Union 30B - Bushtarion on Strike! | R30

[WildDisease]

:D

As union leader,
I propose everyone playing Bushtarion step off the game till action is taken!

If we step off from growing in the range of the power block that is TBA, or merely even playing, the power block will soon realize the meaninglessness to their power block and remind them that only 25 can make it to portal!

Neither of them can grow until one of us gets into range.
But that will never happen if we don't grow :)

Let's face it. They need us to play.
Without us, it's just them and there is no game.

We will not settle for a power block. Or their power thirst. Or their 400 babies >:(

:O

[pinpower]

Lol, this will never happen...

[Changer]

:D


If we step off from growing in the range of the power block that is TBA, or merely even playing, the power block will soon realize the meaninglessness to their power block and remind them that only 25 can make it to portal!



:O

Ill double check, but im sure with age 5 the top 100 now portal again.



Edit

* Portal now stores top 100 players in score, top 10 effectiveness players, and top 10 bounty hunters. The top 15 alliances (of 5+ members) in score are stored.

[WildDisease]

:D


If we step off from growing in the range of the power block that is TBA, or merely even playing, the power block will soon realize the meaninglessness to their power block and remind them that only 25 can make it to portal!



:O

Ill double check, but im sure with age 5 the top 100 now portal again.



Edit

* Portal now stores top 100 players in score, top 10 effectiveness players, and top 10 bounty hunters. The top 15 alliances (of 5+ members) in score are stored.


You know if Azzer were to change this back to top 25,
I'm sure that would stir some tension for those in power blocks..

[Alcibiades]

Much as i'd love to walk out on this game, I don't see enough players agreeing to make this a reality. If you want to make a difference, get some people together to kill your enemies. Fairly simple really....

[Azzer]

Who are you punishing the most here, myself, or the alliances you refuse to compete against? It would punish me the most. And I don't think I've done anything to deserve it.

[n0c0ntr0l]

Don't quit. Thats not fair on azzer. Instead of complaining come and take us down. Bring the fight to us. I dare you. If we are such n00bs you should be able to take us out. If n00bs can win with wings, how much more damage can 'pr0s' do working together. If you don't bring the fight to us all you prove os tthat you guys aren't as eelite as you think you are!

[CLem]

yeah this doesn't solve the problem at all, you just need the top three alliance to grow some balls and fight fairly.

[Cyrus]

Who are you punishing the most here, myself, or the alliances you refuse to compete against? It would punish me the most. And I don't think I've done anything to deserve it.

look at it from everyone elses veiw, rank 4 alliance and below are being punished the most, and have we deserved that? ;)

[harriergirl]

you guys act like since you are not winning there is no game. Pffft they are gonna get very very bored up there very soon and thats ONLY if there is no successful resistance. You can still play, you can still do well. Yes I think that TBA are ridiculous and a pain in the arse but it doesn't mean that we have to let them ruin the game for us.

It's all about Attitude

[Cyrus]

you guys act like since you are not winning there is no game. Pffft they are gonna get very very bored up there very soon and thats ONLY if there is no successful resistance. You can still play, you can still do well. Yes I think that TBA are ridiculous and a pain in the arse but it doesn't mean that we have to let them ruin the game for us.

It's all about Attitude

you find someone willing to do something, i havent, most people just wanna let TBA powerblock

[ViVi]

you guys act like since you are not winning there is no game. Pffft they are gonna get very very bored up there very soon and thats ONLY if there is no successful resistance. You can still play, you can still do well. Yes I think that TBA are ridiculous and a pain in the arse but it doesn't mean that we have to let them ruin the game for us.

It's all about Attitude

you find someone willing to do something, i havent, most people just wanna let TBA powerblock

Aren't you part of TBA?

To be honest while I am not impressed with the attitude shown by them, not to mention a style of play that detracts from our retention of players (though one can also say it's a flaw in the game itself), I can't really say it'd ever make me want to quit or stop playing. I wouldn't have anyone to TL rush in a week or so, otherwise. Got to take your fun where you can find it.

[Cyrus]

No, im not TBA Rofl. you will never find me being part of a pwoerblock, i have standards and morals

[ViVi]

You've grown up since I last played.

[Cyrus]

Haha very true, ive played this game for like 6 years, that happens :P

back on topic, people rank 4 and below need to work together and keep rushing the top, as simple as it sounds :P

[n0c0ntr0l]

Haha very true, ive played this game for like 6 years, that happens :P

back on topic, people rank 4 and below need to work together and keep rushing the top, as simple as it sounds :P
Hurry up and do it. I look forward to the epic resistance you want to build. though, it will fail, because contrary to popular belief we are not n00bs.

[IceOfFire]

I almost choked there!

n0c0ntr0l...you dont think your a n00b?

[Cyrus]

N0c, please note, bigger and better players have fallen, your aragance will bite you in your ass, always happens.

[marvin]

Haha very true, ive played this game for like 6 years, that happens :P

back on topic, people rank 4 and below need to work together and keep rushing the top, as simple as it sounds :P
Hurry up and do it. I look forward to the epic resistance you want to build. though, it will fail, because contrary to popular belief we are not n00bs.

You eejit.

Changer is leader, of course we're noobs!

[f0xx]

Haha very true, ive played this game for like 6 years, that happens :P

back on topic, people rank 4 and below need to work together and keep rushing the top, as simple as it sounds :P
Hurry up and do it. I look forward to the epic resistance you want to build. though, it will fail, because contrary to popular belief we are not n00bs.

http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/image.php?u=136&dateline=1232933141

I have nothing more to add.

[n0c0ntr0l]

I almost choked there!

n0c0ntr0l...you dont think your a n00b?
Lol, i've been playing this game in radio silence solo since round 7 on and off. Most times placing top 150 without much activity. I know how to play. It's only the last 3 rounds I've decided to take an active partixipation in alliances. But hey if you don't believe me come test me. Just because someone has only been talking for a few rounds doesn't mean they don't know how to play.

[f0xx]

I almost choked there!

n0c0ntr0l...you dont think your a n00b?
But hey if you don't believe me come test me and my 59 mates.

Here, I fixed it for you :)

[n0c0ntr0l]

I almost choked there!

n0c0ntr0l...you dont think your a n00b?
But hey if you don't believe me come test me and my 59 mates.

Here, I fixed it for you :)
Hey im only in tba because JJ is. Otherwise to be honest I would have avoided wings like plagues. Normally they don't work well in communication etc.

[Cyrus]

F0xx you hit the nail on the head tbh, its easy to big yourself up when your on top.

[Polo]

F0xx you hit the nail on the head tbh, its easy to big yourself up when your on top.

Most people are arrogant as hell when they're on top until they realise it means absolutely bugger all. :P

[n0c0ntr0l]

I never said that I was amazing. I never even said I am good. All I said was that I am not a n00b. And don't try and claim I am one, whilst there are obvious n00bs lounging around at the bottom!

[Nightmare]

BAH!
TBA this, TBA that.

You've all seen powerblocks rounds before, I'm sure, so please, I'm really starting to get bored of hearing the same thing over and over on these forums.

Deal with it, or please, do STFU.

[No-Dachi]

I do not agree with the original post on this matter. There is no reason to boycott a game because someone decides to f*ck with it, and everyone playing it. We'll deal with the arrogant ones our way, and boycotting a good game because of some ****s playing it is definitely not my way.

I realize your frustrated, and tbh I've had my emotional outbursts myself (although in private channels), but this is not doing anything good. The reason this powerblock is so bad is that the active player base has reached an all-time low. If we had three or four times the players, this wouldn't be as bad, as there'd be more people to form a resistance from, and more people for everyone to hit. Now, with them controlling 10% of the player base, everyone is forced to hit the same targets. They hit the top 4-6 alliances, which in turn are farming the same players over and over again to recoup from the losses they take. This leads to yet more people quitting, and before you start with this bs about previous powerblocks it is not the same! With more players the damage and incoming is spread out, and less players are likely to leave because of it.

Now, this thread does nothing to solve this matter. In fact, it makes it worse by deterring new players. Please, please think through threads like these before making them. Or at the very least put it in the gripes section, so that new players might get that this is merely the frustration of one player, not the game going down the drain.

I'm truly sorry that experienced players are acting and damaging the game in such a fashion, but in the end it is their choice to do it, and the very least we can do is to try our best to stop the ripples from spreading too far.

[Asmodeous]

Revenge is a dish best served cold and about mid-round. ;)

[Azzer]

I think the best and most fun solution would be for one of those powerblocks to attack/fight/kill off one of the other 2 - at a "suprise" moment. They'll either pwn them by suprise and rape their land, or they'll cause a load of damage but die in the process, either way it'd be a hell of a laugh (in my opinion, I mean - that's the sort of think I would enjoy if I played anyway), would create interest for the entire round, and the players that did it would make the round's history books/generate a lot of kudos from the rest of the playerbase.

[Cyrus]

I think the best and most fun solution would be for one of those powerblocks to attack/fight/kill off one of the other 2 - at a "suprise" moment. They'll either pwn them by suprise and rape their land, or they'll cause a load of damage but die in the process, either way it'd be a hell of a laugh (in my opinion, I mean - that's the sort of think I would enjoy if I played anyway), would create interest for the entire round, and the players that did it would make the round's history books/generate a lot of kudos from the rest of the playerbase.

i think thats jsut it with conjunction with Dachi's post, these active players care less about there good rep and more about gaining and advantage and winning how it should be done, with hard graft and endless fun

most the guys even doing this powerblock think its a farse and are complaining that they have little targets, yet they dont do anything about it, have YOUR own opinion, do what you think is right, all be it you may end up dying but you gain alot more respect from the playerbase that way

[Azzer]

This is only my playstyle, everyone in those top three alliances may disagree, but for me, this is how I think when I play a game like this;

I would rather be lower ranked, kicking arse, earning a reputation, having a wild ride and living "on the edge" (eg - actually having viable enemies that are capable of crushing me if I don't keep on top of things), than be rank 1 on paper but have done not a lot to deserve it/have nothing to do but "bash newbs" when I got there.

Also, I couldn't be part of an alliance that went against my philosophy - I wouldn't say "I hate powerblocks" and actually sit in one - I'd take my alliance apart from the inside out if they didn't want to go crazy, or drag some like-minded individuals away with me and form my own alliance that played for fun, respect, and lolz.

In another web-game I played for around 2 years, I was in an alliance that was "mid to high ranked", had less members than just about every single other alliance above and below us, could have been crushed by any of the larger alliances, but we just didn't care about rank - we played hardcore actively but "fairly" every single day, and we earned one hell of a reputation for it. We also earned a reputation for being crazy - we'd accept surrender terms from enemies but only if they hand-drew an "MS Paint" along some crazy vaguely themed idea related to our alliance/their alliance, and we only recruited alliance members that submitted an MS Painting (again hand-drawn amateur-style MS paints, not simply images copy & pasted off the web or professional Photoshop artwork) first. It's this sort of "fun playstyle" that really earns you a name, and is much more fun.

I just couldn't play Bushtarion and be in a powerblock like the one that currently exists - I'd genuinely feel ashamed if I just sat there and played with them.

[Polo]

This is only my playstyle, everyone in those top three alliances may disagree, but for me, this is how I think when I play a game like this;

I would rather be lower ranked, kicking arse, earning a reputation, having a wild ride and living "on the edge" (eg - actually having viable enemies that are capable of crushing me if I don't keep on top of things), than be rank 1 on paper but have done not a lot to deserve it/have nothing to do but "bash newbs" when I got there.

Also, I couldn't be part of an alliance that went against my philosophy - I wouldn't say "I hate powerblocks" and actually sit in one - I'd take my alliance apart from the inside out if they didn't want to go crazy, or drag some like-minded individuals away with me and form my own alliance that played for fun, respect, and lolz.

In another web-game I played for around 2 years, I was in an alliance that was "mid to high ranked", had less members than just about every single other alliance above and below us, could have been crushed by any of the larger alliances, but we just didn't care about rank - we played hardcore actively but "fairly" every single day, and we earned one hell of a reputation for it. We also earned a reputation for being crazy - we'd accept surrender terms from enemies but only if they hand-drew an "MS Paint" along some crazy vaguely themed idea related to our alliance/their alliance, and we only recruited alliance members that submitted an MS Painting (again hand-drawn amateur-style MS paints, not simply images copy & pasted off the web or professional Photoshop artwork) first. It's this sort of "fun playstyle" that really earns you a name, and is much more fun.

I just couldn't play Bushtarion and be in a powerblock like the one that currently exists - I'd genuinely feel ashamed if I just sat there and played with them.

Completely agreed.

[Twigley]

I think the best and most fun solution would be for one of those powerblocks to attack/fight/kill off one of the other 2 - at a "suprise" moment. They'll either pwn them by suprise and rape their land, or they'll cause a load of damage but die in the process, either way it'd be a hell of a laugh (in my opinion, I mean - that's the sort of think I would enjoy if I played anyway), would create interest for the entire round, and the players that did it would make the round's history books/generate a lot of kudos from the rest of the playerbase.

There was a similar plan to do something fun.
But then it became fun to watch people whine :(

I've already been on the end of 3/4/5/6 v 1 nearly every time i lead or be in a top alliance.
By the same people that we are doing it to now.

So :)

[Azzer]

I've already been on the end of 3/4/5/6 v 1 nearly every time i lead or be in a top alliance.
By the same people that we are doing it to now.

So :)

I couldn't change my own philosophies just because others played by different ones to me. It's a poor excuse, and in fact, I don't think it can be seen as a valid excuse at all. A vegetarian doesn't eat meat just because they saw somebody else doing it (generally... I know bacon sarnies can be tempting to weaker willed people though ;)). Poor excuse to try and dismiss your own current poor playstyle, in my personal opinion as a gamer, and people will remember the times you play bad more than the times you play good. So whether or not you have played against the odds in the past, you are not currently that kind of player - and that's what would matter to me, even if it doesn't matter to you! But I am sure the rest of the playerbase will look at you nothing more than a rank-chasing power-blocking player now, whatever skills or crazyness you have shown in the past. And if you don't fix that, that image will remain for a long time.

[Twigley]

I play how i want.
I don't care how other people see me and i havn't for the past 27/28 rounds i have played in.
I play this game to have fun with the people i am allied with.
I don't need you to tell me what you think is wrong and what you think of me.

Philosophies might not change but attitudes to other players do.
If you think me napping 2 alliances to get to the top is a poor current playstyle then 70% of the allies in the past also have/had the same problem.

[Azzer]

I play how i want.
I don't care how other people see me and i havn't for the past 27/28 rounds i have played in.
I play this game to have fun with the people i am allied with.
I don't need you to tell me what you think is wrong and what you think of me.

Philosophies might not change but attitudes to other players do.
If you think me napping 2 alliances to get to the top is a poor current playstyle then 70% of the allies in the past also have/had the same problem.

As I said, not everyone will agree with my playstyles or philosophies I posted above - obviously you don't or you wouldn't have helped/taken part in the current situation. But my opinion as a long-time hardcore gamer stands, and how I would play a game stands. If 60 players want to look like newbs/wimps/cowards/rank-queens - that's up to them - whether or not they use the excuse of "Well others have done it in the past so we can too!" or not.

But some of the names in those alliances are people I thought differently of because of how they have played in the past... though as I said, good deeds in the past are quickly over-ridden by bad deeds done in the present.

And no, you don't need me to tell you anything - but you only say that because you don't want me to. I'm entitled to give my opinion as a gamer as to what I think about your current alliance, your current playstyle, and everyone working with you, whether you need me to or not. And I've given it, and that opinion of your current style of play won't change, nor would it change in any web-game I ever played about any player that cared more about rank than style.

Style > Rank, always.

[Twigley]

And i'm entitled to give my opinion that what your talking is complete BS to try and stir the pot because - we are currently discussing this in a thread aimed at boycotting your game.
And if you think this is all about rank you obviously have taken too much time out of the game from previous rounds to know anything about history of "Lude".

Shutting up > Whining, always.

[Cyrus]

youve gone for rank 1 every round, your point means what exactly? LOL

personally i think youve took the easy option, and when one of you gets fed up you'll back-stab the other, the point is whos gonna get the balls first?

[Twigley]

youve gone for rank 1 every round, your point means what exactly? LOL

personally i think youve took the easy option, and when one of you gets fed up you'll back-stab the other, the point is whos gonna get the balls first?

How many allies has Twigley started and then bailed? Just curious. Twigs is so fond of telling others to shut up, yet he never takes his own advice. You'd think he'd show a bit more respect to Azzer, Imho.

1.
Guess why.

RedTube massed by 3 allies + 10 Bunker players on day 2.
For 2 weeks non stop.
Then we went to rank 3.

Top 2 allies powerblocked.
We tried to attack rank 2.
Rank 1 retalled.

1 more week of no sleep.
I quit.


Thank's HG, i forgot about that.

[harriergirl]

How many allies has Twigley started and then bailed? Just curious. Twigs is so fond of telling others to shut up, yet he never takes his own advice. You'd think he'd show a bit more respect to Azzer, Imho.

1.
Guess why.

RedTube massed by 3 allies + 10 Bunker players on day 2.
For 2 weeks non stop.
Then we went to rank 3.

Top 2 allies powerblocked.
We tried to attack rank 2.
Rank 1 retalled.

1 more week of no sleep.
I quit.


Thank's HG, i forgot about that.

Ironical this is the same round you accused me of being a bad leader when my ally broke. eh ? We had the same incoming as Redtube then your NEW ally hit us ...

[Twigley]

Oh you where a bad leader.
I lost copius amounts of sleep for mine for 3 long weeks after winning the previous round after having little sleep.
You failed in a few hours and just a few waves.

Interlude, Exitlude -> Look them up :)

[Cyrus]

imo you join an alli you sign the contract to stay with them through thick and thin

bailing is also classed by me as a reputation killer

[harriergirl]

Oh you where a bad leader.
I lost copius amounts of sleep for mine for 3 long weeks after winning the previous round after having little sleep.
You failed in a few hours and just a few waves.

Interlude, Exitlude -> Look them up :)

You are so full of **** ! We got hit for Weeks by them same as redtube. Weeks and weeks of nonstop incoming... and again .. you lie about the amount of incoming sent to us and how long Redemption were at us..

[Twigley]

You are so full of **** !


Ironical

:)

[Cyrus]

pfft Ironical was my alli :O

[n0c0ntr0l]

How many allies has Twigley started and then bailed? Just curious. Twigs is so fond of telling others to shut up, yet he never takes his own advice. You'd think he'd show a bit more respect to Azzer, Imho.

1.
Guess why.

RedTube massed by 3 allies + 10 Bunker players on day 2.
For 2 weeks non stop.
Then we went to rank 3.

Top 2 allies powerblocked.
We tried to attack rank 2.
Rank 1 retalled.

1 more week of no sleep.
I quit.


Thank's HG, i forgot about that.

Ironical this is the same round you accused me of being a bad leader when my ally broke. eh ? We had the same incoming as Redtube then your NEW ally hit us ...

Whilst he was new, that alliance cerrtainly wasn't. It had been holding it's opwn against jizz until a 1 week before. And guess what? Alot of the members that were in redepmtion are in inimical. So it's obviously not the n00b alliance you think it is.

As for Azzer, we aren't breaking rules, and we aren't even attacking n00bs. The ally's we are attacking are supposedly made up of the elite (elite whiners if you ask me). And there have been plenty of popwerrblocks before this and i am sure there will be ones after this.

[ViVi]

Clearly we are facing a concept of such base difficulty that we need to repeat it a thousand times before it sinks in. I'll help I suppose. As Jack Sparrow said, "Allow me to lend a machete to your intellectual thicket."

That people have power-blocked in past rounds does not mean that people ought to feel compelled to do so. To give a drastic example, Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews yet that does not mean we ought to feel compelled to attempt to do what he failed to do at some point in the future.

On the whole, an attitude change of some form allowed the general majority of the player base to understand that these forms were simply harming the game. As I've mentioned on IRC prior to this discussion arising on the forum, our player numbers have dropped dramatically since I started playing in r7. I think it's fair to attribute this to actions such as those we are seeing this round, whereby it is impossible to play as a middle rank alliance. It's simply not possible to contend with three alliances that are working in collaboration through the entire round unless a resistance is formed and to be fair, it's not easy thing to try and take down three entire alliances that have run away with the round at an early stage because of the tactics shown.

I play the same route every round and I've always managed to enjoy myself irrespective of how poorly or how well others around me have played, yet that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't have a bearing upon the overall game. What your group is doing is, to put it bluntly, causing stagnation in a game that cannot afford any more of it.

#1) Power-blocking is used, when planned out from the start, to attempt to increase
the chances of reaching a portal position by the end of the round. Not good.

#2) No one is going to care that you succeeded this round, and you are only going to face
contempt for how it was played out if things stay as they are. You haven't displayed
any manner of skill or ability. You've just gathered sixty players and obliterated any
competition using sheer numbers. Not good.

#3) People have long memories. This round that was meant to be the launch of Age 5 is
instead going to be remembered with derision and anger. A pity, really. Not good.

#4) The community as a whole is suffering because of such a play style. Not good.


Notice the trend?

[Azzer]

Along those lines, ViVi, perhaps the people such as Twigley who are "supporting" or carrying out such playstyles, should try to present an intelligent argument, using facts and logic, that demonstrates why their playstyle is good. Perhaps there's a hidden amazing reason for them doing what they are doing that goes beyond any of;
* Well, we want rank 1 and don't care how we get it or what we do to the game or what people think of us. (Rank-Queens)
or
* Well, others did it in the past, so we can do it now. (the Hitler comparison :P)
or
* If people don't join together and powerblock together as a resistance and take us out, it's THEIR fault we're playing like dirty rank-queens, not OURS. (refusal to take responsibility)

[Twigley]

Show me where i said the playstyle was considered good?
FAIL.

[Azzer]

Show me where i said the playstyle was considered good?
FAIL.

Proving my point. I said you were supporting it (by enacting it), I never said you had tried to claim it was good. I just wanted to give you one chance to prove publically that your playstyle was good/positive in any way shape or form. Not only did you not, but you just admitted it's not. Thank you. This will be something for the rest of the playerbase to see and remember for a long time to come about those 60 players.

[Alcibiades]

awww, Azzer beat me to it. :(

[Alcibiades]

One TBA locked for cheating. Hysterically funny.

Edit: two, but polo beat me to it.

[Polo]

One TBA locked for cheating. Hysterically funny.

2.

[IceOfFire]

I think this what ZigZag was trying to say in another thread.

But he was drunk and it came out wrong lol

[LAFiN]

One TBA locked for cheating. Hysterically funny.

2.

One of them from my ally and his annoying little "piggy" buddy, that was in fact himself. Good riddance.

[Alcibiades]

oh the dangers of imbibing certain substances then perusing forums/IRC ;)

[Twigley]

Not only did you not, but you just admitted it's not. Thank you.

No worries, but everyone already knew that.
So again, FAIL.

[f0xx]

FAIL.

That is the word which describes TBA best actually. Even though you guys are "rank 1".

[Twigley]

'Legends play by their own rules.'

[Ahead]

'Legends play by their own rules.'

'Pussies hide behind 59 other players.'

[f0xx]

Twigs, why so defensive? If you don't really care what people say, then just don't bother replying, instead of replying to any post.

All you do with an attitude like that is make an even worse image of yourself. You are setting your own quality levels. After this round the only players that will be willing to follow you as a leader will be of the quality of your current members.

[Garrett]

I laugh. A blip in infamy is far from being legendary.

[Azzer]

I laugh. A blip in infamy is far from being legendary.

Indeed. But if somebody's so desperate for in-game rank for a single round (an achievement they consider "legendary", somehow, oh dear....) that they'll sell themselves out in every single way possible... then so be it. I know if I played I wouldn't want to play under Twigley's command or with him in my alliance in the future, if he's determined to bulldoze ahead like this for the rest of the round.

And lack of any counter-argument or otherwise to any of these points but being willing to reply with posts like "I do what I want because I'm the big man!" is tantamount to social suicide.

Also f0xx correctly says - if you don't care, don't reply. You're posting an awful lot for somebody pretending to not care about this social suicide you're committing (for yourself and for all your members).

[Twigley]

I said i don't care what people think of me.
I just find this banter amusing.

[LAFiN]

I know if I played I wouldn't want to play under Twigley's command or with him in my alliance in the future, if he's determined to bulldoze ahead like this for the rest of the round.

'Tis a good thing Changer is leading :P

[Garrett]

'Tis a good thing Changer is leading :P

huh, why did someone paint stripes on this horse? it's still not a zebra :(

[Azzer]

'Tis a good thing Changer is leading :P

Changer's humble enough not to come stamping around the forums boasting about his poor play like it's a good thing. Twigley's the one that's (willingly) become the public figurehead for this whole ordeal, and is still sat shouting out to the world "I know we suck, but I don't care, there's nothing you can do about it, we've got the ranks and we're annoying an entire playerbase and that's all I want to do, ha ha ha!". Which is why Twigley's being the target of so much of this. But most of the posts do actually apply to all three alliances in the powerblock, because they're all guilty.

[Twigley]

Changer's humble enough not to come stamping around the forums boasting about his poor play like it's a good thing.

Who is boasting?
I'm defending myself against the many flames i am getting because i find this banter funny.
I said i don't consider the playstyle good.
There is no boasting.


I also said we are currently talking in a boycotting thread in which you keep using the excuse of "I'm commenting on the perspective of a gamer", when infact you have been so out of touch with the game before age 5 relative to the people you are accusing.

...what your talking is complete BS to try and stir the pot...


There is no need to have an ingame system.
Just continue to brainwash them as an admin through the forums.

[Azzer]

I also said we are currently talking in a boycotting thread in which you keep using the excuse of "I'm commenting on the perspective of a gamer", when infact you have been so out of touch with the game before age 5 relative to the people you are accusing.

There is no need to have an ingame system.
Just continue to brainwash them as an admin through the forums.

If I was so out of touch, nobody would agree with me. If my opinions are wrong - whether I was a player, a nobody, or an admin - then you'd have been able to argue them. Instead you've actually agreed to them and confess there's no defense for what you are doing. So whether I'm the admin or a nobody is moot - the points I've made have been agreed by others and even yourself in posts. Change the name of my posts to "Billy Bob Thornton", if you like, but the content would stay the same and you'd still have no argument against it or defence for your playstyle. So don't try playing the martyr now "Oh no the big mean game admin is vocally saying that how I'm playing is an embarassment and is upsetting and ruining the fun of everyone, woe is me!", as if trying to detract from the situation.

And anyway, you're implying that as an admin I have no right to voice my opinions on how people are playing. I'm a gamer, quite a hardcore gamer, I've experience at playing in many, many other games, and genres. My opinion's as valid as the next person. I've not used my "admin powers" to punish you. I've not used my "admin powers" to create sticky threads voicing my opinions on the powerblock. I've not edited your posts or in fact utilised the fact I am an admin in any way, shape or form while expressing these opinions. Sounds like you're desperately trying to come up with some sort of excuse/leverage to try and shut me up because you don't like what I'm saying...

[Cyrus]

its not brainwashing Twigley, we all know whats going on. no-one needs anyone to abck them up here to realise this, i think your jsut afraid that JJ is gonna come whoop you and everybody will pile in because of the stuff youve been chucking around these forums, thats the bottom line.

even people within your own ranks are talking about leaving and some have.

now we all sit and wait till the game is back on track and we have 6-7 allis fighting each other seperately.

this round has the potential to be awesome yet your lot are ruining it.

[Twigley]

Azzer, ofc i have no defence of the powerblock.
I never said i did.
And i never said i would get one.
And i don't need to create a defence about the powerblock.
Obvious much?

I'm not arguing with your points.
I'm saying i don't care what you say as it wont change how i personally play.
I'm saying your points are there just to BS to people as you want a more open round so it's not driving players to quit.

No please carry on with what you are saying Azzer.
It's not as if it hasn't been said 20-25 times before in 6-7 threads.

And like i said maybe 1 and a half weeks ago -
The original plan was to cut the wings up into either 12 allies of 5 or 6 allies of 12 and either A) Fight each other. Or B) Wait and fight anyone who wants to resist against them.

Unfortunately like i've already said, the fact that people are whining is just encouraging people in TBA to want to bash bash bash more because they like to feel powerful (Wether they are powerful or not).

[Azzer]

TBH, you're whinging more than anyone else Twigley. You reply back to almost every single person that posts on the subject, in generally defensive or contemptful whingey tones. Whinging about people whinging against you, and then using that as an excuse for your continued powerblocking thus ultimately continued whinging. Hypocrite, much?

Also you mention "driving players to quit"... I never mentioned this... do you feel your playstyle is driving players to quit? How does this make you feel? Do you give a damn about the players, the game, or anybody but yourself and doing what you want when you want?

[Twigley]

TBH, you're whinging more than anyone else Twigley. You reply back to almost every single person that posts on the subject...

Like you said.
I have been made the "figure head" for TBA.
And alot of people want a piece it seems.


...do you feel your playstyle is driving players to quit? How does this make you feel? Do you give a damn about the players, the game, or anybody but yourself and doing what you want when you want?

Yes.
You tell me, you seem to know more about what us "lamers" think than me.
Yes.
No i just played 28 rounds, organised and paid for copius amounts of free private worlds and am an official helper of Bushtarion.
Yes, my ally mates.

[f0xx]

Also you mention "driving players to quit"... I never mentioned this... do you feel your playstyle is driving players to quit? How does this make you feel? Do you give a damn about the players, the game, or anybody but yourself and doing what you want when you want?

Actually that is a VERY good point there. Since Twigley was one of the most active people to voice their oppinion when you were innactive, saying how this and that was destroying the game and now he is that same person who is using tactics that drive players away.

This is really entertaining Twigley, give us more! ;)

[BlackWolf]

- Twigley

- Don't hate the game, hate Changer.

- Legends play by their own rules. Pussies hide behind 59 other players.

You really think that you will make "name" or legend out of yourself by this all? Is this your desperate move to get your name in history of Bushtarion? After 5 years and being plaid what round 5 or so no one still really cares to remember you and your last try involves ruining others age 5 start? Is this the idea you want to leave for us all?

All I can say is that what ever your reasoning is, you will not be remembered as anything else but someone who has act very childish since your arrival and has continued it throught your rounds.

[Garrett]

and am an official helper of Bushtarion.


And do you seriously feel at any point this round, you officially have helped Bushtarion?

Honestly, i would have left that bit out of your post to make it more credible.

[Twigley]

Heh i've never seen someone quote a forum signature before.
Gz.




You really think that you will make "name" or legend out of yourself by this all?

I learned from you Blackwolf.
Back in round 9 in my first winning round.
When you led all 4 wings.
Don't blame me - i just copied you :(




All I can say is that what ever your reasoning is, you will not be remembered as anything else but someone who has act very childish since your arrival and has continued it throught your rounds.


Ironical





And do you seriously feel at any point this round, you officially have helped Bushtarion?


We all have a round or two people dont agree with.
Or speak out and be classed as "lamer".
You should know.

[ViVi]

Pure comedy gold. I'm enjoying myself more on the forum the last few days than by actually playing.

[BlackWolf]

Heh i've never seen someone quote a forum signature before.
Gz.

You really think that you will make "name" or legend out of yourself by this all?

I learned from you Blackwolf.
Back in round 9 in my first winning round.
When you led all 4 wings.
Don't blame me - i just copied you :(

All I can say is that what ever your reasoning is, you will not be remembered as anything else but someone who has act very childish since your arrival and has continued it throught your rounds.

Ironical

And do you seriously feel at any point this round, you officially have helped Bushtarion?

We all have a round or two people dont agree with.
Or speak out and be classed as "lamer".
You should know.
I have said throught my years that if I could change anything I wouldnt do what I did on round 9. Even the situation was different and we were pushed by CRA we ruined peoples game that round pretty effectively. We have not ever seen anything even close like it on any round since. And was hoping that it would be first and last round anyone would act like that. How wrong was I... And then you have balls to say you copied from me... having almost as much members as I did back then... yet there were 5 times more people playing over all. And I have never lead 4 wings.

There are not many rounds that people have complained. There aint much persons in this game that are looked down at. You have pretty much made clear you are one of those now. I wish you happy future in this game, just dont wonder if your triumphs gets a lot harder in the future because players do not forget.

[Melnibone]

Hehe how sorry am i that i missed all the fun this past little while...........

Just having a read through the forums and i must say go Twigley!!!! amazing how many names i see flaming this guy for a power block that have either been in one or even led one hypocrisy anyone? (btw think carefully about the reply to this if you find it any way offensive i guess it must be too close to home). Also the Hitler argument flame complete fail this is a game the 2nd world war wasnt, genocide is illegal powerblocking in this game isnt, most importantly if you think the mass extermination of almost an entire race is in any way relevant to a friggin online game seek therapy now ^^

Powerblocks have never been in any way illegal, they are a poor tactic from if you like a 'moral' point of view but again my memory of many (not all) of the posters decrying its use have used dubious tactics in the past so again hypocrisy anyone?

Azzer getting involved to tell people how to play the game? emmm as games creater you have a EULA to make anything illegal you wish, to use your position as game owner to publicly slate one of its players and in particular a player that over the years has done many things to support and help you for a tactic you yourself dont see the need to make illegal is just sad, your e-peen needing a little boost Az? even worse to state about yourself as a gamer yes i remember being in alliances you sold out offering to take nightcover to facilitate the destruction of your friends for a 'giggle' much more morally reprehensible than power blocking but hey everyones entitled to an opinion right? or are we back in the days when the only allowable opinion is one that mirrors your own?

As stated the tactic is not illegal and i know Twigley well enough to know that although he doesnt care what you think about him he'll be loving this (btw Twigley i still dont like you)

Kill them ingame if you cant keep whining im sure the sweet taste of your tears amuses them no end......................

[Elderveld]

Hehe how sorry am i that i missed all the fun this past little while...........

Just having a read through the forums and i must say go Twigley!!!! amazing how many names i see flaming this guy for a power block that have either been in one or even led one hypocrisy anyone? (btw think carefully about the reply to this if you find it any way offensive i guess it must be too close to home). Also the Hitler argument flame complete fail this is a game the 2nd world war wasnt, genocide is illegal powerblocking in this game isnt, most importantly if you think the mass extermination of almost an entire race is in any way relevant to a friggin online game seek therapy now ^^

Powerblocks have never been in any way illegal, they are a poor tactic from if you like a 'moral' point of view but again my memory of many (not all) of the posters decrying its use have used dubious tactics in the past so again hypocrisy anyone?

Azzer getting involved to tell people how to play the game? emmm as games creater you have a EULA to make anything illegal you wish, to use your position as game owner to publicly slate one of its players and in particular a player that over the years has done many things to support and help you for a tactic you yourself dont see the need to make illegal is just sad, your e-peen needing a little boost Az? even worse to state about yourself as a gamer yes i remember being in alliances you sold out offering to take nightcover to facilitate the destruction of your friends for a 'giggle' much more morally reprehensible than power blocking but hey everyones entitled to an opinion right? or are we back in the days when the only allowable opinion is one that mirrors your own?

As stated the tactic is not illegal and i know Twigley well enough to know that although he doesnt care what you think about him he'll be loving this (btw Twigley i still dont like you)

Kill them ingame if you cant keep whining im sure the sweet taste of your tears amuses them no end......................

qft

[nopjes]

Hehe how sorry am i that i missed all the fun this past little while...........

Just having a read through the forums and i must say go Twigley!!!! amazing how many names i see flaming this guy for a power block that have either been in one or even led one hypocrisy anyone? (btw think carefully about the reply to this if you find it any way offensive i guess it must be too close to home). Also the Hitler argument flame complete fail this is a game the 2nd world war wasnt, genocide is illegal powerblocking in this game isnt, most importantly if you think the mass extermination of almost an entire race is in any way relevant to a friggin online game seek therapy now ^^

Powerblocks have never been in any way illegal, they are a poor tactic from if you like a 'moral' point of view but again my memory of many (not all) of the posters decrying its use have used dubious tactics in the past so again hypocrisy anyone?

Azzer getting involved to tell people how to play the game? emmm as games creater you have a EULA to make anything illegal you wish, to use your position as game owner to publicly slate one of its players and in particular a player that over the years has done many things to support and help you for a tactic you yourself dont see the need to make illegal is just sad, your e-peen needing a little boost Az? even worse to state about yourself as a gamer yes i remember being in alliances you sold out offering to take nightcover to facilitate the destruction of your friends for a 'giggle' much more morally reprehensible than power blocking but hey everyones entitled to an opinion right? or are we back in the days when the only allowable opinion is one that mirrors your own?

As stated the tactic is not illegal and i know Twigley well enough to know that although he doesnt care what you think about him he'll be loving this (btw Twigley i still dont like you)

Kill them ingame if you cant keep whining im sure the sweet taste of your tears amuses them no end......................

qft

[Garrett]

I'll only agree with melni about azzer coming on the forums and bantering back with twigley. he should have just locked twigley if he felt twigley was out of line.

however in twigley's own posts he talks about how much money he and his mates spend not just on bc's but pw's as well, so you the playerbase be the judge on that angle.

as for me, i've walked from the game for good. just can't stop posting on forums yet because work is too boring... but I have this patch I'm wearing now and it's helping me cut back.

[Changer]

Hehe how sorry am i that i missed all the fun this past little while...........

Just having a read through the forums and i must say go Twigley!!!! amazing how many names i see flaming this guy for a power block that have either been in one or even led one hypocrisy anyone? (btw think carefully about the reply to this if you find it any way offensive i guess it must be too close to home). Also the Hitler argument flame complete fail this is a game the 2nd world war wasnt, genocide is illegal powerblocking in this game isnt, most importantly if you think the mass extermination of almost an entire race is in any way relevant to a friggin online game seek therapy now ^^

Powerblocks have never been in any way illegal, they are a poor tactic from if you like a 'moral' point of view but again my memory of many (not all) of the posters decrying its use have used dubious tactics in the past so again hypocrisy anyone?

Azzer getting involved to tell people how to play the game? emmm as games creater you have a EULA to make anything illegal you wish, to use your position as game owner to publicly slate one of its players and in particular a player that over the years has done many things to support and help you for a tactic you yourself dont see the need to make illegal is just sad, your e-peen needing a little boost Az? even worse to state about yourself as a gamer yes i remember being in alliances you sold out offering to take nightcover to facilitate the destruction of your friends for a 'giggle' much more morally reprehensible than power blocking but hey everyones entitled to an opinion right? or are we back in the days when the only allowable opinion is one that mirrors your own?

As stated the tactic is not illegal and i know Twigley well enough to know that although he doesnt care what you think about him he'll be loving this (btw Twigley i still dont like you)

Kill them ingame if you cant keep whining im sure the sweet taste of your tears amuses them no end......................

Qft

[Hobbezak]

Hehe how sorry am i that i missed all the fun this past little while...........

Just having a read through the forums and i must say go Twigley!!!! amazing how many names i see flaming this guy for a power block that have either been in one or even led one hypocrisy anyone? (btw think carefully about the reply to this if you find it any way offensive i guess it must be too close to home). Also the Hitler argument flame complete fail this is a game the 2nd world war wasnt, genocide is illegal powerblocking in this game isnt, most importantly if you think the mass extermination of almost an entire race is in any way relevant to a friggin online game seek therapy now ^^

Powerblocks have never been in any way illegal, they are a poor tactic from if you like a 'moral' point of view but again my memory of many (not all) of the posters decrying its use have used dubious tactics in the past so again hypocrisy anyone?

Azzer getting involved to tell people how to play the game? emmm as games creater you have a EULA to make anything illegal you wish, to use your position as game owner to publicly slate one of its players and in particular a player that over the years has done many things to support and help you for a tactic you yourself dont see the need to make illegal is just sad, your e-peen needing a little boost Az? even worse to state about yourself as a gamer yes i remember being in alliances you sold out offering to take nightcover to facilitate the destruction of your friends for a 'giggle' much more morally reprehensible than power blocking but hey everyones entitled to an opinion right? or are we back in the days when the only allowable opinion is one that mirrors your own?

As stated the tactic is not illegal and i know Twigley well enough to know that although he doesnt care what you think about him he'll be loving this (btw Twigley i still dont like you)

Kill them ingame if you cant keep whining im sure the sweet taste of your tears amuses them no end......................

Qft

Quoted Changer (and Elderveld, and Nopjes) for adding absolutely nothing to this topic.

[Azzer]

Since when did the players start banning me from voicing personal opinions on IRC or the forums? :P You guys want an automoton? :O You're saying I should either admin-punish Twigley, or keep quiet and not say anything about anyone or ever voice a personal opinion that disagrees with another player or the way they play... what I was doing is not doing anything admin related at all - he's broke no rules, and me & Twigley still get on fantastically/personally in private (ie - nothing game related - we haven't "fallen out", I've not upset him, it's been 'in-game' political drama for the two of us, as it should be for everyone in these forums!) - this is politics drama/politics banter, and I'm adding to it by giving one possible side of opinions ona playstyle (remember when I used to give in-game "reports" on wars between alliances, and compared them to the wars going on in the real world? Similar sort of thing here). DarkSider even asked if he could "interview me" and get me to say stuff like that to add to the "fuels of politics drama" for fun. So jump off your "Omg admin is a real life person with OPINIONS!? GET OUT OF HERE IF YOU AREN'T BANNING SOMEONE!" bandwagon, I've not hurt Twigley's feelings and I've not done anything as an admin or stated he or his mates have broken any rules, because they haven't ;) Sheesh, some people would suck all the fun out of political drama if they had the chance!

[Garrett]

he's broke no rules

Lies. Pure and simple. He's broken a string of them. Admitted to at least one or some of them in another thread. Another post by another user showing proof of account sharing was deleted. Your post would have been very nice otherwise.

[pinpower]

he's broke no rules

Lies. Pure and simple. He's broken a string of them. Admitted to at least one or some of them in another thread.

Name (and quote) one rule that he has broken? (In game)
x

[Azzer]

Lies. Pure and simple. He's broken a string of them. Admitted to at least one or some of them in another thread.

Anti-powerblock rules? There are none, somebody mentioned there were, I said there aren't/he's broke no such rules :P Keep on topic, if you know of some actual mis-doings of Twigley's that are related to game rules for which he's not been punished for, PM me any details as ever.
http://www.bushtarion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1546
Public accusations and exploits:
11.1 - If you consider a player is cheating in the game or is harassing you in any way, do not make a public post about it, instead report them directly to Azzer via a forum PM or an in-game mail to ID 1.

[Twigley]

the top is always going to be the top. There will always be victors. there will always be people who complain.



Qft.