Bashing...?

[Crumpet]

I thought this was fixed? From what I understand it will eventually be implemented so far into start of round but till then people get to be bashed at +2 by Sins, CWs, PoM...etc.? I personally would rather see this system in play sooner seeing as there are now plenty of units that can do quite a nasty bit of damage. The injury system doesn't even help at this point because the injured are of no use anyway if they just keep bashing you over and over till you hardly have units left to be injured!

This is why I liked the old bounty system and the titles. At least they'd get some type of punishment for abusing smaller players over and over and over. Now there is nothing and they get a free ride since most of the people that will be attacking you you won't be able to attack anyway since they'll be routes your route obviously is weak against.

Yes, I understand that once the new system is in play it will make it harder for these people to get land, increased etas etc. But the fact bigger players still get a run on everyone else now is silly now that there are good units about.

If you're one of the people that are doing the bashing all I have to say is...Do onto others as you would have done to yourself because in the end the people you've treated so poorly may just be the ones to help pick you off your asses.

[Alcibiades]

And occasionally the bashers unwittingly let an amused defender beat his attackers. Thanks for the fun;)

[range] 3,926,701 allied Psychopathic Android attacked, killing 1,969,109 hostile staff.
[range] 411,300 allied Sniper attacked, killing 3,136,345 hostile staff.
[range] 43,223 hostile Sniper attacked, killing 6,428 allied staff.
[range] 1,554,793 allied Automoton attacked, killing 4,814,419 hostile staff.
[range] 545,841 allied Shock Trooper attacked, killing 4,477,933 hostile staff.
[range] 41,216 hostile Shock Trooper attacked, killing 49,814 allied staff.
[range] 565,157 allied Officer attacked, killing 1,040,715 hostile staff.

Died: 15,438,521 [£133,503,085,200] enemies dead. 56,242 [£713,272,000] friendlies dead.

You gained 69,559 effectiveness.

[range] 2,771,490 allied Hooligan attacked, disabling 2,325,872 hostile staff.
[range] 1,555,505 allied Automoton attacked, killing 4,495,284 hostile staff.
[range] 1,167,989 allied Petrol Bomber lobbed Molotov Cocktails and killed 5,521,075 hostile staff.

Disabled: 2,325,872 [£17,110,484,600] enemies disabled.
Died: 10,016,359 [£23,460,875,400] enemies dead.

You gained 7,212 effectiveness.

[Souls]

Mine are better! :D

[close] 270,131 allied Hippy attacked, distracting 295,674 hostile staff.
[close] 3,144,794 hostile Assassin attacked, killing 951,120 allied staff.
[close] 186,795 allied Yob attacked, disabling 299,722 hostile staff.
[close] 47,384 hostile Yob attacked, disabling 34,189 allied staff.
[close] 1,917,364 allied Ranger attacked, killing 2,755,626 hostile staff.
[close] 120,695 allied Officer attacked, killing 256,529 hostile staff.
[close] 98,644 hostile Geo-Phys Thief stole 734 land. [134] tree. [487] bush. [56] flower. [57] grass. [0] uncultivated.

Distracted: 295,674 [£855,396,600] enemies distracted.
Disabled: 299,722 [£666,095,600] enemies disabled. 34,189 [£215,274,000] friendlies disabled.
Died: 3,012,155 [£119,493,642,200] enemies dead. 951,120 [£39,243,064,000] friendlies dead.

You gained 174,122 effectiveness.


[middle] 6,139,070 hostile Assassin attacked, killing 2,278,126 allied staff.
[middle] 3,426,566 allied Ranger attacked, killing 5,117,061 hostile staff.
[middle] 1,844,669 hostile Ninja attacked, killing 1,808,735 allied staff.
[middle] 232,201 allied Officer attacked, killing 468,479 hostile staff.

Died: 5,585,540 [£221,642,743,600] enemies dead. 4,086,861 [£146,245,873,000] friendlies dead.

You gained 333,699 effectiveness.

[Crumpet]

[range] 9,481,385 hostile Assassin attacked, killing 864,706 allied staff.

Died: 864,706 [£5,188,236,000] friendlies dead.

You gained 830 effectiveness.

Mine was just too scary :(

[Crumpet]

Oh look, now you have another alliance helping you just two days later when we just happen to be in your +2 range again. *claps* Such skill.

When is the bashing stuff being implemented because this is some serious bullshit already.

[Enrico]

well, an allymate of mine had 160 bill incomming spread on 4 ticks... he didn't lose one acre and have 90% of his staff still due to 80% injury... seems bashing is not that useful always.

[Crumpet]

Then come look at our ally when there are 7-8 people all sending 100+mil mobs at one person in a wave then have another alliance send to 4-5 other people with even more.

It's quite useful when these people are 5-6 times your score and it's so easy for them since they no longer get any penalty for it.

[Alcibiades]

well, an allymate of mine had 160 bill incomming spread on 4 ticks... he didn't lose one acre and have 90% of his staff still due to 80% injury... seems bashing is not that useful always.


160 BILLION incoming? who was sending? the whole damn game? :P

and Enrico, bashes now are just frustrating examples of cheap players and unskilled attackers imo. As i've figured it's always been ;)

[Enrico]

billion/million.. yeahyeahyeah.

And bashes are frustating like hell, but people who lack the skill to make good attacks have to resort to such tactics I suppose.

[Crumpet]

billion/million.. yeahyeahyeah.

And bashes are frustating like hell, but people who lack the skill to make good attacks have to resort to such tactics I suppose.

Exactly! Which is the problem with this game now. When I first started it took skill to play and get a good rank and to portal. Now all you need are a few friends that you can call and few tiny targets you can mash into nothing and get the ranks you used to have to work for. At least l/f and bounty took skill to get! Now there is no skill needed to play at all.

[Darryl]

I'm not really sure about that, Crumpet.

It seems to take about as much "skill" to find a target who won't recieve adequate defence and has tasty land as it does to find someone who has a bounty and no units with which he can hurt you, which is pretty much what Bounty was. Find someone who can't fight back, rush lethals and them, and wahey, free money.

Has there really been much of an increase in bashing since L/F has been removed?

[CLem]

It is just my opinion but i think with the L/F removed and the new system it has made people to attack "unlawfully" a bit more, the magnitude depends on the players' preference. I have been hitting more players 40% of me instead of similar size because of the following:

When L/F existed, when you hit someone below the lawful range, you will
a)lose troops, you don't get injury, they are dead, final,

b)lose a LOT of lawfulness and the punishment to that is a lot of incomings for the bounty on your head and if you are allied, not much sleep.

Now with the injury system and no L/F and new bounty, you will
a) lose troops, but gain at least some back, yes, attacking lawfully get more troops back, but bashing loses less troops, it balances out if you bash, so not really a big disincentive here as the relative loses are still minimised.

b) get a bounty ONLY on the person that you attacked, in bashing cases and normal attack cases, they are either too small to hurt you back, or your route has an advantage over theirs, again, little disincentive

Also back with experience, there was a PERMANENT bonus as a very very good incentive for people to choose not to bash and attack people similar size, with now you only get a bit more injured troops back, big whoop you can probably get those troops back in a day or so anyway.

So all in all, bashers were punished a lot more severely with the old system and non-bashers are not being rewarded as much as before.

[Cyrus]

get over it. we've all had it

[KISA]

Not paying enough attention, could someone explain what is supposed to become the disincentive to bashing?

[Garrett]

there never really was one. the l/f et al, were more style opportunities. those who wanted value, never cared. if you don't care about value then you are still attacking at a 'lawful' level.

[willymchilybily]

Not paying enough attention, could someone explain what is supposed to become the disincentive to bashing?


poor unit returns. and eventually maybe even less land return. instead of stealing 15% of someones land you may end up stealing 5-10%

i think

[Garrett]

land reduction not implemented yet. injury rates still a lil buggy. I've gained more injuries back on an unlawful attack than I have from a lawful attack.

[Terrakan]

XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 563,663,044 ETA 4 ticks. 15.7bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 194,716,149 ETA 3 ticks. 9.7bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 177,003,677 ETA 3 ticks. 12bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 160,373,261 ETA 2 ticks. 6.4bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 94,445,805 ETA 1 tick. 4.5bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 230,833,628 ETA 1 tick. 13.7bill in value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 310,697,239 Attacking for 3 ticks. 13.5bill in Value
Total: 1,731,732,803 incoming hostile

so a total of 75.5bill in value to attack a 5.5bill value player if thats not bashing then wtf is??

oh and to top it all off he only had 5.6K land ha ha

Bashing & Enigma FTW!!!!!!

[Crumpet]

I'm not really sure about that, Crumpet.

It seems to take about as much "skill" to find a target who won't recieve adequate defence and has tasty land as it does to find someone who has a bounty and no units with which he can hurt you, which is pretty much what Bounty was. Find someone who can't fight back, rush lethals and them, and wahey, free money.

Has there really been much of an increase in bashing since L/F has been removed?

I've had NO trouble attacking anyone. I can send out two attack a day and get close to 1k land if not more and that is without attacking with a mod. Since L/F has been removed and nothing is in place to stop people from attacking so low they are just mass bashing far more than anything I've seen in the rounds I've played, even if they are far fewer than most.


land reduction not implemented yet. injury rates still a lil buggy. I've gained more injuries back on an unlawful attack than I have from a lawful attack.


And this should have been implemented prior to the round starting because not having it has but things at odds, imo.

[Cyrus]

XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 563,663,044 ETA 4 ticks. 15.7bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 194,716,149 ETA 3 ticks. 9.7bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 177,003,677 ETA 3 ticks. 12bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 160,373,261 ETA 2 ticks. 6.4bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 94,445,805 ETA 1 tick. 4.5bill in Value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 230,833,628 ETA 1 tick. 13.7bill in value
XXX of XXX [XXXX] XXX of XXX [XXXX] Attacking 310,697,239 Attacking for 3 ticks. 13.5bill in Value
Total: 1,731,732,803 incoming hostile

so a total of 75.5bill in value to attack a 5.5bill value player if thats not bashing then wtf is??

oh and to top it all off he only had 5.6K land ha ha

Bashing & Enigma FTW!!!!!!

your alli score could = majority of that. and you fire first, and you more than likely get 70% men back and they get 20-30%? if you had planned defence to see which tick you would have been ebst taking them you may have defeated them?
however i dont know if you had other incs at the time. im only guessing you didnt

[Twigley]

Looking at your alliance page and seeing huge incs is one of the only reasons i play.
I enjoy working out where the reals are etc.
Gives me a buzz when i can make it all recall or kil it :)

And when you organise a mass bash on 2/3 targets and you spy them just after everyone sent - it looks so damn sexy!
Great buzz :D

[Enrico]

...a total of 75.5bill in value to attack a 5.5bill value player if thats not bashing then wtf is??

oh and to top it all off he only had 5.6K land ha ha

Bashing & Enigma FTW!!!!!!


your alli score could = majority of that. and you fire first, and you more than likely get 70% men back and they get 20-30%? if you had planned defence to see which tick you would have been ebst taking them you may have defeated them?
however i dont know if you had other incs at the time. im only guessing you didnt

70%... a bash like that would hit the max injury-return of 80% I think.

Kinda silly.. I prefer a good wave to a mindless bash. If you have that many people eager to send, wpread them out on multiple targets, with fakes, flaks, followups and such. Much more enjoyable on both sides, and the reward is often greater.

As a surefire way to decrease bashing, set minimum injuries at 0%. If you bash, your staff dies permanently, that would be a nice incentive to put up even a minor defence, as the defender would have to kill only 1/4 of his own losses to make a impact. Similarly for attacks against tiny targets...

[Cyrus]

i agree the minimum reutrn rate should be zero, its fustrating fighting people so big and beating them but them getting shedloads back still.

i really do enjoy the way injury makes it easier to defender bigger incs

[Augustus]

Exactly! Which is the problem with this game now. When I first started it took skill to play and get a good rank and to portal. Now all you need are a few friends that you can call and few tiny targets you can mash into nothing and get the ranks you used to have to work for. At least l/f and bounty took skill to get! Now there is no skill needed to play at all.

You've summed it up perfectly Crumpet, what is up with this game? I'm relatively new to the game, but already I can see that some of the new changes whilst on face value are great, have actually become detremental to the game. At least with the old system there was non of this lets send 5 mobs at someone who is already in our 40% range, oh and is also the largest member in their alliance crap. It's becoming less of a game and more of a procedure, no skill is involved whatsoever which makes it even more frustrating. Something has to be done in order for the player base to expand rather than shrink.

[Augustus]

i agree the minimum reutrn rate should be zero, its fustrating fighting people so big and beating them but them getting shedloads back still.

i really do enjoy the way injury makes it easier to defender bigger incs

Or how about no return rate for attackers. You didnt get Insurance money when attacking in the old system, so why now all of a sudden? And seeing how it seems the current trend is hit someone who is a small fraction of your size, why should the attacker get any troops back? Maybe injured troops when attacking 70%+ for solos or 50%+ for allied but when hitting someone with an eta mod, why the hell should you get troops back? Its already obvious your going to smoosh them!

[Melnibone]

Augustus to be perfectly honest ive had enough of listening to your 'no skill' arguments. Do you even have the faintest idea of what your talking about???

All these honourable players who dont bash and only attack in their opinion lawfully and claim to be skillful because of it are just plain wrong

If you attack between 70% and 200% of your score what is the actual procedure involved - you put 70 and 200 in the score range boxes then hit search, then you hax and spy to find the easiest and most rewarding target to kill if the first target isnt one thats perfect then you select the next or the next etc etc how can that be called a skill??? you mean a little knowledge of the routes your good against and time to search???

If you attack between 30% and 70% guess what you do EXACTLY THE SAME BLOODY THING!!!!! only difference is your self opinion of what your doing personally i started this round same as everyone else with 5 acres etc etc if your in my 30% its because ive been more active, more skilled or been in a better ally why shouldnt i attack you???

So for skill substitute choice, unless ofc your an rpg player for example and you attack exclusiveley s/o players above 70% (that would take skill or most anti-routes, rpgs just an example) anything else is finding the right target for you, i played bushtarion when the minimum score to attack was 15% and i could stay alive against a top alliance hitting me more recently i've been m/o of an alliance that held rank 2 against an agrressive ally of skilled players who bashed/waved used every tactic in bush to break us but we held and they were 3-5 times our score

The problem is not the game the l/f the odds or anything like that its whiny little pussies that when they cant win blame the game as opposed to their own lack of skill thats why l/f was introduced as too many people complained that others were better than them so there had to be a way to make sure top players didnt get easy land (i assume players who were sore losers werent buying BC's any more and hey it is azzers livelihood)

End of the day find if your good enough you'll be in a position to choose to bash or not to bash (and it is a choice not any skill or lack thereof) if your not you'll be on the receiving end and i personally wont stop attacking people because they suck in fact thats a good incentive for me to attack them more

[Souls]

...a total of 75.5bill in value to attack a 5.5bill value player if thats not bashing then wtf is??

oh and to top it all off he only had 5.6K land ha ha

Bashing & Enigma FTW!!!!!!


your alli score could = majority of that. and you fire first, and you more than likely get 70% men back and they get 20-30%? if you had planned defence to see which tick you would have been ebst taking them you may have defeated them?
however i dont know if you had other incs at the time. im only guessing you didnt

70%... a bash like that would hit the max injury-return of 80% I think.

Kinda silly.. I prefer a good wave to a mindless bash. If you have that many people eager to send, wpread them out on multiple targets, with fakes, flaks, followups and such. Much more enjoyable on both sides, and the reward is often greater.

As a surefire way to decrease bashing, set minimum injuries at 0%. If you bash, your staff dies permanently, that would be a nice incentive to put up even a minor defence, as the defender would have to kill only 1/4 of his own losses to make a impact. Similarly for attacks against tiny targets...

Problem is that as it is now, your return rates are lowered by the amount of defenders. You could be facing an overwhelming incoming and have 10 defenders about half the size, and still only get 50% returns.

[Haplo]

You've summed it up perfectly Crumpet, what is up with this game? I'm relatively new to the game, but already I can see that some of the new changes whilst on face value are great, have actually become detremental to the game. At least with the old system there was non of this lets send 5 mobs at someone who is already in our 40% range, oh and is also the largest member in their alliance crap. It's becoming less of a game and more of a procedure, no skill is involved whatsoever which makes it even more frustrating. Something has to be done in order for the player base to expand rather than shrink.

That was me and my mates! :P but it's not lack of skill I tell you. Try attacking honourably on your own in top50 and with puppet route no less! And people will whine even when I or other reasonably high ranked psolos get on the bandwagon when big alliances attack each other. I suppose high ranked solos should just sit on their land and wait for incs :|

[Crumpet]

You've summed it up perfectly Crumpet, what is up with this game? I'm relatively new to the game, but already I can see that some of the new changes whilst on face value are great, have actually become detremental to the game. At least with the old system there was non of this lets send 5 mobs at someone who is already in our 40% range, oh and is also the largest member in their alliance crap. It's becoming less of a game and more of a procedure, no skill is involved whatsoever which makes it even more frustrating. Something has to be done in order for the player base to expand rather than shrink.

That was me and my mates! :P but it's not lack of skill I tell you. Try attacking honourably on your own in top50 and with puppet route no less! And people will whine even when I or other reasonably high ranked psolos get on the bandwagon when big alliances attack each other. I suppose high ranked solos should just sit on their land and wait for incs :|

Cry about it. If it's so hard to keep AR up then don't be damn solo. The fact you need 5-6 other people with you when you're in the top 50 and attacking someone that is not even close to the top 100 just to be successful is bullshit. If it's so damn hard being in the top 50 then don't try so hard to get there and then sweat your balls off without AR. And bandwagon my ass. You've been on one of us plenty of time just you and your "mates." Stop making damn excuses to bash people.

[Haplo]

Haha get over it. You know you had more than enough people in your ally to stop us. It's not like an alliance was coming after you. If you cant organize a def against an inc that could've been easily stopped with 5-10 members (yes I know you are a lot smaller but you DO have 18 players in your ally, yes?) maybe it's you that should stop being in an alliance, or at least in one that is unsummonable when your members have inc. And for the record i dont mind getting attacked by top20. Keeps the game interesting. For some reason I havent been attacked for some time now tho :( *me hopes that maybe crumpet comes after my sorry ass with her friends*

EDIT:

And why should I attack against an alliance on my own? I start planning an attack against an alliance from the assumption that he will get def. It's not like I am ganging up on solo's...

[Crumpet]

It may as well be a damn ally! I know what I'm seeing right now and it's damn close to a whole ally give or take a few members. You guys abuse being solo and tbh it's pathetic.

[Haplo]

I'm not doing anything in bush right now so maybe you've confused me with someone else? ;)

[Crumpet]

I'm not doing anything in bush right now so maybe you've confused me with someone else? ;)


Mmmhmm, Then why don't you ask your 12+ mates what they're doing? I'm sure you have "nothing" to do with it. The sad thing is you guys use this as a claim to fame. All the solos bash a small alliances for ***** and giggles and think your gaming gods. Just some more sorry ass pricks and one more reason for decent people to leave the game.

[Terrakan]

EDIT BY DARRYL; DO NOT POST IDS ON THE BUSHTARION FORUMS, PLEASE READ THE GUIDELINES!

[Haplo]

I'm not part of those solo's... Got me like 4 guys I've attacked with/am in contact with. And only one of them is my size (~10bish) and the rest are very small (2-4b). So get your facts straight before you accuse me anymore :twisted:

EDIT:

BTW quick response there by darryl ;)

[Crumpet]

I'm not part of those solo's... Got me like 4 guys I've attacked with/am in contact with. And only one of them is my size (~10bish) and the rest are very small (2-4b). So get your facts straight before you accuse me anymore :twisted:


Oh really!? That's not what I've been hearing ;) So stop lying to cover your own ass.

[Martin]

Could it not be coincidence that more than one person/group is hitting you at the same time?

Isn't it a bit unfair to accuse someone of something which you can't prove, you'll find if you're a good target more people will want to attack you.

Then again, I bet at least one person in your ally hit a solo during the flak wars and passed on the ID, Haplo is just getting revenge.



DEAL WITH IT!

[Crumpet]

Could it not be coincidence that more than one person/group is hitting you at the same time?

Isn't it a bit unfair to accuse someone of something which you can't prove, you'll find if you're a good target more people will want to attack you.

Then again, I bet at least one person in your ally hit a solo during the flak wars and passed on the ID, Haplo is just getting revenge.



DEAL WITH IT!


I hate when people say ****ing deal with it. You only say that because you aren't having to deal with it yourselves. If it were you or someone else griping it would be a whole different story but no one gives a **** until the tables are turned. So as far as I'm concerned this would be me dealing. I'm griping about something that pisses me off and I can't do **** all about. Tada, dealing!

[Martin]

Do you believe I have never been bashed?

If you consider this dealing then that's fine, but I disagree with your gripe, and these come up every round (sometimes several times) and it's just the same stuff, everytime....

[CrazyMonkey]

A thread like this happens every round complaining about bashing etc.

Bashing is a part of the game, you saying he bashed me this and that doesnt change anything.

Deal with it.

[Crumpet]

Do you believe I have never been bashed?

If you consider this dealing then that's fine, but I disagree with your gripe, and these come up every round (sometimes several times) and it's just the same stuff, everytime....


Marty, I've played with you. I've seen ally attacks and I've seen waves. Hell, you've even shown me the best way to do those things. This is far beyond anything I've experienced and has NEVER been an issue before. Now there is nothing stopping this it's becoming unbearable and quite unfair. I wish you could have been here and seen the incomings we've had all day then maybe you'd understand what's really going on this round and why I even brought it up in the first place since I've not once said anything in any other bashing thread that has been posted in previous rounds.

[Polo]

Do you believe I have never been bashed?

If you consider this dealing then that's fine, but I disagree with your gripe, and these come up every round (sometimes several times) and it's just the same stuff, everytime....


Marty, I've played with you. I've seen ally attacks and I've seen waves. Hell, you've even shown me the best way to do those things. This is far beyond anything I've experienced and has NEVER been an issue before. Now there is nothing stopping this it's becoming unbearable and quite unfair. I wish you could have been here and seen the incomings we've had all day then maybe you'd understand what's really going on this round and why I even brought it up in the first place since I've not once said anything in any other bashing thread that has been posted in previous rounds.
You were in Dixyslea, no? Do you not remember the insane amount of incoming we had? And nobody ever complained. Same with Retarted last round.

[Crumpet]

Do you believe I have never been bashed?

If you consider this dealing then that's fine, but I disagree with your gripe, and these come up every round (sometimes several times) and it's just the same stuff, everytime....


Marty, I've played with you. I've seen ally attacks and I've seen waves. Hell, you've even shown me the best way to do those things. This is far beyond anything I've experienced and has NEVER been an issue before. Now there is nothing stopping this it's becoming unbearable and quite unfair. I wish you could have been here and seen the incomings we've had all day then maybe you'd understand what's really going on this round and why I even brought it up in the first place since I've not once said anything in any other bashing thread that has been posted in previous rounds.
You were in Dixyslea, no? Do you not remember the insane amount of incoming we had? And nobody ever complained. Same with Retarted last round.


The game play was so different then. You couldn't attack people lower than 70% without getting some type of punishment for it. People didn't send 7-10 people on a tick at one person unless it was in the resistance. It's like 15+ solo's all of a sudden felt it was needed to resist against an alliance that isn't even close to being rank one nor will ever be rank 1. That is what I'm saying is bashing. Not a few people here and there ally attacking. I'm talking a mass amount of people on one person who is hardly land fat at all therefore not getting any real benefit from it.

[Cyrus]

This is far beyond anything I've experienced and has NEVER been an issue before.

i hereby point you to the exact same thread you made last round when AS got wtfpwned by 5 allis xD you there were the only 1 moaning about being bashed and threatened to give up many a time.

like martin said deal with it, and if you come back with "you havnt been bashed this round then obviously" i shall spork you because my alli got WTFMCHAMMERED by interlube, enigma and pest till we had hardly any acres.

k


thx


bai.

[Crumpet]

This is far beyond anything I've experienced and has NEVER been an issue before.

i hereby point you to the exact same thread you made last round when AS got wtfpwned by 5 allis xD you there were the only 1 moaning about being bashed and threatened to give up many a time.

like martin said deal with it, and if you come back with "you havnt been bashed this round then obviously" i shall spork you because my alli got WTFMCHAMMERED by interlube, enigma and pest till we had hardly any acres.

k


thx


bai.


Flaming is not tolerated on these forums. Consider this your first and only unofficial warning. -Darryl.

[Cyrus]

personal insults because you have no ammo for your gripe good good.

back on topic, your whining because your getting owned so what

GET OVER YOURSELF yes the game should leave poor crumpet alone, oh dear.

[Reub]

Bashing is apart of the game. It always has been, and it always will be. It's the way it is. Crumpet you have been around long enough to be able to accept this?

Bash the people who bashed you back! That's where lots of he fun comes in...

It seems people more so this round, don't want to be attacked in a game which is based around wars.

[Crumpet]

personal insults because you have no ammo for your gripe good good.

back on topic, your whining because your getting owned so what

GET OVER YOURSELF yes the game should leave poor crumpet alone, oh dear.


We are hardly getting owned lmao.

I can ***** about this all I want so **** you! It's a gripe thread so get the **** over it. If you don't wanna hear about it don't ****ing read it.

[Souls]

And why should I attack against an alliance on my own? I start planning an attack against an alliance from the assumption that he will get def. It's not like I am ganging up on solo's...


Funny that you should mention it. I never had any problem playing and attacking as a solo puppet last round, nor did StandAlone, and we were both in the top 20 for a good portion of the round. It's honestly not that hard. :P

[pinpower]

lol, crumpet..this isnt a comment about you as a person...

but...this thread (and the posts you have made in it) are pretty pathetic...

calm down, and get on with it..it happens to everyone, you've been around long enough to know that...stop moaning!

[Crumpet]

lol, crumpet..this isnt a comment about you as a person...

but...this thread (and the posts you have made in it) are pretty pathetic...

calm down, and get on with it..it happens to everyone, you've been around long enough to know that...stop moaning!


Is the point of a gripe thread not to gripe? I think I'm very well aware at how "pathetic" it may be but since this part of the forum is here I'm damn well gonna use it when I see fit. So maybe you all should stop moaning about me moaning and just not read it ;)

[Cyrus]

would you like some cheese with that whine?

you guys have bashed people lower than you. one rule for yourself one rule for everyone else?

[Souls]

would you like some cheese with that whine?

you guys have bashed people lower than you. one rule for yourself one rule for everyone else?

Ah, but there's a difference between 20 men planning a bash and one guy going "Hey, if you want to attack this alli go for it, I am". ;)

[Cyrus]

can you hear the *sirens*?

here they come look........
.......
........
..........
..............
................its the bullcrap police.

g g g g g g g get over ittttttttttttttttt.

[Loz]

And why should I attack against an alliance on my own? I start planning an attack against an alliance from the assumption that he will get def. It's not like I am ganging up on solo's...


Funny that you should mention it. I never had any problem playing and attacking as a solo puppet last round, nor did StandAlone, and we were both in the top 20 for a good portion of the round. It's honestly not that hard. :P


idd souls you attacked me a few times

:cry:

[Crumpet]

would you like some cheese with that whine?

you guys have bashed people lower than you. one rule for yourself one rule for everyone else?

We haven't bashed anyone...? We don't even ally attack ffs lmao We all go out and do our own attacks, one on one, ALONE. We don't send all 20 of us on a mass wave on someone that is 30% of our biggest member ;)

[Alvestein]

pfffft tbh i agree with crumpet. sure there has and always will be bashing but this round bashing has become the NORMAL, thats when you gotta start wondering why?? why i say! ¬¬


btw i reckon all you guys who keep moaning at crumpet about her gripes *cough cyrus cough* you're being pretty (insert word of your choice) because as you can tell bashing ISNT the same this round as any other round and telling someone to stop moaning about being pathetic when calling them names and being patronising is well..just pathetic! ironic isnt it :roll:

[Chewie]

lol, crumpet..this isnt a comment about you as a person...

but...this thread (and the posts you have made in it) are pretty pathetic...

calm down, and get on with it..it happens to everyone, you've been around long enough to know that...stop moaning!


Is the point of a gripe thread not to gripe? I think I'm very well aware at how "pathetic" it may be but since this part of the forum is here I'm damn well gonna use it when I see fit. So maybe you all should stop moaning about me moaning and just not read it ;)

It doesn't stop it being equally boring. The injury system stops all this **** ffs. Yes it is a gripe thread but yes noone fakking cares. write it in your hournal for future reference. it spams the forums and its always funny to laugh at people who dont like shock and awe tactics.

can you hear the *sirens*?

here they come look........
.......
........
..........
..............
................its the bullcrap police.

g g g g g g g get over ittttttttttttttttt.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

and Hiuey stop suking crumpets balls :P it doesn't help you dammit!!!

[Alvestein]

but balls taste o so good :( you should try them some day.

[Haplo]

would you like some cheese with that whine?

you guys have bashed people lower than you. one rule for yourself one rule for everyone else?

We haven't bashed anyone...? We don't even ally attack ffs lmao We all go out and do our own attacks, one on one, ALONE. We don't send all 20 of us on a mass wave on someone that is 30% of our biggest member ;)

What's the point of your alliance then? :roll: I mean just deffing cant be the point you guys have put up an alliance?

[Crumpet]

would you like some cheese with that whine?

you guys have bashed people lower than you. one rule for yourself one rule for everyone else?

We haven't bashed anyone...? We don't even ally attack ffs lmao We all go out and do our own attacks, one on one, ALONE. We don't send all 20 of us on a mass wave on someone that is 30% of our biggest member ;)

What's the point of your alliance then? :roll: I mean just deffing cant be the point you guys have put up an alliance?


It's not like we can attack when we have constant incoming ;) And when we can we go out and do it on our own without the other 20 people because allied or not allied we are capable of getting things done on our own and only call on some help (1-2 people not ****ing 6-7) when we really feel it's needed, which I might add isn't often.

Let Hiuey he's entitled to his opinion.

Injury system is so ****ed up that it doesn't help ****. Have you not been reading the gripes about injury thread? Read up before you let the **** fall out your mouth.

[Cyrus]

you guys havnt seen **** yet, you guys dont know what real incomming is. you cant accept being raped. well guess what we dont care. now stfu please. my eyes are burning up.

[Souls]

you guys havnt seen smeg yet, you guys dont know what real incomming is. you cant accept being raped. well guess what we dont care. now stfu please. my eyes are burning up.

You can't complain about what you read if you aren't forced to read it. ;)

[Darryl]

you guys havnt seen smeg yet, you guys dont know what real incomming is. you cant accept being raped. well guess what we dont care. now stfu please. my eyes are burning up.


Cyrus, stop trolling. You've made several posts on this topic, all of which have been either telling people to stfu, or asking mods to lock the topic, if you don't like reading it, then simply don't. I will not take kindly to a repeat of any of the posts that you've made.

[Reub]

would you like some cheese with that whine?

you guys have bashed people lower than you. one rule for yourself one rule for everyone else?

We haven't bashed anyone...? We don't even ally attack ffs lmao We all go out and do our own attacks, one on one, ALONE. We don't send all 20 of us on a mass wave on someone that is 30% of our biggest member ;)
That's not playing competitively then is it?

That's fine if you wish to play that way, stop whining and critisising others for their style of play.

This thread has been a joke since you made it Crumpet.

[Chewie]

would you like some cheese with that whine?

you guys have bashed people lower than you. one rule for yourself one rule for everyone else?

We haven't bashed anyone...? We don't even ally attack ffs lmao We all go out and do our own attacks, one on one, ALONE. We don't send all 20 of us on a mass wave on someone that is 30% of our biggest member ;)

What's the point of your alliance then? :roll: I mean just deffing cant be the point you guys have put up an alliance?


It's not like we can attack when we have constant incoming ;) And when we can we go out and do it on our own without the other 20 people because allied or not allied we are capable of getting things done on our own and only call on some help (1-2 people not smegging 6-7) when we really feel it's needed, which I might add isn't often.

Let Hiuey he's entitled to his opinion.

Injury system is so smegged up that it doesn't help smeg. Have you not been reading the gripes about injury thread? Read up before you let the smeg fall out your mouth.

injury isn't smegged up though thats the thing, the only major error in it is Vampires and unless your being raped by 6-7 vampire players then you dont really have an arguement or an alliance with armour based units. 6-7 isnt big incoming. enigma have been totalling over 100 incomings at some stages and not once have they complained on here. They dealth with it and tried to put up a good fight. you should do the same.

[Bobbin]

Guys and girls. Stop with the flaming/trolling. If it continues I'll have to lock this thread, if you want to discuss/gripe about the state of bashing in the game then go ahead. But the flaming and trolling stops here. If people still continue I'm not opposed to sending out warnings and the like.

[Lordie]

Well bashing has taken hold once more, as it did last round. I think something needs to be implemented that allows for no one alliance to dominate a round, but also discourages multiple alliances to use the several alliances on one tactic.

The injury system does, however, need to be tweaked - for the sole purpose that for defending mass waves, defenders receive just a small, inconsistent return rate, not much more than what the many attackers receive.

Just some thoughts, please don't troll me, heh.

P.S, stop being so mean to Crumpet! She just stated her opinion, free society, can't abuse someone because they think differently to you.

-Lordie-

[willymchilybily]

i wasnt going to reply. i felt it pointles to say anythign when the thread gets this long as it either keeps going and no one will read what you said. or its dies off.

but as there is a chance of it getting locked then well i better say something.

how some one attacks is up to them. It can be sayed and influenced by the fact that they get less land, get less men back, or thier attacks take longer. or any other penalisation that were around in the system at any time, such as l/f and bounty. But in the end. if it works for them and thats all they know how to do. then that is what they do.

and yes if the system(azzer) doesnt want them to do it like that it makes it more benificial to do it differently. meaning attacking honourablly retains more men gives more land and takes less time. (or will eventually) so you should be able to progress faster buy playing the game honourably. if azzer didn't want people to chose how they play the game then he would have set the mininum attack range at 40% or 60% or what ever he likes. But he chose 30%.

and any one is entitled to attack how they like. so if those tactics work for them. then theres nothing to stop you using them. the only thing azzer can do is discourage it. by giving the advantage to people that attack honourably. and only when they run out of honourable targets attack lower valued targets.

so gripe away. it wont change anything until age 4.5 is fully implimented, so i hope you feel better.

Ps.

would you like some cheese with that whine?

one of the funniest coments ive read yet =D

[Crumpet]

And that's the issue. He's taken away the honourable part of attacking. Now everyone is attack with Mods and even getting more on one target then is needed on an alliance that is 1/5th of their alliances size. There is nothing honourable to go for anymore.

The changes that were made should have been done right off the bat or not at all. If the new bashing system were in place I think the way attacking has been this round would not have ever happened because they wouldn't get any benefit from it what so ever. Right now they can attack as freely as they like and get no penalty such as less land or it taking longer for their injured to get home. It's a damn free for all.

Griping about it might not change it but it's something that needs to be taken care of because a lot of people that used to play the game "honourable" can no longer do it when they have to sit home and defend mass incomings from alliances 3-4 times their size. Not to mention they no longer have anything to work for now that l/f and bounty hunting are gone.

[Souls]

would you like some cheese with that whine?

you guys have bashed people lower than you. one rule for yourself one rule for everyone else?

We haven't bashed anyone...? We don't even ally attack ffs lmao We all go out and do our own attacks, one on one, ALONE. We don't send all 20 of us on a mass wave on someone that is 30% of our biggest member ;)

What's the point of your alliance then? :roll: I mean just deffing cant be the point you guys have put up an alliance?


It's not like we can attack when we have constant incoming ;) And when we can we go out and do it on our own without the other 20 people because allied or not allied we are capable of getting things done on our own and only call on some help (1-2 people not smegging 6-7) when we really feel it's needed, which I might add isn't often.

Let Hiuey he's entitled to his opinion.

Injury system is so smegged up that it doesn't help smeg. Have you not been reading the gripes about injury thread? Read up before you let the smeg fall out your mouth.

injury isn't smegged up though thats the thing, the only major error in it is Vampires and unless your being raped by 6-7 vampire players then you dont really have an arguement or an alliance with armour based units. 6-7 isnt big incoming. enigma have been totalling over 100 incomings at some stages and not once have they complained on here. They dealth with it and tried to put up a good fight. you should do the same.

But the injury system is messed up, that's the problem.

Battle Report - Attacking A guy 80% of me and his defender [xxxx]
[range] 3,000,000 allied EMP Warrior attacked, killing 399,438 hostile staff.
[range] 7,395,204 hostile Terrorist attacked, killing 42,460,220 allied staff.
[range] 1,811,591 hostile Hooligan attacked, disabling 1,065,961 allied staff.
[range] 4,187,431 allied Harrier attacked, killing 4,550,146 hostile staff.
[range] 5,607,602 allied Ranger attacked, killing 11,014,424 hostile staff.
[range] 1,260,514 hostile Jeep attacked, killing 533,748 allied staff.
[range] 161,166 hostile Heavy Weapons attacked, killing 254,045 allied staff.

Disabled: 1,065,961 [£53,385,011,000] friendlies disabled.
Died: 43,248,013 [£178,404,119,600] friendlies dead. 15,964,008 [£472,932,630,200] enemies dead.

You gained 763,851 effectiveness.

I got 17% returns on that attack. I got punished for sending in the "lawful" range, and fighting defence. That shouldn't happen.

And, as Lordie stated, the injury rates for defenders drops with multiple defenders. A bash normally calls for massive defence, but why is the defence getting penalized for it as well?

[tomtree]

theres nothing wrong with bashing.

[Loz]

just a thourt..

if you get bashed bash people back :shock:

[Haplo]

Ye :P I'm still waiting for that 20-man-retal attack. Must say that I am losing my faith in the good old "he 0ed me/member of my ally, now lets gangrape his sorry arse back to stoneage!" :cry:

[tomtree]

Ye :P I'm still waiting for that 20-man-retal attack. Must say that I am losing my faith in the good old "he 0ed me/member of my ally, now lets gangrape his sorry arse back to stoneage!" :cry:

thats how the game should be (i cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not), but people need to fight back when they get beaten down, not just give up, people should think "they killed us, so we are going to get them back twice as bad", it would make the game so much more fun.

[Souls]

Ye :P I'm still waiting for that 20-man-retal attack. Must say that I am losing my faith in the good old "he 0ed me/member of my ally, now lets gangrape his sorry arse back to stoneage!" :cry:

thats how the game should be (i cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not), but people need to fight back when they get beaten down, not just give up, people should think "they killed us, so we are going to get them back twice as bad", it would make the game so much more fun.

Well you see, the problem with that ideology, is that if you're bashed, you're bashed by people much bigger than you. There is no hitting back. ;)

[tomtree]

Ye :P I'm still waiting for that 20-man-retal attack. Must say that I am losing my faith in the good old "he 0ed me/member of my ally, now lets gangrape his sorry arse back to stoneage!" :cry:

thats how the game should be (i cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not), but people need to fight back when they get beaten down, not just give up, people should think "they killed us, so we are going to get them back twice as bad", it would make the game so much more fun.

Well you see, the problem with that ideology, is that if you're bashed, you're bashed by people much bigger than you. There is no hitting back. ;)


true, but people should want to do everything they can in order to get back and have a go, tbh i dont see the problem with bashing, it may be really annoying to those being bashed, but it is a fair, and very effective tactic, you just need to bash everyone else before they bash you, :D

[Haplo]

How is it impossible for an alliance (even small) to get back at a big solo...? There's bound to be times when the solo and his pnaps are offline. I know that my online coverage is only 4-6 hours a day and I think that not many solo's have more than that... so that leaves at least 15 hours a day to get us :P But really I am just taunting people to come after me, because I want some bribes :twisted:

[atsanjose]

I love bashes, it saves time i only have to defend one person.

[Silence]

The whole point of a attack is to overpower defence and get acres or 0 the target (sometimes both). Why piss around with "fair" fights when you can do it preoperly 1st time :D

Ive been on the other end of bashes. Sucks yes, but with injuries even if you are online you dont lose much. And the whole fun of the game is gathering the acres anyways =P

Saying "bashing is bad I would never pick on a small target who cant defend himself" is a little ignorant. Clearly you have if you have gained acres before =P They could defend their acres so when someone does it to you it is evil and requires a whole post :o

<3 you really Crumpet but complaining because of the way the game will be played is a little silly. Just smile and attack back for fun =)

[CLem]

Saying "bashing is bad I would never pick on a small target who cant defend himself" is a little ignorant. Clearly you have if you have gained acres before =P They could defend their acres so when someone does it to you it is evil and requires a whole post :o

You can gain acres by attacking on you own and not rely on bash, yes bashing is "required" when you want to break an alliance's defense, and it is impossible to justify what is a "good" bash and what is a "bad" bash, example: resistance is bashing, is it good or bad?? Sending loads at an alliance and publishing it and getting other players to help, is it good or bad?? It just come down to the style of the player(s) and what they think is a justified bash.

It is an essential part of the game but whilst the people at the top with enough time get his/her buzz out of it, it does discourage smaller people when they are on the receiving end more often then the ones in good alliances. But without it, the rounds will be decided too soon and be boring as resistance is a bash.

Flame me all you want, but the people at the top ranks will always say deal with it and the ones below will always gripe, it is just the way it is, so people that tells the griper to deal with it, here is what I have for you "Deal with it, they are going to moan and they have the right to" ;)

[Melnibone]

TBH i dont understand people complaining about bashing i have bashed and been bashed all round

Atm i am one of 5 people on a tick against a smaller alliance bashing my way through for land and kills, this time last week i had 100 attackers on the same tick hitting me, yes i could play all round and not bash or be bashed but wheres the fun??

If i get 3 or 4 randoms spread across my whole ally (no matter which allies or players send) i can almost 100% guarantee that my alliance can cover it, likewise if i send on a half decent ally i know i will need no's to get through as bushtarion is simply a rock/scissors/paper game for all the little tweaks here and there one on one even with a large score differential vamps kill s/o, s/o kills rpg, rpg kills robo etc etc

To be bashed by a top ally you need to be in range of them and i dont mean just one low member i mean ALL or MOST of their members or its hardly a bash is it?? Therefore logic follows that you have stepped up a league in class if you or your ally are not ready to fight the top allies then you have options

1) seek a different ally who will grow with you and try to protect you
2) if your group cant deal go solo prove your skill and you will recieve offers if not for this round then for next definately
3) learn how to deal with bashes (it is not only possible but really simple once you've done it a few times)

To any new or newish players entering the top ranks it may seem daunting at first but to use myself as an example when i started playing the attack limit was 10% there was no limits on attack/defense there was no land score in the game and those first groups i learned to play with included Tim,Darryl,Meneldil,Charlie_B,LordErtz,Martin,Twigley,Sordes etc etc we all learned together how to fight wars and survive and as most of the names mentioned are either legends or will be considered so someday ingame i think maybe everyone who gripes at these threads should take some time to have a long hard think.... you can either spend your time complaining (which will change nothing) or devote that time to working out ways to improve your style and gameplay so that you can survive the bashes and learn how to bash back and win

Personally i hope its the former as it will allow me with my limited skill and even more limited gametime to stay in the top ranks and seem accomplished but the game could really do with more of the latter or else we'll still be stagnant 3-4 rds from now.......