End of Round Awards - Discussion

[Alcibiades]

Time left: 6.72 days.

Bit early no?

Agreed.

[Twigley]

Alliance of the round
ExitLude, comingback after a beating. shame the recruited like 15 new people to achieve it.


2 new people.

[TaO]

Alliance of the round
ExitLude, comingback after a beating. shame the recruited like 15 new people to achieve it.


2 new people.

how can it be 2 new people if there already 3 people from JTC came over to Exit?

[Twigley]

It is now 3 ;)
We are full.
Most allies make alot of changes ...

Alot of us restarted!

[Ogluk]

Most allies make alot of changes ...


so thats where i've been going wrong.... 2 changes all round... damnit!

[BlackWolf]

Best players of the round
Those who even try to nominate someone else but their own alliance and those whom dont complain of others nominations.

-Thank you

[tobapopalos]

[size=150]Best players of the round
Those who even try to nominate someone else but their own alliance

Seconded.

[Davis]

Best Player of the Round:
BlackWolf

yay now i'm the best player of the round too!!!

[dafe]

Early for the awards but since everyone else and their goat is posting, Desperados figured we should as well. BlackWolf: while I admire your sentiment for awarding other people awards, not just your own ally; it's hard since you rarely hear about other people's accomplishments. If i knew anything about the other players I would name them; but since i can't, the selection of 19 players from Desp will have to do.

I'd like to preface this by saying that if i could award all my members for being awesome, I would. They rocked the house this round, took all sorts of ****, got labelled all sorts of dirty names, and we still had a blast and are walking out of this round with our heads held high. We played this round to have fun, and despite a few days where our definition of fun had to change we still had a good time. I also feel it necessary to clear up a few inconsistencies: At no point was I the Desp leader, ever. That rather dubious honour remained Dill's.

Amongst the best moments of the round, we had many, was finding out we had both RichardM and MattM in our alliance. The Indomitable Duo of Deathly Dudeness. Always a pleasure, gentlemen.

Alliance of the round: Exitlude. Had a dominating start, raped with a ridiculous route setup. Staved off resistance for quite some time with a ridiculous route setup, and then rebounded and are now in second place.

Best Offensive Alliance: Exitlude. The Two man leading 6 tick waves were just awful. One of the most annoying things i've ever had to defend against. Kudos.

Best Defensive Alliance: Barcodes. You guys defended against us with annoying accuracy and in the latergame became a harder nut to crack. Seriously, good effort :)

Honourable Mention Alliance: Barcodes. You guys stuck through thick and thin and got an unbelievable amount of incoming, managed to hold it together and seemingly kept your spirits up for most of the round. My congratulations, lesser players would've collapsed.

Worst Alliance: BG/BYOB for standing by and letting Khaos rape us for 4-5 days when that was the golden opportunity to strike on Khaos and run them into the ground. Shame on you.

Best Leader: Dill, as he was completely unseen, hidden from view, and no one has a clue he was leading. Also because you didn't play the game the way everyone else wanted it to be played. Gratz my friend.

Worst Leader: Dill, as he was completely unseen, hidden from view, and no one had a clue he was leading. Also because you didn't play the game the way everyone else wanted it to be played. Shame on you Dill!

Player of the Round - Allied: Dinget for long nigh****ch hours: I don't know what i'd do without you. KJJJN for being there with your POMs during nigh****ch when i needed them. Tiff/Illumination you were always willing to be woken up despite having kids and a job. I'll play with you anytime. All of you are rockstars, every one of the Desp players deserves a mention but you three stood out.

Player of the Round - Solo: Son for his amusing IRC antics and his rather excessively bloodthirsty nature. If you were actually solo, good stuff :)

Best Offensive Player: Wacky: for all the grief you caused me by bringing down loads of incoming on our heads, you killed a whole bunch of people, and pissed off a bunch more.

Best Defensive Player: KJJJN for his 100 mill+ POMs. Uber defence. and a variety of the Barcodes players: I spent the good first half of the round repeatedly rushing you guys, and got stuffed on a number of atacks. Kudos, I'm afraid I don't know your names but it was the thugs/Vamp (stass?) players. Congratulations.

Honourable Mention Player: Dakiv/Hato. I'd never played with you guys to my knowledge and you blew me away. Exceedingly well done; i'd be happy to play with you gentlemen anytime.

Worst Player: Ogluk for ratting us out to Khaos and then watching as we slowly died. Pathetic.

Best Moment of Round: Not dying when the entirety of Khaos spent 5 days trying and in some places succeeding in killing us. Launching numerous ally attacks and having a general asskickingly good time. Killing Dill on defence whenever possible. Finding out that it was april fools day ingame when we sent our mobs of 69/1337 on the real/fake targets on the resistance attack we were forced into. :)

Worst Moment of Round: When I joined up expecting to be a regular member and found out I was the MO. My stress levels went through the roof. When the 'resistance', predictably, turned on us because we refused to play their game and wouldn't join in the resistance. That is the single biggest gripe i have about resistances: they can't handle rejection. The irony when they later let Khaos walk all over us was not lost on the Desperados team.

Best Suicide-Defence: Me being the MO all round (insanity!!) and miscalculating one rather nasty wave and killing off half our alliance in one tick. Bravo.

Best Suicide-Offence: Wacky, hato, PI all of the above. We had plenty of BRs where we should've recalled but didn't. Scorequeens suck, being dead ftw.

2nded :)

[Dill]

omg, ALCI U NOOB!!!! you werent supposed to tell any1 i was the leader, my evil plot and scheme has all gone to pot now:(


on a more serious note, my most enjoyable round ever, and i have all my wonderful members to thank for it.

[MattM]

Just to add I my opinion that the round has been excellent, and kudos to the Barcodes for some fun battles :)

Agree with everything you say Alci!

[AzLev]

I'd just like to say that it was an interesting round to say the least.


Thank you everyone and i'd like to say.....

Everyone is a winner.

For everyone who is posting about worst leader, think on what chaos means.

[Enrico]

I agree with Alci.. just one more thing... the so-called resistance missed their golden opportunity, by not hitting Khaos right after Lude was hosed. Unfortunately we could do no more than trade blows with them on equal footing, while BYOB & Co was sitting contemplating their navels. Which just proves just why The Rockstars of Desperado is lukewarm to "resistance"-work. When it is run by clueless or overworked people, it won't work, and timing is everything.
Last but least, it must never slow down. once one ally is toppled, the resistance must INSTANTLY turn on the new number 1!

So the notion that Desperados don't want to fight in a resistance is moot, we just don't wanna fight in a poorly lead or ineffective one, when we know how it should be done. :D

Oh and a special award of my own goes to all ally commanders who recruited former soloplayers and showed them the ropes of allianceplay, and all solo players who jumped into the breech and tried their luck at alliance play! Kudos to you all.

And I would also like to note that I think this round have been more open and entertaining, by having tons of allies, and thus tons of inter-ally warfare, and NO USELESS SOLOS!!! :P It just goes to prove how much better the game is when the top 300 are ALLIED not SOLO! :x-mas:

-e-

[f0xx]

A DiscWorld member I guess, I don't mind :)
I will post my comments when the round is actually close to its ending.

[Forwyn]

Yep, 6 days is plenty of time to save seeds!

... :P

[atsanjose]

Player of the Round:

Private Sent by: [a rpgguy in barrcodes] Wed 03rd Dec, 2008. 14:11:38 GMT Reply Forward
Subject: re:
Hehe :D well now more noobs inrange :)
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auwtjs :D
i havent bought anything for a while now... trying to stay out of reach of those big bad poms at rank 1 and 2 :D
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hehe Btw i bought up to 17mil RPg i got 0 Left :D
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yeah i couldnt believe you guys stayed :/

mucho brave
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nice kills ! u Pwnd al my troops There LMAO



if everyone was like this the game would be perfect.
/me salutes


Most annoying player of next round:
Probbebly Cyrus for bragging about his leetness ^^'

[Cyrus]

My votes are as follows:

Worst Player: Polo, he wouldn't suck my oh sorry that's not a reason so I say cyrus because nobody seems to like him.


name afew normal, down to earth people that dont like me? i bet you cant :)

[tobapopalos]

My votes are as follows:

Worst Player: Polo, he wouldn't suck my oh sorry that's not a reason so I say cyrus because nobody seems to like him.


name afew normal, down to earth people that dont like me? i bet you cant :)

I could name plenty, but you would just go into denial mode and claim that they aren't down-to-earth anyway, so I won't bother.

[Cyrus]

:x-mas:

[saint1d]

Best Defensive Player
Masa, ALWAYS on when needed!



As always, a true asset to any alliance.

[DarkSider]

Little addition :
Martin i can't see why you're so desperate to win individual rankings/stats with cheating. You made a bad name of yourself in the past with that, yet the only way you win anything this days is mutual attacks. Congrats on your bounty rank btw.

[Martin]

That is a vicious stab, DarkSider.

I left Exitlude to try and get rank 1 in bounty because portalling in other ways is of no interest to me, I have since then been sending at members but to no avail due to their defence. (Everyone knows this and it is how I have my worst player label for this round).
I have been trying lots in recent days to hit other individuals who are also on my enemies list, including the individual I had a BR with. I asked him if he was not a scorequeen and brave enough to fight me 1v1 as he kept getting defence, he actually said he would. I was seeing if he had the "balls" to fight me (using that psycological stance to my gain). He came online and I sent.
The BR was not staged, I did not ask him to run units, although it seems I overestimated my own units and would have hardly fired anyway which would have been stupidly embarassing!!

Saying I have cheated before? If you are refering to the round that I was Bunkers, I did not cheat, it looked like I did just because I attacked Polo, if it was anyone else they would not have been peanalised, but Azzer had to make an example of me which I am still very annoyed about.



I spied the individual after I saw your post so I could see your view on it, and he hit someone and got 'free land', I know the person who lost the land doesn't mind losing score so he can kill more people. So that is as equally mutual as me sending at him for my gain, and he took the opportunity to lose score, or test units which I think was his main goal.

I am not active, nor am I a maths genius, I have and will always play the game psycologically to try and do well, this is just an example of this.


*edit* - this is also not the thread to have this discussion, so if you wish to continue please start a new thread. You are entitled to your views and opinions, as are everyone else, but this is just a thread to show awards.

[Iamsmart]

You suck.

[f0xx]

You suck.

That's quite an irony ;)

[Iamsmart]

What is?

[Cheese]

Zigzag
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Learnt it yet? ;)
I'm glad somebody finally voted me worst always makes me happy knowing I've done my job of annoying at least one person out there. And I gloated at you because you swore down that Elle who was 2 ticks behind you was safe from our defence... When actually we killed you mid tick and would have killed her her first tick.
Simple as ABC, 1,2,3.

[ZigZag]

Zigzag
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Learnt it yet? ;)
I'm glad somebody finally voted me worst always makes me happy knowing I've done my job of annoying at least one person out there. And I gloated at you because you swore down that Elle who was 2 ticks behind you was safe from our defence... When actually we killed you mid tick and would have killed her her first tick.
Simple as ABC, 1,2,3.


Interesting since I remember she was Eta2 with me attacking for 2 she shows up after the defense and besides I was not attacking you so why pm me

[Alcibiades]

Worst Real Alliance - Desperados



I don't want to be snippy, but why?

[Wacky]

Changed my answer
The Winners: Desperados
The Losers: The poor saps who never learned how to attack alone and rely on 7 other people to show them the ropes :)

[Wacky]

Worst Real Alliance - Desperados



I don't want to be snippy, but why?

No one except us likes to have fun Alci? This games all about killing and waking up at odd hours to keep your online troops alive! Get your head in the game!!!

[blockatiel]

Worst Real Alliance - Desperados



I don't want to be snippy, but why?

Well, your alliance wasn't really bad... it just... didn't really do anything :P The whole "let's not resist and instead get raped willingly" stance you (your alliance) took for the first half of the round was rather annoying, and apart from a brief amount of action near the end of the resistance against exitlude, I can't recall your alliance doing much of anything of note. (Unless I'm forgetting something major, in which case i'd be happy to change it :P)

[Wacky]

I'd say our domination in the suicide category of statistics (Satanistic Suiciders: Desperados alliance members have suicided a total of 42 times.) kind of secured the win for us.

[tobapopalos]

Worst Real Alliance - Desperados



I don't want to be snippy, but why?

Well, your alliance wasn't really bad... it just... didn't really do anything :P The whole "let's not resist and instead get raped willingly" stance you (your alliance) took for the first half of the round was rather annoying, and apart from a brief amount of action near the end of the resistance against exitlude, I can't recall your alliance doing much of anything of note. (Unless I'm forgetting something major, in which case i'd be happy to change it :P)

as far as I'm aware, Desperados were formed purely for a fun round, not to get dragged into politics by the OMGSERIUZ alliances. If an alliance doesn't want to join a resistance then that's their choice. They shouldn't get threatened and bullied into doing something they don't want to. That's the way resistances are always run and I think it's pretty pathetic.

[Cyrus]

Worst Real Alliance - Desperados



I don't want to be snippy, but why?

Well, your alliance wasn't really bad... it just... didn't really do anything :P The whole "let's not resist and instead get raped willingly" stance you (your alliance) took for the first half of the round was rather annoying, and apart from a brief amount of action near the end of the resistance against exitlude, I can't recall your alliance doing much of anything of note. (Unless I'm forgetting something major, in which case i'd be happy to change it :P)

as far as I'm aware, Desperados were formed purely for a fun round, not to get dragged into politics by the OMGSERIUZ alliances. If an alliance doesn't want to join a resistance then that's their choice. They shouldn't get threatened and bullied into doing something they don't want to. That's the way resistances are always run and I think it's pretty pathetic.

yes they should get bullied, its a valid tactic to use, its a way to get people on your side helping isnt it.

[Garrett]

I just find it funny that Desparados was the 'worst alliance' PURELY because they didn't want to do what everyone else wanted.


Good times. No, not a member.

[Cyrus]

i think there's the point garret. they didnt take part in the round = worst alli :)
although i do agree there were also some other bad allis out there :P

[Garrett]

well see not doing what everyone else wanted != not take part in the game. especially as they ride the ranks pretty high top 5 n all that.

i'm just saying.

[Alcibiades]

Worst Real Alliance - Desperados



I don't want to be snippy, but why?

Well, your alliance wasn't really bad... it just... didn't really do anything :P The whole "let's not resist and instead get raped willingly" stance you (your alliance) took for the first half of the round was rather annoying, and apart from a brief amount of action near the end of the resistance against exitlude, I can't recall your alliance doing much of anything of note. (Unless I'm forgetting something major, in which case i'd be happy to change it :P)

as far as I'm aware, Desperados were formed purely for a fun round, not to get dragged into politics by the OMGSERIUZ alliances. If an alliance doesn't want to join a resistance then that's their choice. They shouldn't get threatened and bullied into doing something they don't want to. That's the way resistances are always run and I think it's pretty pathetic.

yes they should get bullied, its a valid tactic to use, its a way to get people on your side helping isnt it.

Bullying is not a valid kind of behaviour in real life or in games. Shame on you.

Toby is right, we were designed to have fun, and resistances are not fun. Especially ones as poorly organized, and apathetic as this round displayed. We had a blast for the round, and because we didn't join the resistance everyone thinks we're crappy. Hahaha, i couldn't be more amused. I just thought you had a good reason or something blockatiel. Especially coming from DW? The ultimate in resistance allies, and one of the alliances that has been around having 'fun' for approaching 30 rounds. You are entitled to your own opinion of course, as my good friend tana would say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has got one. I would simply prefer that we don't get labelled worst ally because we didn't participate in the round other people wanted to play. Grow up.

We got raped willingly? Are you insane? Get your facts straight you batshit crazy lunatic. You've been taking lessons from Gadfly again, haven't you....

well see not doing what everyone else wanted != not take part in the game. especially as they ride the ranks pretty high top 5 n all that.

:winner:

[Cyrus]

i heard that the resistance didnt work. so it must have been poorly organised!

OH WAIT.

:x-mas:

[Alcibiades]

They were very poorly organized or excessively boring for the most part as far as I was concerned. It took ages to kill an alliance that should've been very easy to kill. And I don't enjoy sitting in IRC rooms having an epenis competition to decide which ally sends where; with whom and generally listen to everyone spout their mouth off and have an ego contest. I just don't play the game for that element of it. Ever. And all it is is hard work to put someone else on top as we weren't going to get rank 1 or keep it even if the unthinkable happened and we did get it. So, must I reiterate that it was my (and most of my alliance mates) opinion that resistances were poorly organized and not effective in helping us have fun.

I'm sure if you enjoy resistances, then you'd enjoy participating in them. As it stands, no one in Desp really had much interest in a resistance.* BORING stuff which was not what we wanted to do this round. So call us whatever you please I guess, can't influence your opinion as much as I'd like. But please at least sort out that not everyone has a common goal or interest in the game. Sheesh...



*The irony coming of course when Nightmare chatted to Ogluk about having a go at Khaos when they were freshly minted rank 1 and then watching BYOB and BG stand on the sidelines whilst they let Khaos run away with rank 1. The irony was overwhelming

EDIT: Anyways, this thread is quickly degenerating (as it does every round). I just in general was curious as to why we got the worst alliance label. Now I have my answer. :)

[IceOfFire]

Errrr Hijack a thread?

All posts with nothing to do with awards should be deleted!

If you wanna discuss something, make a new thread ffs.

[Alcibiades]

Errrr Hijack a thread?

All posts with nothing to do with awards should be deleted!

If you wanna discuss something, make a new thread ffs.

There should be an Awards thread, and then a Comments about the awards thread in that case :P as they generate too much criticism to have it all uncontained in one thread. Besides which this whole awards thing is just an excuse for a semi legitimate extended troll/flame.

[IceOfFire]

Errrr Hijack a thread?

All posts with nothing to do with awards should be deleted!

If you wanna discuss something, make a new thread ffs.

There should be an Awards thread, and then a Comments about the awards thread in that case :P as they generate too much criticism to have it all uncontained in one thread. Besides which this whole awards thing is just an excuse for a semi legitimate extended troll/flame.


Well MOD, do something for once.

Delete irrelevant posts!

[Alcibiades]

Errrr Hijack a thread?

All posts with nothing to do with awards should be deleted!

If you wanna discuss something, make a new thread ffs.

There should be an Awards thread, and then a Comments about the awards thread in that case :P as they generate too much criticism to have it all uncontained in one thread. Besides which this whole awards thing is just an excuse for a semi legitimate extended troll/flame.


Well MOD, do something for once.

Delete irrelevant posts!


I'm not a forum moderator, and I never have been. The Bushtarion staff appointments are not across the board. I'm an OP, not a Mod; and the two are not interchangeable.

[f0xx]

I'm not a forum moderator, and I never have been. The Bushtarion staff appointments are not across the board. I'm an OP, not a Mod; and the two are not interchangeable.

Well nice way to hijick it even more then... :roll:

[BlackWolf]

I have reported 36 individual posts from this thread so far.

I would like to remind everyone (even I am not a moderator) that there are certain rules on these forums and one of those rules is staying on topic.

This threads topic is to nominate what YOU think are best alliances/players. What others are nominating is their opinion you have nothing to comment about on those. If you want to discuss about some nominations you are free to make your own thread.

Thank you.

[Souls]

Shame on everyone who flamed and yelled at others to start this instead of doing it themselves. :x-mas:

[Steve_God]

Honourable Mention Alliance - Incomphrendable, for getting back up no matter how badly they were beaten

Best Offensive Player - The _really_ annoying biker player in incomprehendable that will remain unnamed :P
Hehe! :D
(wasn't me btw...) :P

[Bobbin]

I merged all the crap into this thread. Enjoy.

[Shadow]

All this voting Desperados for being the worst alliance for not joining the resistacne is a bit silly, They did join teh resistance several times if i remember rightly :P

first time we launched Lude they was 1 of the main alliance. second time they launched in the first wave then when it came to the second wave they said they was not sending and launched on a lower allie of teh resistance, in which the resistance hit them in retaliation. they said they would resend so the resisatcne recalled from them. they sent with the resistance but did the stupid 1,337 units thing which was funny but lame :P

Then came the resistance for Khaos, now they never actually launched any attacks for this. althou alci did sit in the channel discussing how to send and even said Desperados would send in with us. then when launch time came they never actually sent. Came up with the beautiful Excuse of "What troops are we meant to attack with?". You had more LET's then both Lude and BYOB at the time which i thought was amusing :lol:

Desperados are the worst alliance of the round not for there so called "Not taking part in the round" but because the only times they did take part they complained about it and then did nothing when people did join :P was a bit wierd, asked for help and then when help was given they decided they was not going to do anything :P

[Alcibiades]

Then came the resistance for Khaos, now they never actually launched any attacks for this. althou alci did sit in the channel discussing how to send and even said Desperados would send in with us. then when launch time came they never actually sent. Came up with the beautiful Excuse of "What troops are we meant to attack with?". You had more LET's then both Lude and BYOB at the time which i thought was amusing :lol:


5 days after BG/BYOB let Khaos walk all over us. We didn't really have troops to spare for a ressitance as those of us still alive were irritated at BG/BYOB for standing by and letting Khaos win. The resistance time was when we asked for it, when tthey spent a few days continually sending at us. So, naturally, 5 days later, when you guys (who had also joined in on the attacks against us) came up to us asking for a resistance you can surely understand our point of view when we told you to get lost. First you let us get killed, then expect us to help? no i don't think so. And if we had more LETs than both Lude/BYOB then that just goes to show how much you sucked at the time as we'd spent almost a week getting killed.

Oh well, thank god this round is over.

[dafe]

All this voting Desperados for being the worst alliance for not joining the resistacne is a bit silly, They did join teh resistance several times if i remember rightly :P

first time we launched Lude they was 1 of the main alliance. second time they launched in the first wave then when it came to the second wave they said they was not sending and launched on a lower allie of teh resistance, in which the resistance hit them in retaliation. they said they would resend so the resisatcne recalled from them. they sent with the resistance but did the stupid 1,337 units thing which was funny but lame :P

Then came the resistance for Khaos, now they never actually launched any attacks for this. althou alci did sit in the channel discussing how to send and even said Desperados would send in with us. then when launch time came they never actually sent. Came up with the beautiful Excuse of "What troops are we meant to attack with?". You had more LET's then both Lude and BYOB at the time which i thought was amusing :lol:

Desperados are the worst alliance of the round not for there so called "Not taking part in the round" but because the only times they did take part they complained about it and then did nothing when people did join :P was a bit wierd, asked for help and then when help was given they decided they was not going to do anything :P

makes me wonder what you been on during these times...i sure experienced it a whole lot different (as a desperado member)..
we didnt wanna join resistance because the plan was basicly crap...then bg or whatever it was launched at us and we defended making them recall/we said we would join the resistance (memory lacking on that part a bit) so when LT came 10 of us send the 1337/69 staff...and byob who were supposed to sent with us only had 4 ppl send which just confirmed our sight on the resistance being crap (and the other 2 didnt have also only a few sending)
and then khaos became first and nightmare tried to get a resistance together vs them and byob decided to rat us out making khaos go after us for 3+ days straight with no responses from byob/bg what so ever...and then they suddenly wanted us to join them vs khaos...but by that time most of us died massively on some nice defences vs khaos in those 3+ days so we didnt have much to send if at all

[Dill]

the simple fact is, we all agreed as an alliance, resistance's suck. Our aim was never ever to be rank 1 this round, but to have a top 5 finish whilst having fun. Shadow, we never really sent on resistance until the whole 69/1337 thing, and with only 4 byob members sending? we had the biggest participation out of any of the other alliances granted we sent next to nothing.

As has already been said about us joining the resistance against khaos. They'd raped us for almost 5 days, granted we'd only lost 1/3 of our score and around an 10% of our land in that time, but we were deffinitely licking our wounds with some spectacular suicides, mine was on young when bg sent a wave at us lol. Therefore 5 days into us being raped u wanted us to join with u in securing 1 of ur alliances rank1? u had to be kidding right? after byob ratted on us to khaos, and u both sat back and watched while they ran away with it? it was pathetic.

this is not intended as a troll, merely explaining our actions for this round

Love Dill Desperado's leader.

[Elderveld]

If u never wanted to get rank 1, and just play for fun and want to have a top 5 finish, then why did u joined in the first resistance against exitlude, but not against khaos rite away?
Thats utterly crap that u all were dead or w/e before you start organising a resistance against a new rank 1 alliance. Why wait 5 day's to take them down, you want them to take a lead?

Its just lack of effort and motivation.

And as far as my opinion is, having alot of fun INCLUDES resistance... its the most fun u can ever have in a round, as long as u stand a chance, and u all had a verry big chance of bringing khaos down, or at least not get them this win THAT easy.

One of the reasons, desp is the worst alliance.

[moorer]

If u never wanted to get rank 1, and just play for fun and want to have a top 5 finish, then why did u joined in the first resistance against exitlude, but not against khaos rite away?

Because the so called resistance basically said "you are with us or against us" we are not stupid so we joined in, made our little show of protest with the 1337 sending and then sent normally.

Thats utterly crap that u all were dead or w/e before you start organising a resistance against a new rank 1 alliance. Why wait 5 day's to take them down, you want them to take a lead?

And you know this how? Did we send you haxors of all our troops? I don't think so. Its pure guesswork on your part.

We made an unofficial approach to other "Exitlude resistance" allies about starting a resistance against Khaos a week before you started your attacks. All we got was Khaos in our faces because someone told them we were trying to organise a move against them.

Fact is Khaos had been hitting us constantly for 4 days before the rest of you grew the balls to hit them. Several of us had been zeroed and were rebuilding our troop levels. We saw little chance of taking out Khaos (who had been given too much time to build their troops/seedbank up) and felt it would simply waste troops we couldn't afford to lose.

BYOB had joined Khaos in hitting us and BG also hit us on the very same day they invited us to join the resistance against Khaos. Any surprise there was little support amongst our members to help one of them take rank 1?

Truth is the resistance against Khaos was started a week too late. Simple as.

[IceOfFire]

So basically we pwned?

IMO BG gave KHaoS the round, making everyone send on one tick to same target.

We retalled and killed 3/4 members first wave. No resistance came back after that! Thats what lost the round, the waves before that (that twigs organised were good and worked well)

So Desp didnt give us the round IMO.

[CLem]

anyone that says that an alliance is the worst alliance because they didn't join in the resistance is talking utter balls. it is never good for a smaller alliance to join the resistance (smaller being the ones that are definitely not trying to win the round) because either it works or not it doesn't benefit you in any way.

if there is good organisation in the resistance and you managed to kill rank 1 alliance, you are just a bonus infantry for the guys that are planning ftw, once the big guy is dead they turn onto you and take all the acres that you took AND the previous rank 1 alliance will probably kill you on their way to rebuild if they do.

if there is bad organisation then the result is obvious, you are just throwing troops away and placing your fate in the organiser's hand. If I were in desperado's position I would have done the same thing, i remember BYOB asking me to join in the exitlude resistance and i just ignored the msg because I know it does nothing good to my alliance.

after reading this you probably think.."oh boy he is so lame he doesn't want to get involve, why bother playing this game, you fight you die fun fun fun!!!111", well I like fighting, but not other people's fight, but my own fight. To my alliance, the whoever is rank 1 is irrelevant to me so why fight?

[tobapopalos]

Clem said everything I was thinking about saying, but didn't have the writey-goodness to do it.

To label an alliance as the worst alliance simply because they didn't do what YOU wanted them to do is ridiculous.

[Illumination]

I am in Desperados and have had a great round:) As Dill said, we started the alliance looking for a group of fun people (semi active, but no worries when you weren't on). There were no time requirements, no irc or contactability requirements...lots of pick and send attacks and silly banter in alliance politics. We had 0/20 people interested in the resistance, hence the 69 troops sent by all when we were told to attack or be attacked:P We were there for fun, most had it, and for those of you that think we were the worst alliance, have some more troops! *sends 69 at all the whiny people that get upset at us having our own fun:P*

[Cyrus]

your all assuming we all have the same veiw of each alliance. your wrong

FROM MY POINT OF VEIW desp were the worst. due to the fact they didnt take part, obvious there's trhe oposite side of the coin where they had fun without taking part.

[mrmongo]

i think that shipjumpers were the best alliance! Battled hard and got nowhere, if it wasnt for all the shipjumping and bickering lol

And that guy osama bin drinkin the tireless defender he rocks.

[Shadow]

All this voting Desperados for being the worst alliance for not joining the resistacne is a bit silly, They did join teh resistance several times if i remember rightly :P

first time we launched Lude they was 1 of the main alliance. second time they launched in the first wave then when it came to the second wave they said they was not sending and launched on a lower allie of teh resistance, in which the resistance hit them in retaliation. they said they would resend so the resisatcne recalled from them. they sent with the resistance but did the stupid 1,337 units thing which was funny but lame :P

Then came the resistance for Khaos, now they never actually launched any attacks for this. althou alci did sit in the channel discussing how to send and even said Desperados would send in with us. then when launch time came they never actually sent. Came up with the beautiful Excuse of "What troops are we meant to attack with?". You had more LET's then both Lude and BYOB at the time which i thought was amusing :lol:

Desperados are the worst alliance of the round not for there so called "Not taking part in the round" but because the only times they did take part they complained about it and then did nothing when people did join :P was a bit wierd, asked for help and then when help was given they decided they was not going to do anything :P

makes me wonder what you been on during these times...i sure experienced it a whole lot different (as a desperado member)..
we didnt wanna join resistance because the plan was basicly crap...then bg or whatever it was launched at us and we defended making them recall/we said we would join the resistance (memory lacking on that part a bit) so when LT came 10 of us send the 1337/69 staff...and byob who were supposed to sent with us only had 4 ppl send which just confirmed our sight on the resistance being crap (and the other 2 didnt have also only a few sending)
and then khaos became first and nightmare tried to get a resistance together vs them and byob decided to rat us out making khaos go after us for 3+ days straight with no responses from byob/bg what so ever...and then they suddenly wanted us to join them vs khaos...but by that time most of us died massively on some nice defences vs khaos in those 3+ days so we didnt have much to send if at all

Im goign to put it down to drinking or smoking or something :lol: where did you get these numbers from :P I remember the 1337 incident as im staring at posts on my allie politics about it lol. you guys had 6 guys send and we had 9 send lol and you never made BG's recalled. they had 12 members hitting you on 1 tick as we had 5 members spread on 5 members and had 0 defense at eta 2 lol we only recalled cause someone said you would join the resistance, then the silly 1,337 thing happened. the other 2 allies who sent if i remember rightly sent the same numbers as BYOB.

As for getting in touch of BYOB...well im looking at Allie mail and i see no mails from desperados, and considering Alci (the guy who was sorting out your allie for hits before hand) knew i was the person to talk to about resistance hits involving BYOB never once msg'd me about it.

[Illumination]

Alci doesnt need to contact anyone for our alliance to send attacks. Shadow shizzle, get it through your head, we did what we wanted to this round:P Just because you wanted to lead it, doesnt mean that because we didnt contact you, we didnt participate (or maybe we didnt...but it would have been irrelevent to your inbox).

[Shadow]

Alci doesnt need to contact anyone for our alliance to send attacks. Shadow shizzle, get it through your head, we did what we wanted to this round:P Just because you wanted to lead it, doesnt mean that because we didnt contact you, we didnt participate (or maybe we didnt...but it would have been irrelevent to your inbox).

no...Dafe tryign to make out we ignored you guys msg'n us but you never msg'd us. was all i was saying :P

[dafe]

Alci doesnt need to contact anyone for our alliance to send attacks. Shadow shizzle, get it through your head, we did what we wanted to this round:P Just because you wanted to lead it, doesnt mean that because we didnt contact you, we didnt participate (or maybe we didnt...but it would have been irrelevent to your inbox).

no...Dafe tryign to make out we ignored you guys msg'n us but you never msg'd us. was all i was saying :P
as far as i know multiple ppl from our side contacted bg and/or byob trough irc and think also trough mail

[Enrico]

Still not sure why BG and BYOB feel its neccessary to get a go ahead from Desp to hit #1 ally... especially as a quick spy would reveal that they were stretching their staff in attacks.

The point of any half decent resistance is to hammer away at the current #1 till that ally is truely dead, and then start up on the next #1, repeat ad nausam untill only two allies remain, which then duke it out...

once a resistance has started, letting up the steam means whoever is in #1 can run away with the victory.

Basically Khaos did the right thing, and started hitting someone as soon as Lude was dead and dishonored, but they were lucky in as much as BYOB and BG seemed dumbstruck and apathic, and missed their opportunity.

[Shadow]

Alci doesnt need to contact anyone for our alliance to send attacks. Shadow shizzle, get it through your head, we did what we wanted to this round:P Just because you wanted to lead it, doesnt mean that because we didnt contact you, we didnt participate (or maybe we didnt...but it would have been irrelevent to your inbox).

no...Dafe tryign to make out we ignored you guys msg'n us but you never msg'd us. was all i was saying :P
as far as i know multiple ppl from our side contacted bg and/or byob trough irc and think also trough mail

"As far as i know"? impressive... so you don tknow for sure if your allie did get in touch with anyone from BYOB and i know that no one got in touch with anyone from BYOB because ive been asking the members of the alliance.

And as for the whole BYOB ratted us out business... was it not your alliance who mentioned resistance in a channel which ha Khaos members in it. are you sure they never launched on you first for that reason alone?

[Cyrus]

that is the reason we attacked Desp, our plan was to mash exitnoob into the ground but i got these logs in a PM so we acted upon them.

it was the right thing to do in the circumstances, so dont try and make out we fell back on the resistance plan either.

[f0xx]

All this voting Desperados for being the worst alliance for not joining the resistacne is a bit silly, They did join teh resistance several times if i remember rightly :P

first time we launched Lude they was 1 of the main alliance. second time they launched in the first wave then when it came to the second wave they said they was not sending and launched on a lower allie of teh resistance, in which the resistance hit them in retaliation. they said they would resend so the resisatcne recalled from them. they sent with the resistance but did the stupid 1,337 units thing which was funny but lame :P

Then came the resistance for Khaos, now they never actually launched any attacks for this. althou alci did sit in the channel discussing how to send and even said Desperados would send in with us. then when launch time came they never actually sent. Came up with the beautiful Excuse of "What troops are we meant to attack with?". You had more LET's then both Lude and BYOB at the time which i thought was amusing :lol:

Desperados are the worst alliance of the round not for there so called "Not taking part in the round" but because the only times they did take part they complained about it and then did nothing when people did join :P was a bit wierd, asked for help and then when help was given they decided they was not going to do anything :P

makes me wonder what you been on during these times...i sure experienced it a whole lot different (as a desperado member)..
we didnt wanna join resistance because the plan was basicly crap...then bg or whatever it was launched at us and we defended making them recall/we said we would join the resistance (memory lacking on that part a bit) so when LT came 10 of us send the 1337/69 staff...and byob who were supposed to sent with us only had 4 ppl send which just confirmed our sight on the resistance being crap (and the other 2 didnt have also only a few sending)
and then khaos became first and nightmare tried to get a resistance together vs them and byob decided to rat us out making khaos go after us for 3+ days straight with no responses from byob/bg what so ever...and then they suddenly wanted us to join them vs khaos...but by that time most of us died massively on some nice defences vs khaos in those 3+ days so we didnt have much to send if at all

Im goign to put it down to drinking or smoking or something :lol: where did you get these numbers from :P I remember the 1337 incident as im staring at posts on my allie politics about it lol. you guys had 6 guys send and we had 9 send lol and you never made BG's recalled. they had 12 members hitting you on 1 tick as we had 5 members spread on 5 members and had 0 defense at eta 2 lol we only recalled cause someone said you would join the resistance, then the silly 1,337 thing happened. the other 2 allies who sent if i remember rightly sent the same numbers as BYOB.

As for getting in touch of BYOB...well im looking at Allie mail and i see no mails from desperados, and considering Alci (the guy who was sorting out your allie for hits before hand) knew i was the person to talk to about resistance hits involving BYOB never once msg'd me about it.

You are both missing info and both versions are not 100% accurate. shadow's version is a bit closer to the truth though.

I will post my comments on the round when the time comes, as I said it is still to early.

[Souls]

All this voting Desperados for being the worst alliance for not joining the resistacne is a bit silly, They did join teh resistance several times if i remember rightly :P

first time we launched Lude they was 1 of the main alliance. second time they launched in the first wave then when it came to the second wave they said they was not sending and launched on a lower allie of teh resistance, in which the resistance hit them in retaliation. they said they would resend so the resisatcne recalled from them. they sent with the resistance but did the stupid 1,337 units thing which was funny but lame :P

Then came the resistance for Khaos, now they never actually launched any attacks for this. althou alci did sit in the channel discussing how to send and even said Desperados would send in with us. then when launch time came they never actually sent. Came up with the beautiful Excuse of "What troops are we meant to attack with?". You had more LET's then both Lude and BYOB at the time which i thought was amusing :lol:

Desperados are the worst alliance of the round not for there so called "Not taking part in the round" but because the only times they did take part they complained about it and then did nothing when people did join :P was a bit wierd, asked for help and then when help was given they decided they was not going to do anything :P

makes me wonder what you been on during these times...i sure experienced it a whole lot different (as a desperado member)..
we didnt wanna join resistance because the plan was basicly crap...then bg or whatever it was launched at us and we defended making them recall/we said we would join the resistance (memory lacking on that part a bit) so when LT came 10 of us send the 1337/69 staff...and byob who were supposed to sent with us only had 4 ppl send which just confirmed our sight on the resistance being crap (and the other 2 didnt have also only a few sending)
and then khaos became first and nightmare tried to get a resistance together vs them and byob decided to rat us out making khaos go after us for 3+ days straight with no responses from byob/bg what so ever...and then they suddenly wanted us to join them vs khaos...but by that time most of us died massively on some nice defences vs khaos in those 3+ days so we didnt have much to send if at all

Im goign to put it down to drinking or smoking or something :lol: where did you get these numbers from :P I remember the 1337 incident as im staring at posts on my allie politics about it lol. you guys had 6 guys send and we had 9 send lol and you never made BG's recalled. they had 12 members hitting you on 1 tick as we had 5 members spread on 5 members and had 0 defense at eta 2 lol we only recalled cause someone said you would join the resistance, then the silly 1,337 thing happened. the other 2 allies who sent if i remember rightly sent the same numbers as BYOB.

As for getting in touch of BYOB...well im looking at Allie mail and i see no mails from desperados, and considering Alci (the guy who was sorting out your allie for hits before hand) knew i was the person to talk to about resistance hits involving BYOB never once msg'd me about it.

The moment KHaoS sent at us once Exitlude was dead, I talked to both Ogluk and f0xx about whether or not they wanted to hit Khaos back since most, if not all, their troops were out. F0xx said "Why? As long as they don't hit us we won't hit them" or something along the lines, and Ogluk was completely apathetic to what I was saying. We were hit for three days straight so you guys had plenty of opportunity to get the ball rolling, with both your leaders knowing full well that they were sending attacks. You handed Khaos the win, if anything. :P

[f0xx]

The moment KHaoS sent at us once Exitlude was dead, I talked to both Ogluk and f0xx about whether or not they wanted to hit Khaos back since most, if not all, their troops were out. F0xx said "Why? As long as they don't hit us we won't hit them".

Yeah, that is what I wanted you to think ;)

The truth was, that next day I was leaving since it was something like the 5th of decenmber and in our coutry, 7 and 8th of december are celebration days so I wasn't going to be online AT ALL. If khaos knew that, they would have killed us on the moment, so I decided to play the "apathic guy who doesn't care", a role which Desp were playing all round long. I also knew that the "If they don't attack us we won't as well" line would have gotten to Cyrus' ears which would have bought me some time and we would still be alive hopefully when I return. That didn't happen though, since beasteh took over the ally when I went away... and oh well, rest is history :D

It was really funny seeing how Alci was whining about getting their ass wooped and about the "apathy" of BYOB and BG... I have no idea why he was thinking that it was our duty to help them. Not like I wouldn't have, but as I said, I just wasn't going to be here. Also his attitude and presumtions about snaps were all kinda wrong. He was making statements like he knew exactly what was going inside BYOB and BG when he actually had absolutely no idea. We had very very valid reasons not to attack khaos while they were hitting Desperados and it was not an snap, but oh well, he is still fresh, he will learn one day ;)

[Cyrus]

from our veiw, we had no other option but to hit desp, with the information i had, you were the ones trying to start a res whilst exitnoob were not fully dead, so we hit you, in our minds that numbs a resistance if the orchestrators are dying right? then what BG are there looking pretty, BYOB inactive as ever and not taking much part really. we we were still good to fight 2 fronts, against exitnoob and desp.
then obviously we start hitting byob which brings a res when most of us are out, so we lsot abit. we tried defending second wave, they landed like once or twice, then we wiped out BG
that was it, round over, exitnoob weren't that strong, byob were ianctive and not attacking and BG and desp were dead.
left us all the time in the world to attack byob and exitnoob when we pleased

[Alcibiades]

[h:18ycqxxc]WARNING: Hidden text pieces contain foul language. Ye have been warned.[/h:18ycqxxc]


Fair play to Khaos for hitting us, i'd probably have done the same thing in their shoes. My 'gripe' if you call it such is that BYOB/BG did nothing that I was aware of to prevent, or even slightly hamper Khaos from taking rank 1 at pretty much the only time there was a real chance of doing so.

Shadow: As far as I can remember.... no one ever told me you were the resistance contact, and i'm not exactly hard to get a hold of in IRC. I'm there like *all the time*. And there was at least one attempt on my part to talk with Ogluk (in PM) about having BYOB relieve some of the pressure from Khaos on us; thereby giving us time to sleep/rebuild/rest and prevent Khaos from stealing rank 1. Also I'm almost certain he (amongst others) can confirm that in a private channel of our own with a few players from 2/3 of the 'top' allies this round can confirm I requested their help and berated them on numerous occasions. I'll post the logs if you want, but i expect Ogluk will talk to you come morning and straighten things out.

The extent of your contact with me before BG/Lude took you guys out:
[hidden:18ycqxxc]Session Start: Tue Nov 25 12:54:28 2008
Session Ident: ShadowLove
[12:54] Session Ident: ShadowLove (~Ghetto_Wa@92.12.44.29)
[12:54] <ShadowLove> Alci you there?
[13:04] <Alcibiades> yep
Session Close: Tue Nov 25 13:04:41 2008

Session Start: Tue Nov 25 13:05:44 2008
Session Ident: ShadowLove
[13:05] Session Ident: ShadowLove (~Ghetto_Wa@92.12.44.29)
[13:05] <ShadowLove> nah its kewl
[13:05] <ShadowLove> all sorted now
[13:05] <ShadowLove> thanx
[13:05] <Alcibiades> righto :) no problem
Session Close: Tue Nov 25 13:05:55 2008[/hidden:18ycqxxc]

Several of the IRC convos I had with Ogluk regarding resistance(s) and the subsequent aftermath...

The startup:
[hidden:18ycqxxc]Session Start: Sat Nov 22 19:09:13 2008
Session Ident: Ogluk
[19:09] <Alcibiades> allo allo
[19:09] <Ogluk> hallooooo!!!
[19:10] <Alcibiades> so when is the resistance going to get tired of hitting the #1 and come get us?
[19:10] <Ogluk> possibly sooner rather than later....
[19:10] <Alcibiades> big surprise there
[19:11] <Alcibiades> absolutely pathetic
[19:11] <Ogluk> meh
Session Close: Sat Nov 22 19:12:10 2008[/hidden:18ycqxxc]

The middle parts:
[hidden:18ycqxxc]Session Start: Sat Nov 22 19:30:15 2008
Session Ident: Ogluk
[19:30] <Alcibiades> you***39;re BYOB right?
[19:30] <Ogluk> yah
[19:30] <Alcibiades> i hope you aren***39;t teamed up with us
[19:31] <Ogluk> lol
[19:31] <Alcibiades> cuz we***39;re just about half dead from today :D
[19:31] <Ogluk> and we have 7 online...
[19:31] <Ogluk> lol
[19:32] <Alcibiades> 10 of us online
[19:32] <Ogluk> we***39;re doomed to failure if we do send together lol
[19:35] <Alcibiades> aye
[19:35] <Alcibiades> we really are
[19:35] <Alcibiades> see?
[19:35] <Alcibiades> exactly why this is a ****ing pointless waste of my time
[19:35] <Ogluk> well, yer...
[19:35] <Ogluk> Martin***39;s planning is *****
[19:35] <Ogluk> we cant take 4 targets between 4 allies....
[19:38] <Alcibiades> yeah
[19:38] <Alcibiades> he***39;s ****ing out of his mind
[19:38] <Alcibiades> and grumpy
[19:38] <Ogluk> lol
[19:39] <Alcibiades> he should go play in traffic it***39;ll make me feel better
[19:39] <Ogluk> haha
[19:39] <Alcibiades> he was threatening us with being killed and now he***39;s behaving like a spoilt child
[19:39] <Ogluk> only reason hes in there is because they were hitting DW and DW *****ed at them
[19:40] <Alcibiades> then he of *all* people should understand exactly how Desperados feels?
[19:40] <Alcibiades> what the **** is he playing at being a tard
Session Close: Sat Nov 22 19:42:02 2008[/hidden:18ycqxxc]
The followup:
[hidden:18ycqxxc]Session Start: Fri Dec 05 14:30:25 2008
Session Ident: Ogluk
[14:30] <Alci|HL> Died: 100,027,240 [£4,773,307,651,000] enemies dead. 32,393,073 [£1,423,606,739,500] friendlies dead.
[14:30] <Ogluk> :o
[14:30] <Ogluk> nice!
[14:30] <Alci|HL> so get off your lazy ass and kill Khaos :P
[14:31] <Ogluk> get someone to pull a proper resistance together and i will
[14:31] <Alci|HL> bollocks
[14:31] <Alci|HL> your boys have plenty of ability to bash one of two targets
[14:31] <Alci|HL> if you get any pressure on Khaos it***39;ll help
[14:31] <Alci|HL> i don***39;t care for a proper resistance yet
[14:31] <Alci|HL> but this is bullshit
[14:31] <Alci|HL> and you know it
Session Close: Fri Dec 05 14:35:59 2008[/hidden:18ycqxxc]

f0xx:

It was really funny seeing how Alci was whining about getting their ass wooped and about the "apathy" of BYOB and BG... I have no idea why he was thinking that it was our duty to help them.

I was whining about the nature of your hypocrisy in that you guys pushed and pushed for a resistance against Exitlude, and then suddenly did nothing while Khaos stood there running off with rank 1. (before you argue this point we've already established it in G-Pols)

I wouldn't have presumed you had an SNAP with Khaos other than the fact that your BG members hopped onto the bandwagon and sent with Khaos on us.... (BYOB also joined the party too, belatedly as I recall, but y'all were there) and that you didn't lift a finger to help us, or even explain why you weren't doing squat. That would've helped clear up that misunderstanding here I think. No you didn't owe us an explanation, but it would have convinced me that you weren't actively working together, or had an agreement of sorts with them. Yes I appreciate that 'free land is free land' but it seemed rather counter productive of the 'so called resistance' to let Khaos get that big, that fast. I'm not even sore about dying or expecting that you'd come to our rescue, that would have been a nice side benefit to you guys killing Khaos; but alas was not the focus of my anger. If you still can't see that, well, I guess I just can't help you. It wasn't your 'duty' to help us, but rather as you guys were seemingly focused on getting that first resistance off the ground, i was struck by the sudden lack of initiative on your part. That's all ;)

We had very very valid reasons not to attack khaos while they were hitting Desperados and it was not an snap, but oh well, he is still fresh, he will learn one day ;)

Enlighten me then, oh wise and noble leader? Your valid reasons were because you wouldn't be there? or is it something else?

Edit: I'm trying to clear up a few details here as no one ally seems to have the complete picture or fully understand the actions of the other allies. I don't claim to know the whole truth, and I'm prone to making the occasional exaggeration ;) particularly when I'm angered.... and in a few of my G-Pols posts I was attempting to 'goad' BG/BYOB into action. That would account for the SNAP accusation etc. I don't really care in the long run anymore how you guys feel about our actions this round; we played a round we enjoyed including a good many ups and downs but I did want to clear up a few things just before i 'left this laying where Jesus flang it'.

[Martin]

hahahaha, Nice quotes Alci ;)

I shant go play in traffic! I also don't remember organising anything, I just sat there being obstructive?

[Alcibiades]

Sent by: BuddhaGunners alliance HQ Sat 22nd Nov, 2008. 23:06:37 GMT Reply Forward
Subject:
Hello Leader/CO of Desperados,

I am contacting you on behalf of the Resistance aiming to remove Exitlude from the top spot. You are the highest ranked alliance not involved, if you wish to be involved then contact myself via alliance mail.

If you are not with us, then you are against us, and you're acres would be better used in the possession of people with the balls to fight the top.


Have a nice day,

BG Leadership.

That was the source of my anger against you for the most part, super lame mail. Just... wow.

As for organizing, I was almost certain you'd organized that rather poor multi target hit when there simply weren't enough troops to spread around; but it turns out it was Twigley who was the chief architect of the overly complicated resistance. I'd have to review the logs more carefully but there was an awful lot of pissing about and pointless arguing (from all participants). I"m not entirely sure it wasn't two different attacks but meh. I'm sorry if I got you confused in that convo. My apologies on that score....

[f0xx]

First - We have already discussed this mail which you seem to love so much and you know it was not me who sent it, so it is not really the BG leadership who sent it even though it is signed like that. That is just not my style.

I also have this:


[21:45:25] <f0xx> I don't mind you not taking part
[21:45:36] <f0xx> but attacking us why we are fighting bigger ally...
[21:46:06] <Alcibiades> i know and understand that completely
[21:46:10] <Alcibiades> hell i even said that we wouldn't attack you
[21:46:15] <Alcibiades> and i *thought* my people understood
[21:46:45] <Alcibiades> anyways
[21:46:52] <Alcibiades> one guy is afk on the barcodes attack
[21:47:02] <Alcibiades> so you can either continue your good work on Exitlude
[21:47:06] <Alcibiades> or bash us to no purpose :)
[21:55:17] <Alcibiades> lol
[21:55:20] <Alcibiades> going for the 'bash us' option
[21:55:23] <Alcibiades> poorly chosen
[21:55:39] <Alcibiades> i'd say they've learned to listen to me
[21:55:56] <Alcibiades> or if they haven't then 'next time' it would be an open hunting season
[21:56:16] <f0xx> [21:55:20] <Alcibiades> going for the 'bash us' option <--- ofc not, what do you think we are, some hartless bashers? :P
[21:56:21] <f0xx> was just giving a warning shot
.
.
[21:59:36] <f0xx> if you;re ally is willing to take part though
[21:59:40] <f0xx> you're welcome :)
[21:59:53] <f0xx> I don't want it to look like we are forcing you to


This is part of the conversation after some of your guys decided to hit the barcodes, an alliance who was taking part in the resistance against exitlude, which resulted in BG massing Desperados, which resulted in Desperados joining the resistance. Now it might look like we forced Desp to take part, but this attack was in response to Desp hitting one of our allies and if we wanted the resistance to continue we were bound to attack. We attacked because we wanted Desp to recall from the Barcodes, not because we wanted to force Desperados to take part in the resistance. After your guys recalled from barcodes we recalled from you, even though there was absolutely no defence on any of our targets.

And second - you got some things messed up, the resistance you are talking about was against Exitlude so I dunno how Twigley was the one organising it :P

[Enrico]

Hmm still not sure what good Barcodes really did to that famed resistance. Only thing I know is that that resistance had been threading water for at least 24 hours going nowhere, so it wasn't like we joined a surefire solution.

But all that still don't explain why you thought it necessary to nap with lude to start a war with us :P

Not that I mind the war, as long as you fight it yourself, and Lude stay away! :twisted:

[Ogluk]

Worst Moment of Round: Watching BG and Exitnuub team up like pussies on Desp..

aww so when they did it to BYOB... :(

*feels unloved by Ahead :(*

:P

still giggle to myself that it took the pair of them to kill us off
would have been nice if just one of them had tried....
but i guess no honour left in war these days.....

[Cheese]

If I decide I wish to lose land it's my choice. I want to portal on Eff for the first time saying valuation is all I've ever gone for. I had my chance to portal on value and decided not to by not just sitting on seeds for a week. And to see phantom lose rank 1 is a highlight of my round. Nobody wants to see a n00b take rank 1.

[Twigley]

First of all let's not forget it took 3+ alliances at all times (After it failed epicly) to take down an alliance with just thugs and pom who where so inactive.


Worst Alliance: Snip. Exitnuub for lying, making up stories and other general "verbal epic fails". Snip.

Worst Moment of Round: Watching BG and Exitnuub team up like pussies on Desp..


A) Where did we lie?
B) Desperados had no complaints about massing BYOB with us and felt the need to jump on the "Let's rape Exitlude now they are rank 5" bandwagon with the rest of you. It's called revenge and reaping what you sow.
C) Oh i just read who wrote this - Ahead - Rofl !

[Martin]

Sent by: BuddhaGunners alliance HQ Sat 22nd Nov, 2008. 23:06:37 GMT Reply Forward
Subject:
Hello Leader/CO of Desperados,

I am contacting you on behalf of the Resistance aiming to remove Exitlude from the top spot. You are the highest ranked alliance not involved, if you wish to be involved then contact myself via alliance mail.

If you are not with us, then you are against us, and you're acres would be better used in the possession of people with the balls to fight the top.


Have a nice day,

BG Leadership.

That was the source of my anger against you for the most part, super lame mail. Just... wow.

As for organizing, I was almost certain you'd organized that rather poor multi target hit when there simply weren't enough troops to spread around; but it turns out it was Twigley who was the chief architect of the overly complicated resistance. I'd have to review the logs more carefully but there was an awful lot of pissing about and pointless arguing (from all participants). I"m not entirely sure it wasn't two different attacks but meh. I'm sorry if I got you confused in that convo. My apologies on that score....


Mate, you will never upset me by what you say so no apologies necessary, but after that if you recall we did have a conversation, in my mind clearing it up about me being a d*ck in the message?? It seems a bit unfair that you still bring up that message after it had been discussed, as you know that was me individually, not BG as an alliance.


:2gunfire:

[Ogluk]

BYOBFor being useless in getting a resistance on Khaos running.

i was being asked to organise a resistance during the busiest weekend of my uni term...
had reports and papers due in all the following week and had tons of other work to do aswell

real life and my education > bushtarion

oh and the fact that we have been consistently inactive with up to 5 players missing and unable to get online at a time
with holidays, work trips etc. taking priority over bush

but hey think what you like....

[Wacky]

Summary:
We (Desperados) played how we wanted, deal with it. The round is almost over, shutup.

[Ahead]

Firstly, I didn't forget about it Ogluk, but tbh you were 2nd or 3rd (and close to 2nd) when they hit iirc, whereas Desp were just 4th.. below both of them. But we can add their teaming up on BYOB as well as Desp to the "Exitnuub pussy rating" ;) :P


First of all let's not forget it took 3+ alliances at all times (After it failed epicly) to take down an alliance with just thugs and pom who where so inactive.


Worst Alliance: Snip. Exitnuub for lying, making up stories and other general "verbal epic fails". Snip.

Worst Moment of Round: Watching BG and Exitnuub team up like pussies on Desp..


A) Where did we lie?
B) Desperados had no complaints about massing BYOB with us and felt the need to jump on the "Let's rape Exitlude now they are rank 5" bandwagon with the rest of you. It's called revenge and reaping what you sow.
C) Oh i just read who wrote this - Ahead - Rofl !

Ha! So glad my post caused some controversy and one of the people I expected to reply did.. excellent :)

Well you've made an "EPIC verbal FAIL" in your post there too :P Omitting things. Firstly, you were contactable and ALWAYS had at least 5/6 people online at a time with another 8-10 being contactable; being that contactable and active counts as active, so don't try and big-up your alliance by claiming you were inactive and only had like 2 people online when the resistances came, cos that's BS. Epic fail #1!

Maybe it did take 3 alliances to take you down, but seeing as you were (quote) "ha 5 times bigger than rank 2" or whatever.. 3 alliances taking down one that's bigger than their total combined score seems pretty damn good to me :) Epic fail #2!
(the two above paragraphs can answer A)

B) I think Desperados merely sent for land after BYOB had already lost a lot.. common sense tbh. And Desp were one of the alliances in the resistance hit when we crippled you, I would know I organised it, and I can say that they were definitely involved, so don't start accusing them of only starting to hit you when you were rank 5. (notice how the epic fails keep mounting up?! :P) Also I don't understand the statement "Let's rape Exitlude now they are rank 5".. we raped you when you were rank 1, and kept raping you until you were rank 7 or so, as a resistance should. A decent resistance shouldn't stop until the ally you're resisting against is no longer a threat. That's what we did..

C) Me writing the post makes no difference at all, notice how I wrote it from a generally unbiased perspective, as I wasn't even in KHaoS for the whole round. The fact that you have to pick out me being the author of the post just shows how you're nit-picking for arguments that don't exist :) I have no bad histories or anything with any of the Exitnuub members, so me writing the post makes no difference. Ty :)

[Twigley]

I picked you out as your always talking the same rubbish Ahead.
Join in on issues that you have only been told about.
The people who understand what has happened this round in Khaos are the "officers" who are the only ones not talking BS.

A) We where not that strong it's called making yourself look strong by saying that you are X times bigger. You wouldnt know how to run an alliance.

B) I was talking about Desp hitting us after we lost rank 1, not you.

C) Im correcting your BS claims which never existed.



Also please show me where Exitlude have complained about being massed / bashed etc this round?
We havn't.
Unlike most.
Guess why?

We are NOT pussys - it's a war game in a fun mini round 5 min tick world and we understand this.



Lude not staying out of our war with BG at the end Just let the better ally take third, not like your position is in any danger! You are all ready the best of the losers. :roll:

It was never yours and BG's war.
It was my idea for both allies to declare you where just too small when we did it at the end of a tick.

Please ask MattM or whoever i mailed IRC logs to in your alliance for information.

Here is yet again another case of "[h:194ups8m]I only see things how other people tell me but don***39;t understand the real reasons behind them[/h:194ups8m]".

MattM said sorry, i think you should.

[Ahead]

I picked you out as your always talking the same rubbish Ahead.
Join in on issues that you have only been told about.
The people who understand what has happened this round in Khaos are the "officers" who are the only ones not talking BS.

A) We where not that strong it's called making yourself look strong by saying that you are X times bigger. You wouldnt know how to run an alliance.

B) I was talking about Desp hitting us after we lost rank 1, not you.

C) Im correcting your BS claims which never existed.



Also please show me where Exitlude have complained about being massed / bashed etc this round?
We havn't.
Unlike most.
Guess why?

We are NOT pussys - it's a war game in a fun mini round 5 min tick world and we understand this.

I know basically as much as the officers in KHaoS from after I joined. I also organised most of the last few resistances on you, so I also know what happened there.

A) Really? Seeing as none of you had anybody in range when I joined KHaoS, you must have been at least 3 times bigger than rank 2 so even if you were exaggerating, you weren't exaggerating that much. It was close in terms of staff in the 3 resistance alliances and Exit. And you're right clearly I don't know how to run an alliance, even though I have done so in the past.

B) What does that have to do with anything though? Desp were hitting you when you were rank 1 and rank 5, same as all the other resistance allies?

Saying that attacking an alliance ranked below you with another alliance just because they did it to you is basically complaining about being bashed. You may not say it in the traditional nooby sense as in "omg i have so much inc, bashes ftl", but the way you and people in your alliance keep bringing up "how many alliances it took to take us down", and "you reap what you sow, we're bashing people cos they did it to us! zomg" shows that you are really bothered about it. Basic psychology..

[Twigley]

B) What does that have to do with anything though? Desp were hitting you when you were rank 1 and rank 5, same as all the other resistance allies?

Saying that attacking an alliance ranked below you with another alliance just because they did it to you is basically complaining about being bashed. You may not say it in the traditional nooby sense as in "omg i have so much inc, bashes ftl", but the way you and people in your alliance keep bringing up "how many alliances it took to take us down", and "you reap what you sow, we're bashing people cos they did it to us! zomg" shows that you are really bothered about it. Basic psychology..

They never really hit us when we where rank 1.
Your misinformed, again.

Tis a good job i did Psychology.
Im not complaining Desp hit us with the rest AFTER we got took off rank 1.
I clearly said we where getting revenge. There is a BIG BIG difference.
Huge infact.

[Alcibiades]

Thanks for the vote and the argument for our side Ahead but save your energy, and time. This discussion ain't worth fighting anymore ;) We know how we played and how we feel about it and I've explained it to the best of my ability and temper and there's no sense in going further. Next round is coming anyway, and revenge is a dish best eaten cold. :evil:

[Wacky]

Next round is coming anyway, and revenge is a dish best eaten cold. :evil:

*hands Alci his E-penis.* You may borrow this if you like, it may come in handy for all these e-penis type battles.

[MattM]

*snip*

Lude not staying out of our war with BG at the end Just let the better ally take third, not like your position is in any danger! You are all ready the best of the losers. :roll:

It was never yours and BG's war.
It was my idea for both allies to declare you where just too small when we did it at the end of a tick.

Please ask MattM or whoever i mailed IRC logs to in your alliance for information.

Here is yet again another case of "[h:c26pa6e9]I only see things how other people tell me but don***39;t understand the real reasons behind them[/h:c26pa6e9]".

MattM said sorry, i think you should.

I only said sorry about having a go at you in #bushtarion about bashing us whilst we're at war with BG. Also, I understand that you want to declare war on us, fair enough. It doesn't make all this SNAP nonsense with BG any more of a legitimate argument, given that they were in the resistance against you too ("oh, they stopped once we weren't rank 1"... yeah, whatever, cut the crap). What you're doing is try to legitimize a SNAP bash atm; don't get my wrong this has happened for rounds, part of the game etc. etc. Don't try to pass yourself off as completely innocent though.

[Ahead]

B) What does that have to do with anything though? Desp were hitting you when you were rank 1 and rank 5, same as all the other resistance allies?

Saying that attacking an alliance ranked below you with another alliance just because they did it to you is basically complaining about being bashed. You may not say it in the traditional nooby sense as in "omg i have so much inc, bashes ftl", but the way you and people in your alliance keep bringing up "how many alliances it took to take us down", and "you reap what you sow, we're bashing people cos they did it to us! zomg" shows that you are really bothered about it. Basic psychology..

They never really hit us when we where rank 1.
Your misinformed, again.

Nope, nope. I must tell you that YOU are in fact misinformed. Having organised a few resistances prior to, and the resistance which gave the big BR that we won - the turning point of the round; I can 100% definitely tell you that Desp were in the channel and they sent at you. Were you rank 1 when this occured? Yes. Desp sent on 90% of the resistance hits I organised / took part in. (I've already admitted that I know very little on attacks previous to this so I have no idea whether they sent or not but this still counts as them attacking you!)

Desp even took a more active part in organising than BYOB and BG did on the last hits which crippled you!

Tis a good job i did Psychology.
Im not complaining Desp hit us with the rest AFTER we got took off rank 1.
I clearly said we where getting revenge. There is a BIG BIG difference.
Huge infact.

Getting revenge for something clearly shows that you are bitter about it; thus you were annoyed about them hitting you with other alliances otherwise you wouldn't have bothered tarnishing the Exitlude name by snapping rank 3 and hitting rank 4 with them. Getting revenge for something and keep bringing it up and arguing your case is merely a more subtle form of complaining. True you didn't complain much at the time you were hit, but as I just said... actions speak louder than words :)

And if that's incorrect then the bottom line is: your alliance wasn't good enough at attacking to take down rank 4 on it's own. I'm not denying you have some decent players but with your best player in sleep and several others more concerned about preventing somebody from coming rank 1 than doing anything for their alliance, it looks like Exitlude has fallen to tatters. -> Started well; may as well have not finished.


Edit: Just for the records, I felt that Desp had a good, solid round. Defence was tight when khaos started hitting them, and they got me a couple of times :P Good round Desp! You played a better round than Exitnuub and BG.

[Elderveld]

Revenge is not a way to show that we were *****ing about we got bashed, we knew it would of happend and we took it brave, put up a verry hard fight whit all the noob incomings. And we never *****ed!

We just want to kill those who killed us. When we begun the wars, BYOB AND DESP were both above us in value. After a week of random attacks on byob, we just simply outgrow them, then we decided to do it properly and organise it for once, and they fall in one nite (wtfomgeasy?) anyway we did not know it went that easy and we wanted to kill desp aswell, BEFORE we killed byob. So we cant help it that both Desp/byob were to inactive or cba to play. And now *****ing noobing and w/e about us killing them. TAKE IT!


Also who ever claimed WE SHOULD OF WIN, because we rock (ofc we do), but because of bad leadership and bad deciscions about rout setup and stuff. Go hunt a kangaroo or sumthing.
We played for fun! and picked a F-U-N ( can u all read that now?) route setup.

[dafe]

Edit: Just for the records, I felt that Desp had a good, solid round. Defence was tight when khaos started hitting them, and they got me a couple of times :P Good round Desp! You played a better round than Exitnuub and BG.

my best moment of the round was probably pwning your td's (and other robos you sent) on defending myself, thnx for that moment :)

[lightseeker]

I was gonna keep quiet until I saw this pile of garbage post.


After a week of random attacks on byob, we just simply outgrow them.


Just to point out this was a week of fairly organised attacks from Exitlude and BG's plus a few randoms from KHaoS, in which time we we're saving seeds.


then we decided to do it properly and organise it for once, and they fall in one nite (wtfomgeasy?) anyway we did not know it went that easy


So after a week of incoming from the lower guys in KHaoS trying to land on 3 or 4 of our bigger members, and you and BG's on our small inactive players, we had about 13/14 players who would have all had to be online to fight against both you and BG when you decided to "do it properly".


Also who ever claimed WE SHOULD OF WIN, because we rock (ofc we do), but because of bad leadership and bad deciscions about rout setup and stuff. Go hunt a kangaroo or sumthing.
We played for fun! and picked a F-U-N ( can u all read that now?) route setup.


OK so you were playing for F-U-N.
You had 20 of the most active players at round start and were miles ahead after the first week because of your choice of route (stupidly quick tech, Low ETA's), from an outside perspective this seems like a FTW ally but anywho. You stayed on bad attacks and recalled from attacks that would have killed a lot lot more than you would have lost. This would have killed off the allies which ended up resisting you. Everyone knows you had the chance to win but because of some bad moves you screwed yourselves over and then blamed the bad route setup for everything.


That's my view on the things that happened in BYOB.

You can put polish your own s**t any way you like.

[f0xx]

I was gonna keep quiet until I saw this pile of garbage post.


After a week of random attacks on byob, we just simply outgrow them.


Just to point out this was a week of fairly organised attacks from Exitlude and BG's plus a few randoms from KHaoS, in which time we we're saving seeds.

Fairly organised? Oh LoL. Your criteria for a "farily" organised attack must be really really REALLY low.



then we decided to do it properly and organise it for once, and they fall in one nite (wtfomgeasy?) anyway we did not know it went that easy


So after a week of incoming from the lower guys in KHaoS trying to land on 3 or 4 of our bigger members, and you and BG's on our small inactive players, we had about 13/14 players who would have all had to be online to fight against both you and BG when you decided to "do it properly".


Look mate, if you think that 1/2 players who randomly send at you is "an organised" attack, then you need to reconsider ;)

BYOB died at the first properly organised and well spread attack. I dunno the reasons, but no defenses were sent, players weren't getting online.

[lightseeker]

Fairly organised? Oh LoL. Your criteria for a "farily" organised attack must be really really REALLY low.


Fairly organised, ie you sent on same tick en masse. Yes not a properly organised attack but still required some form of organisation.
It was more or less the same thing that ended up killing us when you say you planned it properly.


Look mate, if you think that 1/2 players who randomly send at you is "an organised" attack, then you need to reconsider ;)

BYOB died at the first properly organised and well spread attack. I dunno the reasons, but no defenses were sent, players weren't getting online.

See above.
Yeah pretty much as you said players not coming online and getting obliterated and then, as any ally that gets killed, more people start to attack and less people defend.

[Elderveld]

Fairly organised? Oh LoL. Your criteria for a "farily" organised attack must be really really REALLY low.


Fairly organised, ie you sent on same tick en masse. Yes not a properly organised attack but still required some form of organisation.
It was more or less the same thing that ended up killing us when you say you planned it properly.



How the hell do you guy's attack in byob? are u all solo'rs who happen to be in a group of 20 people that wont play together and sometimes send def?

Dont know about u, But Exitlude was a team. any form of attacks we send at you was like:

10.00 - Person A. Hey im sending an attack at id xxxx, feel free to follow
10.02 - Person B. Sure ill send next tick
10.03 - Person C. mind if i send some leths along??? im just for the kills.

Somewat like that, at friday, it was the first time our troops were grounded and everyone was orderd to hit id xxxx whit person A/B/C/D and person E/F/G take id xxx
bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla....

[Nitrous]

OK so you were playing for F-U-N.
You had 20 of the most active players at round start and were miles ahead after the first week because of your choice of route (stupidly quick tech, Low ETA's), from an outside perspective this seems like a FTW ally but anywho.

20 most active players eh? Got anything to prove that? No? Thought not. Please, please, *please*, do not make assumptions.

Our original plan was to have low eta units so we could rush whoever was rank 1 at the time and with 5 mintue ticks, it would be frustrating - for them :P We all said that we were going to play for fun.


Everyone knows you had the chance to win but because of some bad moves you screwed yourselves over and then blamed the bad route setup for everything.


I agree with the chance to win. But for "the bad moves" we made - recalling off of attacks that were either faked/defended poorly and then staying on attacks that were defended well against. [h:3ua735kt]EVERYONE [/h:3ua735kt] makes those mistakes!! We just may have had it happen to us more than once and was noticed more because we were rank 1 at the time.:P Can you also explain any other "bad moves" we made which screwed ourselves over? And don't say our route set-up. We were playing for F-U-N ( Elda ;) ). It was a blast whilst it lasted, if we were playing ftw, then it would have been a bad decision. So like I said, what other "bad moves"?

Also, quote anyone from *my* alliance blaming our bad route set-up.

We lost the round because of a two mains reasons - resistance organisers were highly motivated, persistent and dam annoying (Kudos to organisers <3) but our inactivity was another reason we lost the round.

[Ogluk]

to: Elderveld (still hate you btw :P )
oh we attack like that aswell, problem always was, there was never more than half a dozen people online at one time EVER except for the rare occasions we decided to get more than that online

BYOB was always gunna be laid back (originally also a warm up for a more serious round in the new age, but plans changed as i realised i cba with ftw play ever again) so i never found the need to prank/txt people on all the time

Worst Alliance: BYOB for doing what their group always does...nothing.
.....
so right, first time i lead and we're being accused of doing what another group always does.......

yes alot of my players have played together before, but that helped us have the friendly fun atmosphere which i was aiming for when i formed to god damn thing, after switching from the original plan after a fair few people didnt show up....


oh and yes Lude and BGs were smaller when they first declared the war, then if i recall BGs withdrew their war declaration after we did some damage to them :P (yes with help from barcodes but hey, u gunna play 2 against 1, we thought we'd try and even it out for a while) and then on friday the giggles really began!!!! 4 of us hit Lude causing them to withdraw their war declaration (yes i hadnt declared back at them, more out of the fact it had petered out into bugger all for almost a week) and then them and BGs finished us off (they were both bigger than us at this point so no shock they won really), it had been a long time coming and i had been shocked we'd lasted aslong as we had done, but with christmas fast approaching real life and family stuff was rapidly filling up more time, so our already low activity was dropping anyway

BYOB! Bring your own Bashes! :P

[f0xx]

then if i recall BGs withdrew their war declaration after we did some damage to them :P (yes with help from barcodes but hey, u gunna play 2 against 1, we thought we'd try and even it out for a while)

Yes, I withrew it to scare the noobs away and hey, it worked. In the meantime we also killed Noobs, got us fat and happy and then re-declared on you to finish the work.

[Khris]

meh... *deleted*

[Excons]

Ah well . **** happens doesnt it . we dont really care lol . just do it for ***** and giggles in between the slap and tickle. Either way byob had to take on 3 to take us out. quiet hellarious seeing as number one spot was khaos, everyone decides oh lets try and declare war on byob cus there in second spot haha. but as og said , i myself a pisshead and currently am pissed . oh btw merry ****ing christmas from australia. we had to much of a life to get on so often that basically this was just a warmup for next round. **** happens , its all fun just enjoy. and dont cry , back next round for some more pissup adventures inbetween the slap and tickle :D

[Excons]

ps add to that if you see a hot blonde about 5'8 tell her ill be back to show her what she missed the first time.

[lightseeker]

How the hell do you guy's attack in byob? are u all solo'rs who happen to be in a group of 20 people that wont play together and sometimes send def?

Dont know about u, But Exitlude was a team. any form of attacks we send at you was like:

10.00 - Person A. Hey im sending an attack at id xxxx, feel free to follow
10.02 - Person B. Sure ill send next tick
10.03 - Person C. mind if i send some leths along??? im just for the kills.

Somewat like that, at friday, it was the first time our troops were grounded and everyone was orderd to hit id xxxx whit person A/B/C/D and person E/F/G take id xxx
bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla....

Erm OK. I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to get at but I'm thinking it's some sort of dig at me suggesting it was organised so I will clarify.

I said organised. What you just posted is form of organisation, at its most basic.
When you and BG's attacked over that week, you were all sending on the same ETA with numbers 10+ with both of you having a war declaration. That is "fairly" organised.
When you and BG's killed us with masses of mobs and fakes, you called it "doing it properly".


20 most active players eh? Got anything to prove that? No? Thought not. Please, please, *please*, do not make assumptions.


My original quote does say 20 of the most active players, ie 20 of the (for example) 50 most active players. Please, Please, *please* understand me better when I write unclear comments :P

But for "the bad moves" we made - recalling off of attacks that were either faked/defended poorly and then staying on attacks that were defended well against. EVERYONE makes those mistakes!! We just may have had it happen to us more than once and was noticed more because we were rank 1 at the time

Fair point I may be exaggerating it a bit because you were rank 1 but it did seem to happen an awful lot and if someone was organising these hits they were making a lot of mistakes.


Can you also explain any other "bad moves" we made which screwed ourselves over? And don't say our route set-up. We were playing for F-U-N ( Elda ;) ). It was a blast whilst it lasted, if we were playing ftw, then it would have been a bad decision. So like I said, what other "bad moves"?

Well there was "the mistake" which one of your guys mentioned that led to your allies downfall which I cant remember now but it was something about when the resistance started hitting. May just have been inactivity like you said.

The other "bad moves" were, as I said before, you guys not killing off the other allies when you had the chances, either by recalling good attacks and staying on bad ones.

Also, quote anyone from *my* alliance blaming our bad route set-up.

No-one has specifically said "We lost because we had a bad route setup." I have seen "How were we supposed to survive with 17 thugs" or things similar.

All in all it was yours to throw away and you did.

[Garrett]

so glad i didn't participate in this round.

[f0xx]

How the hell do you guy's attack in byob? are u all solo'rs who happen to be in a group of 20 people that wont play together and sometimes send def?

Dont know about u, But Exitlude was a team. any form of attacks we send at you was like:

10.00 - Person A. Hey im sending an attack at id xxxx, feel free to follow
10.02 - Person B. Sure ill send next tick
10.03 - Person C. mind if i send some leths along??? im just for the kills.

Somewat like that, at friday, it was the first time our troops were grounded and everyone was orderd to hit id xxxx whit person A/B/C/D and person E/F/G take id xxx
bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla....

Erm OK. I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to get at but I'm thinking it's some sort of dig at me suggesting it was organised so I will clarify.

I said organised. What you just posted is form of organisation, at its most basic.
When you and BG's attacked over that week, you were all sending on the same ETA with numbers 10+ with both of you having a war declaration. That is "fairly" organised.
When you and BG's killed us with masses of mobs and fakes, you called it "doing it properly".

You are somewhat missinformed. As ogluk said above (if you even bother to read what your leader posts), something like 4-5 hours after the first attacks we made on BYOB, I withdrew the war declaration to kill/scare other alliances.

Then after a week I put it back on and we came at you again. During that week, we didnt have war declared at your alliance and during that week not a single member of BG sent at BYOB, especially in organised manner.

So there you have it, your "facts" are not "facts" actually, but mere assumptions, which ofcourse, are untrue.

[lightseeker]

How the hell do you guy's attack in byob? are u all solo'rs who happen to be in a group of 20 people that wont play together and sometimes send def?

Dont know about u, But Exitlude was a team. any form of attacks we send at you was like:

10.00 - Person A. Hey im sending an attack at id xxxx, feel free to follow
10.02 - Person B. Sure ill send next tick
10.03 - Person C. mind if i send some leths along??? im just for the kills.

Somewat like that, at friday, it was the first time our troops were grounded and everyone was orderd to hit id xxxx whit person A/B/C/D and person E/F/G take id xxx
bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla....

Erm OK. I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to get at but I'm thinking it's some sort of dig at me suggesting it was organised so I will clarify.

I said organised. What you just posted is form of organisation, at its most basic.
When you and BG's attacked over that week, you were all sending on the same ETA with numbers 10+ with both of you having a war declaration. That is "fairly" organised.
When you and BG's killed us with masses of mobs and fakes, you called it "doing it properly".

You are somewhat missinformed. As ogluk said above (if you even bother to read what your leader posts), something like 4-5 hours after the first attacks we made on BYOB, I withdrew the war declaration to kill/scare other alliances.

Then after a week I put it back on and we came at you again. During that week, we didnt have war declared at your alliance and during that week not a single member of BG sent at BYOB, especially in organised manner.

So there you have it, your "facts" are not "facts" actually, but mere assumptions, which ofcourse, are untrue.

You had a declaration and sent mobs. Then you rescinded for a brief time while Exitlude's remained intact. You redeclared when you sent again with Exitlude. I don't believe you were rescinded for an entire week though and some of your members did send during the time you did not have a declaration. I may be confusing some of the incoming we got from KhaoS during this period with some of yours though.

The rest of the comments I believe to be true.

[Ogluk]

wasnt quite a whole week rescinded, was from sunday evening through to friday evening
during that time very little if any inc from you during that time

only annoying striker rushes from twigs and cheese and TLs from elder

[Elderveld]

rawr :P

[lightseeker]

Much fun was had either way.

Merry Everyone.

:x-mas:

[Nitrous]

20 most active players eh? Got anything to prove that? No? Thought not. Please, please, *please*, do not make assumptions.


Lies!

Because I wasn't even in top 50 activity at round start. :x-mas:

[Alcibiades]

Active also means contactable, and from what i know, you guys were capable of being contacted fairly easily. So while you may not have been refreshing 24/7 I believe that most players in the top few allies are contactable one way or the other. That is what constitutes the main portion of 'activity' in my mind these days.

[Nitrous]

Imo, active doesn't mean contactable. But thats a totally different discussion. <3

[f0xx]

Imo, active doesn't mean contactable. But thats a totally different discussion. <3

Yes indeed, as contactability is much more important that activity.

[Garrett]

every square is a rectangle. not every rectangle is a square.

[Iamsmart]

Since you put me on ignore i'll leave this here just so you can read it f0xx

Private Sent by: The Problem of Bulgarian Pride [5276] Wed 24th Dec, 2008. 18:47:46 GMT Reply Forward
Subject:
And the scorequeen makes portal, no need to thank me.
I trusted you.

............

What do you mean?

I didn't score queen?

Sad because the "typical n00b player" still managed to beat you? :)

[f0xx]

What is the point of posting this here? You are fully aware I don't care about score, the thing is, you care about score more than anything else.

PS. Funny how you say you beat me, when you exclude the fact that you owe your rank entirely to the alliances you have been in.

[MattM]

Well, finally the round is over; so who cares about these arguments any more?

Merry Christmas one and all, great round :)

[Iamsmart]

You are the one who put me on ignore sending me an insulting message.

What is wrong with caring about my score? I spent long hours in the alliance I joined, that wanted me, building up my account. Did I shy away from defending ever? No.

Just because I portalled doesn't make me a SQ.

Edit: And you owe your rank for the same reason, a moot point.

[Cyrus]

IF I COULD JUUUUST FIND A PAAAARKING SPAAAACE

[dafe]

so glad i didn't participate in this round.
cmon garrett you wouldve loved it in desperados doing the thing you're best at...annoy ppl ;) alci couldve used another comrade

[Garrett]

not with what work was doing to me. inactive the way to go.