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[DarkSider]

What's this ? Bushtarion recent events near the top as they happened or as the interviewed players claim to.
The intent of this 'article' is to hype the things at the top while also allowing the players not involved in those battles to have an idea of those happenings and hopefully enjoy a good reading while doing that :D Please keep in mind that some of the 'bad talking' was insistently asked for to spice the things up a little and add to the drama so don't over react replying to that :P

So here we start with the former rank #1 alliance which is now ranked #5 - War? Huh? lead by Martin.
I interviewed Polo and since he was a bit poor on the trash talk i had to ask Tana to complement him in this interview. Thankfully when Tana is requested for an adrenaline shot, Tana delivers.

DarkSider: So Mr. Polo, can you tell me in a few words what happened and the reason your alliance felt from rank 1 ?
Nick: Twigley's allies massed us, and apparently got random people to send too. Six allies sent, or so I was told, at least 3.
DarkSider: Who are the 3 who sent for sure ?
Nick:JJ, Twigs and SteveGod ( Inimical, Overlude, Sexeh_Grannies )
DarkSider:And Chance is neutral at r2 ? ( IOF's ally )
Nick:yup
DarkSider:OK, any words about situation ? Like your feelings about them jumping on you ?
Nick: I think it'll make for an interesting round
DarkSider:Do you have an idea about the land movement ? How much you guys lost from attacks and who got most of it ?
Nick:from the first attacks when it was 3 vs 1 we broke even. That was saturday. Don't know how much we lost Sunday. We retalled Saturday and just killed their flak Sunday.
We retaled 3 allies in the same time, didn't knew who's in which alliance.
DarkSider: Did you had a big acre lead over them ?
Nick:on saturday we were about 25k and them all 15-20k and it stayed about the same. Then yesterday we went from 40k to 30k. And now they stopped as we have lethals.
DarkSider: Can you estimate the casualties you did to them ?
Nick:about 40m flak
DarkSider:that must hurt
Nick:nah, they all have mass flak, they can afford it. JJ has 30m gard and 9m CG


DarkSider: I need drama.
<harriergirl> how about we eagerly lined up at the start, and used our skills to leap ahead of acres in the beginning, only to have the other allies get jealous of us and gang up 6 to one to take away our hard earned land ?
DarkSider: Now you're talking.
<DarkSider> So you think they got jealous of your acre count and couldn't stand them beeing smaller and decided to bang on you
harriergirl> Oh def, twigs said for sure that if the top ally kept getting bigger they were asking to be waved
<DarkSider> So what are your feelings about twigs ?
<harriergirl> as an op I will refrain from talking about twigs
<harriergirl> but you can say that we are confident enough in our skills and talents to not be fussed about the land loss
( note that she did try to resist and show her official side only but i pushed her some more :P )
<harriergirl> Twigs is a *censored*, I'd like to bend him in to a pretzel so he can smell his own *cough icecream*
<harriergirl> I'm glad he has untalented soldiers who will follow his attacks blindly
<DarkSider> Aha, so you're saying that even with their wings you have enough skill in your ally to fight and win against their numbers right ?
<harriergirl> I'm saying that no matter the outcome our skill is greater as they have to rely on numbers to beat us .. or try
<DarkSider> What do you feel about this war ? You see yourself winning it alone ? Or you might try to find help ?
<harriergirl> from a soldiers perspective I don't know how we will fight but I have confidence our leaders haven't given up the fight ;)





Let's move to the side inflicting the pain, we'll start with Sexeh_Grannies and Steve_God:


<DarkSider> I heard from several sources you guys are part of TBA with the main leader twigley, how you comment on that ?
<Steve_God> Twigley is leading another alliance, that may or may not be a part of TBA :P
<DarkSider> So you deny your alliance beeing part of TBA ?
<Steve_God> I can say that my alliance has been working with other alliances within TBA. Whether Sexeh_Grannies is a part of TBA or not however, won't be found out today :)
<DarkSider> But did you attack War? Huh? with Inimical and Overlude ?
<Steve_God> On Saturday night, the attacks on Martins ally came from 5 different alliances, if I'm honest, I've no idea which 5, but us, Inimical and overlude got the ball rolling, and two other allies got involved too. We allocated each allies a few ids to hit, and went from there. Last nights was jointly organised between my ally and Inimical
<DarkSider> Just the 2 ? Or you have no knowledge of others hoping in like say .. overlude :p
<Steve_God> Not that I'm aware of. Overludes communication with S_G has been pretty much non-existant since the attacks on Saturday night.
<DarkSider> Ok so, there was a mass attack recently on War? Huh? You guys got involved ?
<Steve_God> We did yes. Several mass attacks to be honest :P
<DarkSider> And how did the attacks go ?
<Steve_God> Well there was one mass attack after just over 24 hours... went well, but nothing spectacular... then last tight there were 4 large scale waves (I only made 2 before falling asleep) and all very successful in turns of gaining land, with minimal losses. We've seen very little retaliation ... only the occasional incomings from those higher up, but nothing unexpected.
<DarkSider> So you took quite some acres from them .. can you give an estimate of the profit from this war ?
<Steve_God> I haven't got record from the Saturday night attack, but from last nights, the first wave, S_G gained 1,500 acres, second wave a similar amount and not sure about the following two waves, but we're still gaining acres overall. Probably say S_G have gained maybe 3/4k acres from them over all of yesterdays attacks on them.Unsure of any of the other allies we were working with though.
<DarkSider> What are your feelings about War? Huh? How would you call the mass attacks on them ?
<Steve_God> Just assisting each other in gaining some fairly easy land.
<DarkSider> So it wasn't a desperate move as you got scared they are pulling away with the round ? You just wanted some piece of those easy acres ?
<Steve_God> It's hard to say how well they have been so far, as when it's still the flak wars, if you send 4 attacks, and one lasts, it's still a result - whereas the truth will be told when the lethals start appearing, and those 3 other mobs end up getting destroyed :P
But they are regaining their acres at a fair pace, and still remaining a strong contender.
<DarkSider> Do you have long term agreements with Overlude or Inimical ?
<Steve_God> No long term agreements... as I say, I haven't spoken to Overludes leadership in close to 2 days now, and with how fast Inimical are pulling away, we may soon cease to continue working with them.
<DarkSider> ah that's good to hear :P So what are grannies aim this round ? You plan on winning valuation or just to be involved in the early wars ? Maybe you have a grudge against another alliance and your sole aim is to destroy them till end ?
<Steve_God> Lets see... Main aim as always... to bring comedy to the masses. For a shameless plug, we are updating our alliance picture roughly every day with a new 'GILF' image for all to perve over :P
<Steve_God> In turns of Grudges... BlackWolf.
<DarkSider> So you hereby declare war on them ? Or just your hostility towards him/virus ?
<Steve_God> He claimed that we have used spies to get ID lists, when we haven't. So he's my only grudge this round. Just general hostility towards him. If he keeps being an idiot on the forums, then more may happen ;)
<DarkSider> Give me some drama
<Steve_God> "If BlackWolf doesn't start realising that co-operating with other alliances in the short term is the only way to go, then he'll never make it back up to the top."
<Steve_God> "If the Inimical leadership keep slagging off our GILFs... we will get the lube out, and head will roll!"
<Steve_God> "If BlackWolf doesn't start appreciating the beauty of GILFs, we will have no option but to destroy him!"
<Steve_God> "If anyone dares mock the GILF way... we shall march in our masses armed with Zimmer Frames, Motorised Wheelchairs and saggy old people making sweet love to the sound of your destruction!"
<Steve_God> Closing words... "GILFs For Life!"
"We will have spy scans at approx 9.00 GMT on the 18th - all other allies will need to be prepared by then ;)"



Well this one didn't need much convincing to start a fire, watch out the force is strong in him :)
Moving on to the current #2 alliance Inimical and JJ:



DarkSider: So i heard you guys are part of the TBA formed by twigley. Do you deny that ?
JJ:Originally that was the "idea" but I haven't seen twigs in a couple of days and communication really hasn't been that good
DarkSider:So to your knowledge you're still part of TBA until the relation is officially broken ?
JJ:Hmm.. well there isn't really any point in attacking any of them, since there is so much more easy land out there
DarkSider says: So, you recently mass attacked with up to 5 allies Polo's alliance. What was the reason for it ? Would you call it a resistance 1 day into the round ? Or was it a bash ? Powerblock ?
JJ:Well, at that point we were still co-operating with each other closely and they were pulling out really far ahead. I don't think it was 5 though .. and I would call it a resistance to be honest.
DarkSider:So, how it was for your alliance this attack? You got some acres?
JJ:They basically starting hitting players from all over. Since their entire alliance used the same tactic, it was easy to find their ids over the 60 players we had. We found their ids pretty quick, and hit them. Overlude and SG had a really slow start, so it was basically a seesaw battle between inimical and War?huh? Land grabs were pretty much even, but we slowed each other down.
It was attacks back and forth between us and War?huh? Since twigley and SG's alliances were really inactive. We tried to get help but got none. Then when they started logging on, we hit them together.
DarkSider:So first day you said you just slowed eachother down, nobody had a profit. Second day was better - Sunday ?
JJ:Yep.
DarkSider:Can you estimate a profit ?
JJ:3k ish?
DarkSider: What do you think of War? Huh?
JJ: If they want a win they have to work for it.
DarkSider: How do you predict the round will go on ?
JJ:We want to win valuation, naturally, as for the three alliances, I will probably work with them, but I do expect a fallout to happen. If it does, we'll be ready to fight.
DarkSider: You're considering to ask other allies to help you during the round ?
JJ:Perhaps. I've always worked with IoF's ally over the rounds ,so we'll see what happens.
DarkSider:So you know about Virus and their wings ? What are your feelings about that ?
JJ:They don't stand a chance
DarkSider:lol, very confident there
JJ:Well I mean come on. I saw IoF's line-up, I saw most of martin's line-up, I know the line-up in our three wings, Who can they have?
I expect to see them being involved in the near future, and may even affect the results of the round.
I also got a threat from f0xx
DarkSider: Oh, what did he say ?
JJ: <f0xx> I will teach you once my PBs are out. He's not pbs tho.
DarkSider: So, you give much chance to Chance to win ? As they're not in the trio but you're friendly with IOF ?
JJ:Let's just say they have a CHANCE at winning
DarkSider:You love Iof more than twigley ?
JJ:heh, depends. The only thing I'm pissed off about right now is the land cap.
DarkSider: Gimme drama
JJ: "Just because we don't have big names, doesn't mean we suck"
***8220;I never expect to lose. Even when I'm the underdog, I still prepare a victory speech.***8221;
H. Jackson Brown, Jr. quotes (American best selling writer, author of Life's Little Instruction Book)
That quote pretty much sums it up
DarkSider:Any last words you want to add ?
JJ: Yes. "Stop complaining about how much flak I have"




And quickly moving to the 3rd from the happy group, Overlude for which i interviewed Davis:




<DarkSider> So to your knowledge your alliance is part of TBA ? If so which other alliances are part of it as you know ?
<Davis> well that was originally how twigley planned things to be but things seem to be coming apart with different allies wanted to do different things. So currently were kind of on our own.
<DarkSider> Your alliance was involved in the mass attacks on War?huh? How would you define this attacks on them? Resistance, bash or powerblock ?
<Davis> Actually, we were asked to take part in it but since we had a late start Twigley decided that it would be best for us to separate from the attacks and continue with randoms, but individuals may have sent. I see it as more of an resistance, in case you weren't paying attention, they shot up fast, and had an almost perfect start, and were pulling away fast, something had to be done, and it wasn't just TBA that hit them, chance, Affliction, Evo, and others. The veterans as a whole decided if something wasnt done it could be another one of those old fasioned days when someone pulls away at start and stays there whole round.
<DarkSider> From lude's view - was this 2 day war a profitable war ? Can you estimate how much acres you stolen ?
<Davis> It really didn't even last two days a few of our members took place in 1-2 attacks if that, we probably stole around 1k acres, they defence was crap, almost free land. and they did retal, and i think we lost about what we stole.
<DarkSider> I'm not sure if Lude was involved in second day of attacks - on sunday ? Do you recall if your guys massively helped then ?
<Davis> I can say we either didn't help or helped very little sunday. twigley was highly agaisnt it "no need to start a war if we can get land on randoms".
<DarkSider> So what you think of War? huh ? They are fighting alone so you have some admiration for them or you want them to burn in hell so you can win ?
<Davis> naturally we want the win, and they are in the way, alls fair in war. I don't know about the alliance as a whole, but i know that i love martin, polo, f0xx :P and i've heard martin say nice things about Twigs so they cant hate eachother i guess.
<DarkSider> But assuming War?Huh? would die, you might have to fight JJ and Steve to get #1. You thought of any plans for that ? You think you'll need outside help or the 2 that first agreed to kill the 3rd will fight it out ?
<Davis> We want to win, so we will have to see how the current agreement goes. It will be a fun and interesting round.
<DarkSider> On another note, what you think of the comeback of Virus ? They have 2 wings as aparently many know by now.
<Davis> haha, i've made *my* opinion on this clear. Blackwolf said this before the round
" <Blackwolf> Some guy is so desperate even game has not had even wings for rounds and makes 3 alliances and you even join him.
<Blackwolf> So I am pretty damn sure this guy is so desperate he would spy others too."
<Davis> he started Wings, He kept the around with Canes Purgances, and other times, and then he talks crap when others make wings that dont benifit him. Then the next thing you know he has a wing. I find that sad, and etrememly hypocritical, therefore *I* no longer have respect for him.
<DarkSider> You think virus and BW can affect the outcome of the battles at top ?
<Davis> Overlude doesn't seem to care about him, until he becomes a threat he's just another ally. Currently no i don't, but things change
DarkSider: Any last words?
Davis: *much love* to Lukey's sister




Moving fast to Chance, the other alliance which so far claims to be holding on their own.
I interviewed IoF from them and here's how it went:




<DarkSider> Recently War? Huh? was massed by several allies. I heard at least 3 allies where involved. You guys had a slice of them ?
<IoF> nope,not once.
Chance are going FTW with no power blocks ;) seems a bit easy to do that.
Mass attacks on polo were a bit early, i can see why they were done. Him being seen as the biggest threat to Bush Army. But sure a power block of 2 and 3 are my biggest threats.
Working together short hand is fine, happens every round. But long term will make a boring round.
<DarkSider> Ah cool, so you hope Polo's will be able to hold their own, you applaud their effort to fight alone vs bad odds.
<IoF> Yea, for Polos alliance to still be standing on high acres and rank 3 atm is pretty good. They have a good line up and im sure most have had worse in their days. He is doing very well.
<DarkSider> So how was your round so far ? You been growing in peace ?
<IoF> Well i wouldnt say we have had peace, but we have had an easier run ATM than Polo. But as spies will be out in the next couple of days im sure things will liven up dramatically. But yes his acres have been split between TBA.
<DarkSider> What are your feelings about BW and about virus with it's 2 wings ?
<IoF> Well as i made it clear earlier, the idea of having more than 1 wing i find a bit...weak and boring. Quality not quanity is what im about.
<DarkSider> He gave me an interview in which he acused you and your alliance of using dirty tactics infiltrating a spy in their alliance - anything to say about that ?
<IoF> Yea ill tell u the truth. A certain player approached me for a space, as he was the only night cover with one other. Said their leader was laggin and often no where to be found. Taking the round WAY to seriously and wasnt happy. I gave him a space and i wanted IDs. I never planted a spy. We hit them, we had to keep up with WH/TBA. Wouldnt say it was dirty.
<DarkSider> He holds a grudge against you and seems pretty determined to make your alliance pay for that. Would you consider that a threat ?
<IoF> Time will tell



And last but not least Virus (Etheral and Royal Flush) with Blackwolf as leader.




<DarkSider> So i heard you are running 2 allies, is that true ?
<Blackwolf> As people used spies to get my 2 alliances IDs being as afraid and as unhonorable as one can be in this game Why would I denie of having more than 1 alliance?
<DarkSider> So about the mass attacks on War? huh ?, where you involved ?
<Blackwolf> I have no sides to that, we were not involved by any other means than what I have discussed with other leaders of those happening, not one attack launched from us, not asked to be involved and wouldnt have involved to help Twigley and his 3 alliances.
<DarkSider> So you hereby say that you will never help twigley's powerblock this round ?
<Blackwolf> Hell yes I will, if they attack IceOfFire and his Chance, which before round started wanted to allie us against Twigley, then planted a spy to our alliance took all our IDs and launched well planned mass attack on us which has continued 18 hours now, gets attacked we are more than happy to join and help Twigley. Ohh forgot to mention spreading those IDs around the game.
<DarkSider> So it's ok for me to mention that If twigley or others want help vs chance you're all up for it
<Blackwolf> Ofc its cool
I was asked before round started by IceOfFire to help him to take down twigley which I agreed to join. If your alliances IDs would be stolen by spy I think you wouldn't let them go either.
<DarkSider> So so you plan on winning ? Atm i don't see your allies too high on acres so no idea of your lineup. Or you just want to make sure Chance won't win and you want to get some sweet revenge as your only goal ?
<Blackwolf> Yeah we try to win, but more than that we try to enjoy of our time playing this game and to that doesnt sit spying etc. desperate measurers. We have strict rules of what we dont do and to those belongs stuff like spying, massing and bashing etc. That ruins others fun. Ofc we may alliance attack and on war we mass and bash, but we see that as different situation.
<DarkSider> Gimme some drama, a nice line i can quote with your feelings about Chance.
<Blackwolf> Nah sorry. I think they are good bunch so I really have nothing to say. We will kick their ass when time comes on battlefield and that will be enought "punch lines" for us.
<DarkSider> So what you think of War? huh ? They are fighting aparently all alone vs TBA now (3 allies).
<Blackwolf> They are cool. Going alone vs 3 is always honorable. Martin is good leader and we shall see how their war goes, ofc they have some problems against such large numbers but well we shall see. I still think they are one of most honorable alliances around and have nothing bad to say of them. Not even if
<DarkSider> Ah cool, i suppose you can't say same about TBA ? Any words in particular about them ?
<Blackwolf> Whatta hell is TBA?
<DarkSider> Supposedly twigley's wings.
<Blackwolf> Guy is so arrogant he makes his groups name based on bushtarion. That is just very unimaginative and boring. If he wants to make group sure let it be, but all this "I dont have wings" " We are community" stuff is just so lame. Getting balls and admitting to have 3 wings and then playing fair round with those without spying etc. that I could respect, this not. Desperate to recruit 10% of players of game that is already low on those.
<DarkSider> They spyed aswell ? I mean i don't know what you refere to when you say you can't respect them. It's because their 3 allies ?
<Blackwolf> To my knownledge they have used spies too, and I couldnt respect them cause of their 3 wings and the way they brought those to game yet denieing it all.
I must say that I am most disapointed to Steve_God I wouldn't have ever expected him to go this low. I used to have some respect for MILF hunters, but that is long gone now.
<DarkSider> Ah, but if in this article they won't hide they have 3 wings it might change your feelings ?
<Blackwolf> No it wont change. Balls is not to admit something when you have been busted, that is just what small kids do. Balls is to admit things when you are suspected, or to stand up and defend what you have said earlier let it be a lie.
<DarkSider> Well not taking their side now but i do vagualy remember that in the recruitement post Twigley made last round with TBA he said something like they might have many wings. Old forums are gone so i can't check.
<Blackwolf> All in all Twigs played this the way no alliance or leader in any game should act towards others. Either you stand tall and take all the crap others throw at you of aving 3 alliances or then you better live with things, shut up and not comment at all.
Yet he and his alliance mates defended him week before round start with stuff like "I have only one alliance" "TBA is community not alliance" etc. I have logs.
<DarkSider> You mind sharing ?

I'll select the relevant parts from the 3 pages of quotes he sent me :D

"Twigley> TBA is full of noobs with a few EXP players helping them understand the game with a cool route set up and a good community. BW - STFU."

"<+Twigley> <Blackwolf> Ohh yeah TBA, noobs, working with 2 other allys to win for twigs... makes it so less unfair doesnt it. I wonder why that TBA is not fighting as its own alliance, isnt that the idea of alliances? Specially new alliances. Where did those 2 other allys go, thats still pretty big number of current player base.
<+Twigley> Thats not true."

"<Blackwolf> Twigley: So you denie that you have 3 alliances?
<+Twigley> BW i have 1 alliance"

"<+Twigley> TBA has members from diff allies
<+Twigley> Bush forums suck we made our own
<+Twigley> We have friends
<+Twigley> We talk
<+Twigley> We share ideas"

"<+Twigley> I lead 1 ally
<+Twigley> End of story
<+Twigley> Bw, i dont have wings
<+Twigley> I lead 1 alliance."

<DarkSider> any last words ?
<Blackwolf> Audentes Fortuna Iuvat





Ok that took so many hours it's not even funny. You guys better like it or else :p
So like i said hope this will spice the round a little bit, plenty of gossip and alliances revealing their stance, feelings to other players and grudges to alliances.
Originally i wanted to completely edit the interviews but i had no idea how so i just left the newspaper interview model but i hope it's nice :)

[Martin]

I commend the honesty as a fellow player, chaps.

Just hope the general concensus of TBA shown here of 'We won't be as one all round' is true.
I'll not ***** or complain about the actions, I just hope that it won't go beyond it's necessity.

:)


LET'S FIGHT!

[f0xx]

Aye, I support what Martin said, I enjoy every minute of the game. We've been at war since day 1 and most of the time against a force which is multiple times bigger than us and to be honest, it is a compliment that you need 6 alliances starting a resistance at day two to take us down :)

[edit] Just one more thing to add:


I also got a threat from f0xx
DarkSider: Oh, what did he say ?
JJ: <f0xx> I will teach you once my PBs are out. He's not pbs tho.

[23:51:41] <f0xx> Can I just ask you one question?
[23:51:44] <JJ|War> No
[23:51:49] <f0xx> Oh come one...
[23:51:55] <JJ|War> Can I just ask you one question? -> That was your question
[23:51:58] <JJ|War> And I answered no.
[23:52:17] <f0xx> Oh, you are starting to become arrogant, I will teach you once my PBs are out.

I should have put a smiley in the end, it was a joke really, not a threat since you guys had hacks at that time. Besides, everyone knows I suck with PBs.

[pinpower]

Im loving the drama! There are a few things untrue in that article (which is to be expected) but its a good idea! Maybe the record will be set straight soon...

Cant wait for the round to really get going!

x

[BlackWolf]

Very nice job DS!
I will not go in to inside of that text as that will lead to useless flaming and trolling from side to side, Just wanted to say that very nice from DS to do something like this.

[JJbrosandjl]

Aye, I support what Martin said, I enjoy every minute of the game. We've been at war since day 1 and most of the time against a force which is multiple times bigger than us and to be honest, it is a compliment that you need 6 alliances starting a resistance at day two to take us down :)

[edit] Just one more thing to add:





I should have put a smiley in the end, it was a joke really, not a threat since you guys had hacks at that time. Besides, everyone knows I suck with PBs.

I said it to DS as a joke too you [insert comment] :P


Mods if you are going edit, at least make the sentence make sense :P

[Jase]

Took me a while to read and some parts made me chuckle,

Worth the read :) +1

[pinpower]

Like i said, really great idea...im a bit more involved this round but for the past few rounds i havnt been in amongst it too much so its great for people who arent involved to be able to get an idea of whats going on... (or what some people want you to think is going on ;-))

x

[alexx]

So many lies xD

[Inferno]

I say well done!!!
next issue though: DW and its FTW quest, R20, plan of action.

;)

[Rosa]

Nice reporting! :)
Anyways I read most if not all of it and I will say the same thing BW did.

<Blackwolf> Whatta hell is TBA?

[Martin]

TBA = The Bushtarion Alliance


Inimical, Overlude and Sexeh_Grannies

[BlackWolf]

Isnt it the bushtarion army?

Actual conversation went like this:
[06:54pm] <DarkSider> Ah cool, i suppose you can't say same about TBA ? Any words in particular about them ?
[06:54pm] <Blackwolf> Whatta hell is TBA?
[06:54pm] <DarkSider> twigley's wings
[06:55pm] <Blackwolf> They are called TBA?
[06:55pm] <DarkSider> the bushtarion army
[06:55pm] <Blackwolf> Rofl what name.

[Martin]

Army then...

[n0c0ntr0l]

Hilarious reporter work there DS.

[timthetyrant]

good work, but i wanna know where DS stands on this, is he solo?

[Alcibiades]

good work, but i wanna know where DS stands on this, is he solo?

DS is a cheerleader and roving reporter of only mildly biased standards!

great fun DS, keep up the reporting, false or not, trivial or important, this is fun! Good ideas mate.

[Illumination]

*offers up cheers for Darksider*

[Dark_Angel]

Excellent post DS, we need more guys like you.

Um, also a side note.

<harriergirl> I'm glad he has untalented soldiers who will follow his attacks blindly

HG, Twigley didn't arrange the waves on WH? over the weekend. Nor did he endorse them, if I recall correctly.

Everyone just saw land and thought , ang on, loads of land? No LET? Let's go.

[pinpower]

Keep it polite. There is obviously going to be disagreements on this thread but no flaming or trolling please

[Alicus]

This thread delivers me lulz.

Also, lolfirstpost.

[atsanjose]

This thread delivers me lulz.

Also, lolfirstpost.

:roll: and immediately a very constructive one too ;)

anyway darksider, great job. hope to here more from you :razz:

[DarkSider]

-= Breaking news =-

Twigs is back in town. That's right, the 'big bad Twigley' has just returned from fighting bears with his bare hands and is ready to take on bush with a bang. He is apparently unhappy with the gossip around TBA and 'twigley's allies' and requested an interview asap to present the side of the story as he sees it.



<DarkSider> Start with your reaction to other ppl interviews.
<Twigley> First thing is first - Alot of total BS has been said, and some true things. I want to make a few things TOTALLY CLEAR.
* I, Twigley, lead ONE alliance. Which is called Overlude.
* I, Twigley, has NEVER led more than ONE alliance, EVER.
* TBA is NOT "Twigley's alliance"
Alot of peoples reactions to the name "Twigley" is always influenced by my enemies. Look at who leads the other allies every round:
IoF - He is my rivial, what he says to his members and the propaganda he makes to his members to get them to hit me (Which any leader should do to any alliance) is always held against me wether truth or not.
Blackwolf - We dont get on at all. What he says, Imo, is total BS ... and again alot of what he says is believed by many others, just like in past rounds.
Ogluk's "crew" - Again, people like Podunk, Lordie have high influence on people and the BS they have seen gets spewed
F0xx - I think we appreciate each other's decency and understanding of the game, but again - i don't think we like each other. Again he is a political figure head who these people listen to.

So before i even think of making an alliance any rounds, i am always the "Bad guy". Usually because my alliances normally top the start, so all attention is turned on "Big bad Twigley" who leads the "Best" alliance (Again more Propaganda). This round, the exact same thing has happened. People catch wind of me leading, they read the forum post, they hear some rumours from these people like Blackwolf, IoF etc and then amazingly *I* lead all these alliances and i am the bad guy. My summary to their reaction is:
* STOP BELIEVING THE BS!!! :|

<DarkSider> I have this impression you 3 (with JJ and steve) had an agreement at the very beggining of the round to create a powerblock, be it short or long term. How you commentate on that ?
<Twigley> TBA was there to create a community and training wings for new players. Steve_God had the exact same idea. So we joined forces and started getting newer people that you would say "haven't yet proved themselves" which are currently in our training allies atm. JJ is also a friend who wanted to help train newer people so he got involed but really his ally is full of pros
<DarkSider> So your and Steve's allies are basicly places for newer players ?
<Twigley> Yes, with a few exp people helping, which, if you read my original forum recruitment, you would of seen that i stated this was the purpose. Which, was again, overlooked as "OMG TWIGLEY IS LEADING"
I havent even spoken to JJ in about ... 3 days?
<DarkSider> So you don't deny that under a comun name or as total independent alliances you 3 ploted from the very begining of the round to join forces and war other competitors at top ?
<Twigley> That sentance would be correct if it said "war against each other AND competitors at the top"
<DarkSider> But the part with "eachother" would come after competitors die ?
<Twigley> Dont know, round has many changes. Tactics have to be brought in. If its better for us to join forces and take others out, ofc we will. JUST LIKE any other alliances would.
<DarkSider> What is Lude's goal for the round ?
<Twigley> My goal is the same as any other ally -Have fun, make sure people can play, and get as high as possible. We will do the exact same things as any others would to get the win. And when i say we, We = overlude, as i controll nothing else.
<DarkSider> I saw you lost your temper earlier today when you read in interview that Polo said " twigley's allies". You holding some grudge against him ?
<Twigley> It's nothing against polo at all. It's everyone who says "Twigley's allies". Ofc i'm gonna be annoyed at lies.
<DarkSider> So, looking at all the competition, you think you have a chance to end at top ?
<Twigley> This round is going to be a long round. I think we have a good chance to do well
<DarkSider> If you where to bet on somebody winning, who'd you choose ? :)
<Twigley> I would say... Either Chance or War? Huh? If i only had 1 bet then War? Huh?
<DarkSider> I'm surprised you didn't mention JJ's ally after earlier you said they're all pro's :p
<Twigley> Ofc they are, but the other allies have the EXP. You can be PRO without exp imo :p
<DarkSider> Yeah ofc
<DarkSider> So any alliance/player you have a grudge against and you'd want them to suffer an slow and agonizing death ? :D
<Twigley> Just one person - Harriergirl
<DarkSider> Just for what she said in the interview ?
<Twigley> <harriergirl> I'm glad he has untalented soldiers who will follow his attacks blindly
Moronic comments like that are why she will never be a good player.
Iirc when she led her alliance it took me about 12 hours to rape her alliance and untill they all started hitting sleep and dying 1 by 1 WHEN THEY WHERE BIGGER THAN US. So how she can say that my alliance has untalented players in? Is pretty ironic when she is a crap leader.
<DarkSider> On another note, what you think of Virus ?
<Twigley> My first alliance was Virus which i was in for 5 rounds. Virus is where i came from and before BW started his Propaganda towards me, i repected him. He runs two allies? Good for him, i hope they do well and war lots. I've rejected his offer to hit Chance with them a few days back as Chance has done nothing to Overlude.

" Session Ident: Blackwolf (NetGamers, Twigley) (BW@BlackWolf.users.netgamers.org)
<Blackwolf> lo
<Blackwolf> Let me know when you plan to take chance down.
<Blackwolf> We are in
Session Time: Mon Feb 16 00:00:00 2009 "

<DarkSider> But if Chance would be in a position to fight you to top you'd take BW's hand as he publicly said he helps anyone against them ?
<Twigley> If Chance become hostile to Overlude then Overlude will take measures that will be decided if that happens.
<DarkSider> Hmm at a quick thought if you, steve and JJ end on top and rest are killed, you will most likely ally Steve to attack JJ and then fight it out. You'd expect JJ to see that one coming and maybe ask other allies to help them make the first move on you ? Like say Chance ?
<Twigley> I would expect JJ to do whatever he wants. I cant answer what JJ will do. It's his ally, he makes the decisions.
<DarkSider> Any last words ?
<Twigley> I wish good round to everyone, the more wars the better. Nobody be afraid to join in, more the merrier.And i'm a nice guy really :( Dont believe the media! :P
I will end with our motto - If war is ever lawful, then peace is sometimes sinful.
Gl all - Hail to the ludes!

[pinpower]

Everything Twigs Said

QFT

You gonna try and update weekly DS?
x

[harriergirl]

<Twigley> <harriergirl> I'm glad he has untalented soldiers who will follow his attacks blindly
Moronic comments like that are why she will never be a good player.
Iirc when she led her alliance it took me about 12 hours to rape her alliance and untill they all started hitting sleep and dying 1 by 1 WHEN THEY WHERE BIGGER THAN US. So how she can say that my alliance has untalented players in? Is pretty ironic when she is a crap leader.


1) You've never played with me so you can't say that I'm a crap player.
2) You're ally and jizz hit us for hours on end for 2-3 weeks. You lie like a dog when you say it was a matter of hours. Ask anyone in my ally how it was. They will all say you lie.
3) get overyourself :)

[Ogluk]

Ogluk's "crew" - Again, people like Podunk, Lordie have high influence on people and the BS they have seen gets spewed


urm...

yeah...
interesting....

i now have Lordie and Pod with me :s that takes me to 22 members... woo at this rate i'll outnumber everyone haha! :)

get you're facts right before making sweeping statements like that

k thnks bai

[Garrett]

Excellent post DS, we need more guys like you.

Um, also a side note.



HG, Twigley didn't arrange the waves on WH? over the weekend. Nor did he endorse them, if I recall correctly.

Everyone just saw land and thought , ang on, loads of land? No LET? Let's go.

You miss the point of this thread and it's intentions. She wasn't talking to you, nor asking for your opinion.

[Garrett]

Propaganda

Anytime you have someone wanting to clear the air with words rather than actions is hiding something.

I have translated DS's interview of Twigley into 1 simple easy to read statement to clear confusion and making the rambling easier to digest.

[Mysterious]

Lololol. Great post DarkSider :)

From the way I see it, Twigley can be annoyed as he wants for people saying "Twigley's alliances"; to be fair, while I understand no-one leads "The Bushtarion Army", the idea was spawned by you, hence it being a reality in the first place, hence 3 alliances working together, hence a rather large powerblock from the start (which WILL alter things, you cannot deny this), even if it has since then dissipated. Can you blame them for saying "Twigley's alliances"? ;)

[Dark_Angel]

You miss the point of this thread and it's intentions. She wasn't talking to you, nor asking for your opinion.

Garrett - I'm merely excercising my right to ensure information posted here is as close to fact as possible.

Don't think I can be shot for making sure the truth is the truth?

-

[n0c0ntr0l]

<Twigley> <harriergirl> I'm glad he has untalented soldiers who will follow his attacks blindly
Moronic comments like that are why she will never be a good player.
Iirc when she led her alliance it took me about 12 hours to rape her alliance and untill they all started hitting sleep and dying 1 by 1 WHEN THEY WHERE BIGGER THAN US. So how she can say that my alliance has untalented players in? Is pretty ironic when she is a crap leader.


1) You've never played with me so you can't say that I'm a crap player.
2) You're ally and jizz hit us for hours on end for 2-3 weeks. You lie like a dog when you say it was a matter of hours. Ask anyone in my ally how it was. They will all say you lie.
3) get overyourself :)

It wasn't jizz it was just us... and you ALL hit sleepmode... didn't even try and put up a proper resistance... you also wasted our time making us check when you came out of sleep... and jizz hit everyone for hours on end, we all dealt with it.

[Alcibiades]

It wasn't jizz it was just us... and you ALL hit sleepmode... didn't even try and put up a proper resistance... you also wasted our time makin gus check when you came out of sleep... and jizzz hit everyone for hours on end, we all dealt with it.

It was the worst possible time of the round for us to be hit (as many of us were unavailable or otherwise busy); we aren't all terrific players who are active and contactable at the drop of a hat; and we *all* hit sleepmode because we were given the order. I'm not saying we would have won or anything; but everyone has bad days, and that was simply one of them. Admittedly us going into sleep was a mistake but that was one mistake of very few she made out of the time we were an ally, so it would be kind of you to give her credit where credit is due otherwise you seem like spiteful, petulant children.

Anywho, I'm pretty sure this is irrelevant to the original topic of this thread.

[Twigley]

get you're facts right before making sweeping statements like that
k thnks bai

Im talking about past rounds aswell and how they influence future rounds.
K thanks bai.


1) You've never played with me so you can't say that I'm a crap player.
3) get overyourself :)

1) The irony. You havn't played with many of the players in my alliance. Call them untalented and expect a retort. Hypocrite.
2) The irony. Get over yourself.

[BlackWolf]

As long as this hilariously named TBA doesnt hit each others they are just one alliance with 3 wings.
Simple as that, they have not shown us 1 single attacks between their alliances. They most likely have every ID of each others on NAP lists and as such no matter how much Twigley tells his lies of "new players who somehow managed to make such start they are in top" there is nothing to prove him to be telling truth.

Unlike twigley who seems to think that everything we say in public, we oldtime leadrs are despite our ingame flame wars in good terms with each others. We can have a chat and throw some jokes. We never confuse peronality to actual playing of game. So when I see someone coming here and telling how IoF or me "dont like" of someone and we do things cause of that it is worst kind of insult towrds us as persons.

We are adults and we can work with people we dont like, we can act friendly towards people we dont like. So please Twigley grow up a bit and realize that we dont dislike you as persons, we dislike how you play, lead and lie about things ingame. Dont confuse that to outside bushtarion feelings.

All in all TBA unless proven other is just big alliance of multiple wings, even if they powerblock their way to top and then fight they have shown how they are one big block and only will fight out of boredom. To me alliance that denies of being part of winged alliance would need to show something in battlefield too not in BS messages on forums. You can say what ever you want but I say we want to see you standing behind those words too...

Go overlude vs Ini vs Grannies war!

[Twigley]

Simple as that, they have not shown us 1 single attacks between their alliances.


* Show me your attacks against War? Huh?
* Show me your attacks against Thermodynamic.
* Show me your attacks against Discworld.

You MUST be with them if you havn't massed them?!?!

[BlackWolf]

Why would I need to mass someone to show I am not with them? I have not also co attacked with them to anyone. There is no reason for anyone to suspect I am in ally with any of those alliances. We have received attacks from probably all of them and given our share back.

Unlike your teams seems to be working together to take others out.

Please if you want to start flame wars like this, at least try to do it with some stuff that has some bottom in it. Going head first to quicksand is not the best way to prove for you to be right.

[Twigley]

going head first to quicksand is not the best way to prove for you to be right.

qft.

[Garrett]

Garrett - I'm merely excercising my right to ensure information posted here is as close to fact as possible.

Don't think I can be shot for making sure the truth is the truth?

-

To all:
Reiteration of aforementioned warning from Pin. Please keep this thread as polite as you can.

no one asked for truth. your 1 side can't be fact. feel free to try again.

Why would I need to mass someone to show I am not with them? I have not also co attacked with them to anyone. There is no reason for anyone to suspect I am in ally with any of those alliances. We have received attacks from probably all of them and given our share back.

Unlike your teams seems to be working together to take others out.

Please if you want to start flame wars like this, at least try to do it with some stuff that has some bottom in it. Going head first to quicksand is not the best way to prove for you to be right.

twigley's online persona is out of control. there is no reasoning with it. the problem is him believing what he says

[Dark_Angel]

My one side can't be fact? Does that suggest that a person can never be correct? If so, that statement is quite simply absurd.

-

Also Garrett, please stop double posting on this thread. I have edited your last two posts into one.

[Garrett]

lololol. being correct is one thing. having a proven fact is another. being correct is subjective.

lolololol.

[Alicus]

So, who are the bad kids this time?

[Inferno]

DiscWorld. that is all.

[harriergirl]

1) The irony. You havn't played with many of the players in my alliance. Call them untalented and expect a retort. Hypocrite.


You are right. I was told the 6 allies attacking us were doing it under your command and I went with that info.

Also I apologise to your army. I have no basis to say they are untalented. They are hardworking and active and obviously want to win and I can't begrudge them that.

As far as the comments I made about you personally, they stand.

[BlackWolf]

You are right. I was told the 6 allies attacking us were doing it under your command and I went with that info.

Also I apologise to your army. They are hardworking and active and obviously want to win and I can't begrudge them that.

As far as the comments I made about you personally, they stand.
You forgot to mention that his "noob alliances" are actually alliances without much real noobs. :P

[n0c0ntr0l]

You are right. I was told the 6 allies attacking us were doing it under your command and I went with that info.

Also I apologise to your army. I have no basis to say they are untalented. They are hardworking and active and obviously want to win and I can't begrudge them that.

As far as the comments I made about you personally, they stand.

Only know you realize that, after using the same 'powerblock' tactics that we supposedly did with you, and us using it as a chance for extra land. Nobody ever called your lineup bad. We all begrudged you guy's respect when you got off to an amazing start, and you should at least has given us a bit for managing to hold you guy's off, rather than whining with excuses. As for you personal opinions on twigley, whilst you are entitled to them, I feel that they are not all that well founded at all.

[Garrett]

so you approve then of twigley organizing his 'noobs' to terrorize the #bush chan to make things harder on people because he doesn't agree with it?

Doesn't sound like an upstanding person to me. The fact with no flaming is that he and his minions went to trash IRC and got booted for it. So yes, as a fact, twigley resorts to this and other less than upstanding tactics when he feels slighted.

/me polishes your rose colored lenses.


Now, can we get back to the warring?

[Twigley]

Lol, you think i organised that spam?
Rofl - "Twigley's spammers" :D

If you stick around i am also involved with:

* Twigley's marathon runners.
* Twigley's cuban drug traders.
* Twigley's Iraqi people.
* Twigley's gay rights paraders.

Please Garret ;)

[Garrett]

so you deny spamming, being booted, coming back as a different name to avoid the ban to spam more? It was just coincedence that your mates joined you?

If you do deny, then you need to be committed because of suspected delusional problems. At this point I'm really concerned for your well being. Someone is feeding your ego and we need to post warning signs.

[Twigley]

so you deny spamming, being booted, coming back as a different name to avoid the ban to spam more?.

I deny this:

"twigley organizing his 'noobs' to terrorize the #bush chan"

If you can't read the words " i organised " or read any post then i feel sorry for you.
And Garret, please don't talk about ego's, you are becoming worse then your wife.
K thx bai.

[Alicus]

Twigley you fail, lol.

[BlackWolf]

I will not go to anything that has happend on IRC or about twigs personality as I think even I may be idiot I am still above such level. Must ask tho how long someone can do same mistakes in IRC etc before those are punished on game level? Forever?

Yet I am forced now to ask... How does this 1 of our "not wings" gets massed and others retaliate work in situation of 3 non allied alliances?

You like saw suddenly easy acres where they were not before? Like only AFTER miraculously one of alliance in game got attacked... so instead of joining others and taking them out like every alliance aiming to win would do. (Taking that you have said you will try to do your best).

I would very much want to hear what lie you pull out of your hat to answer such simple question:
Why did these 2 alliances that are "not related" to this third (or so you claim which no one believes) retaliated attackers of that 3rd by your saying unrelated alliance?

I am sure all but your peons are eagerly waiting for Twigleys respond to such simple question.

[Martin]

I only come on the internet to make friends <3

[harriergirl]

This thread is devolving quickly .. Back to alliance wars.

[Garrett]

I deny this:

"twigley organizing his 'noobs' to terrorize the #bush chan"

If you can't read the words " i organised " or read any post then i feel sorry for you.
And Garret, please don't talk about ego's, you are becoming worse then your wife.
K thx bai.


I am as I always have been. I've not changed my tone, attitude or any other manner of being here in the many years I've been here. I'm not declaring anything other than your presentation of your image is much better than it really is. I did not say I was better than you and I did not make any boasts. So where am I showing ego? You are now just spouting to flame and troll and I shall say good day to you sir. As Alicus puts it delicately 'you fail'.

[Twigley]

This thread is devolving quickly .. Back to alliance wars.

In reply to Blackwolf:

I said my tactics will change, and i was asked to hit a certain alliance and thats the decision Overlude made.

[BlackWolf]

I hereby offically ask Overlude to hit Inimical, which is in 30k+ lead. I will join this attack with my alliances.

[Alicus]

I am as I always have been. I've not changed my tone, attitude or any other manner of being here in the many years I've been here. I'm not declaring anything other than your presentation of your image is much better than it really is. I did not say I was better than you and I did not make any boasts. So where am I showing ego? You are now just spouting to flame and troll and I shall say good day to you sir. As Alicus puts it delicately 'you fail'.


/signed for agreeing with me :ldovey:

[n0c0ntr0l]

I will not go to anything that has happend on IRC or about twigs personality as I think even I may be idiot I am still above such level. Must ask tho how long someone can do same mistakes in IRC etc before those are punished on game level? Forever?

Yet I am forced now to ask... How does this 1 of our "not wings" gets massed and others retaliate work in situation of 3 non allied alliances?

You like saw suddenly easy acres where they were not before? Like only AFTER miraculously one of alliance in game got attacked... so instead of joining others and taking them out like every alliance aiming to win would do. (Taking that you have said you will try to do your best).

I would very much want to hear what lie you pull out of your hat to answer such simple question:
Why did these 2 alliances that are "not related" to this third (or so you claim which no one believes) retaliated attackers of that 3rd by your saying unrelated alliance?

I am sure all but your peons are eagerly waiting for Twigleys respond to such simple question.

Twigs was not around for this much, however I will tell you that we benifited far better by hitting Chance than if we had turned on Sexeh Granneh's as well. And you cannot deny it was a good opportunity to do so.

[pinpower]

This thread is devolving quickly .. Back to alliance wars.

Just to reiterate what HG said. By all means get into a discussion about tactics and in-game wars, but please leave any personal comments out of this thread. Any further flaming/trolling will result in official warnings.

:-)

[Davis]

so you approve then of twigley organizing his 'noobs' to terrorize the #bush chan to make things harder on people because he doesn't agree with it?

Doesn't sound like an upstanding person to me. The fact with no flaming is that he and his minions went to trash IRC and got booted for it. So yes, as a fact, twigley resorts to this and other less than upstanding tactics when he feels slighted.

/me polishes your rose colored lenses.


Now, can we get back to the warring?

I'd like to say, that i was in the channel that was being said "everyone say this or that in #bushtarion" twigley wasn't even online durring the worst of it, twigley was rarely the perosn that said lets spam, it was mainly just a few members messing around, the main thing that twigley has done is that
W
T
F
...
but the majority of the spam was not forced upon, asked of or anything to do with him .


P.S.

DarkSider: Any last words?
Davis: *much love* to Lukey's sister
*Edited out by DS*
Davis: Lukey's sister offers me her virginity
*edited out by ds*

That is all

[Steve_God]

If you stick around i am also involved with:
* Twigley's marathon runners.
* Twigley's cuban drug traders.
* Twigley's Iraqi people.
* Twigley's gay rights paraders.
I would like to add to the list 'Twigley's GILF Carnival' \o/

[Twigley]

I hereby offically ask Overlude to hit Inimical, which is in 30k+ lead. I will join this attack with my alliances.

I hereby ask you to attack Chance.
If you don't then Chance is clearly under your control.

Get my point?

[BlackWolf]

No I dont get your point.
I have not attacked anyone with chance. We have fought our battles and both sides have had their losses. We have had our small "war" going since last sunday.

Instead you are clearly working with 3 wings as you retaliate those attacking your other wings. Despite all you said. So it is clear at least now to us all that you are lieing here with all this "individual alliances" BS.

You are one alliance with 3 wings simple as that.

[Steve_God]

You are one alliance with 3 wings simple as that.
We're not one alliance.
Example:
In the absence of myself or my right hand man being online, Sexeh_Grannies would not get involved in any attacks, and vis~versa for the others. Orders for my members come through myself and one other - no others from outside alliances.

As Leaders, at present we choose to work together in groups attacks because it makes sense. It's a more successful way of gaining land, and I trust the other leaders (for the time being :-P) not to backstab my ally at a whims notice, as other allies/leaders have done in previous rounds. (And before you ask DarkSider, no I won't mention names) :-P

Anyway... I won't dwell on the point as many already have their views... but I would like to make a comment about BlackWolfs tactics this round after spy scanning him yesterday for ID lists... swapping members around within your two wings to assist with defence... clever idea! Also confussed the hell out of me while I was spy scanning IDs and got several who all had defending links with 30+ similar ids come up on it! :-P

[No-Dachi]

Afaik Azzer added a delay to prevent swapping members for the sake of defence. I can't remember the excact time, but I reckon he made it long enough to actually work. As long as that's the case then the only reason to be swapping members would be to even out the wings, and confuse intel-gatherers. Not really on topic I know, but for clarifications sake.

[BlackWolf]

We're not one alliance.
Example:
In the absence of myself or my right hand man being online, Sexeh_Grannies would not get involved in any attacks, and vis~versa for the others. Orders for my members come through myself and one other - no others from outside alliances.

I dont see how that is relevant. Retaliating is retaliating. It has nothing to do with "working together to get max acres" It was retaliation with 3 wings of one alliance to alliance that attacked one of your wings. When those orders are carried out has nothing to do with why something was done. You say for acres... yet Inimical has 3 times the acres of Chance and you didnt attack them but alliance below you.

You can keep telling your BS here all you want, but fact is that there has not been one single attack between 3 wings of your (yes I call them wings), there has not been and will not be any attacks between those alliances and you are attacking together to take competitors down as well as you are retaliating to anyone who attacks to one of your wings with force of all of your wings.

Please I ask you kindly to save your face Stvey_God some of us had some respect for you. Now you are merely a puppet of Twigleys and shouting the crap of his like it would be yours. If anyone else would do same as you people do you would be same way making this kind of posts to forums. And you would say exactly same arguements as I do.

You and your 3 wings have not shown any kind of reason for anyone to believe you to be anything else but one alliance and 3 wings. As long as you keep acting like that and dont give us reason to believe anything else, all that comes out of your mouth are just BS and lies. Show us some reason to believe you.

You all have stated how you want to get good rank etc. Inim is running away in acres and score. Yet no Grannies and Overlude have attacked Inimical. Yet they seem to work with Inim to take down alliances below you all 3, alliances that could take part in resistance against away running Inim. So if all you say about not being allied and trying to get as good rank as possible is true then why your actions are clearly stating against it.

Untill the day we hear a single truth coming from twigs wings....

Yeah btw. Ofc we use Azzers lack of doing anything to things as our advantage. He promised to add 6tick moving time after accept but has not done so, yes I contacted Azzer weeks before round and even reminded him of it week before round started, everyone can check my post from forums about me wanting "cooldown" time to players after acceptance and actual entering. One of reasons I told him about it was exactly cause it allows fast swap to cover incomings. Azzer has not done anything to it and as such we use it as our advantage. I personally think it is stupid system to exists but I dont get any morale downs from using it cause its there.

[f0xx]

Alright, first I would like to say that this is not a personal shot at any player/leader/alliance. I will just like to point out a few facts.

1. At the start, War?Huh? was massed by 6 alliance (including the 3 alliances known as Sexeh_grannies, Inimical and Overlude) because they were getting ahead. How ahead? I will answer, we had exactly 50% more acres than the rank 2 alliance. We had 25k they had something like 16/17k. Currently Inimical has 110k while Overlude and SG are around 73k which means they have more than 50% acre advantage. Shall we preapre our troops to attack them Twigley, Steve?

2. War?Huh? was still getting HUGE incomings even when we dropped to rank 3/4 and even after our land was much lower than Ini, SG, Over's land. The incomings were mostly from JJ's alliance with some members from SG and Overlude tagging along.

3. In the old forum's Twigley's recruiting thread he mentioned he was recruiting members for a multi wing alliance.

4. Twigley gets extremely annoyed when people call Inimical, SG and Overlude "Twigley's alliances". A normal person would never be annoyed if people refer to other alliances as his unless he wants the public to believe that he has nothing to do with those other 2 allliances.


Now here are few things which I do not know for sure 100%. They have something like 99% of truth in them.

1. SG, Overlude and Inimical have each other's IDs since day 1.
2. SG, Overlude and Inimical have a cooperative channel with their members in it.

I have solid prooves for those two things, it still does not mean they are 100% true though. For me personally, they are.


Based on those four facts and those two assumptions I can make my final third assumption -> Inimical, Sexeh_grannies and Overlude have made a pre-round start agreement to work together against others. I do not know if this agreemint is going to last for a whole round or will it be a "once all opposition is pretty much so dead or so behind that they do not matter" one, but it doesn't really matter.

From now on till the end of this post, I will refer to SG, Overlude and Inimical with the name TBA.

Can either of the two TBA's leaders (Steve_God or Twigley) come here and disapprove any of my assumptions? (Two because JJ's repuration is so bad anyway that another lie would not do any harm to it). Both Twigley and Steve said that TBA is not a powerblock, if my funal assumption is correct though, then TBA IS a poweblock.

And finally I will remind again that this is not a shot at any member/player/leader. I would just like to clear a few things out since DS's interview is full of propaganda (which is how it should be) and Steve and Twigley seem to think that if their agreement is not a full round one they are not a powerblock.

What I find funny though, is how both Twigley and Steve who said their allies are just training/fun allies (and I believe they are) have both said that TBA is not a powerblock, which is just because they believe that if their agreement is not a full round one they are not. JJ on the other hand hasn't said a word. That is understandable because he perfectly realises what is going and realises what is going on and will try to take as much advantage of the sistuation as posible since his alliance clearly is a pure FTW (this is proved by the current rankings and Steve and Twigley's words that JJ's ally is full of pro's). He knows that if people realise that TBA actually IS a powerblock they will start bonding together and resisting (which will happen eventually but he must postpone it in time so they can grow big enough). That is why I am asking Twigley/steve to disapprove my assumption since it will cost nothing to JJ to tell a lie.

So what he wants to do is let others fight amongs each other (Chance and BW) so TBA can deal with War?Huh?. Once we are dead they will focus on Chance and once they are dead they will go for BW. Then he will rely on the fact that his ally will be bigger and more active and will try to take Overlude and SG.

Twigley and Steve_god on the other hand want the same thing, but once TBA brakes they will rely on the fact that JJ's alliance will be bigger and them two can form a resistance against it (might even include outside help, after all this will prove that they are not a powerblock) and once JJ is dead they can fight it amongst themselves.

[BlackWolf]

What I find funny though, is how both Twigley and Steve who said their allies are just training/fun allies (and I believe they are)
Fun allies? Werent they supposed to be noob alliances too?
Alliances that kicked the crap out of Ogluks team, my team (where actually are noobs), IoF etc.
I wonder if these guys really believe their noob stuff themselves. Let them explain what ever they like of how they teached these noobs to start fact just is that no newbie alliance could ever rank that high and compete at start specially if theres so much competition around. Taking War huh, inimical, Ogluk, IoF all have "pretty" experienced groups.

I have spent this round more time explaining how attacking works and what about ratios units have, that I bet all of those 3 twigs alliances together.

[f0xx]

Iirc, Twigley didn't say they were noob alliances. He said that he had players who still haven't proved themselves, which means that they haven't played in FTW alliance before, not that they are noobs.

There are A LOT of players out there who actually play better than some of the vets, they just need the chance to bond with others like them.

Twigley/Steve gave them that chance. Thumbs up for that.

[BlackWolf]

"Twigley> TBA is full of noobs with a few EXP players helping them understand the game with a cool route set up and a good community. BW - STFU."

From first page

[Twigley]

That essay was cute f0xx :P
But i'm not going to repeat myself again.

[f0xx]

That essay was cute f0xx :P
But i'm not going to repeat myself again.

So, you will not disapprove any of my assumptions?

[Twigley]

Ok, ill repeat myself, again.

1) It wasn't 6. And it has been done to me before (RedTube) because people knew we had the best group. Then it wasn't done to the next person on top. It's happened before to the top ally with the best players.

2) Like everyone has said, i wasn't around for it but no officer in Overlude gave the order to keep attacking; however if a member did it wouldnt of been a bad move. (But they didnt).

3) Overlude and Sexeh_Grannies like i have already said. Re-read about mine and Steves discussion of having the same idea.

4) My name always gets dragged through the **** by the same people. So yes - ofc i will be annoyed people are making me to be the leader of 3 alliances when i am not. Like i;ve already said.

1) Wrong.
2) Wrong.

Again, take no offence to anything i say im just clearly annoyed nobody has read what i have been typing. Ty.

[BlackWolf]

Ok, ill repeat myself, again.

1) It wasn't 6. And it has been done to me before (RedTube) because people knew we had the best group. Then it wasn't done to the next person on top. It's happened before to the top ally with the best players.

2) Like everyone has said, i wasn't around for it but no officer in Overlude gave the order to keep attacking; however if a member did it wouldnt of been a bad move. (But they didnt).

3) Overlude and Sexeh_Grannies like i have already said. Re-read about mine and Steves discussion of having the same idea.

4) My name always gets dragged through the **** by the same people. So yes - ofc i will be annoyed people are making me to be the leader of 3 alliances when i am not. Like i;ve already said.

1) Wrong.
2) Wrong.

Again, take no offence to anything i say im just clearly annoyed nobody has read what i have been typing. Ty.

Still not attacking Inimical and still retaliating attackers of any of your 3 wings. Still attacking smaller alliances together with rank 1 alliance that is running away. So please keep this BS stuff coming.

[Twigley]

...i'm not going to repeat myself again...

[Garrett]

Ok, ill repeat my propaganda, again.


You must not be as solid in believing your half truths (heavily contradicted by some of your own people I've talked to in IRC) as you said you weren't going over it again and then went over it again on the same page. As far as dragging your name anywhere, you do a good job on your own and requires no effort on our part. Ty.

[Twigley]

I slept with Hillary Duff, Tara Reid and George Bush all at the same time.

But i dont have any real proof.
Gg Garret.
Keep the little insults coming.

[BlackWolf]

Ohh no Garrett Twigley cant lie...;) everything he has done has only benefitted his alliance... too bad he still doesnt remember to correct that his alliance = 3 wings together named TBA

[f0xx]

Ok, ill repeat myself, again.

1) It wasn't 6. And it has been done to me before (RedTube) because people knew we had the best group. Then it wasn't done to the next person on top. It's happened before to the top ally with the best players.

2) Like everyone has said, i wasn't around for it but no officer in Overlude gave the order to keep attacking; however if a member did it wouldnt of been a bad move. (But they didnt).

3) Overlude and Sexeh_Grannies like i have already said. Re-read about mine and Steves discussion of having the same idea.

4) My name always gets dragged through the **** by the same people. So yes - ofc i will be annoyed people are making me to be the leader of 3 alliances when i am not. Like i;ve already said.

1) Wrong.
2) Wrong.

Again, take no offence to anything i say im just clearly annoyed nobody has read what i have been typing. Ty.

No need to disapprove the facts Twigely (the first four).

What I am interested about is why do you recruit people for 2 (3?) alliances if you are not going to give eachother's IDs and have a same channel? That sees EXTREMELY out of logic.

[Twigley]

Read what you said again.


1. SG, Overlude and Inimical have each other's IDs since day 1.
2. SG, Overlude and Inimical have a cooperative channel with their members in it.


I have never had Inimicals Id's since day 1 and take Inimical out of the 2nd sentance.

[f0xx]

Ah, I appologise then. The powerblock is just SG and Overlude then. Smartly played by JJ. I would have done the same on his place :)

[BlackWolf]

Yeah so Inimical retaliates whom ever attacks SG, they are not attacking Overlude & SG and as such at least THEY have those IDs but have not given their IDs back? Beasides what if he had those IDs since day 2... didnt he were away or something...

[Twigley]

Overlude + SG = Ethereal + RoyalFlush.

:>

And rofl BW ... now you are so obsessed in my ware abouts in life!
Go outside :o

I was on from Friday -> Monday. ;)

[BlackWolf]

I at least admit here that we have not attacked anyone to retaliate anything and are not working together with any alliance but our 2. We do not have NAPs/allies with anyone else and we are as neutral/hostile towards everyone. We dont go around telling BS lies of our alliance and try to make it look anything what it is not.
From beginning I have been honest in everything I have said about my alliance or I simply have not answered the questions or made some joke about those questions. No alliance so far out of yours has come to accuse me of powerblocking or anything like that, so dont try to drag me to be the "bad boy"/"powerblocker" here. Thank you.

Still no response from Overlude to my offical request to join attacking Rank 1 which is running away, and still Overlude has not formed resistance itself or with SG against them, unlike did with another top alliance running away.
Also still not single attacks have happend between whole 3 wings of Twigs.

Changing story on the fly Twigs doesnt make you to be seen any more believable than your other lies have.

[Twigley]

How have i changed story?
Lol.

I admit Overlude and SG are working together just like you own two alliances (Expect they are controlled by 2 different people - so who is worse????)

Don't make out that you are some kind of saint.
YOU controll TWO alliances.
Twice more than everyone else.
No other person controlls more alliances than Blackwolf.


And don't speak lies of you being neutral to everyone.
I have already posted logs of you wanting to hit Chance.


" Session Ident: Blackwolf (NetGamers, Twigley) (BW@BlackWolf.users.netgamers.org)
<Blackwolf> lo
<Blackwolf> Let me know when you plan to take chance down.
<Blackwolf> We are in
Session Time: Mon Feb 16 00:00:00 2009 "

And stop editing your original posts :S

[f0xx]

Lol to be honest I stand by Twigley's side on this one.

SG + Overlude are nothing different from RF and Ethereal.

Blackwolf gets a lot of respect from me for teaching new people, but what I said above is true.

If Twigley + SG (Steve_god/Sexeh Grannies - well though Steve) win the round they will still be flamed that they are a powerblock. If BW does, then you will still be flamed you have a powerblock, no matter what you guys are leading and the skill level of your members.

Politics are politics, an snap (temporary one) is a perfectly good and smart tactic.

[BlackWolf]

How have i changed story?
Lol.

I admit Overlude and SG are working together just like you own two alliances (Expect they are controlled by 2 different people - so who is worse????)

Don't make out that you are some kind of saint.
YOU controll TWO alliances.
Twice more than everyone else.
No other person controlls more alliances than Blackwolf.


And don't speak lies of you being neutral to everyone.
I have already posted logs of you wanting to hit Chance.


" Session Ident: Blackwolf (NetGamers, Twigley) (BW@BlackWolf.users.netgamers.org)
<Blackwolf> lo
<Blackwolf> Let me know when you plan to take chance down.
<Blackwolf> We are in
Session Time: Mon Feb 16 00:00:00 2009 "

And stop editing your original posts :S

That last part makes me some kind of bad guy? I dont control more than one alliance, if I would then I would be a multi and punished by Azzer. So please go throw your bolded lines to someone else.

You have denied whole TBA untill last 2 posts, you have still not stated what is your relations to JJ and Inimical. You have not shown any kind of interest to attack alliance that is leading and you keep bursting your BS here thread after thread.

You are 3 wings of 1 alliance as long as we dont see any battles. You have not offically stated anywhere to have only SNAP or what ever you want to call it with Inimical, you have not actually admitted anything untill saying you and SG only work together... Untill that you kept telling how there are no wings, no allies nothing your 3 wings were not really wings but only working together cause it helped all 3 alliances etc... which were just proved to be lies by you yourself.

That I call changing story on the fly.

[Dark_Angel]

I fail to see why so there is so much uproar about alliance's working together.

SG had inc from 3 alliances the yesterday (TDL, WH and Chance), just as WH had (the majority of its inc) from 3 last week.

Do you see any of SG launching at the leaders of TDL, WH and Chance for having a stab at us?

Furthermore, why it is such a big issue that leaders of sNap'd alliances "play-down" their sNAPs, indeed perhaps even deny them altogether, is also beyond me. This is a game that relies heavily on information, so what if Twigley says one thing one minute and another the next? Misdirection is a powerful tool in this game, one that can win and lose wars.

Everyone uses misdirection and deceit, they're best ways to hide intent and purpose.

Bottom line is this. There's no rule against alliances working together, we're agreed on that much? So stop complaining.

As for people not coming right out and saying "Yes we're this, we're that, we're snapped with these guys, we're enemies with you" - if you think people are going to be that honest in a game in which rumours and hear say can start wars, you're really just a little bit deluded :P

[IceOfFire]

You guys are really really managing to kill an originally good thread...pfft

I think the answer is no one really cares about this petty arguement.

[BlackWolf]

Come on dont ruin our fun IoF... We realy enjoy to hear Twigs telling his lies and gettnig caught of those time after time. We also love to watch him ripping his game pants every time someone says "Twigleys 3 wings" or so.

[Twigley]

Blackwolf i find it funny how you construct an arguement.

First you start with a lie.
Then you make your own facts up and try back them up with some twisted logic.
Then you try twist it around to the other person and then pre-guess what everyone is thinking.
Then you make yourself look like an ass.

Personally i am the one laughing at you and your 2 alliances which you have already admitted you are in controll of.

If you wanna use the arguement of "I dont controll 2 allies or else i'd be multi - YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT ME IN THIS WHOLE THREAD SO STOP WITH YOUR STUPID ASS LOGIC!

So stop changing YOUR story,
take YOUR 2 alliances,
and STOP moaning.

[Ahead]

Tbh I'm disappointed that you've ruined this thread.. it was a good read until the arguments started. Really really pointless because it's just one person posts something defending their lies with even more lies and accusing the other person; then the other person does the same.

Start a new thread for it if you want the petty arguments if it makes you feel better if you're not known by everyone to have 2/3 allies.

But from an unbiased viewpoint, just so the truth is out there. Twigley may not be leading all 3 allies, but it was his idea for them. Overlude (twigs' ally), Sexeh_Grannies (Steve_God's ally) and Inimical (JJ's ally) are very clearly working together, and definitely attacking together and watching each others backs, no doubt about it. BW has 2 permanently snapped allies - well done. Anyone surprised? Everybody knows he does and he admits to it as well so get over it Twigley!

Btw, good work DS :)

[Twigley]

Apologies for ruining this thread.

[Steve_God]

I dont see how that is relevant. Retaliating is retaliating. It has nothing to do with "working together to get max acres".
While Chance were out attacking in mass, it was an opportunity for easy acres - simple as :-)

Fun allies? Werent they supposed to be noob alliances too?
Alliances that kicked the crap out of Ogluks team, my team (where actually are noobs), IoF etc.
n00bs in mass is a beautiful thing :-)
Aim and fire... Aim and fire... :snipersmile:

SG had inc from 3 alliances the yesterday (TDL, WH and Chance), just as WH had (the majority of its inc) from 3 last week.

Do you see any of SG launching at the leaders of TDL, WH and Chance for having a stab at us?
I actually launched Margaret (Age 72, VERY Hot...) in the direction of TDL, WH and Chance on a stealth mission shortly after the attacks... unfortunately I fear that the battery may have ran out in her mobility scooter on the way :shock:

SG (Steve_god/Sexeh Grannies - well though Steve)
Huzzah!!! Sometime finally notices the link! :razz:

I think the answer is no one really cares about this petty arguement.
Well said... cup of tea anyone? :razz:
*puts the kettle on and awaits the next update from DarkSider*

[f0xx]

Huzzah!!! Sometime finally notices the link! :razz:


That is what I tried to do with BuddhaGunners (BGs) last round. Too bad we sucked so much :P

[No-Dachi]

But i'm not going to repeat myself again.

Oh, the irony. ;)

On topic: very good initiative DS. I simply love it.

[BlackWolf]

Blackwolf i find it funny how you construct an arguement.

First you start with a lie.
Then you make your own facts up and try back them up with some twisted logic.
Then you try twist it around to the other person and then pre-guess what everyone is thinking.
Then you make yourself look like an ass.


I wish you could show me the exact parts where I do this all. I doubt you can. I am HC of ViruS and I lead one alliance. I can be called leader of ViruS but there are more than just me. We have HCs or you can call us leaders if it makes it easier for you to understand.

I have not ever tried to say I lead only 1 alliance stuff to cover of having wings. Never will. Yes in game I lead techically one alliance. If not I would be multi. I also technically lead one alliance called ViruS tho I dont do it alone. None of these things I have tried to lie about at any part of the round, or try to refer to technicalities to make my answer half truths.

You have after multiple differently stated questions of mine where I made sure it became clear that I dont mean technical leading of 1 ingame alliance but leading this BS TBA and its 3 wings time after time lied about things. and get caught and now try to flame me and my way to work.

Now you did complete turnover and suddenly admit to have 2 alliances. So you got caught... now we must keep going and maybe you finally admit to have 3rd ally next week.

[Cyrus]

tbh, all of this non-sense started by people using confusing context.

like ahead said, twigley himself isnt running all 3 allis but they are all napped

BW has his 2 allis which are also napped

tbh I/Most couldnt give ten shiney's about twigley mis-guiding people, coz the ones he's facing know whats really going on

[BlackWolf]

My aliances are allied as NAP = non agression pact means no attacking only. It doesnt mean same as retaliating to everyone who threats others of those alliances etc.

As such I dont see how Twigley can keep claiming that he doesnt have 3 alliances as all those obviously are more than just NAP:ed.

[atsanjose]

Well people,
If you all are so damn certain of yourself then why all this talking? :P

seems to me like everyone thinks he's/she's right and no one listens to each other anyway

[pinpower]

If people continue to flame/troll/spam and post generally off topic responses on this thread it WILL be locked. If you cant politely say something sensible dont say anything at all. This is your last warning

[Twigley]

I. Do. Not. Lead. 3. Alliances.

I. Do. Not. Lead. 3. Wings.

I. Have. No. Controll. Over. Any. Alliance. Apart. From. Overlude.

I. Have. No. Influence. Over. Inimical.

I. Have. No. Influence. Over. SG.

I. Do. Not. Lead. "TBA".

I. Only. Lead. Overlude.


This is as simple as it gets.
Try say i am twisting words with what i just said above.

[Alicus]

Didnt you just say a few pages earlier that its you and SG but not Inimical?

Twigley, i think next week you will have contradicted yourself over 9000 times

[Cyrus]

maybe YOU dont lead 3 allis twigley, but i know you organise mass attacks and retals, ive saw IRC logs of you 3 organising to attack some other alli
when we say twigs allis, thats only used to describe your lots 3 allis.

and can someone please link me to someone where a NAP = no attacking each other only

a nap can be anything the participants want it to be, short term, long term, perminant, jsut to not attack, retals...

by looks of it TBA is 3 alliances that are gonna be napped long term, who will retal for each other and attack together, fair doos.

although we all know a fallout will happen LOLZ

[Cyrus]

* FeR[S]|HL changes topic to 'LT: 14:09 - xxx, xxx(Denn,Twigs), xxxx(Eld), xxxx(Marv), xxxx, xxxx, xxxx(Chang), xxxx, xxxx(Den), xxxx(Twun,Abre,FeR), xxxx(n0c0), xxxx, xxxx(Eld,Abre,N0c0), xxxx(Kelsey,Abr), xxxx(Goku,n0c0), xxxx, xxxx(FeR/Den), xxxx(Alche), xxxx(JJB,FeR), xxxx'

all id's edited out, this is the topic of TBA organising an attack from all 3 allis. ;)

[Twigley]

didnt you just say a few pages earlier that its you and sg but not inimical?

Twigley, i think next week you will have contradicted yourself over 9000 times

re-read.
Overlude and sg are snapped.
But i dont lead sg.
Only overlude.


Jesus.

[harriergirl]

Would you like to repeat that again twigs so we can all go on disbelieving you ;)

[Steve_God]

*** changes topic to 'LT: 14:09... [snip]
[Insert "OMG!" "YOU SPIED ON US!" "HOW DARE YOU!" type comments here] :wink:

I blame Barbara... she always invites people in for Tea and Biscuits, she's likes the company! :-P

[Twigley]

Would you like to repeat that again twigs so we can all go on disbelieving you ;)

Would you like to stop repeating yourselfs over and over and over again so i dont have to keep defending myself?

[Inferno]

* FeR[S]|HL changes topic to 'LT: 14:09 - xxx, xxx(Denn,Twigs), xxxx(Eld), xxxx(Marv), xxxx, xxxx, xxxx(Chang), xxxx, xxxx(Den), xxxx(Twun,Abre,FeR), xxxx(n0c0), xxxx, xxxx(Eld,Abre,N0c0), xxxx(Kelsey,Abr), xxxx(Goku,n0c0), xxxx, xxxx(FeR/Den), xxxx(Alche), xxxx(JJB,FeR), xxxx'

all id's edited out, this is the topic of TBA organising an attack from all 3 allis. ;)

Hey! LT:14:09? that was not a very nice thing to do! i also see you lot are back for more! how nice of you. i got 12bill bounty from that just for killing a tonne of you.

shame there is no honour in the kill, and im sure you all feel good.

still the manky dogs will be put down soon enough ;)

[Elderveld]

This community has a need to try and bring down any alliance that seems to win, by flames on the forum towards someone who they all think is leading. Just because they get killed by them. U can set ur clock for it, and ive seen it happen on irc.

And in the past round, it happens to be twigley ALL THE TIME.

His alliance may or may not be working together whit 2 others, but doesnt any other alliance do this? ALL ALLIANCE WORK TOGETHER, in the start, after 3 weeks or the last week...
Resistance/payback or easy land or watever the reason might be.

Plans might chance for one of the ally in this matter, and might hit them, WHO KNOWS?

Blackwolf has 2 alliances, but i dont hear anyone flaming him he has 2 alliances? and that might just be the fact that his alliance isnt currently rank 1.


And in this weekend or the next week, The other alliances will most likely work together to bring these alliances down, can he flame u back then? or is that something TOTALY different?



cheers

[BlackWolf]

and can someone please link me to someone where a NAP = no attacking each other only

a nap can be anything the participants want it to be, short term, long term, perminant, jsut to not attack, retals...

NAP means shortening for non agression pact. It is descriped to mean situation where 2 sides/persons have agreed not to attack each others. In this game you may have been fooled by Azzers faulty naming of personal NAPs as NAPs do not include defending, attacking together etc.

When 2 alliances, persons etc. work together they are allied not NAP:ed. First time I encountered work NAP was before bushtarion even existed. So I suspect my opinion as older to be closer to what it was originally meant to be. Ofc I may be wrong but as shortening states why it wouldnt be like TWP or so if it is meant to be working together? Cause thats same as allied...

Elderveld we all know on whos troops you stand. I have 40 members which is less than 60... I have not lied about my members and amounts unlike Twigley. I have not mass raped other alliances (at least not yet) unlike Twigley. I also dont have allied or in my alliance doesnt belong alliance that is ranked 1 in this game and running away and I do not defend its rank by not attacking it and attacking everyone who could attack it.

[Matthew]

so you approve then of twigley organizing his 'noobs' to terrorize the #bush chan to make things harder on people because he doesn't agree with it?

Doesn't sound like an upstanding person to me. The fact with no flaming is that he and his minions went to trash IRC and got booted for it. So yes, as a fact, twigley resorts to this and other less than upstanding tactics when he feels slighted.

/me polishes your rose colored lenses.


Now, can we get back to the warring?

Really do not understand these allusions that are constantly pointed towards Twigley, you are giving him far more credit than he deserves.

[Twigley]

I have 40 members which is less than 60... I have not lied about my members and amounts unlike Twigley.

Someone guess what im going to say.
Go on.
Yup!


Blackwolf - I lead 20 people.

[Elderveld]

Elderveld we all know on whos troops you stand. I have 40 members which is less than 60... I have not lied about my members and amounts unlike Twigley. I have not mass raped other alliances (at least not yet) unlike Twigley. I also dont have allied or in my alliance doesnt belong alliance that is ranked 1 in this game and running away and I do not defend its rank by not attacking it and attacking everyone who could attack it.


Then wat is the problem here? i realy dont see any form of usefullness of this whole flaming towards twigley if he is or not lying.

If u all 'Know' he does this or that. Why ask him 234 times?
If he lies about it, big deal, it doesnt chance anything!

This is one of the things i never looked on forums, way to serious man, its a game.

[IceOfFire]

WE ARE GOING IN ONE GIANT CIRCLE!!!!

TBF twigs, when you:

Attack together - Proven by Cyrus' post
Retal for each other - Proven on Chance
Share chat rooms together - Proven by Cyru's post

Ya kinda are working together as a power block. You should just admit it, this whole thread is going in circles and boring as hell!

Let me guess at ur reply - I only lead 20 ppl.

We aint stupid so cut the ****.

[Twigley]

You are stupid if you think that i lead more than 20 people.

[BlackWolf]

You can freaking lead no people if it makes you happy your alliance is still ALLIED to 2 other alliances and working with them.
Denie that.

Arguements?
Attack together - Proven by Cyrus' post
Retal for each other - Proven on Chance
Share chat rooms together - Proven by Cyru's post

[rooney]

4. Twigley gets extremely annoyed when people call Inimical, SG and Overlude "Twigley's alliances". A normal person would never be annoyed if people refer to other alliances as his unless he wants the public to believe that he has nothing to do with those other 2 allliances.

maybe we should refer to them as Steve_gods alliances then. same thing, but this was twigs wont get annoyed about it ;)

[Garrett]

steve_god will you get twigley to organize a hit on inimical?

or is that like hitting yourself? i'd hate jj to email you constantly 'stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself'

[Dark_Angel]

WE ARE GOING IN ONE GIANT CIRCLE!!!!

TBF twigs, when you:

Attack together - Proven by Cyrus' post
Retal for each other - Proven on Chance
Share chat rooms together - Proven by Cyru's post

Ya kinda are working together as a power block. You should just admit it, this whole thread is going in circles and boring as hell!

Let me guess at ur reply - I only lead 20 ppl.

We aint stupid so cut the ****.

I'm in S_G, I can confirm Twigley only leads Overlude.

I take orders from Steve and thats it :P

In-game orders, just to clarify that. =P

[Steve_God]

maybe we should refer to them as Steve_gods alliances then. same thing, but this was twigs wont get annoyed about it ;)
If you must insist on referring to the three alliances as a group, I would appreciate if we were known as: 'The TBA GILF Lovers'.
Can't say anyone else would appreciate it though! :-P lol

steve_god will you get twigley to organize a hit on inimical?
If we were going to hit Inimical, you think I'd leave it up to Twigley? Seriously? He can't organise a pi... ummm... drinking festival in a brewery ;-)

[_Jt_]

New guy Posts in the big dogs thread :bad-words:

All i see is :agrue:

Stop Whining and stop arguing Whats the point?

Cant we just be friends and have some fun fighting? :symp2:

Thebiggertheyaretheharderthefall

[marvin]

New guy Posts in the big dogs thread :bad-words:

All i see is :agrue:

Stop Whining and stop arguing Whats the point?

Cant we just be friends and have some fun fighting? :symp2:

Thebiggertheyaretheharderthefall

You sir, are the win.

[Cyrus]

new guy posts in the big dogs thread :bad-words:

All i see is :agrue:

Stop whining and stop arguing whats the point?

Cant we just be friends and have some fun fighting? :symp2:

thebiggertheyaretheharderthefall

qft

[pinpower]

Hopefully Darksider will put up another "interview" soon!!!! And it would be great if he/someone keeps it up later in the round when there are big wars that we can discuss!

x

[f0xx]

When 3 alliances side to attack an alliance which is smaller than any of them, you know it is a sad day in bushtarion.

You gentlemen, Twigley, Steve_God and JJ couldn't have gone any lower. I salute you, you have reached a new level of patheticness. Some poeple say that it is not important what you have achieved, but how you have achieved it. You showed us that you do not care how you achieve things as long as you achieve them.

As for Twigley and SG, I thought I could expect more "honor" from people who have been playing here for more than 6 years. I guess I was wrong again.

[Cyrus]

When 3 alliances side to attack an alliance which is smaller than any of them, you know it is a sad day in bushtarion.

You gentlemen, Twigley, Steve_God and JJ couldn't have gone any lower. I salute you, you have reached a new level of patheticness. Some poeple say that it is not important what you have achieved, but how you have achieved it. You showed us that you do not care how you achieve things as long as you achieve them.

As for Twigley and SG, I thought I could expect more "honor" from people who have been playing here for more than 6 years. I guess I was wrong again.

i do personally agree with you, i never intend to be part of a powerblock or have permanent allis because i feel i would achieve nothing.
but its a valid tactic and almost garantee's you the win if you have alot of the more pro players, i dont understand how someone would not want to fight for victory though, being handed it takes the fun away for me

[IceOfFire]

i do personally agree with you, i never intend to be part of a powerblock or have permanent allis because i feel i would achieve nothing.
but its a valid tactic and almost garantee's you the win if you have alot of the more pro players, i dont understand how someone would not want to fight for victory though, being handed it takes the fun away for me

I swear the original post of TBA, (on old forums) was to teach new players learn the game and help lead alliances FTW in the future?

Where did that go wrong? Your more likely to put people off with a power block, bashing the **** out of small alliances and players 3v1.

pfft Great round this is going to be!

[Alcibiades]

i swear the original post of tba, (on old forums) was to teach new players learn the game and help lead alliances ftw in the future?

Where did that go wrong? Your more likely to put people off with a power block, bashing the **** out of small alliances and players 3v1.

Pfft great round this is going to be!

qft

[harriergirl]

the rate they keep going they'll be frozen out soon enough
then the rest of us might be able to enjoy the round :)

[Dark_Angel]

You guys are so right.

What the hell are we doing? Attacking? in a War game? WTH :-o

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f0xx, your alliance - in conjunction with Chance, AND TDL, hit S_G during the week. Did you see us coming on here and complaining of your coordinated attacks?

No - because its a valid and very useful way of getting ahead.

So just to clarify - WarHuh?, Chance, and TDL - massing S_G is "ok" - but when S_G, inim, and Overlude hit you, that's omfgz wrong?

hypocrite, tbh :/

[f0xx]

f0xx, your alliance - in conjunction with Chance, AND TDL, hit S_G during the week.

Is this some kind of a joke?

[IceOfFire]

We hit an alliance thats in a Power block and was ranked 5.

You hit ranked 7 alliances 3v1 (just 1 example, all your hits are together)

Polo and us joined forces as we could see our time ticking away, even still thats 2v1 and because we know we have no chance alone"


You guys are just talking such bollocks!! You really are, its so boring to read ur lies time after time. Grow some balls and have fun, cos ur rounds will be so boring soon.

Alci - your so right!! :)

[Alcibiades]

The massing is well uncool, but that's going to happen every round so it just happens to be a negative side effect of the real problem people are pissed off about. That is 3 allies actively working together to crush everyone else in a powerblock. That is unbelievably boring for this game, boring for the players not involved in the powerblock and is killing this game faster and faster and evidently makes players, new and old, not want to play anymore.

i've spent an astonishingly large portion of my bush career 'getting bashed' and it's not so bad with only one or two allies, but a continuous power block is just unacceptably boring and makes this game unspeakably ****. Didn't we get rid of A-Naps ages ago for this very reason?

[rooney]

i just have one question. is it honestly fun to win the round so easily? i mean really how can it be? this is so easy for you lot you might as well not bother turning on your PCs for all the work it would take you...

[alexx]

the funniest part is actually the whine.

[Dark_Angel]

The massing is well uncool, but that's going to happen every round so it just happens to be a negative side effect of the real problem people are pissed off about. That is 3 allies actively working together to crush everyone else in a powerblock. That is unbelievably boring for this game, boring for the players not involved in the powerblock and is killing this game faster and faster and evidently makes players, new and old, not want to play anymore.

i've spent an astonishingly large portion of my bush career 'getting bashed' and it's not so bad with only one or two allies, but a continuous power block is just unacceptably boring and makes this game unspeakably ****. Didn't we get rid of A-Naps ages ago for this very reason?

Your issue appears to be more with the length of the round, than the powerblock itself.

I can see why people are getting annoyed here. Incoming from 3 alliances is enough to piss anyone off. But at the end of the day, there are no rules that say alliances can't work together.

Just be careful before you start flaming the guys involved. Because put simply a number of alliances have worked together this round, just because three have done so more effectively than anyone else, doesn't make that group of individuals "n00bs, dishonourable, or idiots" (or any mix of the three).

It just means they were better organized, better prepared and fought better. (YES, by massing together, so what? Most alliances in the top 8 are "guilty" of the same)

[Cyrus]

Your issue appears to be more with the length of the round, than the powerblock itself.

I can see why people are getting annoyed here. Incoming from 3 alliances is enough to piss anyone off. But at the end of the day, there are no rules that say alliances can't work together.

Just be careful before you start flaming the guys involved. Because put simply a number of alliances have worked together this round, just because three have done so more effectively than anyone else, doesn't make that group of individuals "n00bs, dishonourable, or idiots" (or any mix of the three).

It just means they were better organized, better prepared and fought better. (YES, by massing together, so what? Most alliances in the top 8 are "guilty" of the same)

your mistaking caring for skill. your allis are 'looking' after each other, the rest arent.

[Alcibiades]

Your issue appears to be more with the length of the round, than the powerblock itself.


Uh no, my issue is with the powerblock. next time you'd like to tell me what i'm thinking and what i'm annoyed about, please PM me first to ensure you don't look like an idiot.

Anaps were removed to prevent powerblocks and stagnation of the top. No there is no rule that prevents alliances from working together; but i don't object to allies working together; that would make me a hypocrite, not to mention a boring player. However, I must object rather strenuously to the use of a powerblock.

And I can't see where i said in my posts that you were all n00bs, idiots or dishonourable. I would say that powerblocking is a dishonourable tactic, but i'm not in a position to call the members either idiots or n00bs. I think you're playing the game in a stupid manner that ruins the fun for just about everyone involved and if you take that personally then so be it.

Better organized, certainly, it takes quite some organizational skill to bash one alliance with three, no doubt about it; better prepared is arguable and as for fought better: you think simply because 3 alliances mass 1 with flak and early LETs that you're better fighters? Lol.... wait til everyone is teched up sweetheart then feel free to post that slander.

DA: feel free to address the actual subject of my posts when you answer me, since once again my point sailed right over your head. Read, ponder, understand, *then* post... right?

[BlackWolf]

Keep on going guys, their next arguement is gonna be how I have 2. Dont worry it will come soon.

[f0xx]

Just be careful before you start flaming the guys involved. Because put simply a number of alliances have worked together this round, just because three have done so more effectively than anyone else, doesn't make that group of individuals "n00bs, dishonourable, or idiots" (or any mix of the three).

It just means they were better organized, better prepared and fought better. (YES, by massing together, so what? Most alliances in the top 8 are "guilty" of the same)

Lololol. More effective? Better organised? Haha come on please.

We did not create a powerblock because we cannot take an alliance alone. We do not share the same channel with 2 other alliances. We do not share our IDs with 2 other alliances. We do not attack with 2 other alliances an alliance which is smaller. You call that skill?

Is that how you guys "teach" new players? "Get as much players as possible and then throw them into the enemy". You guys make me sick.

Do you call putting 60 people in 1 channel and changing the topic of it "a better organisation"? Give me a break.

I thought the playerbase and especially the leaders have grown up the phase of making powerblocks and have become more mature. You prove me wrong though.

[IceOfFire]

lololol. More effective? Better organised? Haha come on please.

We did not create a powerblock because we cannot take an alliance alone. We do not share the same channel with 2 other alliances. We do not share our ids with 2 other alliances. We do not attack with 2 other alliances an alliance which is smaller. You call that skill?

Is that how you guys "teach" new players? "get as much players as possible and then throw them into the enemy". You guys make me sick.

Do you call putting 60 people in 1 channel and changing the topic of it "a better organisation"? Give me a break.

I thought the playerbase and especially the leaders have grown up the phase of making powerblocks and have become more mature. You prove me wrong though.

qft

[CFalcon]

I appreciate that 3 alliances working together is very difficult and frustrating to combat, and I'd either be angry or despairing if I was on the receiving end, but I am curious as to why the rest of the top 10, particularly Chance and War, are just lying back and taking it. Aside from this often mentioned attack on SG, I haven't heard of a single properly organised hit. If you're facing a 'powerblock', really, I would have thought, the best course of action is to form your own and take the fight to them. Round 10 anyone?

[n0c0ntr0l]

I appreciate that 3 alliances working together is very difficult and frustrating to combat, and I'd either be angry or despairing if I was on the receiving end, but I am curious as to why the rest of the top 10, particularly Chance and War, are just lying back and taking it. Aside from this often mentioned attack on SG, I haven't heard of a single properly organised hit. If you're facing a 'powerblock', really, I would have thought, the best course of action is to form your own and take the fight to them. Round 10 anyone?

QFT, if complaining isn't working, why aren't you doing something about it... fight fire with fire. Bring your own powerblock to the table, surely it would feel justified.

[f0xx]

If you're facing a 'powerblock', really, I would have thought, the best course of action is to form your own and take the fight to them. Round 10 anyone?

The thing is, we do not have as big playerbase as we used to have in round 10.

Your 3 ally powerblock is basicly 10% of the game.

[Dark_Angel]

Uh no, my issue is with the powerblock. next time you'd like to tell me what i'm thinking and what i'm annoyed about, please PM me first to ensure you don't look like an idiot.

That is unbelievably boring for this game, boring for the players not involved in the powerblock and is killing this game faster and faster and evident

To me when people starting talking about powerblocks making the game boring, I assume they're talking about a round that is too long because the winner is decided so early on.

Also

Your issue appears to be more

"Appears to be" is not an assertion, so don't make out that I said that as If I knew what you were thinking. At the risk of looking silly ;)

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but i don't object to allies working together; that would make me a hypocrite, not to mention a boring player. However, I must object rather strenuously to the use of a powerblock.

That doesn't make a lot of sense when you think about it. A powerblock is just two/three alliances working together, but at the top.

So alliances can only work together if they're outside the top 3? How does that work? When a winged-alliance has some success, and moves into the top 3, their cooperative behaviour is then frowned upon rather than applauded?

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better prepared is arguable Well TBA is looking fairly strong, so I don't see the argument there :P

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DA: feel free to address the actual subject of my posts when you answer me, since once again my point sailed right over your head. Read, ponder, understand, *then* post... right?

Your point didn't sail over my head, as I've just detailed above.

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Lololol. More effective? Better organised? Haha come on please.

We did not create a powerblock because we cannot take an alliance alone. We do not share the same channel with 2 other alliances. We do not share our IDs with 2 other alliances. We do not attack with 2 other alliances an alliance which is smaller. You call that skill?

Is that how you guys "teach" new players? "Get as much players as possible and then throw them into the enemy". You guys make me sick.

Do you call putting 60 people in 1 channel and changing the topic of it "a better organisation"? Give me a break.

I thought the playerbase and especially the leaders have grown up the phase of making powerblocks and have become more mature. You prove me wrong though.

This is a game about winning. The best want to win. If you're telling me when you want everyone to pwomise' to not organise wings before a round starts, when it is the single safest bet to secure a win, you're living in a fantasy land.

I was on the receiving end, but I am curious as to why the rest of the top 10, particularly Chance and War, are just lying back and taking it

QFT :D

[f0xx]

I don't want anyone to "promise" me anything DA. The truth is, you guys are just sad and pathetic skill-less guys who can't take even a smaller alliance 1 on 1.

Now that being said, I hope you and your 59 friends enjoy your round of hoarding seeds, because you know what? Each one of you 60 is replacable and in the end people will not remember you as the alliance who won because of their skills, but the alliance who won with a powerblock. Is that a victory at all? You tell me.

I hope you have a good time of holding hands for the rest of the round with your other 59 pals.

[No-Dachi]

I appreciate that 3 alliances working together is very difficult and frustrating to combat, and I'd either be angry or despairing if I was on the receiving end, but I am curious as to why the rest of the top 10, particularly Chance and War, are just lying back and taking it. Aside from this often mentioned attack on SG, I haven't heard of a single properly organised hit. If you're facing a 'powerblock', really, I would have thought, the best course of action is to form your own and take the fight to them.

There is a problem organising hits on them when you only have the manpower to take out one at a time. If you launch at 1, the two others will retal you, meaning you'll lose more land than you gain. Until you are decently teched and a have a lot of lethals to fall back on, you can't keep up with heavy land losses. It puts you too far behind, and they'll outgrow you either way. There has also been some clever political deceiving in the picture which I must say that was well done. It does not change what they are doing to the game and the round, and it can never repair the damage to my image and respect of those in question, but that was a well done stunt.

And as f0xx said, r10 was a whole different story in so many ways.

[Dark_Angel]

I don't want anyone to "promise" me anything DA. The truth is, you guys are just sad and pathetic skill-less guys who can't take even a smaller alliance 1 on 1.

Now that being said, I hope you and your 59 friends enjoy your round of hoarding seeds :)

F0xx, I'll say again, that is rich coming from you when earlier this week, WarHuh?, Chance and TDL hit "SG".

And don't throw that "we were hitting the powerblock" stuff at me, its bull tbh. Both WH and Chance were above SG AND Overlude.

[f0xx]

F0xx, I'll say again, that is rich coming from you when earlier this week, WarHuh?, Chance and TDL hit "SG".

And don't throw that "we were hitting the powerblock" stuff at me, its bull tbh. Both WH and Chance were above SG AND Overlude.

Since you guys are one allince with many wings, you cannot say that we were higher than you, so what you just said is just not true. So no, it is not bull, because we WERE hitting the powerblock.

[Polo]

F0xx, I'll say again, that is rich coming from you when earlier this week, WarHuh?, Chance and TDL hit "SG".

And don't throw that "we were hitting the powerblock" stuff at me, its bull tbh. Both WH and Chance were above SG AND Overlude.

Why do you feel the need to justify yourselves? Do you really think the playerbase gives a damn if SG got incoming from 3 alliances or not? It hardly makes your "powerblock" honourable.

If you guys want to win by "powerblocking", that's fine. But why do you want to win so badly? So other people think you're good, to enlarge your egos? If you powerblock, sure you win, but nobody will respect you in the slightest for doing so. You'll go down in history as one of the worst alliances in the game. Congrats.

[harriergirl]

sure you win, but nobody will respect you in the slightest for doing so. ... Congrats.

qft

[IceOfFire]

I just cant see what your going to get out of this powerblock.

The original idea was to train new people...well thats clearly not happening.

So you powerblock to victory...whats the point? What are you trying to achieve? I just cant work it out?
Do you want the win that bad? Did you wanna make the round, that pre-round looked like it was gonna be awesome? Trying to stagnate the round?

What is it by power blocking your trying to achieve? I really cant see why.

[Twigley]

the funniest part is actually the whine.

Qft.


Stop Whining and stop arguing Whats the point?
Thebiggertheyaretheharderthefall

Qft.

[Dark_Angel]

Why do you feel the need to justify yourselves? Do you really think the playerbase gives a damn if SG got incoming from 3 alliances or not? It hardly makes your "powerblock" honourable.

If you guys want to win by "powerblocking", that's fine. But why do you want to win so badly? So other people think you're good, to enlarge your egos? If you powerblock, sure you win, but nobody will respect you in the slightest for doing so. You'll go down in history as one of the worst alliances in the game. Congrats.

I'm not justifying, I'm defending the individuals involved - against slander that has been thrown around a fair bit in this thread.

And tbh, for me at least, winning is winning. Who's arsed about how you were remembered for winning?

[LAFiN]

[15:39:05] <LAFiN> forums = SUCK

QFT!

[Changer]

Why do you feel the need to justify yourselves? Do you really think the playerbase gives a damn if SG got incoming from 3 alliances or not? It hardly makes your "powerblock" honourable.

If you guys want to win by "powerblocking", that's fine. But why do you want to win so badly? So other people think you're good, to enlarge your egos? If you powerblock, sure you win, but nobody will respect you in the slightest for doing so. You'll go down in history as one of the worst alliances in the game. Congrats.

Personally I think the reason for this 10% of the playerbase wanting to join such a 'powerblock' is mainly because they themselves for numerous rounds have had to put up with bashings over and over again.

Suddenly they decide to bite back and all the players that are usually top are crying about it. Live with it, we all have had to for many a round.

[pinpower]

personally i think the reason for this 10% of the playerbase wanting to join such a 'powerblock' is mainly because they themselves for numerous rounds have had to put up with bashings over and over again.

Suddenly they decide to bite back and all the players that are usually top are crying about it. Live with it, we all have had to for many a round.

qft

[IceOfFire]

Personally I think the reason for this 10% of the playerbase wanting to join such a 'powerblock' is mainly because they themselves for numerous rounds have had to put up with bashings over and over again.

Suddenly they decide to bite back and all the players that are usually top are crying about it. Live with it, we all have had to for many a round.

Buuulllllllll shiiiiiiiittt

[Martin]

Personally I think the reason for this 10% of the playerbase wanting to join such a 'powerblock' is mainly because they themselves for numerous rounds have had to put up with bashings over and over again.

Suddenly they decide to bite back and all the players that are usually top are crying about it. Live with it, we all have had to for many a round.


Please take this from a different perspective. We are not commenting because we are losing/have lost. We are commenting because the 3 of you working together is now unecessary. 6 alliances hiting WH at the start was necessary, even hitting us again as 3 was. Now you guys are way ahead you don't need it.

I hate posts like yours that just focus on "We're winning and you're losing so stfu".

One of our members said earlier in our channel:

"I don't care about losing, I don't enjoy it, but I don't mind it" - it's the fact you guys are *still* working together, not more so you doing it in the first place.

[n0c0ntr0l]

At the end of the day, wings have been around for ages. Look at virus back in the day. Don't complain, if you feel hard done, tough! Either remove the block, or stop whining.

[Polo]

I'm not justifying, I'm defending the individuals involved - against slander that has been thrown around a fair bit in this thread.

And tbh, for me at least, winning is winning. Who's arsed about how you were remembered for winning?

Firstly, it's libel, not slander. And secondly, all your posts reek of attempts to justify your actions. If you didn't care what people thought about you and winning was just winning, why are you attempting such justification?

As for who's arsed about how you were remembered for winning? I'd guess the majority of players (who actually even care who wins). When I ever look back at the past rankings, I don't respect just anyone who finished near the top. I respect those players/alliances who earned their wins. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same.

[Polo]

Personally I think the reason for this 10% of the playerbase wanting to join such a 'powerblock' is mainly because they themselves for numerous rounds have had to put up with bashings over and over again.

Suddenly they decide to bite back and all the players that are usually top are crying about it. Live with it, we all have had to for many a round.

Yeah, the players in War?, Chance, ViruS, etc are usually at the top. :roll: Personally, I've been bashed just as much as anyone else, if not more. And I don't really mind it either.

[Changer]

I hate posts like yours that just focus on "We're winning and you're losing so stfu".


Im not saying that exactly, im heading more towards the point that it is the actions of others is previous rounds that has lead to this.

[rooney]

And tbh, for me at least, winning is winning. Who's arsed about how you were remembered for winning?


thats why no-one respects an olympic athlete who gets 20 golds and then reveals hes on steroids. how you win is just as important DA. your attitude there is pretty damn **** imo

[Dark_Angel]

Yeah, ofc comments to defend often include justification for ones actions. So what? All I'm doing here is sticking up for the people in TBA who have received, and will no doubt in the future receive, slander from players who are annoyed they've lost land/troops and want to take it out on the players responsible.

Which is fair enough, but what I'm saying here is that just because people thought (very early on) whats my safest bet for doing well, doesn't mean they should be automatically labeled "bad" players.

[f0xx]

Noone is saying they are "bad". We are just saying their skills suck :)

[IceOfFire]

People dont care about losing DA, someone has too. People care about this new hyped up age 5, which we have waited for, for ages.

Then you guys bore your way to victory, know one cares what your saying, their is no glory in it. You guys can pretend you don't care what we think about your tactics, but deep down you know its a waste of a round.

People do care about victories and how they done it, know one will have respect for this, i really honestly have lost respect for a good number of you in TBA, you can say thats a sore loser. But no, i dont mind coming, second/third/fourth, as long as i can say my alliance honestly deserved it. You guys will NEVER be able to say it.

Changer this isnt revenge for people being massed in the past, the amount of times i have seen a full page of red incoming is ridiculous, dont try these ***** excuses at us.

You guys win, fair enough you win. But please never ever brag about it or ever be proud in your achievement.

n00bc0ntr0l - Stop whining and kill us? You out numbered any group in numbers this round, there were only 2 other real FTW alliance that stood a chance, myself and polo. That only ever made 3v2, BW recruited too late for a real chance. Ogluk always said he wasnt ftw, so trying our own powerblock was never gonna work.

Enjoy ur round.

[Changer]

Please have a go at my by all means, but can you stop swearing im finding it slightly oot and offensive.

End of the day it has happened, and its not suddenly going to change now. Can you please tell me where im bragging btw. Cause I would love to know.

[Alcibiades]

EDIT: no sense in prolonging this bullsmeg.

[Ahead]

Personally I think the reason for this 10% of the playerbase wanting to join such a 'powerblock' is mainly because they themselves for numerous rounds have had to put up with bashings over and over again.

Suddenly they decide to bite back and all the players that are usually top are crying about it. Live with it, we all have had to for many a round.

Wow you really have no idea.. and you wonder why you've never been in a winning alliance before. It's not all about the activity, experience also plays a key part and from yours (and n0c0's) posts, it clearly looks like you're lacking. Firstly there are >140 people in the alliances you've bashed this round, so please don't say all those people win every round because they quite obviously don't.

You haven't had to live with anything. The rank 2 alliance gets massive incoming from the rank 1 alliance every round all through the round, and the rank 1 alliance has to fight resistances of 4-5 strong alliances, as well as 1 on 1 wars against other alliances from the top 3, but obviously you don't know that. These people that win don't just sit back and win automatically, and you would know that if you'd ever been in a winning alliance before. How many times in your "previous rounds of oh dear look we're being bashed" have you had to fight off a powerblock of 3 alliances? I'm guessing never. The people in this thread aren't complaining about the bashing, the fact that some new people are winning or anything like that. It's the fact that your ridiculous powerblock of people that don't deserve to win is top and ruining / stagnating the game. Organising defence against incs is fun and I'm sure pretty much all of the "winners" that you've been killing will agree with me.

But it's no fun having a game that we love ruined by some people so desperate to win that they destroy the fun for everyone else just to get that one win. Nobody here has won every round, you do lose some, that's how it works. If winning means that much to you maybe go play some game like solitaire where you're the only player and you won't **** on 100 other people to get your win. Ty

[Cyrus]

Please have a go at my by all means, but can you stop swearing im finding it slightly oot and offensive.

End of the day it has happened, and its not suddenly going to change now. Can you please tell me where im bragging btw. Cause I would love to know.

2 wrongs, dont make a right.

[Changer]

Wow you really have no idea.. and you wonder why you've never been in a winning alliance before. It's not all about the activity, experience also plays a key part and from yours (and n0c0's) posts, it clearly looks like you're lacking. Firstly there are >140 people in the alliances you've bashed this round, so please don't say all those people win every round because they quite obviously don't.

You haven't had to live with anything. The rank 2 alliance gets massive incoming from the rank 1 alliance every round all through the round, and the rank 1 alliance has to fight resistances of 4-5 strong alliances, as well as 1 on 1 wars against other alliances from the top 3, but obviously you don't know that. These people that win don't just sit back and win automatically, and you would know that if you'd ever been in a winning alliance before. How many times in your "previous rounds of oh dear look we're being bashed" have you had to fight off a powerblock of 3 alliances? I'm guessing never. The people in this thread aren't complaining about the bashing, the fact that some new people are winning or anything like that. It's the fact that your ridiculous powerblock of people that don't deserve to win is top and ruining / stagnating the game. Organising defence against incs is fun and I'm sure pretty much all of the "winners" that you've been killing will agree with me.

But it's no fun having a game that we love ruined by some people so desperate to win that they destroy the fun for everyone else just to get that one win. Nobody here has won every round, you do lose some, that's how it works. If winning means that much to you maybe go play some game like solitaire where you're the only player and you won't **** on 100 other people to get your win. Ty



You think i dnt know any of that. Im sorry but im not stupid. But after the round has been won, certain players. Not possibly you, feel the need to **** on the rest of the playerbase not in the top 5 alliances. This happens every round, my alliance last round (I didnt want to lead, but circumstances lead to it) Spent 4 weeks with 1-3 alliances sending 6-12 players over 1 target on 2-3 ticks. We put up with that for 4 weeks ffs. I know what it feels like.

[BlackWolf]

I am more worried of how this all affects age 5 than anything else.

I consider this as a clear assault against all hard work what Azzer has done for this game. Turned against him be people in game making it unpleasant and unfriendly towards its players. This is how you people thank Azzer from all his work?

Age 5 was supposed to be the new beginning, now I dont know how much good can actually say of this game and age 5 to anyone after this stuff. It is like a hit under belt for Azzer. New age, new stuff and then people making 3 alliances out of 600 players playerbase.

What this will lead to? Next round another 3 alliances and same stuff... Azzer wasting his money to marketing a game when winning is done by masses even theres no mass. I think this is by far the worst blow anyone has ever done for this game and its future.

This is ofc my opinion you people can argue as much as you like, but when someone new joins and asks so what happend on last round... It doesnt sound good to say that 10% of players made alliance and powerblocked to victory against alliances 1/3rd of their size. I dont think I would like to join such game.

[Martin]

wow you really have no idea.. And you wonder why you've never been in a winning alliance before. It's not all about the activity, experience also plays a key part and from yours (and n0c0's) posts, it clearly looks like you're lacking. Firstly there are >140 people in the alliances you've bashed this round, so please don't say all those people win every round because they quite obviously don't.

You haven't had to live with anything. The rank 2 alliance gets massive incoming from the rank 1 alliance every round all through the round, and the rank 1 alliance has to fight resistances of 4-5 strong alliances, as well as 1 on 1 wars against other alliances from the top 3, but obviously you don't know that. These people that win don't just sit back and win automatically, and you would know that if you'd ever been in a winning alliance before. How many times in your "previous rounds of oh dear look we're being bashed" have you had to fight off a powerblock of 3 alliances? I'm guessing never. The people in this thread aren't complaining about the bashing, the fact that some new people are winning or anything like that. It's the fact that your ridiculous powerblock of people that don't deserve to win is top and ruining / stagnating the game. Organising defence against incs is fun and i'm sure pretty much all of the "winners" that you've been killing will agree with me.

But it's no fun having a game that we love ruined by some people so desperate to win that they destroy the fun for everyone else just to get that one win. Nobody here has won every round, you do lose some, that's how it works. If winning means that much to you maybe go play some game like solitaire where you're the only player and you won't **** on 100 other people to get your win. Ty


ahead for president!

[IceOfFire]

ahead for president!

Yea i second that

[Steve_God]

And tbh, for me at least, winning is winning. Who's arsed about how you were remembered for winning?
+1.

Being the 'honourable guy' who leads the inactive, inexperienced new guys, and the compulsory spy from another ally who leaks your allies' IDs after 12 hours, gets a bit tiring round after round after round.

Leading those same guys (albeit, with stricter recruitment to ensure a spy doesn't get in, and they are a bit more active than normal) to a win makes a very nice change. Regardless of using the 'By Any Means' method of winning.


[snip]...There has also been some clever political deceiving in the picture which I must say that was well done.
Thank you! :)


And for those that keep saying that it's the round over, it clearly isn't.

Winged allies that have dominated the top have been taken down before, and they will do in the future.

We know where our weakness is within our allies, and we're doing what we can at the moment to make sure that it doesn't become the downfall of us. Needless to say, if WE know there's a weakness, it's down to the rest of the player-base to work out where it is and take us down.
If all these other 'more experienced', 'more skilled', 'more talented' groups of players can't work it out, then you don't deserve the win this round.

Game on! :grin:

[Cyrus]

+1.

Being the 'honourable guy' who leads the inactive, inexperienced new guys, and the compulsory spy from another ally who leaks your allies' IDs after 12 hours, gets a bit tiring round after round after round.

Leading those same guys (albeit, with stricter recruitment to ensure a spy doesn't get in, and they are a bit more active than normal) to a win makes a very nice change. Regardless of using the 'By Any Means' method of winning.



Thank you! :)


And for those that keep saying that it's the round over, it clearly isn't.

Winged allies that have dominated the top have been taken down before, and they will do in the future.

We know where our weakness is within our allies, and we're doing what we can at the moment to make sure that it doesn't become the downfall of us. Needless to say, if WE know there's a weakness, it's down to the rest of the player-base to work out where it is and take us down.
If all these other 'more experienced', 'more skilled', 'more talented' groups of players can't work it out, then you don't deserve the win this round.

Game on! :grin:

SG please, cmon this is embarrasing, people that win by using underhand tactics, powerblocking etc do get remembered and burnt for it, look at BW, he gets stick for his 2,3,4 wings when he had them and that was over 20 rounds ago, so please dont tell us that no-one remembers cheap wins.

our effort of doing something in your eyes your mistaking for us giving up / not knowing your weakness, many of us have played rounds with some of the guys your playing with, as stalking as it sounds, timezones are easy to find, dead hours (if youve played with said player) are known.

like polo said we cant just rush in all guns blazing because you jsut retal with an alli and take more than we stole, so our attacks will be picked carefully, our rushes will be fatal, and you sir, will die :)

and please, never say that i dont deserve to win, because it offends me.

[Twigley]

and please, never say that i dont deserve to win, because it offends me.

I think we are past the point of asking not to be offended, dont you?

[Matthew]

Needless to say, if WE know there's a weakness, it's down to the rest of the player-base to work out where it is and take us down.

Challenge?

[BlackWolf]

Challenge?
No its only useless try to get people to attack them so they would:
a. win easier
and
b. Get more action throught the round cause it gets REALLY boring on top with their member count.

[Cyrus]

I think we are past the point of asking not to be offended, dont you?

thats because some people are sore losers... and some people are sore winners.

[Matthew]

No its only useless try to get people to attack them so they would:
a. win easier
and
b. Get more action throught the round cause it gets REALLY boring on top with their member count.

If you aren't going to do anything about it them you can't complain about it. Granted I have read your posts and you as an individual haven't.

However, I would like to vocalise this towards all the other people who are just moaning. Merely idenfying something that you consider to be a concern and failing to even attempt to influence the outcome truly underlines people lazyness and lack of motivation towards changing this round. If you truly gave a crap you would stand up and try and organise something. AT LEAST ATTEMPT or don't complain.

[BlackWolf]

If you aren't going to do anything about it them you can't complain about it. Granted I have read your posts and you as an individual haven't.

However, I would like to vocalise this towards all the other people who are just moaning. Merely idenfying something that you consider to be a concern and failing to even attempt to influence the outcome truly underlines people lazyness and lack of motivation towards changing this round. If you truly gave a crap you would stand up and try and organise something. AT LEAST ATTEMPT or don't complain.
Your part of them or have attempted?
Rofl

[nopjes]

Your part of them or have attempted?
Rofl

does it matter?

[BlackWolf]

does it matter?
Well ofc it does.
Either this guy is trying to provoke us to do exactly what his leaders wants him to provoke us to do.

Or he has not got enought cajoneys (how ever spelled) to actually organize anything himself.

[Ahead]

Your part of them or have attempted?
Rofl

OMG how did you guess?! Yeh he's in one of the allies :P

[Cyrus]

Well ofc it does.
Either this guy is trying to provoke us to do exactly what his leaders wants him to provoke us to do.

Or he has not got enought cahoneys (how ever spelled) to actually organize anything himself.

why dont you do something for once BW? all i keep hearing is Virus are not willing to get together and res...
if this is the case, your veiw becomes invalid anyway so stop whining yourself :)

[ZigZag]

don't post drunk it makes no sense

[BlackWolf]

why dont you do something for once BW? all i keep hearing is Virus are not willing to get together and res...
if this is the case, your veiw becomes invalid anyway so stop whining yourself :)
Cyrus: I have noticed your hate towards me, it cant be unnoticed actually.
I am sorry but I am an adult, let me be stupid but I do not hate anyone outside this game. I still think Stevey is nice guy and Twigs is nice kid. I may not aprove their ingame methods but I keep that out side of this all.

Same way. I have been here since round 5. I have won 4 rounds. Whatta SMEG do you want from me? I took Martins alliance one round alone without having anything else but myself. then took them later on with my alliance. I made them politically so unbelieveable they got owned. I made alliance half to the round and won points. I have lead numerous resistances and been part of them all unless been against me.

You really think it is my thing to stand up and defend this game and its community? You have so little balls that you try to question what I have done here? I ask you on whos side you stand on, and how much YOU have done for good of this game? How many resistances YOU have lead?

Ohh your just peon without will and following orders... sorry I forgot.

[Twigley]

ZigZag what are you trying to say exactly?

[BlackWolf]

ZigZag what are you trying to say exactly?
I have no idea but I am interested to find out, as I can swore that some of those names in that list are last people to break any rules, they have been teached by me and they know the way to work in this game, and even in enemy alliance they have my blessing... not counting Twigs to this... as he has shown what he is willingly to do for win... even ruin whole game.

[Twigley]

Blackwolf you are getting boring.
Changer leads TBA not me :/

[Abreu]

I'll tel you what the multi ally stuff is sucks twigs can defend it all he wants. This is a list from and at least 3 allies was involved who knows other than Azzer how mandy multis in his wings
I realy hate people that bend the rules





And you Zigzag, being a spy is not bending the rules?

And a list from IRC doesn't show everyone who is involved in an alliance.
Get your facts straight before you accuse us of cheating

[FeR]

ZigZag, just because you got in a channel by mystake and saw some names talking about hitting alliances doesn't mean we cheat lol.. People can no longer use mIRC to plan attacks or something??

[JJbrosandjl]

Ffs, stop blaming Twigley. He doesn't do *anything*

Changer is leading, I know it you know it, everyone knows it. Zigzag even put him first on the list because he knows Changer is leading. Sheesh.

[Dennis]

Twigs ftl...


Changer is cracking the whip :(

*covers his ass*

[Steve_God]

Ffs, stop blaming Twigley. He doesn't do *anything*

Changer is leading, I know it you know it, everyone knows it. Zigzag even put him first on the list because he knows Changer is leading. Sheesh.
'tis true...

[f0xx]

This is getting hilarious...

[Cyrus]

Cyrus: I have noticed your hate towards me, it cant be unnoticed actually.
I am sorry but I am an adult, let me be stupid but I do not hate anyone outside this game. I still think Stevey is nice guy and Twigs is nice kid. I may not aprove their ingame methods but I keep that out side of this all.

Same way. I have been here since round 5. I have won 4 rounds. Whatta SMEG do you want from me? I took Martins alliance one round alone without having anything else but myself. then took them later on with my alliance. I made them politically so unbelieveable they got owned. I made alliance half to the round and won points. I have lead numerous resistances and been part of them all unless been against me.

You really think it is my thing to stand up and defend this game and its community? You have so little balls that you try to question what I have done here? I ask you on whos side you stand on, and how much YOU have done for good of this game? How many resistances YOU have lead?

Ohh your just peon without will and following orders... sorry I forgot.

my grief with you belong in a PM

[Elevate]

nice to see my reply was removed...

anyway, get over yourself guys its a war game there are no rules as to what tactics can be used to win.

[Matthew]

Well ofc it does.
Either this guy is trying to provoke us to do exactly what his leaders wants him to provoke us to do.

Or he has not got enought cajoneys (how ever spelled) to actually organize anything himself.

I am not with TBA.

[DarkSider]

I have requested Azzer an exclusive interview to find out his opinions about the powerblock and other events at top and he as a player acccepted to answer my questions:

DarkSider: Twigley, Steve_god and JJ claimed they're not in the same bed at the beggining, then we hear Steve is long term allied with Twigley and now we still see the 3 allies at the top ranks with no sign of aggression on eachother, just using combined force to smash other alliances. What you believe from all this ?

Azzer:I believe all three probably planned this from the beginning, before it even ticked - denying it at first to buy themselves time to settle in to their positions and work together before people knew ID lists etc... all three are clearly allied together as three wings working together to outnumber any other alliance 3 to 1 very early on to secure a fast lead, and then continue working together bashing everyone to secure their ranks, regardless of image, style, honour, or anything else. Rank rank rank.

DarkSider: How would you call the leaders and players of those allies ?

Azzer: Cowards, yellow-bellies, wimps, big-girls-blouses... too scared to face eachother because they know they'd have a tough fight, so they gang up and bully everyone else.
They're scared to lose. So they work together and stay together.

DarkSider: You'd expect them to stay together till the end ? Knowing Steve he will probably get bored and most likely doesn't want to get a reputation similar to BW.

Azzer:I predict all three to stay together till the end if they are all ridiculous pussies, OR, knowing the playstyle of the top ranked ally's leader/organiser... half way through the round or near the end of the round, when the rank 1 ally has ENOUGH of an advantage to be guaranteed safety - they'll work with the 2nd to kill the 3rd (telling the 2nd and convincing them they are safe) - then do the same to the 2nd. Until it happens all three think they are safe and best friends and it'll never happen.
But as far as ranks 2 & 3 are concerned - they will stay together to the end. They'd rather quit of boredom, than attack their "buddy boys" and risk dying. That's cowardice.

DarkSider: I was actually expecting Steve and twigley to backstab JJ since it's said JJ has an alliance of pro's while twigs and steve probably know if they want to win they can't take them 1:1 after. I'm sure at least twigs is planning a way to win and not to fight the final battle in disadvantage.

Azzer: Possibly, but the rank 1 alliance will be the one that's in the strong position to manipulate the other two alliances the most, and the other two alliances would let themselves be fooled more easily because it's nicer to believe you're safe, than to think the people who you powerblocked with would turn on you.
The problem with the "turning on eachother" aspect - the 'victims' will die, lose their ranks... but because they didn't do it by choice, they'll still be labelled as powerblockers by the rest of the game. The ONLY way to "save face" and stop themselves being concemmed to Bushtarion history as lame players, is to take action themselves, not to sit around waiting for something to happen.

DarkSider: You think they care about saving their face ? You said earlier on mirc that Twigley might like getting all the negative attention.

Azzer: Some will enjoy it. Others will think that as long as they have "eachother", nothing else matters. But I know there is quite a large portion of players there that would rather be remembered as good players, than lamers, and are starting to question their position. Some will be thinking "I don't like this, but I daren't backstab these guys" and might be thinking about deleting/restarting... even quitting... because it avoids two things (don't need to backstab, don't need to live in a powerblock) - but maybe some will have the guts to take action and stand up for their names. With politics forums being new, and people will be encouraged to put all these stories in to the Wiki articles after....
I think the idea that your name could go down in history forever as a powerblocker, a lamer... or as somebody who died but led a huge backstab in a hilarious "Up yours!" to their ex-powerblocking allies mid-round... is something that might affect people's judgements about whether to take action or not.
I'd rather backstab, have a hilarious fight, make a great political post about the backstab, then be killed by my now ex-allies and live the rest of the round fighting in the mid-rankings... than just quit out of shame/boredom, or sit around with my rank knowing that basically every other player out there thinks I'm lame and don't deserve it.

DarkSider: Yeah you make a believer out of me, let's see if they gather any balls :D
What you think of Chance and War? Huh ? They fought their own battles so far and are still contenders to top.

Azzer: Chance, War?, even Discworld and a few alliances below, if they are all fighting their own fight, are earning their own name, battling it out and playing the game with a sense of pride and fun. I don't watch what they're doing in-game so I don't know the actual facts surrounding every alliance of course, but that's my interpretation in general. It also looks like the game could still be turned around if they could ALL work together in a mass resistsnace, but tbh it'd be tough, it'd require far more co-ordination than the top 3 allies now, and it shouldn't be necessary - one of those top allies should be taking responsibility, and a resistance should only be needed to take down a "top ally" for fun, it shouldn't be needed to dismantle a powerblock, not in this day and age when leaders/players should be doing better than powerblocking like that.

DarkSider:Well then, what you think of BW and his 2 allies ? He has rank 12 and 14 but he doesn't get as much attention since he is lower in ranks.

Azzer: I think powerblocks/alliances between allies is always bad, and don't think he should be doing it. The middle-ranks are having to face their own "Multi-wing" enemies which shouldn't be the case. Fortunately they do have genuine challengers - there's plenty of alliances that could kill them, so while it's poor gameplay, that aren't "ruining the round for everyone", and they haven't made themselves "immune to real threats" - there's plenty of single alliances big enough to handle both wings. But I still think any form of "wings" is bad.

DarkSider:You kinda started this fashion with alliance wings and pnaps between allies. Players got used to have outside help .. they tasted the easy ride and can't quit anymore.

Azzer: Pnaps were a way of phasing out the old style play wether everyone could defend everyone (remember back then?) Wings were ALREADY being used, very heavily. Pnaps were my way of saying "I'm reducing your abilities with wings now, but I'm doing it a bit at a time because grossly drastic changes upset everyone". I certainly did not cause/create the fasion of wings. I started phasing them out when I replaced "defend anyone" to "replace only naps", and then eventually removed the naps, too.

DarkSider:Any last words ?

Azzer:The round's never over until it's over. And those condemned to make a bad name for themselves can redeem themselves with good actions - the sooner you act, the more glory you can claim. If you're sat in those top 60 and don't like the fact you're being branded as a "Lame" player by the rest of the game, and don't like the fact you're helping cause so much upset and dismay in this first Age 5 round because of the selfish playstyle and attitudes of your leaders, then do something about it. If you sit there saying "I don't like this", but stay doing it anyway, then you're just as bad as everyone else in the powerblock. Condemn yourselves to a bad history or step up now - and if you do manage an epic backstab, write a nice politics story about it and get the game involved, and let everyone know who did it and what they did - take some glory from an unglorious situation.

Thx for the interview, maybe some will search deep inside and find their thirst for glory as the big man said :P

[Twigley]

Fun ^.^

[pinpower]

I have alot to say on this and i'll finally post my actual thoughts tommorow.

But for now:

If you guys are moaning because apparently we only care about rank/score...and your moaning because we are hitting people down together, thus making them loose rank and score, or in other words not letting people reach a certain score...then why does it matter to you if you dont care about rank that much? Surely you could then decide together to fight for ranks 4/5/6 etc...or fight to get in the top 50 rather than the top 10?

My main annoyance:Also, it still annoys me that alot of you people will and have used every tactic under the sun to win/fight and its all well and good as long as your winning...as soon as somebody comes along and does something which leaves you not at the top...its suddenly "Runing the game" and the worst thing in the world....the hypocrisy astounds me!

Also, we arent better players than you, and there are far better players (certainly than myself) in lower ranks this round but we were better prepared and we were better organised.
Alot of people (certainly in SG) dont play this actively often and are pretty much unknown in the game, for once this round we've acted to tip the round in our favour...

I'm not saying i necessarily like the way the round has turned out but all is fair in love and war, and as long as working together in a larger group isnt against any game rules i dont think any of you have the right to condemn us like you do!

Lastly, for those of you that think the round is boring for us...it really isnt, personally im having loads of fun!
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[f0xx]

I really begin to like this argument - "If you don't like it, then do something about it!".

Tomorrow, I will go out, get 5 of my mates and beat up a kid (not like I cannot beat a kid alone, but it would just be more fun if I do it with 5 others). Then I will sit next to him and say, "Hey, you don't like us beating you? Then do something about it!".

[Cyrus]

i think everyone is allowed to voice their thoughts on what your doing Pinpower, i know your post wasnt aimed at anyone in particular but you cant call hypocrisy on my posts, like other players ill refuse to do something if i honestly feel against it, and i can understand why YOU might not wanna leave your alli, its kinda the same way BW dictates, your left with the more than likely outcome of being zero'd if you dont play how your being lead which you probably dont wanna have to deal with after the effort youve put into your alliance(?)

at some point you'll come to terms that what your doing is forcing players away, NONE of us should wanna be doing this, we wanna bring players in so there is more competition, i would much rather be fighting 20 strong allis then being on top dominating.

I really begin to like this argument - "If you don't like it, then do something about it!".

Tomorrow, I will go out, get 5 of my mates and beat up a kid (not like I cannot beat a kid alone, but it would just be more fun if I do it with 5 others). Then I will sit next to him and say, "Hey, you don't like us beating you? Then do something about it!".

then he fetches his 7ft 2 dad.

[pinpower]

Cyrus, your right..everyone is allowed to voice their opinions...i didnt mean to sound like i was suggesting they shouldnt

I meant more of "I personally dont think what your saying is justified"...if that makes sense?

Sorry if i came off condescending or w/e. :-)
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[f0xx]

I really begin to like this argument - "If you don't like it, then do something about it!".

Tomorrow, I will go out, get 5 of my mates and beat up a kid (not like I cannot beat a kid alone, but it would just be more fun if I do it with 5 others). Then I will sit next to him and say, "Hey, you don't like us beating you? Then do something about it!".

then he fetches his 7ft 2 dad.

Lol, I ain't some kid to be afraid of his dad and so will be my mates. We can take his whole family if we have to.

I hope you get my point.

[Garrett]

I meant more of "I personally dont think what your saying is justified"...if that makes sense?



I personally don't think your face is justified.

But I love it just the same. Joking aside, some might say that a 60 man powerblock is not justified.

[pinpower]

lol garrett...i love you too!

Personally i think a winged alliance is justified at the moment, whether or not its necessarily good is what you guys are rowing about!

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[Garrett]

let's not say we whiteman. i deleted after my alliance missed the opportunity to take out SG and opted for the obvious trap. we were supposed to kick ass and take names and instead we decided to wait and get smashed. i really just wanted the face justified joke.

[Cyrus]

I really begin to like this argument - "If you don't like it, then do something about it!".

Tomorrow, I will go out, get 5 of my mates and beat up a kid (not like I cannot beat a kid alone, but it would just be more fun if I do it with 5 others). Then I will sit next to him and say, "Hey, you don't like us beating you? Then do something about it!".

then he fetches his 7ft 2 dad.

Lol, I ain't some kid to be afraid of his dad and so will be my mates. We can take his whole family if we have to.

I hope you get my point.

or forgive me for my innuendo(?), get this 'Kid' seperated from his 'dad' ;)

[Alcibiades]

Personally i think a winged alliance is justified at the moment

absolute horsesmeg. At the start, yes, tactically i'd agree it was justified but it's gone on for far too long :P And that is not really up for discussion amongst rational human beings.

[LostinNY]

a long time ago bushtarion had over 2000 players. Granted some were not very active, but the player base has diminished with every round. Age 5 was suppose to change that and instead after only 1 week, we have a powerblock of 3 alliances(not 2 which is bad enough, but 3). And you can justify it all you want and say you were going for the win, etc, etc... And you can say the round is not over and if every allaince coorindinated a resistance that we could take all three of you out... I don't think that is the point. This was suppose to be a new start and get more people interested in a game that is slowly dying and instead you guys ruin it for a lousy powerblock, for more bashing, for more disinterest in the the game, more reason for people not to play, to get your names in portal again?...seriously this is just sad.

[No-Dachi]

I'm not saying i necessarily like the way the round has turned out but all is fair in love and war



I like what you said about not being better individuals, but being better prepared. I still don't like the powerblock because it contains just about 10% of all the active players in the game!!. Had the player base been vastly bigger it would be an altogether different case. I'd still call you out for not fighting us 1v1, but in a light fashion manner. But I don't think you guys are truly realizing what this is doing to the game.

However, that argument of yours is truly and utterly false. It has always been, and will never be anything but, a flawed way of justifying wrongs. There are so many actions being done by this cover, child rape, rape in general, mass execution of certain tribes, and on it goes.

You can to some extent justify killing off whole groups of people, because you want peace when the war ends. But how can you ever justify a mass rape of every single women in a country? How can you ever justify killing 10 year olds, or cutting off their limbs just in case they might be soldiering against you when they grow up? How can you ever justify torturing innocents for the sole reason of testing (Dr Mengele, e.g.)?

There are so many examples on this matter, and I simply cannot accept that as an argument to do whatever you please, on the expense of others. Gathering 10% of the player base to secure a position is okey. Gathering 10 % of the player base to get and keep the position is not okey. Not because you're not letting me win, but because whatever you do on top sends ripples out, causing more damage the further down the ranks it goes.

Let's face it, the players you can attack wont quit because of your actions, but the lock you've put on the rankings is causing all kind of headaches for the lesser ranks. With incoming from 60 players you have to replace a whole lot more land than with incoming from 20 players, so you're not just effectively cutting off the mid ranks wars, but you are increasing the strain on the lower alliances by quite a lot. And they are the players most likely to quit. I'm not overly bothered by my rank, or if I die in defence or gain acres in attacks. It's all fun, so please don't take this as a gripe, for it is not. It is a genuine concern.

[BlackWolf]

..., its kinda the same way BW dictates...
I do what?

[Dark_Angel]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8100/tba.jpg


Lol - Love it - very witty!

:P

[DarkSider]

That's just dodging the bullet, this is the real one :

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1797/hahat.jpg

[Matthew]

I really begin to like this argument - "If you don't like it, then do something about it!".

Tomorrow, I will go out, get 5 of my mates and beat up a kid (not like I cannot beat a kid alone, but it would just be more fun if I do it with 5 others). Then I will sit next to him and say, "Hey, you don't like us beating you? Then do something about it!".

Police ftw?

Or in BG can you go round assualting children and the law doesn't care.

If there is a will there is a way, you god damn pessimist.

[Steve_God]

I really begin to like this argument - "If you don't like it, then do something about it!".

Tomorrow, I will go out, get 5 of my mates and beat up a kid (not like I cannot beat a kid alone, but it would just be more fun if I do it with 5 others). Then I will sit next to him and say, "Hey, you don't like us beating you? Then do something about it!".

War-Game anyone? :roll:

[f0xx]

Honor? Pride? Skill anyone? :roll:

[Podunk]

I agree totally with what No-Dachi just said.

Whenever I get my inactive arse on to check what is going on in bush; I must say I'm highly disappointed if not a bit angry that there are people that would actually join a powerblock after all that has been done in the past to prevent them! ANAPs have been disabled for quite some time, so have allied PNAPs. Honestly, if 60 man alliances were meant to be in place then surely an alliance would have a member cap of that?

Whats it like having a 40 ID long safelist guys? Whats it like being in 2nd and 3rd place? Last time I checked only one alliance can win the round.

What is it like being some of the most hated alliances in recent bushtarion history?

Sure you guys are doing nothing against the rules,(except the guy who got caught with a multi, lulz) but why would you choose such a boring way of stacking the odds in your favor?

How much fun could a basketball game be if it was 15 on 5? Better yet what about a boxing match that was 3 vs 1?

In anything competitive, to make it fun for people trying to reach the top spot there has to be a level playing field for everyone in the game.

Where's the spirit of competition?

[f0xx]

Jesus guys, and when we thought you cant possibly get any lower than this, you proved us wrong AGAIN. I really bow down to your lame-ness and pathetic-ness. You leave me speechless.

But tbh that is partially Azzer's fault. Give the lamez0rs things that can be abused and they WILL abuse it.

[pinpower]

lol f0xx, i actually started a bet on how long it would take one of you to make that post

hehe

[f0xx]

Well, I appologize for being alergic to lame people then.

[Steve_God]

Jesus guys, and when we thought you cant possibly get any lower than this, you proved us wrong AGAIN. I really bow down to your lame-ness and pathetic-ness. You leave me speechless.

But tbh that is partially Azzer's fault. Give the lamez0rs things that can be abused and they WILL abuse it.
'Legends play by their own rules.' :twisted:

[pinpower]

Well, I appologize for being alergic to lame people then.



huh? Does that even make sense?

Credit to you guys though, that was pretty awesome!
x

[Davis]

Jesus guys, and when we thought you cant possibly get any lower than this, you proved us wrong AGAIN. I really bow down to your lame-ness and pathetic-ness. You leave me speechless.

But tbh that is partially Azzer's fault. Give the lamez0rs things that can be abused and they WILL abuse it.

Hmm when Virus has done it all round it was perfectly fine, and from what i've heard Chance and War swaped a few members at some point (i have no proof just someone said it to me so i may be wrong)

All these tactics we have used have been used before we have, and no one has complained about it, but when we use them its EVILLLLL

[Martin]

Jesus guys, and when we thought you cant possibly get any lower than this, you proved us wrong AGAIN. I really bow down to your lame-ness and pathetic-ness. You leave me speechless.

But tbh that is partially Azzer's fault. Give the lamez0rs things that can be abused and they WILL abuse it.


I think it's quite clever....

Won't save them though ;)

[Dark_Angel]

Jesus guys, and when we thought you cant possibly get any lower than this, you proved us wrong AGAIN. I really bow down to your lame-ness and pathetic-ness. You leave me speechless.

But tbh that is partially Azzer's fault. Give the lamez0rs things that can be abused and they WILL abuse it.

F0xx is referring to S_G getting inc and its members ship jumping to other TBA wings so we can cover all the incs.

And he's right, you know, we shouldn't be breaking the EULA like that.

Oh wait. We aren't breaking any rules :?

[f0xx]

Jesus guys, and when we thought you cant possibly get any lower than this, you proved us wrong AGAIN. I really bow down to your lame-ness and pathetic-ness. You leave me speechless.

But tbh that is partially Azzer's fault. Give the lamez0rs things that can be abused and they WILL abuse it.
'Legends play by their own rules.' :twisted:


Yep yep, you will all become legengs after this round. That is for sure :roll:

[Polo]

and from what i've heard Chance and War swaped a few members at some point (i have no proof just someone said it to me so i may be wrong)

Wrong.

[Twigley]

First you complain that TBA is one alliance and then you complain they trade members between different alliances.
How can we trade if TBA is one?

Make your mind up, dont use whatever suits you at the time.

[Dark_Angel]

First you complain that TBA is one alliance and then you complain they trade members between different alliances.
How can we trade if TBA is one?

Make your mind up, dont use whatever suits you at the time.

rofl. QFT.

[pinpower]

I think its a fair enough tactic...its not easy to do, cant be done over and over and comes with a consequence.

x

[harriergirl]

Jesus guys, and when we thought you cant possibly get any lower than this, you proved us wrong AGAIN. I really bow down to your lame-ness and pathetic-ness. You leave me speechless.

But tbh that is partially Azzer's fault. Give the lamez0rs things that can be abused and they WILL abuse it.
'Legends play by their own rules.' :twisted:



Strangely enough SG, you were a legend before this round. Highly respected too. I think you'll find when the round is over you've lost more than you've gained.

[Cyrus]

ESPECIALLY AFTER TODAY BOYO! ;) your not finishing third and have a bad rep, well done.

[No-Dachi]

First you complain that TBA is one alliance and then you complain they trade members between different alliances.
How can we trade if TBA is one?

Make your mind up, dont use whatever suits you at the time.


Jesus. You are one alliance (or group, if you so prefer), with three ingame alliances (because the system does not allow you to put all your members in one ingame alliance). How hard can that be to grasp?


We both know you know the difference.

On the recent discussion: I don't really mind what they're doing. If the system allows it, then they can do it. The loophole will be locked (as Azzer locked the ability to jump out of alliances and gain AR protection straight away in r8), but as long as it remain open it's a valid tactic.

[Steve_God]

Strangely enough SG, you were a legend before this round. Highly respected too.

If I was, it sure as hell didn't feel like it.

[Podunk]

Strangely enough SG, you were a legend before this round. Highly respected too.

If I was, it sure as hell didn't feel like it.

Look people don't bow down for Legends, but there's a level of respect that is held by other members in the community.

People lose legendary status when they buy into a style that isn't their own and become simple puppets.

[pinpower]

Lol podunk...thats one of those statements that doesnt actually mean anything, but people say to try and make themselves look clever...

[Podunk]

Lol podunk...thats one of those statements that doesnt actually mean anything, but people say to try and make themselves look clever...

So is the message you just posted, whats your point?

If you didn't understand the deeper meaning of my post I was calling you all puppets.

[IceOfFire]

and from what i've heard Chance and War swaped a few members at some point (i have no proof just someone said it to me so i may be wrong)

Wrong.

Hahaha, that rly made me laugh. Think u need better sources Davis

[Davis]

hey atleast i'm not claiming that its 100% truth, and i admited it may be false :P unlike other people who are making tons of false claims and standing behind them w/o any proof

[rooney]

wow - this is more of the same that ive been reading about for weeks now. TBA suck blah blah blah. no we dont blah blah blah.

anyone else bored of it?

but just to add my 2 cents, the funniest thing for me is that 40 people are gonna be labelled powerblockers etc. and get a bad name... and STILL lose. L.O.L!

have fun with that ;)

[f0xx]

You mean 60.

[Hobbezak]

You mean 60.

One alliance is probably going to end first, so they can be considered the "winners" of this round. :p

[Nitrous]

No, f0xx is right. :P

Viva la resistance! :D