The game.

[Twigley]

Few complaints.
Just to gripe to get off my chest.

Injury system is fine for lower players.
But makes resistence and wars at top impossible.

A) Try to catch top alliance(s) offline
B) Try get enough people to send
C) Get through defence ( Make sure another 19 ppl are offline )
D) Hope he doesnt get called
E) If you do kill him, wait 3 hours before he gets 60% back!
F) Repeat 10 times to player.
G) Repeat 200 times to alliance
H) Hope every hit is a success
I) Hope for no retals.

Good luck with that.
Makes me not want to war.

Maybe suggestion: Top alliance(s) gets reduced insuarnce back? If not at all?

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War system - I dont want to have to launch a declaration on an ally. I prefer to do it swiftly without them knowing. This method sucks.
Also if you get ally points added for this then its very bad idea.
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Player base - SUCKS!
Only 3 decent allies this round :o
Lots of allies donating land to rank 1 ally :(


Ok my gripe is over.
I feel better!

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[DarkSider]

You only look at it from one side. How about:

Top value alliance will mainly do unlawfull attacks giving them some 30%(?) troops back while target gets at least 60%, all defenders at least 40%. The 30% might not be accurate, maybe they can get back even less from very bad l/f.
Their land gains will be smaller once Azzer implements part 2, and he said they can go down even to 5%. That might be alot of risk and effort for small gains.
Probably the way resistance should go this round is to slowly build up and let insurance work in their favour until they are strong enough to be able to stay on one attack even with 1-2 defenders.

[Azzer]

I'd also recommend all alliances involved in a resistance utilise war declarations. The "big alliance" will only be able to do it back to one alliance (and only if in range).

This gives you the advantage of crippling their units for a much longer period of time ;)

Not to mention your injury rates will likely be higher than theirs - their defenders get 40%, the victims get 60%, attackers will get 50% but up to an extra 15% when attacking above themselves enough... so potentially gaining back more troops than the victim themselves even (let alone the natural base rates giving an advantage over other defenders).

[dafe]

try being solo and lose a crap load of staff and have to wait 18 ticks before you can defend yourself decent again...and getting attacked in that time by a mob you normally wouldve stopped if that staff was home/you could rebuy it with insurrance...all with all im not too fond of this injury system...it sounded nice but doesnt work as good as it was supposed to in my eyes...if you aint in an ally or have 2 pnaps that are active 24/7 your screwed

[DarkSider]

That was exactly the thing i moaned most. I suggested to give partial insurance or ar to go up to 100% but i'll wait and see what Azzer implements to balance this :)

[Enrico]

I love the injury-system... no need to use insane amounts of flak to ensure your expensive bribers won't die so much ypu dont make a profit. No more waking up to 0 staff and having to rebuild before you can have fun again. :)

As for resistance, as azzer said, declare wars, and cripple them for longer, use bribing or converting to cripple some of the members. (bribed units stay dead)

[IceOfFire]

I actually have to agree with Twigs, the injury system blows. Trying to war at the top sucks! Even more with war decs.

Ok, say i rush a member of interlude, kill a large amount and 3 or 4 of my alliance members do the same, it doesnt have any affect as they are soon to get them back from injury. It just doesnt make sense, it really doesnt.

I see how it makes people not *need* to be contactable and extremely active, but i think it sucks. Either bin the system or make smaller amounts of troops die in injury and return much longer, including in war decs.

[Garrett]

hmm i'm solo and have no vested interest in who wins as an alliance. i have my preferences sure...

but seriously... this now really just needs everyone to start changing the tactics...

instead of trying to break an ally with sheer force of strength with the injury stuff is going to be tougher by far...

in recent rounds I saw less focus on trying to get multiple ticks of land and just try to 0 your enemy for a free run on the land...



now having a wave 3 or so deep per target is essential. you must stop their $$ now more than ever.

Bribing! you must now focus on using bribers so bribed units don't come back. all bribes are 100% losses.

MOTONS! :D if you are short on bikers, mass motons for those pesky pom players (snicker)

step back, survey the land, adjust your tactics, get back to warring :D

[Enrico]

Simple solution: During a declared war, cut all injuries in half!
I.e, would you normally get 50%, you get 25%.

As this would make wars extremly more bloody.

mark, the reduction in injury affects both attacker and defender, but in a one-sided war (i.e an ally below declaring war on a larger ally who cant counterdeclare, the reduction in injuries only happens in the "warzone" i.e the companies of the members of the ally which the war was declared on) as attackers usually can pick their targets to inflict maximum damage this would be a bonus for the attacking side...

To counter the possibility of people "outside" a war taking advantage of this, all damage from such companies (except Psolos who work as normal) gets an added 20% injury, to a max of 85%.

[dafe]

also try keeping your land as pom when you get 400mil+ incoming you can in no way stop...yet you basicly wont get any ar(only like 1 or 2 %) for losing the land so they just can keep coming back over and over again without being able to do a damn thing...gj azzer you totally screwed up solo play with these new changes

[Souls]

also try keeping your land as pom when you get 400mil+ incoming you can in no way stop...yet you basicly wont get any ar(only like 1 or 2 %) for losing the land so they just can keep coming back over and over again without being able to do a damn thing...gj azzer you totally screwed up solo play with these new changes

There's a top 50 solo PoM who just fought off 700mil incoming. Looks perfectly possible to me. :P

[dafe]

also try keeping your land as pom when you get 400mil+ incoming you can in no way stop...yet you basicly wont get any ar(only like 1 or 2 %) for losing the land so they just can keep coming back over and over again without being able to do a damn thing...gj azzer you totally screwed up solo play with these new changes

There's a top 50 solo PoM who just fought off 700mil incoming. Looks perfectly possible to me. :P
yeah if you are big enough you can but i aint that big...and when your like rank 70 and this guy is like top 5 adn gets boosted by some lil friend(rank 480+) which is most likely a multi your unable to grow fast enough to keep up with his and his lil friends growth...and i mean come on...not able to do anything with the "suppose to be best land holding" route and not even getting some decent ar to make your chances better to actually get help(from ar) the 2nd (up to like 20th time) pisses me off...what use is it to even play if you cant do **** against this stuff when your solo

[DarkSider]

What did you had in mind when you went solo pom ? :P Solo poms are like the silly fat kid in the school everybody likes to bully.

[dafe]

What did you had in mind when you went solo pom ? :P Solo poms are like the silly fat kid in the school everybody likes to bully.
youdd be surprised how quiet it was till yesterday...and i didnt plan on going solo in first...but didnt get the ally i was hoping for lol and my supposed to be pnap then became allied so was left behind as solo and i did ok last round as solo pom as well but that was last round, with all these new chances it just sux, no matter what route im sure tho

[Hobbezak]

You're pom and you can't fight off flak? Sorry mate, but then you deserve to get landraped. Gurus do 1:5 on flak, you agree I hope?
Gurus cost 10k, gardeners (cheapest flak) cost 2.2k.
Simple maths: 5 gardeners cost 11k, 1 guru (which can stop 5 gardeners) costs 10k.
My point: Protestor route should be able to stop flak easily. Try being solo rpg, now that's evil. By just sending enough small droids/nutters/hippies... you can flak through, as they have no unit directly targetting INN... ;)

[dafe]

You're pom and you can't fight off flak? Sorry mate, but then you deserve to get landraped. Gurus do 1:5 on flak, you agree I hope?
Gurus cost 10k, gardeners (cheapest flak) cost 2.2k.
Simple maths: 5 gardeners cost 11k, 1 guru (which can stop 5 gardeners) costs 10k.
My point: Protestor route should be able to stop flak easily. Try being solo rpg, now that's evil. By just sending enough small droids/nutters/hippies... you can flak through, as they have no unit directly targetting INN... ;)
i can fight of flak, but not to the extend of rank 5 with me being rank 70 or so...sounds pretty logical to me really and ratios arent what they used to be...gurus rarely ever reach the 1:5 ratios and poms and poms never comes above the 1:7 anymore so yeah its hard to stop 400mil+ with 26mil poms and 30mil gurus and quite some other stuff (and its not a case of having more sweepers as i have enough of those...except for a unit after news vans which i cant get without hypnos)

[willymchilybily]

i retorted to three quotes. and even i couldnt be bothered to read my post :P so edit:

ANYWAY back to my comment like i said land *20,000 or score/16 which ever is highest...for solo's
as ar will step in much past this in general. is the amount of flack you could expect to be attacked with.
so if you can manage a balance that incorperates this. and is able to block that much. then your onto a winner being able to stop 90% of incomings on a flack basis. but to be honest. some routes are very hard to play solo. and all require different tactics

As for allies the only way to kill a smaller allaince is rape thier lands.

and the only way to kill a bigger allaince...is rape thier lands..

wave attack for the win. if 4 people attack one after another one target they can reduce his land if successful to 52% of its original. imagine you wipe out an allie memeber in this way keeps 52% of his land k and gets 60% of his troops. 3hours later. i think thats pretty damn good.

i admit b4 it was easier. they idnt get insurance. but they did have exp. so if you killed them in one hit they had no troops left. if you half killed them they ha exp.
now no matter what you do they get something back.

but it doesnt change anything. just makes alliance wars longer. and more tacticle. not harder. as both sides have equal advantages.

[Scorpio]

Hmm my two cents...

Maybe you can lower the insurance rate for allied players... (to like 30%)
Solo players should be distinguished from alliance players methinks

Does that make any sence? Or have I been away for too many rounds :P

~Scorpio

[Enrico]

Hmm my two cents...

Maybe you can lower the insurance rate for allied players... (to like 30%)
Solo players should be distinguished from alliance players methinks

Does that make any sence? Or have I been away for too many rounds :P

~Scorpio


would make solos WAY overpowered!

A solo wothe 250% of a small allied player could send and send and still get higher injury% than the target...

solos get AR, faster devs and return etas (p-solos).. thats more than enough!

[Scorpio]

True, well then.. maybe not such a drastic difference ie 50% vs 70% or 30% vs 50%

[Davs]

I can't be arsed to read the other posts - this thread just seemed like the best place to ***** about how crap the game seems this round.
Injury system is nice in theory, but could do with tweaking - not sure how, I don't have any real problem with it...

Enemies system seems a tad crap imo - the only way to get a decent bounty is to "abuse" the system by suiciding flak on good targets (maybe I don't see "the big picture" ?)

Here's the real gripe:
WTF is with all the bashing????? I actually deleted my ID and abandoned my alliance this round just because I got fed up by solos ganging up on players at 30% in my alliance. Seriously, this is the worst round I've seen since R15 (my first) and it makes me ashamed to have stayed playing for so long.
Seriously Azzer, your idea to keep new players seems somewhat flawed if you're encouraging people to target players considerably smaller than themselves - don't you think?

People can disagree with me, I don't mind, I just want my opinion to be aired.

Thanks for reading (if you got this far :P)

Have a good round, to all those who are persevering

Teh Davs

[Treedude]

I agree with your point about bashing Davs, I've been playing since Round 9 and this is the first round that i've actually been bashed by one player/group literally every single time i get within 30% of them. Don't know whether thats all due to changes in the game or what but it's still bloody annoying :P

[pinpower]

its partly because azzer hasnt actually finished the update (the whole age 4.5 part 2 stuff)...i know he has been busy with RL stuff which is cool but IMO he shouldnt have done any of the update if he was only going to do half

(or specifically he should have left in/out certain bits that would be relying on further changes)

[Augustus]

Few complaints.
Just to gripe to get off my chest.

Injury system is fine for lower players.
But makes resistence and wars at top impossible.

A) Try to catch top alliance(s) offline
B) Try get enough people to send
C) Get through defence ( Make sure another 19 ppl are offline )
D) Hope he doesnt get called
E) If you do kill him, wait 3 hours before he gets 60% back!
F) Repeat 10 times to player.
G) Repeat 200 times to alliance
H) Hope every hit is a success
I) Hope for no retals.

Good luck with that.
Makes me not want to war.

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Couldn't agree more, the way things are at the moment it's almost impossible to take down any ally without constantly waving them, their needs to be a reduction for both sides in injury returns (in % as well as time) when a war is declared. Also only the alliances at war should be effected by altered injury returns when attacking each other. i.e. all those solos/piggying allys shouldnt benefit from the victims poor return time when they aren't officially involved in the war.

War system - I dont want to have to launch a declaration on an ally. I prefer to do it swiftly without them knowing. This method sucks.
Also if you get ally points added for this then its very bad idea.


Again more good points, it would be better if the process was more rapid to help promote suprise attacks.



Player base - SUCKS!
Only 3 decent allies this round :o
Lots of allies donating land to rank 1 ally :(

Ummm, this comment is a bit stupid cos you've just pointed out why all the top alliances are pwning all those below! The alliance I'm in has been victim to a lot of land farming from top allies and we're helpless against it cos they constantly attack at the 30% range, usually sending 3 or more on 1 person! As others have said this round has been sucky, lots of nasty tactics and some real laziness in accumulating land by doing 30% attacks. Azzer should scrap his holiday and fast track the changes that are still needed :lol: