID's hitting your alliance at 5AM GMT unless it's multiple alliances?
2. They have worked together in the past, and by past I mean within the past 3 months. What would stop them from doing it again to reduce competition for rank one?
3. Teaming up and taking out RRR and Fail makes perfect sense, then battling it out for the rank one slot when the common enemies have been eliminated.

As Martin mentioned in his first post on this topic it was purely skepticism and fear that made RRR/Fail seek help from each other if S2N and Enmity were in fact working together.

However now it is clear to me now that all of the FTW alliances this round will battle it out to the end and battle for the name of their alliance and their alliance only. Let the best alliance win.

[f0xx]

<xxx> Politics thread
<xxx> heros post
<Twigsteh> i saw
<xxx> biggest load of balls.
<xxx> 'Obviously they were working together and had this agreement before hand, and if they say they did not they are lying. With 4 alliances so close and having the round in a position it could go to anyone there is no way they waited until we had sent to discuss working together and then planned a retal and had attacks on Fail planned... It just doesnt happen.'
<xxx> what the ****.
<xxx> please
<xxx> make me jizz in my pants.
<Twigsteh> No need, i jizzed when i saw him make an idiot of himself writing that sentance.
<xxx> :(
<xxx> but he needs to be corrected
<xxx> epicly
<Twigsteh> He just played the powerblock card. Let him read Martins posts, he and others have already been corrected.

Twigs, what you don't seem to understand is that your words worth next to nothing in most people's minds.

Last round you were explaining how TBA is not a powerblock. How you don't share the same channel and so on.

This round we are seeing the same. My alliance has been attacked by yours and JJ at the same time in an organised manner. You even said you've seen screenshots of it. Even IF it is a coincidence, how can you guarantee it in a way that people can believe you? You can't, you just can't.

After last round, in people's minds, when they see incomings from your ally and JJ's ally at the same time, it can mean only one thing. I don't say it actually is true, but you know what they say - "Perception is reality" and you are doing nothing else but talk to prove us wrong.

[Garrett]

you know what's next to nothing this round?

total bots killed so far this round:
Psychopathic Android 16,225,177


oops. :D

I'm almost pro. I keep studying hard.

[Enrico]

There is only one useful version of fail: Epic Fail!

Now with that out of the way; Twigs logic is broken (What else is new).

When RRR asked F. to hit S2N since RRR wanted a 1vs1 wit Enmity, S2N should have attacked F. as a preemptive strike, rather than attack RRR. Thus the two likely winners of the two duels could duke it out in the end.

In my mind S2N didn't hit RRR of any other reason than that S2N is well aware that in a 1vs1 battle vs RRR they would most likely have lost. (RRR would have raped Enmity senseless if left on their own, and F. is not much more than a speedbump for the bigger alliances.)

But I agree with Garrett. And to paraphrase V: "A playerbase should not fear the rank 1 alliance, the rank 1 alliance should fear the playerbase" Revolution! It will be Epic!

:)