Do "Wings" ruin gameplay? | R30

[Dark_Angel]

[edit by DA 28th/2]

My suggestion has now been retracted as people have just used this thread as another means of having a go at the current powerblock. I should have seen that coming tbh.

This is now a just a poll, as per the question above. (Moved to Discussions for this reason)

[Martin]

Well if I am playing next round, I know what group I will be playing with. I/we are very much against any wings. If we have to face any wings we would temp NAP (I guess) to hit the wings early and break the sNAP between us and the other alliance(s) as soon as possible.

Two wrongs do not make a right and it's something I wouldn't do unless facing 3 alliances again (as facing 2 alliances vs our one is just a nice challenge ;))


*signs no wings pact*

[Dark_Angel]

What might be worth doing, is sticking the "NWP" in Politics, just to make it a bit more solid/formal.

Something along the lines of

Thread name:
No Wings Pact: Round 31

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We the undersigned, hereby promise not to create or involve ourselves in - any form of winged-alliance organisation.

(and so forth)

If I break this pact I will be slated for eternity by my peers, and rightfully so (:P)

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Or something.

[Martin]

tbh, it's only you guys who had the problem of fighting alone, BW justified it by only doing it because you did. (I think he likes having wings anyway). But I doubt he would do it if there were no others wings.


So you sort it amongst yourselves, I think by now you have realised our opinion on it.

[Dark_Angel]

tbh, it's only you guys who had the problem of fighting alone, BW justified it by only doing it because you did. (I think he likes having wings anyway). But I doubt he would do it if there were no others wings.


So you sort it amongst yourselves, I think by now you have realised our opinion on it.

I can't honestly see no wings being made next round, without some kind of agreement not to.

There are going to be winged alliances of at least two. Given that people will be scared others are doing that, and will want something in place.

Thats just IMO.

[IceOfFire]

The group i'm with next round (if i don't quit for a while) wouldn't do a power block.

If they did, i would find another alliance. End of

[BlackWolf]

tbh, it's only you guys who had the problem of fighting alone, BW justified it by only doing it because you did. (I think he likes having wings anyway). But I doubt he would do it if there were no others wings.


So you sort it amongst yourselves, I think by now you have realised our opinion on it.
Yes I like to have wings... It is fun to see a lot of people on IRC channel talking crap. (actual gaming side is much less important for me) But I wouldnt have done it this round without Twigs doing it, as this game simply lacks the playerbase for wings, bigger alliances etc. So I will sign this pact.

[Martin]

tbh, it's only you guys who had the problem of fighting alone, BW justified it by only doing it because you did. (I think he likes having wings anyway). But I doubt he would do it if there were no others wings.


So you sort it amongst yourselves, I think by now you have realised our opinion on it.

I can't honestly see no wings being made next round, without some kind of agreement not to.

There are going to be winged alliances of at least two. Given that people will be scared others are doing that, and will want something in place.

Thats just IMO.

With the **** and abuse you lot are getting?

IoF, Ogluk, Me/Polo, BW (probably) wouldn't do it. I don't see any other *power* other than yourself who could pull it off. If you don't powerblock, we won't team up early and kill you. Simple.

[Dark_Angel]

Still Martin, I'd be a bit peeved if I commited to *not* involving myself in a powerblock next round, then a prominent leader, or indeed a complete randomer, powerblocks' up' and the same thing happens again.

(Because I admit it sucks to be constantly bashed, everyone knows that, and for this round I'm on the bashing side. But if I decide I wanna stick to single alliance next round, after all the crap TBA have taken this round - and someone makes a powerblock, it'll prove that you might as well try and get yourself into a big, organised alliance - because if you don't someone else will and you'll just get owned all round.

[BlackWolf]

Thats why these kind of things should be added directly to EULA and then kick the crap out of everyone who breaks it :D

[Martin]

Ironically you seem to be the one most scared of it happening again, get over yourself you wuss!!

[IceOfFire]

End of the day, if you join a single alliance next round and someone forms another powerblock (which i cant see happening unless TBA do it again) and your alliance gets bashed ridiculously...You kind of only have yourself to blame.

The whole point of this thread is because your scared that someone will do it next round, as you can see peronally they are bad and stagnating the game. Your worried about what wings are going to do to the game. Maybe its too late to worry about it now, because you guys have already caused a knock on affect.

Lets be honest this round was going to be awesome, for the first time in ROUNDS we had more than 3 FTW alliances and you guys messed it right up! I would be surprised if we get that many FTW alliances again for a while.

[Dark_Angel]

I'm not scared, lol.

I'll be in a FTW alliance next round regardless.

I'm just saying, there's going to be a lot of people at the end of this round thinking "Hmm, let's do what TBA did"

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And that kind of thinking is going to leave us in the same place next round as we're in now.

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I'm not scared of a powerblock I'm not involved in, I'm just recognizing that a lot of people don't like blocks and am trying to think of a way to erase them.

[IceOfFire]

You've made your bed so sleep in it. - If it happens you have yourselves to blame

If it happens, i hope you don't gripe and moan about it!

[Dark_Angel]

You've made your bed so sleep in it. - If it happens you have yourselves to blame

If it happens, i hope you don't gripe and moan about it!

By that reasoning BW is responsible for the current powerblock (because he's had them in the past)?

Thats a piss poor argument tbh, I for one won't be held accountable for future powerblocks :/

[No-Dachi]

That was surely not the point DA. I think he meant that if you get bashed by powerblocks next round you have deserved it. Just as ViruS deserved the bashing we received r10.

[IceOfFire]

Bingo No-Dachi

[Mattheus]

You're making an issue where there isn't one.
Contrary to some of the bellyaching, power blocks of this sort are actually quite a rarity. I can think of 3-4 rounds max where it's happened in the last 5 years. I'm afraid most people realise it's a pretty shitty thing to do and don't do it. It never needed an official agreement in the rounds before, don't see why one is needed now. Hell maybe I'm over optimistic but I'd like to think it's going to remain a rarity.

[Dark_Angel]

You're making an issue where there isn't one.


Again.

All I'm saying is that there is now a decent possibility a number of people will arrange wings next round.

If there isn't fair enough, but as it stands I can see it happening.

[Steve_God]

I won't be involved in creating one next round, as I won't be leading next round (don't have the time next round for the leadership stuff).


If it happens, i hope you don't gripe and moan about it!
If it happens, I know what's needed to advice whoever my leader will be to take one down ;)

[Polo]

If people want to wing and lose any respect the playerbase has for them, that's fine by me.

I don't really understand what the fuss is all about unless the people who're whining are so upset that TBA has prevented them from winning - in which case, they're "rank queens".

[Garrett]

this thread is so noble it hurts.

against this suggestion. so many other things to do.

this powerblock could have been torn apart early, but everyone wussed out.

[Dark_Angel]

this powerblock could have been torn apart early, but everyone wussed out.

Lol.

There were times when, notably S_G were very susceptible to attack - but nobody came.

[Garrett]

this powerblock could have been torn apart early, but everyone wussed out.

Lol.

There were times when, notably S_G were very susceptible to attack - but nobody came.

I *know* I jumped up and down and around trying to get us to attack. No one cba, so I deleted as I cba to just sit around and do nothing. While 'elite' players go to figuring out what their goals are while expecting me to stay up all night to prank and protect them and screw my goals for the round.

[Cyrus]

tbh, it's only you guys who had the problem of fighting alone, BW justified it by only doing it because you did. (I think he likes having wings anyway). But I doubt he would do it if there were no others wings.


So you sort it amongst yourselves, I think by now you have realised our opinion on it.

I can't honestly see no wings being made next round, without some kind of agreement not to.

There are going to be winged alliances of at least two. Given that people will be scared others are doing that, and will want something in place.

Thats just IMO.

With the **** and abuse you lot are getting?

IoF, Ogluk, Me/Polo, BW (probably) wouldn't do it. I don't see any other *power* other than yourself who could pull it off. If you don't powerblock, we won't team up early and kill you. Simple.

im powerblocking so my members can get the first win, thats okay....right?

[f0xx]

That "pact" pretty much looks like a "please promise you won't rape us much next round".

[Twigley]

Indeed it does.

[WildDisease]

That "pact" pretty much looks like a "please promise you won't rape us much next round".

Or pretty much looks like a:
"I will try skill to win without 59 other people"

[Matthew]

Not signing. I'm having three alliances next round.

[Illumination]

I think that if the author thinks that wings/power blocks hurt the game, then he is a hypocrite for finishing the round in one. If you think they are wrong...leave, but dont act all righteous. If its wrong and you know it, why wait to fix it?

[Alcibiades]

I'm just saying, there's going to be a lot of people at the end of this round thinking "Hmm, let's do what TBA did"


You're evidently not reading what people are writing.

The only other groups capable of getting enough people together to form a powerblock, won't be doing it.
; as attested by their actions this round, and their statements her. Therefore by a rather logical process of elimination it is the group you are involved with this round that are the only likely people to form another powerblock. That's the point people are trying to get across.

So all we need from your group frankly, is a signature stating you won't be doing another powerblock. No one else is or was going to. Period.

If you don't want powerblocks don't make one. You're the only likely culprits here.... A formal statement is just pointless.

Illumination is bang on as well

I think that if the author thinks that wings/power blocks hurt the game, then he is a hypocrite for finishing the round in one. If you think they are wrong...leave, but dont act all righteous. If its wrong and you know it, why wait to fix it?

[ViVi]

I will agree to not joining a wing.

You lot will probably need one, though, given how much resentment you've brought down on yourselves.

[Dark_Angel]

I think that if the author thinks that wings/power blocks hurt the game, then he is a hypocrite for finishing the round in one. If you think they are wrong...leave, but dont act all righteous. If its wrong and you know it, why wait to fix it?


Illumination is bang on as well

This post is entirely objective, and has nothing to do with my view of powerblocks. I, personally, see nothing wrong with them - but as I said in my first post, I have noticed a lot of people who do not like powerblocks and think they ruin the game.

Hence the suggestion.

I should have known people would just use this thread to call my a hypocrite, automatically assuming that I'm against powerblocks just because I made the thread.

I'm not against powerblocks, people play this game to win - and quite often don't care if that means everyone having a go at them. But I recognize that this ruins the game for everyone else, as has became blatantly obvious over the past few days on these forums. So all I'm saying is, fine, if people don't like them, lets all agree not to make them/join them?

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I should also have seen it coming that people were going to jump on the "Hate TBA" bandwagon n say:



"Ha, we don't need to sign this, only TBA need to sign this , because they are the ONLY people who might possibly consider doing a powerblock come round 31."

You're evidently not reading what people are writing.

Not signing. I'm having three alliances next round.

Alci, are you?.

[Cyrus]

personally. im sick of seeing people who are suppose to be representing the game say "im not bothered about you or the rest of the playerbase" because that attitude stinks and isnt needed anywhere in this game. even most regular players have enough respect to know that when you take 10% of the game and make 1 group that its gonna have a massive effect therefore wouldnt par-take in it.

[Dark_Angel]

personally. im sick of seeing people who are suppose to be representing the game say "im not bothered about you or the rest of the playerbase" because that attitude stinks and isnt needed anywhere in this game. even most regular players have enough respect to know that when you take 10% of the game and make 1 group that its gonna have a massive effect therefore wouldnt par-take in it.

*confused*

Are you implying I have that attitude :S?

[Dennis]

Even though I'm in TBA, I voted for none! :)

(Never realised that this had such an impact :( Im such a naive person)

[Cyrus]

personally. im sick of seeing people who are suppose to be representing the game say "im not bothered about you or the rest of the playerbase" because that attitude stinks and isnt needed anywhere in this game. even most regular players have enough respect to know that when you take 10% of the game and make 1 group that its gonna have a massive effect therefore wouldnt par-take in it.

*confused*

Are you implying I have that attitude :S?

im implying the words, "i dont care about the game" or "i dont care about anyone who plays it" are actually sad to see, what happened to everybody?

[No-Dachi]

DA, did you just take Matthews post seriously? I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic..

[Dark_Angel]

DA, did you just take Matthews post seriously? I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic..

What are you basing that on? The "tone" of his post :P?

Anyway, he may well be being sarcastic. Doesn't matter.

This is my last post on this thread. Evidently it isn't possible for people to see me as anything but a member of TBA, and for that reason I can't say anything without people replying with a "we hate TBA" attitude.

Not all that mature, given my post is very clearly objective. You'd think I was leading TBA and had the power to break the sNaps in place :/

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Anywho - bottom line, people have made it clear "we don't need such an agreement". I'll only be returning to this thread if we have a powerblock next round ;)

[Cyrus]

again im yet to see why your still with them when you clearly disagree with powerblocks yourself. any person can make a difference by acting, however small, but lots of small differences make 1 big difference. so if you dont agree with it, leave and join one of the allis below.

Respect + Morals are 2 things which you should always wanna keep good in this game

"So many times, it happens too fast
You change your passion for glory
Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past
You must fight just to keep them alive"

[Dark_Angel]

again im yet to see why your still with them when you clearly disagree with powerblocks yourself.

This post is entirely objective, and has nothing to do with my view of powerblocks. I, personally, see nothing wrong with them - but as I said in my first post, I have noticed a lot of people who do not like powerblocks and think they ruin the game.

I don't see anything wrong with powerblocks. People put a great deal of time and energy into this game, if someone wants to spend some of that time and energy into organising, pre-round, a winged alliance, I can't see any wrong in doing that.

That said, as I've already mentioned, if a high percentage of the playerbase voices an opinion that powerblocks are bad for gameplay - then by all means, stop them happening.

Thats what this thread was supposed to be about.

I know I said my prior post was my last, this one really is :P

[Cyrus]

how can we stop something we arent part of and your breaking no rules, you make no sense....

[Changer]

He means if there is a high enough percentage of the playerbase that do not want wings to be allowed, then to change the rules to accommodate this into next round.

[Dark_Angel]

how can we stop something we arent part of and your breaking no rules, you make no sense....

A "No Wings Pact" ?

You're just trying to get me to post now :P

[f0xx]

This is my last post on this thread. Evidently it isn't possible for people to see me as anything but a member of TBA, and for that reason I can't say anything without people replying with a "we hate TBA" attitude.

Not all that mature, given my post is very clearly objective. You'd think I was leading TBA and had the power to break the sNaps in place :/


Alright, I will start a bit far with my response to the part of your post I quoted.

Question: What is the biggest powerblock that has ever existed in bushtarion?

Iirc, that was BW's powerblock with 4 alliances. If you compare then to now though, you will notice that this is not true, because at that time, there were ANAPs, and one group was usually made out of 2 alliances. So basicly, BWs powerblock was 2 times bigger than any other group that didn't have wings. Now if you look at TBA, you will notice that it is 3 times bigger than any other group that doesn't have additional wings.

Not only that, but at the time when BW had his 4 alliances, the playerbase then was quite big - 2-3 thousand active players. So a powerblock of 80 players at the background of 2000 thousand active ones when a group is usually made out of 40 players, is not THAT bad. But when you have a group of 60 at the background of 600 total active players and when a group is made of 20, then you know that this is REALLY pathetic. I will just make one last comparison with BW's powerblock in the past and say that if he was to have as many members (percentage wise) back then as TBA have now, he would have had a powerblock of 10 alliances!

TBA is the biggest powerblock in bushtarion history. And that is a fact.

And when you say this - "Evidently it isn't possible for people to see me as anything but a member of TBA, and for that reason I can't say anything without people replying with a "we hate TBA" attitude.", I will say that you should have seen it coming, because when a current member of the biggest powerblock in bushtarion history comes and asks for other players to sign an agreement that noone will create/join powerblock next round, that is absolutely hilarious.

"You'd think I was leading TBA and had the power to break the sNaps in place :/" - This is another absolutely hilarious statement, because with this you descretely leave the impression in others that if you had the power to break the snap you would have done it, which is a clear attempt at manipulation, because if you my friend were against this powerblock (and you said multiple times you aren't) you would have simply left it.

Now please DA, go back to your 59 mates so you guys can keep bragging at each other how good you guys are ;)

[Alcibiades]

And as far as Chewie and 3 wings go..... that barely requires explanation for those of us with grey matter that gets used on a (semi) regular basis.

[11:38:51] <Chewie|work> nah im not even leading

[Dark_Angel]

And when you say this - "Evidently it isn't possible for people to see me as anything but a member of TBA, and for that reason I can't say anything without people replying with a "we hate TBA" attitude.", I will say that you should have seen it coming, because when a current member of the biggest powerblock in bushtarion history comes and asks for other players to sign an agreement that noone will create/join powerblock next round, that is absolutely hilarious.

Before round 30, I haven't played bush for well over a year. How was I to know if powerblocks were commonplace now, or what?

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Fine, w/e - everyones outraged by a powerblock this round but rather than take constructive actions to prevent any more this round, people would rather sit at their computers and think up ways to have a go at the one guy standing up and saying "Yeah ok, fair enough - Powerblocks aren't welcome, lets see to it that in future rounds it doesnt happen again".

I'm not talking about this round Yes I'm a member of TBA and TBA have won, get over it.

I'm talking about next round, and whether people want to to look into preventative measures to ensure these, clearly widely condemned powerblocks, don't happen again.

Alci, f0xx, whoever else, what part of that is so difficult to understand?

Two more people to add to the list of individuals who've sought to jump on the "Hate TBA" bandwagon by making out Steve_God/Twigley/JJ are the only people who'd think about making a powerblock next round.

"Lol"

[Cyrus]

DA here's an example of what this thread is:

dictator - we pillage your land, kill your children and have our way with your wife

civilian - this is outrageous your scaring everyone out of your own country

dictator - okay well after this wars over, shall we all agre not to do this again

dictator - because lets face it i wouldnt want my land stole by a dictator and my kids killed

civillian - good point, you have logic mr dictator!

[Alcibiades]

Damn, I find myself agreeing with Cyrus more and more these days. Well said, sir.

DA: If people intend to make a powerblock next round, they will do so regardless of a petty signature on forums for a stupid, pointless, self aggrandizing 'pact'. *If* i was going to make a PB next round, i'd get my fellow leaders to sign the agreement, swear innocence, then rape and pillage. Unless this 'pact' ends up as an official rule (which Azzer seems against) then it's just another pointlessly spammy post imo.

[Rosa]

You made this thread because you don't care about powerblocks and it seems that other people do? What kind of logic is that? o_O

No wonder there are so many staff hate threads if this is the level of staff that run the game...

Thank god I barely play this game

[Dark_Angel]

You made this thread because you don't care about powerblocks and it seems that other people do? What kind of logic is that? o_O

No wonder there are so many staff hate threads if this is the level of staff that run the game...

Thank god I barely play this game

Yeah, its called "the greater good"

Just because I think something is fine, doesn't mean I'm right to think that.

If the rest of the playerbase thinks Powerblocks suck, then I'm more than happy to help think of measures to stop them.

As for this thread reflecting, in any small way, my ability to moderate these forums/IRC, I can't really see your reasoning there o.0? Since when does someone's opinion of how gameplay should work impact on their modding?

[DarkSider]

The problem DA is that you are part of TBA, this suggestion or others on same subject should have come from an outsider. As Cyrus well said you can't say i agree stealing is bad, but we will do it until this year ends and then we need to make laws to prevent stealing. Afterall if we stop stealing we don't want to be thieved in future.

If you want to make this move against powerblocks as a TBA member, you need solutions that apply right now to have credibility.

[Dark_Angel]

The problem DA is that you are part of TBA, this suggestion or others on same subject should have come from an outsider. As Cyrus well said you can't say i agree stealing is bad, but we will do it until this year ends and then we need to make laws to prevent stealing. Afterall if we stop stealing we don't want to be thieved in future.

If you want to make this move against powerblocks as a TBA member, you need solutions that apply right now to have credibility.

Thank you DS, for giving me constructive criticism rather than just saying "You suck DA" :P Like a fair number of the narrowminded individuals on this thread you've just jumped on the chance to have a go at me and moan about the current powerblock :/

I understand that *completely* now; which is why I've retracted this suggestion.

[f0xx]

DA, can you please show me the difference between DarkSpider's post and mine?

We both said basicly the same things with different words, yet you separate him from us, the "narrowminded individuals".

Atleast now, after 4 pages, you know why this suggestion sounded so hilarious coming from your mouth.

[Dark_Angel]

DA, can you please show me the difference between DarkSpider's post and mine?

We both said basicly the same things with different words, yet you separate him from us, the "narrowminded individuals".

Atleast now, after 4 pages, you know why this suggestion sounded so hilarious coming from your mouth.

Darksider didn't mention TBA a total of 6 times in their response. This thread isn't about TBA, its about powerblocks in generally. In fact, its not even about powerblocks generally, its about the possibility of powerblocks next round.

But, as I should have realised when writing this suggestion(which is now just a discussion), people were always going to just ignore the above and use this thread as yet another outlet for their anti-tba related crap.

Hence why the suggestion is no more, and why I will be laughing really really hard if there's another powerblock next round :D

[f0xx]

I was mentioning it that often only because you kept mentioning it in your original post which I was quoting. Besides I was using TBA as a mere example, you kept taking my words personally though, like you feel guilty for something... *shrugs*

Do you really think I care who and how wins? No I don't.

What I care about is people like you who would take part in such powerblocks and then try to make a good name of yourself with such a silly suggestion. It is exactly people like YOU who make such powerblocks reality, atleast some are not such hypocrits.

You keep mentioning how people whine about TBA... what did you expect? Everyone to congratulate you guys for your well played round? For your brilliance in attacking? For your incredible offensie and defensive skills? For all the "uphill" battles which you won not because of numbers but because of skill? When you do something that deserves congratulations, I shall be the first to come here and give them to you. Untill that time comes though, I shall be the one that keeps remind you how you guys "won".

If only you could see yourself from a different point of view, only then you would be able to realise how silly you look.

[Dark_Angel]

Fed up trying to get through to people like you f0xx, you're horribly bitter because you've lost and you're therefore looking for somewhere to place the blame.

For the third and last time, this post was entirely objective and from the perspective of a member of the bushtarion community - not TBA.

If you don't get that, well, I'm sorry :roll:

Might I add that this thread is no longer a suggestion. It's a poll and discussion about whether or not powerblocks ruin the game.

[Cyrus]

DA shush, its not over till the fat lady sings.

im not bitter because i know with abit of effort from our 3 allis we could even it out abit, its jsut finding people interested.

[Dark_Angel]

DA shush, its not over till the fat lady sings.

im not bitter because i know with abit of effort from our 3 allis we could even it out abit, its jsut finding people interested.

The fat lady sung a fair while ago :P

[Cyrus]

No i think afew fat heads sang a while a go.

[rooney]

I'm not talking about this round Yes I'm a member of TBA and TBA have won, get over it.




i wouldnt be so sure. only 2 weeks in, and your already this confident? interesting...

[Dark_Angel]

I'm basing that argument on the fact that there isn't so much as a purr coming from a "resistance".

Everyone's too busy putting effort into their "Hate TBA" posts to have enough energy left for planning an attack on them ;) :P

[Alcibiades]

I'm basing that argument on the fact that there isn't so much as a purr coming from a "resistance".

Everyone's too busy putting effort into their "Hate TBA" posts to have enough energy left for planning an attack on them ;) :P

Well if the powerblock will unravel itself, we can just afford to wait it out, and smash the remaining pieces. Surely giving you 3 a united target to hit at this point would temporarily strengthen you to our detriment. Sure it could go both ways, but there's no need to egg us on when you guys are perfectly capable of imploding all on your own.

[Dark_Angel]

when you guys are perfectly capable of imploding all on your own.

Will prolly happen tbh :P

[atsanjose]

have you ever seen a bird or plane with Three wings?


no


you cant fly with 3 wings that's where your problem is.

[Steve_God]

have you ever seen a bird or plane with Three wings?

no

you cant fly with 3 wings that's where your problem is.
You can! ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triplane

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/fokker-dr-i-triplane-2.jpg

Fail :P

[pinpower]

have you ever seen a bird or plane with Three wings?

no

you cant fly with 3 wings that's where your problem is.
You can! ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triplane

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/fokker-dr-i-triplane-2.jpg

Fail :P


Owned

[timtadams]

lol, pawned be Steve_God

[Polo]

have you ever seen a bird or plane with Three wings?

no

you cant fly with 3 wings that's where your problem is.
You can! ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triplane

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/fokker-dr-i-triplane-2.jpg

Fail :P

A triplane has 3 sets of wings. Not just 3 wings. A set of wings is 2 wings. Thus, a triplane has 6 wings.

[timtadams]

just go and rain on everones parade why dont you :P

edit: anyway, in place of atsanjoses analogy you can fly with 6 wings

Twigles, you need more wings!!!

[pinpower]

Yes, which is why we shall be expanding soon. For information please visit
http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1921

;)